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Originally Posted by spager View Post


The point being that wd media player is is Hdmi Only audio as well as optical Only. Hdmi video is constant no mater what audio you select whether it is hdmi, optical or stereo so what ever way, you will need to go into your wd media player settings to change the audio.The easiest way is to connect your hdmi to your avr and change the settings accordingly.
That being said since you are ordering cables it wouldn't hurt to have an optical around since they are fairly cheap and you will never know when you may need one.

Actually,  with optical I get 6.1 stereo, with HDM I think it was 4.0 or 5.0, no subwoofer.  BTW, I was doing this test for the OP Stealth3si, not for me.  I am done with it for now.

post #16322 of 18979
^^

Hdmi and optical will do 5.1 dobly and dts. Hdmi will also do Dobly Plus and Dobly True HD on the WDMP as hdmi has more bandwidth to handle these formats. I was responding to your reply to my post. Just trying to help as you were.

Cheers
post #16323 of 18979
Thanks for posting this. I was having problems getting airplay to work. I have a dlink 605. Disabling UPNP did the trick for me.
post #16324 of 18979
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Originally Posted by spager View Post

^^
 Hdmi will also do Dobly Plus and Dobly True HD on the WDMP as hdmi has more bandwidth to handle these formats. I was responding to your reply to my post. Just trying to help as you were.
Cheers

Ok, thanks!  I wasn't aware of that.  I will try that.

 

Many thanks.

post #16325 of 18979
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Surround mode selections are based on the signal received from the source. Games are generally in PCM 5.1 so there is no decoding of DD or DTS necessary nor any simulation to 5.1.

Thanks for the info smile.gif

Also I finally solved my firmware update issue. As i said before The 3312 didnt do a firmware update. It was stuck on "Authenticating....Please Wait". If anyone else have this problem this is how it worked for me.

-Connect the AMP directly to the modem (so you dont have router issues).
-Then go to the MENU and to firmware update.

now you have 2 options, you can check for updates and after it found an update it will ask you to update it. DONT use this option! Because of this option I got "Authenticating....Please Wait".
Instead go "Start Update" Now it will directly try to contact the denon server to update. If you have router issues like i had then after 2-5 minutes it will say "Connection Failed 25" If you connect it directly to the modem then after seeing about 2-5 minutes of "Authenticating please wait" it will download the new firmware.

If this still doesnt work then reset the microprossesor and network first (see first page how to do this).
post #16326 of 18979
I have a Denon 2112CI. I just bought a new Panasonic 55GT50 and am trying to figure out how to hook into my stereo system and not use the TV speakers for everyday viewing. Please help this lady!! Thanks!
post #16327 of 18979
Thread Starter 
The basic hookup will be to connect all of your source devices directly to the receiver with HDMI where available, and then run a single HDMI cable from the receiver to the TV for video output.

If you are referring to the "built in" audio of the TV, e.g. streaming apps, then you need a way to pipe back audio from the TV to the receiver. There are two options here: (1) is to use ARC (audio return channel) which allows the audio to pass back along the HDMI cable back to the receiver; (2) is to run an optical cable from the digital audio output of the TV to the optical input on the receiver.

You can read more about it here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread#user_E5

Let us know if you have any follow-up questions.
post #16328 of 18979
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

The basic hookup will be to connect all of your source devices directly to the receiver with HDMI where available, and then run a single HDMI cable from the receiver to the TV for video output.
If you are referring to the "built in" audio of the TV, e.g. streaming apps, then you need a way to pipe back audio from the TV to the receiver. There are two options here: (1) is to use ARC (audio return channel) which allows the audio to pass back along the HDMI cable back to the receiver; (2) is to run an optical cable from the digital audio output of the TV to the optical input on the receiver.
You can read more about it here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread#user_E5
Let us know if you have any follow-up questions.

Thanks, I'll check into it. Will let you know if I have more questions.
post #16329 of 18979
About a week ago, I found a great deal on an open box 1712 from a Best Buy a few hours from my home. Luckily, I have a family member in that area, so she picked it up for me and brought it down. Now I have realized that it was missing the Audyssey mic (which they confirmed WAS in the box over the phone) and they gave me the wrong remote control. I really would prefer not to spend $125+ on a new Harmony remote, and would rather somehow locate the correct RC-1156 that was supposed to be included with my purchase.

It seems like this is the same remote that was included with most of the XX12 models, so does anybody have any idea how to obtain one? I tried calling my local Best Buy locations (as well as the one who sold the unit) and they do not have any from demo units that I can switch out. If anybody has a spare lying in a drawer somewhere, I'll pay for your shipping and buy you a beer!
post #16330 of 18979
Thread Starter 
You might want to try calling Denon too. They might be nice and ship you a mic, since an open box unit from Best Buy has full warranty.

Also try going in to a Best Buy and asking around, they usually have a drawer with a bunch of remotes and mics and stuff in the back. It's worth noting that the current "eiffel tower" style mic is the same on Denons and Onkyos for several years, so in addition to the DM-A409 model that comes with your receiver you can use the ACM-1H that comes with Onkyos.

Also, Harmony remotes are not $125+. You can get a Harmony 600 for 50 bucks that will provide all the functionality of the fancy expensive Harmony's, and it will be far superior to the Denon remote as it will control all your other components and streamline your system with one-button "Activities". I know it feels "right" to get the original remotes, but a good universal is far superior (even if Denon remotes weren't pretty crappy to begin with, which they are). Trust me, you will not regret that purchase wink.gif
post #16331 of 18979
JD thank you! I have been going crazy for days wondering why Pandora was not working on my 2112CI and 2113CI. I finally decided to consult the masters here and there was the answer.
post #16332 of 18979
Yup ... I try to keep you owners informed when possible. smile.gif
post #16333 of 18979
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Originally Posted by Omegatron View Post

Thanks for the info smile.gif
Also I finally solved my firmware update issue. As i said before The 3312 didnt do a firmware update. It was stuck on "Authenticating....Please Wait". If anyone else have this problem this is how it worked for me.
-Connect the AMP directly to the modem (so you dont have router issues).
-Then go to the MENU and to firmware update.
now you have 2 options, you can check for updates and after it found an update it will ask you to update it. DONT use this option! Because of this option I got "Authenticating....Please Wait".
Instead go "Start Update" Now it will directly try to contact the denon server to update. If you have router issues like i had then after 2-5 minutes it will say "Connection Failed 25" If you connect it directly to the modem then after seeing about 2-5 minutes of "Authenticating please wait" it will download the new firmware.
If this still doesnt work then reset the microprossesor and network first (see first page how to do this).

Thanks for the tip. I'll add it to post #6.
post #16334 of 18979
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Originally Posted by flvinny521 View Post

About a week ago, I found a great deal on an open box 1712 from a Best Buy a few hours from my home. Luckily, I have a family member in that area, so she picked it up for me and brought it down. Now I have realized that it was missing the Audyssey mic (which they confirmed WAS in the box over the phone) and they gave me the wrong remote control. I really would prefer not to spend $125+ on a new Harmony remote, and would rather somehow locate the correct RC-1156 that was supposed to be included with my purchase.
It seems like this is the same remote that was included with most of the XX12 models, so does anybody have any idea how to obtain one? I tried calling my local Best Buy locations (as well as the one who sold the unit) and they do not have any from demo units that I can switch out. If anybody has a spare lying in a drawer somewhere, I'll pay for your shipping and buy you a beer!

You can likely obtain both the remote and mic from one of Denon's authorized parts distributors ....

http://usa.denon.com/US/Support/Pages/PartsDistributors.aspx
post #16335 of 18979
Anyone use a htpc with their Denon 2312? I would like to have the GUI overlay enabled but with video conversion on, it messes with the picture quality. I get this yellow fringing on text with video conversion on. With it disabled, text is crisp and clear but no GUI overlay frown.gif
post #16336 of 18979
Hi,

I have some problems understanding what crossover is and how to properly setup a sub.

My rig:
- AVR-1912
- Tannoy Revolution sub1001
- 1x Tannoy VC and 4x Tannoy Mercury V1

Her's the rear of the SUB:


I have connected it via LFE IN.
Questions:

1. What is crossover? EDIT: I have found the answer already. It's an overlapping frequency of the Sub and the rest of the speakers. Still need an answer to Q#3 regarding 120Hz because the overlapping range is wider. Why 120Hz is default?

2. If I have connected it via LFE, then I need to set crosover to LFE and don't change it. Right?

3. In my AVR-1912 crossover is set to 120Hz by default. Is that correct? Why should I change/not_change it?

Thanks!
Edited by bullka - 12/3/12 at 11:33pm
post #16337 of 18979

I would set the crossover on your subwoofer to its max setting and let the receiver handle the crossover for you sub. Some speakers, especially tiny satellite speakers, don't have a lot of low end bass so they roll off early. If Audyssey set the crossover at 120hz then leave it there, don't go lower. If you set the crossover lower to something like 80hz, your speakers may not be loud enough at 80-120hz so you could be missing some content there. Best to have the subwoofer handle that if possible.

post #16338 of 18979
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Originally Posted by bullka View Post

Hi,
I have some problems understanding what crossover is and how to properly setup a sub.
My rig:
- AVR-1912
- Tannoy Revolution sub1001
- 1x Tannoy VC and 4x Tannoy Mercury V1
Her's the rear of the SUB:
I have connected it via LFE IN.
Questions:
1. What is crossover? EDIT: I have found the answer already. It's an overlapping frequency of the Sub and the rest of the speakers. Still need an answer to Q#3 regarding 120Hz because the overlapping range is wider. Why 120Hz is default?
2. If I have connected it via LFE, then I need to set crosover to LFE and don't change it. Right?
3. In my AVR-1912 crossover is set to 120Hz by default. Is that correct? Why should I change/not_change it?
Thanks!

1. Not really. Crossover is the point at which the speaker's frequencies are "crossed over" or "passed over" to the sub. So then if you set the speaker crossover to 80Hz. The speaker plays 80Hz-20kHz and anything below 80Hz will go to the sub which is in most cases more capable of handling these lower frequencies especially as it has it's own dedicated amp.
2. On the sub, set the frequency to it's maximum setting. On the AVR leave the LPF for LFE set to 120Hz.
3. Not likely the crossover, rather the LPF for LFE is set to 120Hz which is different from the speaker crossovers. The LFE signal only goes up to 120Hz and is the .1 channel in DD/DTS 5.1/7.1 audio. It only passes to the sub. The factory default setting is 120Hz and should generally be left at that setting to allow the full signal to pass through the AVR and on to the sub.
post #16339 of 18979
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Originally Posted by Mrkazador View Post

Anyone use a htpc with their Denon 2312? I would like to have the GUI overlay enabled but with video conversion on, it messes with the picture quality. I get this yellow fringing on text with video conversion on. With it disabled, text is crisp and clear but no GUI overlay frown.gif

HTPC video cards can often be troublesome when connected to an AVR. You might try inserting an HDMI switch between the AVR and the HTPC, otherwise another option is using another brand of video card.

Although not really your issue, you may still find the below info helpful ....

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_L12
post #16340 of 18979
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

You might want to try calling Denon too. They might be nice and ship you a mic, since an open box unit from Best Buy has full warranty.
Also try going in to a Best Buy and asking around, they usually have a drawer with a bunch of remotes and mics and stuff in the back. It's worth noting that the current "eiffel tower" style mic is the same on Denons and Onkyos for several years, so in addition to the DM-A409 model that comes with your receiver you can use the ACM-1H that comes with Onkyos.
Also, Harmony remotes are not $125+. You can get a Harmony 600 for 50 bucks that will provide all the functionality of the fancy expensive Harmony's, and it will be far superior to the Denon remote as it will control all your other components and streamline your system with one-button "Activities". I know it feels "right" to get the original remotes, but a good universal is far superior (even if Denon remotes weren't pretty crappy to begin with, which they are). Trust me, you will not regret that purchase wink.gif

Thanks for the tip; I actually had called Denon first, and they are more than happy to sell me a new remote from their factories at a cost of $60.03. I certainly do not blame them for not volunteering to send me one for free. I will look into that Harmony remote as well, as I would much prefer to have a universal remote, if I can convince my wife... Will there be any issues with the Harmony remote in terms of Audyssey setup?

I'm not even all that concerned about the mic, as I can grab one online for $20 if all else fails.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

You can likely obtain both the remote and mic from one of Denon's authorized parts distributors ....
http://usa.denon.com/US/Support/Pages/PartsDistributors.aspx

Thanks for the link, I will try contacting them directly.
post #16341 of 18979
Thread Starter 
No issues with the Harmony. It can do everything the factory remote can do and more. Your wife shouldn't need any convincing, this will make her life SO much easier. Wife satisfaction is the primary benefit of a good universal wink.gif
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrkazador View Post

Anyone use a htpc with their Denon 2312? I would like to have the GUI overlay enabled but with video conversion on, it messes with the picture quality. I get this yellow fringing on text with video conversion on. With it disabled, text is crisp and clear but no GUI overlay frown.gif

HTPC video cards can often be troublesome when connected to an AVR. You might try inserting an HDMI switch between the AVR and the HTPC, otherwise another option is using another brand of video card.

Although not really your issue, you may still find the below info helpful ....

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_L12

JD - this sounds like the video degradation bug, not just a generic HTPC issue. I guess Denon never fixed it.

@ Mrkazador -- read through the "known issues" post at the beginning of this thread, there are a couple of links to posts by others who had this same issue with photos. Check the links and confirm that's the same issue you are having.
post #16343 of 18979
Out of the Denon receivers the AVR-2112ci seems like the best deal.
I bought Polk Monitor60s(2), Cs1 center, Psw505(12" sub), and Monitor30s(2).
I'd imagine the AVR-2112ci would be pretty decent don't you think?
I was even thinking of selling all my speakers for a profit on craigslist since i got them at a crazy good price. I'd keep the sub though.
newegg.com says the AVR-2112ci is discontinued. Is it or does newegg just not sell them anymore or the 2112 is just out dated?
Thanks for the help
BTW is there other AVR threads like this because I do like this and it will help me out making a decision.
Thanks again.
post #16344 of 18979
Thread Starter 
The xx12 models are last year's and are all discontinued, they have been replaced by the xx13 models (e.g. the 2112ci has been replaced by the 2113ci). The xx13 model owner's thread is here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1409431/the-official-denon-avr-xx13-model-owners-thread-faq

As with this thread, the first few posts contain a lot of good information including specific comparisons between models. Read the first few posts of this thread as well as the xx13 thread and you should have a good idea of the relevant features and differences.
post #16345 of 18979
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post
@ Mrkazador -- read through the "known issues" post at the beginning of this thread, there are a couple of links to posts by others who had this same issue with photos. Check the links and confirm that's the same issue you are having.

 

Yep, same exact issue as this post right here

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/7400_100#post_21406531

 

Here are some pictures

 

Video Convert OFF

1000

 

 

Video Convert ON (notice the blue and yellow around text)

1000

 

I tried messing with the various HDMI conversion settings on the receiver and it doesn't change anything. I'm actually using a laptop as a HTPC which has a i3 2330m (HD3000).


Edited by Mrkazador - 12/4/12 at 3:11pm
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Hi folks. Was looking to pick up the 2312ci and it's quickly disappearing. I was wondering about what folks though buying Manufacturers Refurbished and getting a SquareTrade Warranty to go with it? I can pick up a Refurb for $450. Thoughts??

Thanks.
post #16347 of 18979

$450 is a little expensive for a used 2312 I think... I bought my 2312 about 6 months ago for $500 brand new. Comes with a 3 year manufacturer warranty.

post #16348 of 18979
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Originally Posted by Mrkazador View Post

$450 is a little expensive for a used 2312 I think... I bought my 2312 about 6 months ago for $500 brand new. Comes with a 3 year manufacturer warranty.

Only new one I can find right now is on Amazon and it's $669. Any other place I find a good deal isn't shipping. mad.gif
post #16349 of 18979
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Originally Posted by dizzyrapper18 View Post

Out of the Denon receivers the AVR-2112ci seems like the best deal. I'd imagine the AVR-2112ci would be pretty decent don't you think? newegg.com says the AVR-2112ci is discontinued. Is it or does newegg just not sell them anymore or the 2112 is just out dated?

The 2012 models have been selling at closeout prices because as Batpig stated they have been replaced by 2013 models. I bought a 3312 for $750 which was a steal, considering how much receiver I got for that money. Also I later decided to upgrade the bedroom and picked up a 2112 for $450. I think it was from OneCall.com... would have preferred a 2312 but that model was $100 more.

I see there are still 1712's and 1912's still available. Others may show up as open box specials. If you really want to avoid paying 2013 prices, check Amazon often and grab one when they're available. I think someone here said they found an open box item at Best Buy for $200. Crazy. I can't imagine the 2013 models have so much more to offer that one would hold out given the prices.
post #16350 of 18979
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Originally Posted by softballkid4 View Post

Hi folks. Was looking to pick up the 2312ci and it's quickly disappearing. I was wondering about what folks though buying Manufacturers Refurbished and getting a SquareTrade Warranty to go with it? I can pick up a Refurb for $450. Thoughts??
Thanks.

Unless you can find one of the clearance prices (eg. Best Buy), this is a good price. Purchasing from Accessories4Less you woudl get a 1 year warranty and your credit card provider may add a 2nd year (Amex will do this for sure). Note also that you can purchase an extended warranty from the company that AC4L uses as well.
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