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post #16351 of 17928
12/4/12 at 8:51am
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No issues with the Harmony. It can do everything the factory remote can do and more. Your wife shouldn't need any convincing, this will make her life SO much easier. Wife satisfaction is the primary benefit of a good universal wink.gif
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post #16352 of 17928
12/4/12 at 8:53am
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Anyone use a htpc with their Denon 2312? I would like to have the GUI overlay enabled but with video conversion on, it messes with the picture quality. I get this yellow fringing on text with video conversion on. With it disabled, text is crisp and clear but no GUI overlay frown.gif

HTPC video cards can often be troublesome when connected to an AVR. You might try inserting an HDMI switch between the AVR and the HTPC, otherwise another option is using another brand of video card.

Although not really your issue, you may still find the below info helpful ....

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_L12

JD - this sounds like the video degradation bug, not just a generic HTPC issue. I guess Denon never fixed it.

@ Mrkazador -- read through the "known issues" post at the beginning of this thread, there are a couple of links to posts by others who had this same issue with photos. Check the links and confirm that's the same issue you are having.
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post #16353 of 17928
12/4/12 at 11:54am
Out of the Denon receivers the AVR-2112ci seems like the best deal.
I bought Polk Monitor60s(2), Cs1 center, Psw505(12" sub), and Monitor30s(2).
I'd imagine the AVR-2112ci would be pretty decent don't you think?
I was even thinking of selling all my speakers for a profit on craigslist since i got them at a crazy good price. I'd keep the sub though.
newegg.com says the AVR-2112ci is discontinued. Is it or does newegg just not sell them anymore or the 2112 is just out dated?
Thanks for the help
BTW is there other AVR threads like this because I do like this and it will help me out making a decision.
Thanks again.
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post #16354 of 17928
12/4/12 at 11:56am
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The xx12 models are last year's and are all discontinued, they have been replaced by the xx13 models (e.g. the 2112ci has been replaced by the 2113ci). The xx13 model owner's thread is here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1409431/the-official-denon-avr-xx13-model-owners-thread-faq

As with this thread, the first few posts contain a lot of good information including specific comparisons between models. Read the first few posts of this thread as well as the xx13 thread and you should have a good idea of the relevant features and differences.
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post #16355 of 17928
12/4/12 at 11:59am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post
@ Mrkazador -- read through the "known issues" post at the beginning of this thread, there are a couple of links to posts by others who had this same issue with photos. Check the links and confirm that's the same issue you are having.

 

Yep, same exact issue as this post right here

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/7400_100#post_21406531

 

Here are some pictures

 

Video Convert OFF

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Video Convert ON (notice the blue and yellow around text)

1000

 

I tried messing with the various HDMI conversion settings on the receiver and it doesn't change anything. I'm actually using a laptop as a HTPC which has a i3 2330m (HD3000).


Edited by Mrkazador - 12/4/12 at 3:11pm
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post #16356 of 17928
12/4/12 at 6:39pm
Hi folks. Was looking to pick up the 2312ci and it's quickly disappearing. I was wondering about what folks though buying Manufacturers Refurbished and getting a SquareTrade Warranty to go with it? I can pick up a Refurb for $450. Thoughts??

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post #16357 of 17928
12/4/12 at 6:47pm

$450 is a little expensive for a used 2312 I think... I bought my 2312 about 6 months ago for $500 brand new. Comes with a 3 year manufacturer warranty.

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post #16358 of 17928
12/4/12 at 6:51pm
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Originally Posted by Mrkazador View Post

$450 is a little expensive for a used 2312 I think... I bought my 2312 about 6 months ago for $500 brand new. Comes with a 3 year manufacturer warranty.

Only new one I can find right now is on Amazon and it's $669. Any other place I find a good deal isn't shipping. mad.gif
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post #16359 of 17928
12/4/12 at 7:47pm
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Originally Posted by dizzyrapper18 View Post

Out of the Denon receivers the AVR-2112ci seems like the best deal. I'd imagine the AVR-2112ci would be pretty decent don't you think? newegg.com says the AVR-2112ci is discontinued. Is it or does newegg just not sell them anymore or the 2112 is just out dated?

The 2012 models have been selling at closeout prices because as Batpig stated they have been replaced by 2013 models. I bought a 3312 for $750 which was a steal, considering how much receiver I got for that money. Also I later decided to upgrade the bedroom and picked up a 2112 for $450. I think it was from OneCall.com... would have preferred a 2312 but that model was $100 more.

I see there are still 1712's and 1912's still available. Others may show up as open box specials. If you really want to avoid paying 2013 prices, check Amazon often and grab one when they're available. I think someone here said they found an open box item at Best Buy for $200. Crazy. I can't imagine the 2013 models have so much more to offer that one would hold out given the prices.
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post #16360 of 17928
12/5/12 at 1:58am
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Originally Posted by softballkid4 View Post

Hi folks. Was looking to pick up the 2312ci and it's quickly disappearing. I was wondering about what folks though buying Manufacturers Refurbished and getting a SquareTrade Warranty to go with it? I can pick up a Refurb for $450. Thoughts??
Thanks.

Unless you can find one of the clearance prices (eg. Best Buy), this is a good price. Purchasing from Accessories4Less you woudl get a 1 year warranty and your credit card provider may add a 2nd year (Amex will do this for sure). Note also that you can purchase an extended warranty from the company that AC4L uses as well.
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post #16361 of 17928
12/5/12 at 5:27am
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Only new one I can find right now is on Amazon and it's $669. Any other place I find a good deal isn't shipping. mad.gif

I picked up a 2nd 2312ci about 2 weeks ago on Crutchfield.com, brand new.
Maybe check if there re any left.
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post #16362 of 17928
12/5/12 at 9:49am
^ ^ ^
So I went to Crutchfield.com last night and the are discontinued (i.e. sold out). Fortunately I live in Virginia where the Harrisonburg and Charlottesville stores are. Last night stock showed 1 new in Hburg and 5 new and 1 opened in Cville. This morning when I called, Hburg was out and Cville had only the opened box. I asked the guy in Cville to go look at the product and tell me if there were any blems. He came back and said it was in perfect condition and was their floor model, came with all manuals and accessories but no box. They want $479 and I still get the 3 yr manufacturers warranty so I'm having it shipped to Hburg and I'll be able to pick it up this weekend. The Crutchfield folks mentioned how fast these have been flying off the shelf at the reduced price since the XX13s came out. $599 was still a little out of my price range and I was hoping to wait for it to come down some more but looks like other folks had the same idea. Next up is the PolkRM87 7.1 HT speakers, the Russound X75s to drive my 8 RC80i in ceiling speakers. Then in about a month when the basement is finished I'll be ready to rock the house! biggrin.gif
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post #16363 of 17928
12/5/12 at 11:16am
Question:

If I'm using the standby pass-through feature, can somebody please explain me how volume control would work.
For example: If the AVR is OFF, the volume will come from the TV only. However, my dish network remote will still send signal to the AVR for volume. I would need to use my TV remote to adjust the volume when in standby mode?

I don't have my equipment yet so I wanted to ask here.

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post #16364 of 17928
12/5/12 at 11:20am
Hello all,

I have a Denon 2112CI and am having significant issues with the network capabilities on it. I am using the DeRemote and the Denon Remote App for iOS and it is incredibly flaky as far as staying connected to the network. Sometimes I can control it from my iPhone, other times I have to reboot it, reboot the apps, and let it discover it from scratch again. Typically once its recognized in the app it will work...until I put it in standby. The next day, I will open the app and have to remove it and discover it all over again. Sometimes it has even dropped off the network while it was on.

I bought this receiver with network capabilities primarily to be able to airplay and control it from my phone. So far it is has been a very subpar experience. I have verified it is on the latest firmware and have rebooted it several times (pulling the plug).

One small note, I have noticed it changes IP rather often. Do some people make a DHCP reservation for the MAC on their Denons?

Any ideas?
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post #16365 of 17928
12/5/12 at 11:33am
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Originally Posted by unr1 View Post

Question:

If I'm using the standby pass-through feature, can somebody please explain me how volume control would work.
For example: If the AVR is OFF, the volume will come from the TV only. However, my dish network remote will still send signal to the AVR for volume. I would need to use my TV remote to adjust the volume when in standby mode?

I don't have my equipment yet so I wanted to ask here.

Thanks

This question isn't really about the receiver, it's about your dish remote. If you program the remote so it sends volume commands to the AVR, that's what it will do. When you are using the standby pass through, the volume control needs to be done with the TV... so you are going to have to work it out between you and your specific remote. Really doesn't have anything to do with the receiver.
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post #16366 of 17928
12/5/12 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by mginster View Post

Hello all,

I have a Denon 2112CI and am having significant issues with the network capabilities on it. I am using the DeRemote and the Denon Remote App for iOS and it is incredibly flaky as far as staying connected to the network. Sometimes I can control it from my iPhone, other times I have to reboot it, reboot the apps, and let it discover it from scratch again. Typically once its recognized in the app it will work...until I put it in standby. The next day, I will open the app and have to remove it and discover it all over again. Sometimes it has even dropped off the network while it was on.

I bought this receiver with network capabilities primarily to be able to airplay and control it from my phone. So far it is has been a very subpar experience. I have verified it is on the latest firmware and have rebooted it several times (pulling the plug).

One small note, I have noticed it changes IP rather often. Do some people make a DHCP reservation for the MAC on their Denons?

Any ideas?

Issues like this almost always come down to the router and some obscure setting. How is your receiver connected to the network? With a wireless bridge? Have you tried all the troubleshooting tips at the beginning of this thread, e.g. setting a static IP?
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post #16367 of 17928
12/5/12 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

This question isn't really about the receiver, it's about your dish remote. If you program the remote so it sends volume commands to the AVR, that's what it will do. When you are using the standby pass through, the volume control needs to be done with the TV... so you are going to have to work it out between you and your specific remote. Really doesn't have anything to do with the receiver.
thank you.
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post #16368 of 17928
12/5/12 at 2:30pm
Majorly bummed. Just started looking for a 1712 and that last bit of sellouts in the past 2 weeks has cleared everyone out of stock. Nobody has anything anymore for $300 or less. I would do the 1713 but need the legacy component inputs for a Slingbox. Wish I had jumped sooner...Oh well.
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post #16369 of 17928
12/5/12 at 3:17pm
Don't fret. While they are out of stock right now, Denon direct expects to have a few more refurb 1712s in the next couple of weeks. The price on the last batch was $239.
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post #16370 of 17928
12/5/12 at 4:41pm
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Originally Posted by bargugl View Post

Don't fret. While they are out of stock right now, Denon direct expects to have a few more refurb 1712s in the next couple of weeks. The price on the last batch was $239.

That's cool, thanks for the info. You are talking about the Denon website under Products/Refurbs, correct? Or should I look through a vendor like AC4L? Interestingly, they had the $239 refurbs on the main site as of yesterday (not available to put in the cart, but as a product offering) and it just went down today, so I was under the assumption that they were gone for good. I will be sure to hit it if I see it again through. I appreciate the info though, it gives me hope.
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post #16371 of 17928
12/5/12 at 6:40pm
Will the 2312ci or the Denon Remote iOS app play videos from my DLNA server on the TV or my iPhone/iPad (respectively)?
My videos are mostly 1080p60 that stream to the PS3 from my media server. Curious to know if the Denon will stream these videos.
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post #16372 of 17928
12/5/12 at 7:14pm
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No, receivers don't do video streaming.
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post #16373 of 17928
12/5/12 at 7:38pm
Thats too bad. I think some Onkyo's do (based on the description of their iOS controlling software. But I'm not sure.

I have plenty of choices, though: PS3, Denon receiver (audio only), Dish Hopper, Airplay app. So I can manage.
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post #16374 of 17928
12/5/12 at 8:50pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Issues like this almost always come down to the router and some obscure setting. How is your receiver connected to the network? With a wireless bridge? Have you tried all the troubleshooting tips at the beginning of this thread, e.g. setting a static IP?

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Originally Posted by mginster View Post

Hello all,
I have a Denon 2112CI and am having significant issues with the network capabilities on it. I am using the DeRemote and the Denon Remote App for iOS and it is incredibly flaky as far as staying connected to the network. Sometimes I can control it from my iPhone, other times I have to reboot it, reboot the apps, and let it discover it from scratch again. Typically once its recognized in the app it will work...until I put it in standby. The next day, I will open the app and have to remove it and discover it all over again. Sometimes it has even dropped off the network while it was on.
I bought this receiver with network capabilities primarily to be able to airplay and control it from my phone. So far it is has been a very subpar experience. I have verified it is on the latest firmware and have rebooted it several times (pulling the plug).
One small note, I have noticed it changes IP rather often. Do some people make a DHCP reservation for the MAC on their Denons?
Any ideas?

Even if your denon is connected via cable you may still have issues since your iOS device is connected to the wireless. More than likely your issue is the router, specifically the hard-wire switch not seeing packets from the wireless switch. Check the FAQ on the first page. Also, what model router do you have?
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post #16375 of 17928
12/6/12 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by swizzchard View Post

Even if your denon is connected via cable you may still have issues since your iOS device is connected to the wireless. More than likely your issue is the router, specifically the hard-wire switch not seeing packets from the wireless switch. Check the FAQ on the first page. Also, what model router do you have?

I have the Denon hard wired to a Linksys WRT-54G that is flashed with DD-WRT firmware to allow it to run in a repeater bridge mode. Other clients are stable hard wired to it, but I will try the static IP route soon.
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post #16376 of 17928
12/6/12 at 10:09am
I recently picked up the 3312, I have it hooked up to my home network. I've downloaded the latest firmware etc. Airplay through itunes works great, however, I want to play my flac files on the receiver. I know itunes doesn't do this, so I could try converting my flac to apple lossless but I'd like to get it working for flac first. In any case, I downloaded WMP 12 (It was not included with my win 7 ultimate 64bit edition), then I downloaded the codec that is in the link from one of the posts in this thread. I restarted my PC. In WMP I can see my Denon, I turned on the sharing etc., followed some guide that shows how to allow WMP to play to the Denon. I have 2 problems, 1 WMP will not play flac, not even to my PC even after I installed the codecs and 2, it will not play to my Denon, not even mp3. When I select play to Denon a new screen pops up that looks like a WMP applet with a stop/play button etc and it just hangs at "Loading...". It never plays and it never gets passed this loading. Using the same song from itunes it plays effortlessly (although only 320bit).
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post #16377 of 17928
12/6/12 at 4:48pm
Is anyone else having trouble with Pandora?
I go to log in and hit 'ok', It says "please wait" which subsequently disappears but doesn't log me in.
I have the Denon AVR 1613 btw.
Thanks in advance.
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post #16378 of 17928
12/6/12 at 4:55pm
Thread Starter 
well, first off, if you have the 1613 you posted in the wrong thread (this is for xx12 models, there is a separate xx13 owner's thread).

second, this is a known bug for which Denon is currently rolling out a firmware update fix. Here you go: http://usa.denon.com/us/news/pages/newsdetails.aspx?newstype=news&newsid=89&year=2012
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post #16379 of 17928
12/6/12 at 6:56pm
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Originally Posted by clanmjc View Post

I recently picked up the 3312, I have it hooked up to my home network. I've downloaded the latest firmware etc. Airplay through itunes works great, however, I want to play my flac files on the receiver. I know itunes doesn't do this, so I could try converting my flac to apple lossless but I'd like to get it working for flac first. In any case, I downloaded WMP 12 (It was not included with my win 7 ultimate 64bit edition), then I downloaded the codec that is in the link from one of the posts in this thread. I restarted my PC. In WMP I can see my Denon, I turned on the sharing etc., followed some guide that shows how to allow WMP to play to the Denon. I have 2 problems, 1 WMP will not play flac, not even to my PC even after I installed the codecs and 2, it will not play to my Denon, not even mp3. When I select play to Denon a new screen pops up that looks like a WMP applet with a stop/play button etc and it just hangs at "Loading...". It never plays and it never gets passed this loading. Using the same song from itunes it plays effortlessly (although only 320bit).

AFAIK, only 2CH audio FLAC can pass.
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12/6/12 at 11:45pm
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Originally Posted by clanmjc View Post

I recently picked up the 3312, I have it hooked up to my home network. I've downloaded the latest firmware etc. Airplay through itunes works great, however, I want to play my flac files on the receiver. I know itunes doesn't do this, so I could try converting my flac to apple lossless but I'd like to get it working for flac first. In any case, I downloaded WMP 12 (It was not included with my win 7 ultimate 64bit edition), then I downloaded the codec that is in the link from one of the posts in this thread. I restarted my PC. In WMP I can see my Denon, I turned on the sharing etc., followed some guide that shows how to allow WMP to play to the Denon. I have 2 problems, 1 WMP will not play flac, not even to my PC even after I installed the codecs and 2, it will not play to my Denon, not even mp3. When I select play to Denon a new screen pops up that looks like a WMP applet with a stop/play button etc and it just hangs at "Loading...". It never plays and it never gets passed this loading. Using the same song from itunes it plays effortlessly (although only 320bit).

AFAIK, only 2CH audio FLAC can pass.
I believe this is correct and if I remember correctly my 1912 had problems playing back 24-bit/48khz flac files. If it's an option give foobar a try with this plugin for a media server
http://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_upnp
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