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post #16321 of 17928
12/1/12 at 3:09pm
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That being said since you are ordering cables it wouldn't hurt to have an optical around since they are fairly cheap and you will never know when you may need one.

And BTW you can run optical long distances without signal loss, and the price of even extremely long optical cables remain inexpensive since they're not metal.
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post #16322 of 17928
12/1/12 at 4:48pm
Hello. I just purchased a Denon 2312CI refurbished from Accessories4Less (purchased 11/15/2012). There is a problem with the central channel. The center channel is very low volume and has static.

Here's the troubleshooting I've already done:

I reset the microprocessor (holding down power and preset 2 and 3). I went through the set up wizard, then I checked the speakers with the speaker set up tones. The center is very low volume and has static.

I then swapped the center speaker for one of my fronts to verify the issue is not the speaker or the wire. The front, when plugged into the center position on the receiver is low volume and has static.

Based on this testing it appears there is an issue with the receiver. Please advise.

I opened a ticket with Denon and with Accessories4Less, but if any of you have ideas, I would love to hear them.
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post #16323 of 17928
12/1/12 at 4:58pm
Based on the troubleshooting you've already done, if the front panel display flashed while resetting the microprocessor, it does indeed sound like an issue with the AVR. Try doing a few more microprocessor resets.
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post #16324 of 17928
12/1/12 at 6:01pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Based on the troubleshooting you've already done, if the front panel display flashed while resetting the microprocessor, it does indeed sound like an issue with the AVR. Try doing a few more microprocessor resets.

Thanks for the advice. I tried three more times. No luck :-(
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post #16325 of 17928
12/2/12 at 9:07am
I have the 2112 and have been debating on ordering 2 of the Dayton SUB-1200s. How much trouble will I have equalizing 2 identical subs them being that the 2112 only has MultiEQ XT? Due to the room arrangement, I won't be able to have them in symmetrical and opposite locations. One would be in the front left corner of the room and the other in the back left corner, beside the main listening position.
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post #16326 of 17928
12/2/12 at 9:17am
Subwoofer Crawl

Ideally they should be equidistant from the main listening position, although regardless their combined effect will be summed and EQ'd still providing a better overall effect than a single sub. Make sure to do the sub crawl procedure for more ideal placement of each sub before running Audyssey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV3oLLMgS-M
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post #16327 of 17928
12/2/12 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by spager View Post

The point being that wd media player is is Hdmi Only audio as well as optical Only. Hdmi video is constant no mater what audio you select whether it is hdmi, optical or stereo so what ever way, you will need to go into your wd media player settings to change the audio.The easiest way is to connect your hdmi to your avr and change the settings accordingly.
That being said since you are ordering cables it wouldn't hurt to have an optical around since they are fairly cheap and you will never know when you may need one.


I had another thought. You could use your mini plug to component and mini plug red white on your WDMP and on another avr input hook up the component and red white rca and with one touch of the avr remote it will work in 2 ch stereo that will eliminated backing out of WDMP and changing the settings back and fourth. I am 99 % sure this will work as those components run constant with your Hdmi. This route you will have to leave your avr on as pass through is only Hdmi or hook your mini plugs directly to your Tv.

Just check your model no. (1712) and the avr does not support component out to Hdmi so hook up directly to your Tv.
Edited by spager - 12/2/12 at 1:19pm
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post #16328 of 17928
12/2/12 at 1:23pm
Hi.

I got 2 computers connected with HDMI on my 3312. Now 1 I use as a HTPC and the other for playing games.

What i found odd that when looking at "surround mode" in the menu you have different modes to pick. What i mean is, when i use my HTPC (using the HDMI input DVR) i can select as surround mode DTS or Dolby Pro Logic 2. But these surround modes are gone when i put the source on the amp on "Game 1" on the the computer i play games with I dont have these surround mode options any more. Instead i now have the "STANDARD" mode that i dont have on the HDMI input.

Is there any reason why there are different surround modes on different HDMI input channels?

thanks
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post #16329 of 17928
12/2/12 at 1:30pm
Surround mode selections are based on the signal received from the source. Games are generally in PCM 5.1 so there is no decoding of DD or DTS necessary nor any simulation to 5.1.
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post #16330 of 17928
12/2/12 at 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
that does not sound good... frown.gif unless jd or batpig can think of something i can't (which is entirely possible), it's time for a trip to the repair center... frown.gif
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Yup .. sounds like amp failure for sure. Check on Denon's website to see if there are any authorized repair shops in your local area.

Thanks for the feedback. I checked, and there is a repair center in the area - I just now have to figure out getting the time to take it in. For the time being, I had held onto my old Denon AVR-2802, so I put that back in the stack. It doesn't have HDMI, but I was able to run video directly to my TV and audio to the 2802, so I'm good for now. This is when having a decent programmable remote comes in handy.
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post #16331 of 17928
12/2/12 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by spager View Post


The point being that wd media player is is Hdmi Only audio as well as optical Only. Hdmi video is constant no mater what audio you select whether it is hdmi, optical or stereo so what ever way, you will need to go into your wd media player settings to change the audio.The easiest way is to connect your hdmi to your avr and change the settings accordingly.
That being said since you are ordering cables it wouldn't hurt to have an optical around since they are fairly cheap and you will never know when you may need one.

Actually,  with optical I get 6.1 stereo, with HDM I think it was 4.0 or 5.0, no subwoofer.  BTW, I was doing this test for the OP Stealth3si, not for me.  I am done with it for now.

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post #16332 of 17928
12/2/12 at 5:00pm
^^

Hdmi and optical will do 5.1 dobly and dts. Hdmi will also do Dobly Plus and Dobly True HD on the WDMP as hdmi has more bandwidth to handle these formats. I was responding to your reply to my post. Just trying to help as you were.

Cheers
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post #16333 of 17928
12/2/12 at 5:21pm
Thanks for posting this. I was having problems getting airplay to work. I have a dlink 605. Disabling UPNP did the trick for me.
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post #16334 of 17928
12/2/12 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by spager View Post

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 Hdmi will also do Dobly Plus and Dobly True HD on the WDMP as hdmi has more bandwidth to handle these formats. I was responding to your reply to my post. Just trying to help as you were.
Cheers

Ok, thanks!  I wasn't aware of that.  I will try that.

 

Many thanks.

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post #16335 of 17928
12/3/12 at 3:55am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Surround mode selections are based on the signal received from the source. Games are generally in PCM 5.1 so there is no decoding of DD or DTS necessary nor any simulation to 5.1.

Thanks for the info smile.gif

Also I finally solved my firmware update issue. As i said before The 3312 didnt do a firmware update. It was stuck on "Authenticating....Please Wait". If anyone else have this problem this is how it worked for me.

-Connect the AMP directly to the modem (so you dont have router issues).
-Then go to the MENU and to firmware update.

now you have 2 options, you can check for updates and after it found an update it will ask you to update it. DONT use this option! Because of this option I got "Authenticating....Please Wait".
Instead go "Start Update" Now it will directly try to contact the denon server to update. If you have router issues like i had then after 2-5 minutes it will say "Connection Failed 25" If you connect it directly to the modem then after seeing about 2-5 minutes of "Authenticating please wait" it will download the new firmware.

If this still doesnt work then reset the microprossesor and network first (see first page how to do this).
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post #16336 of 17928
12/3/12 at 9:31am
I have a Denon 2112CI. I just bought a new Panasonic 55GT50 and am trying to figure out how to hook into my stereo system and not use the TV speakers for everyday viewing. Please help this lady!! Thanks!
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post #16337 of 17928
12/3/12 at 9:35am
Thread Starter 
The basic hookup will be to connect all of your source devices directly to the receiver with HDMI where available, and then run a single HDMI cable from the receiver to the TV for video output.

If you are referring to the "built in" audio of the TV, e.g. streaming apps, then you need a way to pipe back audio from the TV to the receiver. There are two options here: (1) is to use ARC (audio return channel) which allows the audio to pass back along the HDMI cable back to the receiver; (2) is to run an optical cable from the digital audio output of the TV to the optical input on the receiver.

You can read more about it here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread#user_E5

Let us know if you have any follow-up questions.
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post #16338 of 17928
12/3/12 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

The basic hookup will be to connect all of your source devices directly to the receiver with HDMI where available, and then run a single HDMI cable from the receiver to the TV for video output.
If you are referring to the "built in" audio of the TV, e.g. streaming apps, then you need a way to pipe back audio from the TV to the receiver. There are two options here: (1) is to use ARC (audio return channel) which allows the audio to pass back along the HDMI cable back to the receiver; (2) is to run an optical cable from the digital audio output of the TV to the optical input on the receiver.
You can read more about it here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread#user_E5
Let us know if you have any follow-up questions.

Thanks, I'll check into it. Will let you know if I have more questions.
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post #16339 of 17928
12/3/12 at 2:58pm
About a week ago, I found a great deal on an open box 1712 from a Best Buy a few hours from my home. Luckily, I have a family member in that area, so she picked it up for me and brought it down. Now I have realized that it was missing the Audyssey mic (which they confirmed WAS in the box over the phone) and they gave me the wrong remote control. I really would prefer not to spend $125+ on a new Harmony remote, and would rather somehow locate the correct RC-1156 that was supposed to be included with my purchase.

It seems like this is the same remote that was included with most of the XX12 models, so does anybody have any idea how to obtain one? I tried calling my local Best Buy locations (as well as the one who sold the unit) and they do not have any from demo units that I can switch out. If anybody has a spare lying in a drawer somewhere, I'll pay for your shipping and buy you a beer!
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post #16340 of 17928
12/3/12 at 3:04pm
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You might want to try calling Denon too. They might be nice and ship you a mic, since an open box unit from Best Buy has full warranty.

Also try going in to a Best Buy and asking around, they usually have a drawer with a bunch of remotes and mics and stuff in the back. It's worth noting that the current "eiffel tower" style mic is the same on Denons and Onkyos for several years, so in addition to the DM-A409 model that comes with your receiver you can use the ACM-1H that comes with Onkyos.

Also, Harmony remotes are not $125+. You can get a Harmony 600 for 50 bucks that will provide all the functionality of the fancy expensive Harmony's, and it will be far superior to the Denon remote as it will control all your other components and streamline your system with one-button "Activities". I know it feels "right" to get the original remotes, but a good universal is far superior (even if Denon remotes weren't pretty crappy to begin with, which they are). Trust me, you will not regret that purchase wink.gif
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post #16341 of 17928
12/3/12 at 4:25pm
JD thank you! I have been going crazy for days wondering why Pandora was not working on my 2112CI and 2113CI. I finally decided to consult the masters here and there was the answer.
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post #16342 of 17928
12/3/12 at 4:35pm
Yup ... I try to keep you owners informed when possible. smile.gif
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post #16343 of 17928
12/3/12 at 4:43pm
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Originally Posted by Omegatron View Post

Thanks for the info smile.gif
Also I finally solved my firmware update issue. As i said before The 3312 didnt do a firmware update. It was stuck on "Authenticating....Please Wait". If anyone else have this problem this is how it worked for me.
-Connect the AMP directly to the modem (so you dont have router issues).
-Then go to the MENU and to firmware update.
now you have 2 options, you can check for updates and after it found an update it will ask you to update it. DONT use this option! Because of this option I got "Authenticating....Please Wait".
Instead go "Start Update" Now it will directly try to contact the denon server to update. If you have router issues like i had then after 2-5 minutes it will say "Connection Failed 25" If you connect it directly to the modem then after seeing about 2-5 minutes of "Authenticating please wait" it will download the new firmware.
If this still doesnt work then reset the microprossesor and network first (see first page how to do this).

Thanks for the tip. I'll add it to post #6.
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post #16344 of 17928
12/3/12 at 4:46pm
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Originally Posted by flvinny521 View Post

About a week ago, I found a great deal on an open box 1712 from a Best Buy a few hours from my home. Luckily, I have a family member in that area, so she picked it up for me and brought it down. Now I have realized that it was missing the Audyssey mic (which they confirmed WAS in the box over the phone) and they gave me the wrong remote control. I really would prefer not to spend $125+ on a new Harmony remote, and would rather somehow locate the correct RC-1156 that was supposed to be included with my purchase.
It seems like this is the same remote that was included with most of the XX12 models, so does anybody have any idea how to obtain one? I tried calling my local Best Buy locations (as well as the one who sold the unit) and they do not have any from demo units that I can switch out. If anybody has a spare lying in a drawer somewhere, I'll pay for your shipping and buy you a beer!

You can likely obtain both the remote and mic from one of Denon's authorized parts distributors ....

http://usa.denon.com/US/Support/Pages/PartsDistributors.aspx
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post #16345 of 17928
12/3/12 at 7:05pm
Anyone use a htpc with their Denon 2312? I would like to have the GUI overlay enabled but with video conversion on, it messes with the picture quality. I get this yellow fringing on text with video conversion on. With it disabled, text is crisp and clear but no GUI overlay frown.gif
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post #16346 of 17928
12/3/12 at 11:22pm
Hi,

I have some problems understanding what crossover is and how to properly setup a sub.

My rig:
- AVR-1912
- Tannoy Revolution sub1001
- 1x Tannoy VC and 4x Tannoy Mercury V1

Her's the rear of the SUB:


I have connected it via LFE IN.
Questions:

1. What is crossover? EDIT: I have found the answer already. It's an overlapping frequency of the Sub and the rest of the speakers. Still need an answer to Q#3 regarding 120Hz because the overlapping range is wider. Why 120Hz is default?

2. If I have connected it via LFE, then I need to set crosover to LFE and don't change it. Right?

3. In my AVR-1912 crossover is set to 120Hz by default. Is that correct? Why should I change/not_change it?

Thanks!
Edited by bullka - 12/3/12 at 11:33pm
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post #16347 of 17928
12/4/12 at 3:04am

I would set the crossover on your subwoofer to its max setting and let the receiver handle the crossover for you sub. Some speakers, especially tiny satellite speakers, don't have a lot of low end bass so they roll off early. If Audyssey set the crossover at 120hz then leave it there, don't go lower. If you set the crossover lower to something like 80hz, your speakers may not be loud enough at 80-120hz so you could be missing some content there. Best to have the subwoofer handle that if possible.

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post #16348 of 17928
12/4/12 at 3:21am
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Originally Posted by bullka View Post

Hi,
I have some problems understanding what crossover is and how to properly setup a sub.
My rig:
- AVR-1912
- Tannoy Revolution sub1001
- 1x Tannoy VC and 4x Tannoy Mercury V1
Her's the rear of the SUB:
I have connected it via LFE IN.
Questions:
1. What is crossover? EDIT: I have found the answer already. It's an overlapping frequency of the Sub and the rest of the speakers. Still need an answer to Q#3 regarding 120Hz because the overlapping range is wider. Why 120Hz is default?
2. If I have connected it via LFE, then I need to set crosover to LFE and don't change it. Right?
3. In my AVR-1912 crossover is set to 120Hz by default. Is that correct? Why should I change/not_change it?
Thanks!

1. Not really. Crossover is the point at which the speaker's frequencies are "crossed over" or "passed over" to the sub. So then if you set the speaker crossover to 80Hz. The speaker plays 80Hz-20kHz and anything below 80Hz will go to the sub which is in most cases more capable of handling these lower frequencies especially as it has it's own dedicated amp.
2. On the sub, set the frequency to it's maximum setting. On the AVR leave the LPF for LFE set to 120Hz.
3. Not likely the crossover, rather the LPF for LFE is set to 120Hz which is different from the speaker crossovers. The LFE signal only goes up to 120Hz and is the .1 channel in DD/DTS 5.1/7.1 audio. It only passes to the sub. The factory default setting is 120Hz and should generally be left at that setting to allow the full signal to pass through the AVR and on to the sub.
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post #16349 of 17928
12/4/12 at 3:25am
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Originally Posted by Mrkazador View Post

Anyone use a htpc with their Denon 2312? I would like to have the GUI overlay enabled but with video conversion on, it messes with the picture quality. I get this yellow fringing on text with video conversion on. With it disabled, text is crisp and clear but no GUI overlay frown.gif

HTPC video cards can often be troublesome when connected to an AVR. You might try inserting an HDMI switch between the AVR and the HTPC, otherwise another option is using another brand of video card.

Although not really your issue, you may still find the below info helpful ....

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_L12
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post #16350 of 17928
12/4/12 at 6:47am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

You might want to try calling Denon too. They might be nice and ship you a mic, since an open box unit from Best Buy has full warranty.
Also try going in to a Best Buy and asking around, they usually have a drawer with a bunch of remotes and mics and stuff in the back. It's worth noting that the current "eiffel tower" style mic is the same on Denons and Onkyos for several years, so in addition to the DM-A409 model that comes with your receiver you can use the ACM-1H that comes with Onkyos.
Also, Harmony remotes are not $125+. You can get a Harmony 600 for 50 bucks that will provide all the functionality of the fancy expensive Harmony's, and it will be far superior to the Denon remote as it will control all your other components and streamline your system with one-button "Activities". I know it feels "right" to get the original remotes, but a good universal is far superior (even if Denon remotes weren't pretty crappy to begin with, which they are). Trust me, you will not regret that purchase wink.gif

Thanks for the tip; I actually had called Denon first, and they are more than happy to sell me a new remote from their factories at a cost of $60.03. I certainly do not blame them for not volunteering to send me one for free. I will look into that Harmony remote as well, as I would much prefer to have a universal remote, if I can convince my wife... Will there be any issues with the Harmony remote in terms of Audyssey setup?

I'm not even all that concerned about the mic, as I can grab one online for $20 if all else fails.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

You can likely obtain both the remote and mic from one of Denon's authorized parts distributors ....
http://usa.denon.com/US/Support/Pages/PartsDistributors.aspx

Thanks for the link, I will try contacting them directly.
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