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Originally Posted by softballkid4 View Post

Only new one I can find right now is on Amazon and it's $669. Any other place I find a good deal isn't shipping. mad.gif

I picked up a 2nd 2312ci about 2 weeks ago on Crutchfield.com, brand new.
Maybe check if there re any left.
post #16352 of 18969
^ ^ ^
So I went to Crutchfield.com last night and the are discontinued (i.e. sold out). Fortunately I live in Virginia where the Harrisonburg and Charlottesville stores are. Last night stock showed 1 new in Hburg and 5 new and 1 opened in Cville. This morning when I called, Hburg was out and Cville had only the opened box. I asked the guy in Cville to go look at the product and tell me if there were any blems. He came back and said it was in perfect condition and was their floor model, came with all manuals and accessories but no box. They want $479 and I still get the 3 yr manufacturers warranty so I'm having it shipped to Hburg and I'll be able to pick it up this weekend. The Crutchfield folks mentioned how fast these have been flying off the shelf at the reduced price since the XX13s came out. $599 was still a little out of my price range and I was hoping to wait for it to come down some more but looks like other folks had the same idea. Next up is the PolkRM87 7.1 HT speakers, the Russound X75s to drive my 8 RC80i in ceiling speakers. Then in about a month when the basement is finished I'll be ready to rock the house! biggrin.gif
post #16353 of 18969
Question:

If I'm using the standby pass-through feature, can somebody please explain me how volume control would work.
For example: If the AVR is OFF, the volume will come from the TV only. However, my dish network remote will still send signal to the AVR for volume. I would need to use my TV remote to adjust the volume when in standby mode?

I don't have my equipment yet so I wanted to ask here.

Thanks
post #16354 of 18969
Hello all,

I have a Denon 2112CI and am having significant issues with the network capabilities on it. I am using the DeRemote and the Denon Remote App for iOS and it is incredibly flaky as far as staying connected to the network. Sometimes I can control it from my iPhone, other times I have to reboot it, reboot the apps, and let it discover it from scratch again. Typically once its recognized in the app it will work...until I put it in standby. The next day, I will open the app and have to remove it and discover it all over again. Sometimes it has even dropped off the network while it was on.

I bought this receiver with network capabilities primarily to be able to airplay and control it from my phone. So far it is has been a very subpar experience. I have verified it is on the latest firmware and have rebooted it several times (pulling the plug).

One small note, I have noticed it changes IP rather often. Do some people make a DHCP reservation for the MAC on their Denons?

Any ideas?
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by unr1 View Post

Question:

If I'm using the standby pass-through feature, can somebody please explain me how volume control would work.
For example: If the AVR is OFF, the volume will come from the TV only. However, my dish network remote will still send signal to the AVR for volume. I would need to use my TV remote to adjust the volume when in standby mode?

I don't have my equipment yet so I wanted to ask here.

Thanks

This question isn't really about the receiver, it's about your dish remote. If you program the remote so it sends volume commands to the AVR, that's what it will do. When you are using the standby pass through, the volume control needs to be done with the TV... so you are going to have to work it out between you and your specific remote. Really doesn't have anything to do with the receiver.
post #16356 of 18969
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mginster View Post

Hello all,

I have a Denon 2112CI and am having significant issues with the network capabilities on it. I am using the DeRemote and the Denon Remote App for iOS and it is incredibly flaky as far as staying connected to the network. Sometimes I can control it from my iPhone, other times I have to reboot it, reboot the apps, and let it discover it from scratch again. Typically once its recognized in the app it will work...until I put it in standby. The next day, I will open the app and have to remove it and discover it all over again. Sometimes it has even dropped off the network while it was on.

I bought this receiver with network capabilities primarily to be able to airplay and control it from my phone. So far it is has been a very subpar experience. I have verified it is on the latest firmware and have rebooted it several times (pulling the plug).

One small note, I have noticed it changes IP rather often. Do some people make a DHCP reservation for the MAC on their Denons?

Any ideas?

Issues like this almost always come down to the router and some obscure setting. How is your receiver connected to the network? With a wireless bridge? Have you tried all the troubleshooting tips at the beginning of this thread, e.g. setting a static IP?
post #16357 of 18969
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

This question isn't really about the receiver, it's about your dish remote. If you program the remote so it sends volume commands to the AVR, that's what it will do. When you are using the standby pass through, the volume control needs to be done with the TV... so you are going to have to work it out between you and your specific remote. Really doesn't have anything to do with the receiver.
thank you.
post #16358 of 18969
Majorly bummed. Just started looking for a 1712 and that last bit of sellouts in the past 2 weeks has cleared everyone out of stock. Nobody has anything anymore for $300 or less. I would do the 1713 but need the legacy component inputs for a Slingbox. Wish I had jumped sooner...Oh well.
post #16359 of 18969
Don't fret. While they are out of stock right now, Denon direct expects to have a few more refurb 1712s in the next couple of weeks. The price on the last batch was $239.
post #16360 of 18969
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Originally Posted by bargugl View Post

Don't fret. While they are out of stock right now, Denon direct expects to have a few more refurb 1712s in the next couple of weeks. The price on the last batch was $239.

That's cool, thanks for the info. You are talking about the Denon website under Products/Refurbs, correct? Or should I look through a vendor like AC4L? Interestingly, they had the $239 refurbs on the main site as of yesterday (not available to put in the cart, but as a product offering) and it just went down today, so I was under the assumption that they were gone for good. I will be sure to hit it if I see it again through. I appreciate the info though, it gives me hope.
post #16361 of 18969
Will the 2312ci or the Denon Remote iOS app play videos from my DLNA server on the TV or my iPhone/iPad (respectively)?
My videos are mostly 1080p60 that stream to the PS3 from my media server. Curious to know if the Denon will stream these videos.
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Thread Starter 
No, receivers don't do video streaming.
post #16363 of 18969
Thats too bad. I think some Onkyo's do (based on the description of their iOS controlling software. But I'm not sure.

I have plenty of choices, though: PS3, Denon receiver (audio only), Dish Hopper, Airplay app. So I can manage.
post #16364 of 18969
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Issues like this almost always come down to the router and some obscure setting. How is your receiver connected to the network? With a wireless bridge? Have you tried all the troubleshooting tips at the beginning of this thread, e.g. setting a static IP?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mginster View Post

Hello all,
I have a Denon 2112CI and am having significant issues with the network capabilities on it. I am using the DeRemote and the Denon Remote App for iOS and it is incredibly flaky as far as staying connected to the network. Sometimes I can control it from my iPhone, other times I have to reboot it, reboot the apps, and let it discover it from scratch again. Typically once its recognized in the app it will work...until I put it in standby. The next day, I will open the app and have to remove it and discover it all over again. Sometimes it has even dropped off the network while it was on.
I bought this receiver with network capabilities primarily to be able to airplay and control it from my phone. So far it is has been a very subpar experience. I have verified it is on the latest firmware and have rebooted it several times (pulling the plug).
One small note, I have noticed it changes IP rather often. Do some people make a DHCP reservation for the MAC on their Denons?
Any ideas?

Even if your denon is connected via cable you may still have issues since your iOS device is connected to the wireless. More than likely your issue is the router, specifically the hard-wire switch not seeing packets from the wireless switch. Check the FAQ on the first page. Also, what model router do you have?
post #16365 of 18969
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Originally Posted by swizzchard View Post

Even if your denon is connected via cable you may still have issues since your iOS device is connected to the wireless. More than likely your issue is the router, specifically the hard-wire switch not seeing packets from the wireless switch. Check the FAQ on the first page. Also, what model router do you have?

I have the Denon hard wired to a Linksys WRT-54G that is flashed with DD-WRT firmware to allow it to run in a repeater bridge mode. Other clients are stable hard wired to it, but I will try the static IP route soon.
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I recently picked up the 3312, I have it hooked up to my home network. I've downloaded the latest firmware etc. Airplay through itunes works great, however, I want to play my flac files on the receiver. I know itunes doesn't do this, so I could try converting my flac to apple lossless but I'd like to get it working for flac first. In any case, I downloaded WMP 12 (It was not included with my win 7 ultimate 64bit edition), then I downloaded the codec that is in the link from one of the posts in this thread. I restarted my PC. In WMP I can see my Denon, I turned on the sharing etc., followed some guide that shows how to allow WMP to play to the Denon. I have 2 problems, 1 WMP will not play flac, not even to my PC even after I installed the codecs and 2, it will not play to my Denon, not even mp3. When I select play to Denon a new screen pops up that looks like a WMP applet with a stop/play button etc and it just hangs at "Loading...". It never plays and it never gets passed this loading. Using the same song from itunes it plays effortlessly (although only 320bit).
post #16367 of 18969
Is anyone else having trouble with Pandora?
I go to log in and hit 'ok', It says "please wait" which subsequently disappears but doesn't log me in.
I have the Denon AVR 1613 btw.
Thanks in advance.
post #16368 of 18969
Thread Starter 
well, first off, if you have the 1613 you posted in the wrong thread (this is for xx12 models, there is a separate xx13 owner's thread).

second, this is a known bug for which Denon is currently rolling out a firmware update fix. Here you go: http://usa.denon.com/us/news/pages/newsdetails.aspx?newstype=news&newsid=89&year=2012
post #16369 of 18969
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Originally Posted by clanmjc View Post

I recently picked up the 3312, I have it hooked up to my home network. I've downloaded the latest firmware etc. Airplay through itunes works great, however, I want to play my flac files on the receiver. I know itunes doesn't do this, so I could try converting my flac to apple lossless but I'd like to get it working for flac first. In any case, I downloaded WMP 12 (It was not included with my win 7 ultimate 64bit edition), then I downloaded the codec that is in the link from one of the posts in this thread. I restarted my PC. In WMP I can see my Denon, I turned on the sharing etc., followed some guide that shows how to allow WMP to play to the Denon. I have 2 problems, 1 WMP will not play flac, not even to my PC even after I installed the codecs and 2, it will not play to my Denon, not even mp3. When I select play to Denon a new screen pops up that looks like a WMP applet with a stop/play button etc and it just hangs at "Loading...". It never plays and it never gets passed this loading. Using the same song from itunes it plays effortlessly (although only 320bit).

AFAIK, only 2CH audio FLAC can pass.
post #16370 of 18969
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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Originally Posted by clanmjc View Post

I recently picked up the 3312, I have it hooked up to my home network. I've downloaded the latest firmware etc. Airplay through itunes works great, however, I want to play my flac files on the receiver. I know itunes doesn't do this, so I could try converting my flac to apple lossless but I'd like to get it working for flac first. In any case, I downloaded WMP 12 (It was not included with my win 7 ultimate 64bit edition), then I downloaded the codec that is in the link from one of the posts in this thread. I restarted my PC. In WMP I can see my Denon, I turned on the sharing etc., followed some guide that shows how to allow WMP to play to the Denon. I have 2 problems, 1 WMP will not play flac, not even to my PC even after I installed the codecs and 2, it will not play to my Denon, not even mp3. When I select play to Denon a new screen pops up that looks like a WMP applet with a stop/play button etc and it just hangs at "Loading...". It never plays and it never gets passed this loading. Using the same song from itunes it plays effortlessly (although only 320bit).

AFAIK, only 2CH audio FLAC can pass.
I believe this is correct and if I remember correctly my 1912 had problems playing back 24-bit/48khz flac files. If it's an option give foobar a try with this plugin for a media server
http://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_upnp
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Just received my 2312 from Crutchfield wednesday.Took a while to get use to.Previously had a Yamaha RXV-1400 and wanted HDMI hookup.I finally setup yesterday with Audyssey and it was so much better after setup.Of course after checking my sub specs on Klipsch site I found the gain control,did not know it was the big black knob on the side,I need to run setup again.The setting for sub is -12.I also had to put some new banana plugs on the ends of my speaker wire as the old connections were a little loose.A couple came off.I have the Klipsch RX 5 speakers.plus two infinity towers.I am really liking this avr so far.Will run audyssey agin today.Have to as I reset my 2312 trying to find version.Stupid as I used the wrong 2 button press as I misread instructions as to the 2 buttons to press.Sometimes I think I am dyslexic.Mine was made Feb.12.Firmware version is 0000.?Seems to work just fine.I really to not care about airplay or internet radio as I can hook up my Ipod with usb and avr hooked up to directv has sonictap.I love Newage and old R&R.
Thanks to all here for the info I have read to help me with this.Especially to Batpig.
post #16372 of 18969
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Originally Posted by clanmjc View Post

I recently picked up the 3312, I have it hooked up to my home network. I've downloaded the latest firmware etc. Airplay through itunes works great, however, I want to play my flac files on the receiver. I know itunes doesn't do this, so I could try converting my flac to apple lossless but I'd like to get it working for flac first. In any case, I downloaded WMP 12 (It was not included with my win 7 ultimate 64bit edition), then I downloaded the codec that is in the link from one of the posts in this thread. I restarted my PC. In WMP I can see my Denon, I turned on the sharing etc., followed some guide that shows how to allow WMP to play to the Denon. I have 2 problems, 1 WMP will not play flac, not even to my PC even after I installed the codecs and 2, it will not play to my Denon, not even mp3. When I select play to Denon a new screen pops up that looks like a WMP applet with a stop/play button etc and it just hangs at "Loading...". It never plays and it never gets passed this loading. Using the same song from itunes it plays effortlessly (although only 320bit).

Alright here was my fix.

After having tried many codecs and tricks based on posts on this forum, Microsoft's and others I decided to just try fresh for myself. I searched for WMP 12 flac codec and grabbed the "Media Player Codec Pack" off of CNET (I actually included CNET in my google search). Installed it and I can now play the FLAC files on my PC as well as to my Denon (Although it feels very buggy but maybe it's just the large file sizes). I can also see my media server from the Denon and play the Flac files directly.

Why/How did this have anything to do with making the DLNA suddenly work, I don't know, but before I couldn't even play mp3's from WMP12 to my Denon 3312, now I can play everything.

WMP seems so buggy and sluggish though, I don't care for it, but it is free and I can wait 5 seconds for a song to begin playing but I honestly don't know why it isn't near instant.
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Thread Starter 
You might want to look into other media server software, Twonky seems popular and I'm sure there are others that are better than WMP.
post #16374 of 18969
I use the free version of Serviio. It works very well.
post #16375 of 18969
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Originally Posted by Torviss View Post


I believe this is correct and if I remember correctly my 1912 had problems playing back 24-bit/48khz flac files. If it's an option give foobar a try with this plugin for a media server
http://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_upnp


I use this and it works fine. It also has an option to convert non-supported file types to something my 2312 can playback.

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I'm new to the forum and let me start by saying thank you for the guys who put this together it really help me a lot setting up my Denon AVR specially with the Audyssey setup. I had my 2312Ci for almost a year until 3 day ago I actually realized that I had done the calibration partially wrong. I notice while watching Dark Knight Rises some of the fight scene I could not hear some of the punches and glass breaks and some other sound, it caught my attention since I saw the movie in the theater I remember listen to those sound. So I found this forum and in the Audyssey setup part talks about changing the crossover frequency of the speakers to 80hz and 60hz after finishing with the audussey setup, I did that since my receiver set them to 120hz and let me tell you I was WOW what a difference also my subs were done incorrectly, I follow all the instruction step by step and now sound is where it should be. Thank you guys!

My currently setup is Denon AVR 2312Ci am currently on 7.2 using 6 Mirage MX speakers, 1 Mirage OCS3 center Channel and 2 Mirage MX6 subs.
post #16377 of 18969
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Originally Posted by Wishkid View Post

I'm new to the forum and let me start by saying thank you for the guys who put this together it really help me a lot setting up my Denon AVR specially with the Audyssey setup. I had my 2312Ci for almost a year until 3 day ago I actually realized that I had done the calibration partially wrong. I notice while watching Dark Knight Rises some of the fight scene I could not hear some of the punches and glass breaks and some other sound, it caught my attention since I saw the movie in the theater I remember listen to those sound. So I found this forum and in the Audyssey setup part talks about changing the crossover frequency of the speakers to 80hz and 60hz after finishing with the audussey setup, I did that since my receiver set them to 120hz and let me tell you I was WOW what a difference also my subs were done incorrectly, I follow all the instruction step by step and now sound is where it should be. Thank you guys!
My currently setup is Denon AVR 2312Ci am currently on 7.2 using 6 Mirage MX speakers, 1 Mirage OCS3 center Channel and 2 Mirage MX6 subs.

The other settings you changed after running Audyssey are undoubtedly responsible for your improved sound. You should not be lowering the crossover settings, only raising them if they were set below 80 after running Audyssey [see bolded part above]. I'd suggest raising whichever crossovers you lowered by returning them to 120 if that is where they were set. If you recall which speakers those were, you will not have to re-run Audyssey or re-load the configuration if you saved it to your PC.

After doing this, you may or may not notice another improvement in your sound, but it definitely should not sound worse than you have now.
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Tom Thanks for the advise I missed read that LOL. I set them back how they were only the center speaker was set to 80hz and the rest were 120hz so I switch them back, I notice a little improvement on the high pitch Thanks a lot.
post #16379 of 18969
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Originally Posted by Wishkid View Post

I'm new to the forum and let me start by saying thank you for the guys who put this together it really help me a lot setting up my Denon AVR specially with the Audyssey setup. I had my 2312Ci for almost a year until 3 day ago I actually realized that I had done the calibration partially wrong. I notice while watching Dark Knight Rises some of the fight scene I could not hear some of the punches and glass breaks and some other sound, it caught my attention since I saw the movie in the theater I remember listen to those sound. So I found this forum and in the Audyssey setup part talks about changing the crossover frequency of the speakers to 80hz and 60hz after finishing with the audussey setup, I did that since my receiver set them to 120hz and let me tell you I was WOW what a difference also my subs were done incorrectly, I follow all the instruction step by step and now sound is where it should be. Thank you guys!
My currently setup is Denon AVR 2312Ci am currently on 7.2 using 6 Mirage MX speakers, 1 Mirage OCS3 center Channel and 2 Mirage MX6 subs.

Please note that the Audyssey Setup Guide indicates raising any crossovers set < 80Hz up to 80HZ, while leaving any set > 80Hz. Althought it may sound better to you, if you lowered a crossover from 120Hz down to 80Hz, any audio below 120Hz from that speaker is not being EQ'd. eek.gif
post #16380 of 18969
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

When using the Zone 2 speakers setup as "Front B", the speakers mirror what is played on the Front A speakers, so volume control would be the same for both Zones in this instance, noting that "Front B" setting does not allow for independent source or volume.

I have the same requirement as lirong (identical content sent to a second pair of speakers in another room), so I changed from Zone 2 to Front-B configuration on my 2112. But then what? How do I select/activate the "B" speakers (and/or my 5.1 "A" spkrs)? I know it has something to do with the settings on the Front Sp Setting page, but the Denon manual is less than clear. It says:
Code:
2CH DIRECT/STEREO : 
The front speakers used in the direct, stereo and pure direct play modes (2 channel) are set in advance. 
• A : Front speaker A is used. 
• B : Front speaker B is used.
• A+B : Both front speakers A and B are used. 
MULTI CH : The front speakers used in modes other than the direct, stereo and pure direct play modes (2 channel) are set in advance. 
• A : Front speaker A is used.
• B : Front speaker B is used. 
• A+B : Both front speakers A and B are used.

I've fiddled around with these settings, and can't figure it out. I'd be grateful if someone could explain in plain english how these settings activate the Front-B setup.

Thanks a lot. And my wife thanks you - she just wants to be able to listen to the same audio in the other room, like she could with our previous device (a 20-year old NAD receiver).
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