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post #16471 of 18955
Thanks, Mr. Smoothie.........good to know.
post #16472 of 18955
Quick question concerning the 1912 and a Wii. I just completed a network reset to fix the update problem and I'm getting my quick selects set back up but I can't seem to use my sub on the input my Wii is using (DVD) connected with component cables. I pull up the channel level and no matter what I set the surround setting to (stereo/multi-channel/etc) there is only an option for front L/R but no sub level. I'm all but positive I had this option before I reset the receiver but now it's not there. Does anyone know what I'm overlooking to get this working?

edit: same thing with my media server. I'm definitely overlooking something... searching the OM for what it is though.

edit again: >_> so it's entirely possible I overlooked the LFE/LFE+Main sort of option... just maybe. Sorry everyone
Edited by Torviss - 12/14/12 at 12:03am
post #16473 of 18955
^^
If your front mains are set to SMALL (as they should be) there's no reason to have to use the LFE+Main setting. smile.gif
post #16474 of 18955
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
If your front mains are set to SMALL (as they should be) there's no reason to have to use the LFE+Main setting. smile.gif

I know that's the recommended setting according to the audyssey guys but I've tried it several times and mine just sounds better using 'large' and LFE+Main. I don't know if it's just my speakers or what, but I definitely lack midbass when I cut the bass out of the mains. I don't think that would be why he doesn't have sub on his outputs anyway because I have it in mine...
post #16475 of 18955
FYI -- Updated my 21112ci to the new firmware. Took 3 minutes as promised. First time I have updated firmware since having to take it back to the shop to have them manually update firmware to deal with the "Authenticating" error that previously prevented firmware updates.

Pandora service restored. Only thing I noticed was that when in Pandora, the GUI screen that shows the "now playing" says Internet Radio instead of Pandora.
post #16476 of 18955
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

If your front mains are set to SMALL (as they should be) there's no reason to have to use the LFE+Main setting.

I always thought that LFE+MAIN directed the low frequencies below the xover point of the SMALL speakers to the subwoofer. Wouldn't using "LFE ONLY" prevent the mains from doing that, or is your point merely that it is redundant?
post #16477 of 18955
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Originally Posted by RobLee View Post

I always thought that LFE+MAIN directed the low frequencies below the xover point of the SMALL speakers to the subwoofer. Wouldn't using "LFE ONLY" prevent the mains from doing that, or is your point merely that it is redundant?

What you describe is what happens when the normal crossover is working. In main plus LFE the idea is to overlap between the main speakers and the subs. The mains run full range and play however deep they play, the sub plays however high it is set to play, and you get a bass boost in the overlapping region. If the speakers are set to small, you can't get main plus lfe. LFE only also runs the mains full range, but does not overlap because the only signal the sub sees is from the LFE channel.
post #16478 of 18955
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Originally Posted by jon777 View Post

FYI -- Updated my 21112ci to the new firmware. Took 3 minutes as promised. First time I have updated firmware since having to take it back to the shop to have them manually update firmware to deal with the "Authenticating" error that previously prevented firmware updates.
Pandora service restored. Only thing I noticed was that when in Pandora, the GUI screen that shows the "now playing" says Internet Radio instead of Pandora.

Beautiful... Just updated my 3312ci; 3 minutes as promised as well... Pandora is back!

Note: in case it was missed on the other thread I had started. Matt Good suggested changing the source from NET/USB to something else if you're having "Authenticating..." issues. Did that this morning (chose "Tuner") and the FW update started after ~1 minute of Authenticating.
post #16479 of 18955
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Originally Posted by Torviss View Post

Quick question concerning the 1912 and a Wii. I just completed a network reset to fix the update problem and I'm getting my quick selects set back up but I can't seem to use my sub on the input my Wii is using (DVD) connected with component cables. I pull up the channel level and no matter what I set the surround setting to (stereo/multi-channel/etc) there is only an option for front L/R but no sub level. I'm all but positive I had this option before I reset the receiver but now it's not there. Does anyone know what I'm overlooking to get this working?
edit: same thing with my media server. I'm definitely overlooking something... searching the OM for what it is though.
edit again: >_> so it's entirely possible I overlooked the LFE/LFE+Main sort of option... just maybe. Sorry everyone

Have you re-run the Audyssey set up? The network reset will erase the previous configuration. On my 2112 the sub is lost as you describe under some conditions, when the input is stereo for example, when there's no Audyssey file present.
post #16480 of 18955
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by RobLee View Post

I always thought that LFE+MAIN directed the low frequencies below the xover point of the SMALL speakers to the subwoofer.

it's actually the opposite -- if a speakers is set to LARGE, then there is no bass management and the subwoofer only plays the LFE track. The LFE+MAIN setting allows the sub to get the bass from the LARGE main speakers in addition to the LFE channel, thus LFE plus MAIN.

if a speaker is small the setting is irrelevant, because setting a speaker to SMALL turns on the bass management for that speaker.
post #16481 of 18955
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jon777 View Post

Pandora service restored. Only thing I noticed was that when in Pandora, the GUI screen that shows the "now playing" says Internet Radio instead of Pandora.

Yes, this is a different Pandora / Internet Radio bug that's been reported on numerous xx12/xx13 models. It also manifests (at least it does on my 2113CI) in that sometimes when I select Internet Radio, it actually fires up a Pandora stream instead. Then I have to back out of that Pandora stream in order to browse and select an actual Internet Radio stream.

Report it to Denon, the more people who complain the more likely it is to get fixed.
post #16482 of 18955
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

if a speaker is small the setting is irrelevant, because setting a speaker to SMALL turns on the bass management for that speaker.

So when all speakers are set to SMALL, then the LFE setting is either redundant or irrelevant, correct? That is what I had assumed. So when speakers are all set to small, LFE+MAIN if it is an available option, has no effect.
post #16483 of 18955
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Yes, this is a different Pandora / Internet Radio bug that's been reported on numerous xx12/xx13 models. It also manifests (at least it does on my 2113CI) in that sometimes when I select Internet Radio, it actually fires up a Pandora stream instead. Then I have to back out of that Pandora stream in order to browse and select an actual Internet Radio stream.
Report it to Denon, the more people who complain the more likely it is to get fixed.

And now, having problems logging into to Pandora again...

Have had the intermittent no GUI in NET/USB mode, which is recurring again, and when I can get from Internet Radio to Pandora (this is exceedingly difficult to do without a GUI, as am not sure the key sequence to get to the Menu), when I try and log into Pandora, it goes into the "Do You Have a Pandora Account" question (I can see on the display of the AVR). It seems to have the User ID saved (although I can only see part of it in the display). Will have to try pulling the plug for awhile to see if I can get the GUI to come back...

I have reported to DENON through their "ask a question" section -- not sure if that is better/worse than calling Cust Service...

UPDATE: Shutting off power for 15 mins and turning on Receiver first followed by TV (as recommended in Known Problems posts) did bring back the UI, and was able to log back into Pandora -- it still had my User ID but not my password -- must have backed all the out to the point of it no longer remembering the password (don't know if this is different now than before the issue). Also the Pandora GUI now showing Pandora and not Internet Radio.
Edited by jon777 - 12/14/12 at 2:23pm
post #16484 of 18955
how often do you guys have problems with your networking receivers? i have the 1712 and was thinking about upgrading to one with airplay but i dont want these hassles you guys are going through
post #16485 of 18955
If you're thinking of a newer XX13 model, you would be better served posting in that thread as well. smile.gif
post #16486 of 18955
Hey Guys,

I am trying to get my denon 2312 all squared away. I bought a Impact Acoustics IR repeater to control my components. I can control the receiver if I use the emitters. However, I would like to use the remote control jacks in the back. I have tried connecting the 3.5mm cable from the repeater to the back of the remote control IR IN. Nothing. Ideas?
post #16487 of 18955
I may have found the issue. I am using a 3.5mm stereo cable. Should I be using 3.5mm mono cable instead?
post #16488 of 18955
Yes, give that a try, although note that not all repeaters will work correctly.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_J4
post #16489 of 18955
Yeah I seen that in the FAQ after posting my question. The mono stood out to me so figured that was the issue. Thanks. I will try to get a mono cable and see if it woks like the emitter.
post #16490 of 18955
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Originally Posted by bradymartin View Post

how often do you guys have problems with your networking receivers? i have the 1712 and was thinking about upgrading to one with airplay but i don't want these hassles you guys are going through

Hassles? Never. I turned on the 3312 last night for the first time since last weekend to watch a BD and it automatically went to an update, then spent about 5 minutes installing it. But we could still use the receiver to skip thru previews while it updated.
post #16491 of 18955
Got the notification last night, updated, took about 10 minutes total, worked fine, Pandora is back.

I wish they would have updated the app to stream higher bitrates from Pandora, though I've often wondered if it isn't already playing them back at higher bit rates and just showing a default bitrate on the screen...
post #16492 of 18955
Been using 3310ci (all in all good experience) for 2 years and wondering if 3312ci would be decent upgrade. Was really targeting 4311ci but since decent deals on those are nowhere to be found anymore, perhaps 3312ci will do?

Mainly interested in 2nd HDMI out and Audyssey Multeq XT upgrade. Airplay perhaps. Anything else?
post #16493 of 18955
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Originally Posted by MEC2 View Post

Got the notification last night, updated, took about 10 minutes total, worked fine, Pandora is back.
I wish they would have updated the app to stream higher bitrates from Pandora, though I've often wondered if it isn't already playing them back at higher bit rates and just showing a default bitrate on the screen...

The limitation of 128kbps is not likely to be changed by a firmware update.
post #16494 of 18955
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Originally Posted by giedrys View Post

Been using 3310ci (all in all good experience) for 2 years and wondering if 3312ci would be decent upgrade. Was really targeting 4311ci but since decent deals on those are nowhere to be found anymore, perhaps 3312ci will do?
Mainly interested in 2nd HDMI out and Audyssey Multeq XT upgrade. Airplay perhaps. Anything else?

With better quality speakers (don't have to identify yours, just saying in general), the upgrade to XT would likely provide a noticeable bump in quality, although not near as much as upgrading to XT32 on the 4311. smile.gif

Note that you can still get a factory refurb for a good price at Accessories4Less.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR4311CI/DENON-AVR-4311CI-9.2-Channel-Network-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html
post #16495 of 18955
Just replaced my Onkyo 805 with a demo 2112 from Fry's. Just about got everything setup. I am using a Harmony Link to control everything. I asked Harmony to add the buttons needed to control zone 2. So in the meantime I am able to control the TV with 5.1 with my Android Phone using Harmony Link. And zone 2 on our deck is being controlled by the AVR-Remote App. Now to figure out why I can't logon to my Pandora account even though the receiver says the firmware is up to date.

I did have some initial setup problems getting sound to work out of any speaker, but I, one by one connected and disconnected each speaker and then it finally worked!!! Also on order is a mic as the demo unit came with nothing except the receiver.
post #16496 of 18955
I have the 2112ci and have been waiting for the new firmware update to get Pandora working again. I read where a lot of you got the 'notification' to update. I have yet to get the notification on my receiver that there is new firmware to update. I have the notifications set to 'on'. I even unplugged the receiver for about 15 minutes, then plugged it back in hoping to see the notification show up on the screen...but it didn't work. Any suggestions on how I can get the new firmware update if I'm not getting any notification that there is a new update? Thanks.
post #16497 of 18955
Sorry for even asking this question... I know the answer has to be here somewhere...

My AVR-1912 is driving me nuts. I've got my blu-ray player hooked up via hdmi. When I play a cd, the front speakers play full-range. The crossover has no effect. I've got the speakers set to "small", sub "yes" bass to "LFE + L&R", crossover for front to 80, center to 80, surrounds to 100. When I play a 20 hz test tone the front speakers flap like mad. I've tried every combo possible (so I think). Does anyone know what the problem might be? I've also tried bass set to "LFE" - no change.

When I go to "speaker configuration check" it shows all speakers set to "large", even though I've set them to "small"

I've run Audyssey Mutli-EQ and changed the speaker setting to "small" and changed the crossover.

I'd really appreciate everyone's indulgence on this if it's been answered before. Thanks a million (hoping for the best!)
post #16498 of 18955
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Originally Posted by rsmed1 View Post

I have the 2112ci and have been waiting for the new firmware update to get Pandora working again.

I have a 3312ci so yours may be different. Try going to the menu and, on menu go to “System Setup” then “Option Setup”, scroll down to “Firmware Update. You may be able to get the update to start there.
post #16499 of 18955
Eddie, thanks for the info. I did as you suggested and it states that I have the latest firmware (I know this isn't true, because I haven't yet gotten the new 'Pandora Fix" update). Just to be sure, I tried logging into Pandora via the avr, after entering user/password, it just says 'ok' and sits there. Just as it has done since the whole Pandora issue. Why does the avr think it has the latest firmware when I know it doesn't? Not sure what else to try to get the latest firmware.
post #16500 of 18955
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

With better quality speakers (don't have to identify yours, just saying in general), the upgrade to XT would likely provide a noticeable bump in quality, although not near as much as upgrading to XT32 on the 4311. smile.gif
Note that you can still get a factory refurb for a good price at Accessories4Less.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR4311CI/DENON-AVR-4311CI-9.2-Channel-Network-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html

Thanks! Yes I'm aware about refurb deal but 3312ci can be bought for less than half confused.gif

5.1 setup with B&W 685 and ML Dynamo.
Edited by giedrys - 12/15/12 at 3:48pm
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