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I am having a problem with my AVR-3312 that I was hoping JDsmoothie or someone else could help.

Somehow, the front panel no longer reads DDtruehd or DTSma when it should be, instead it reads only Dolby Digital. I have checked and double checked the audio setting on my Sony BDP-590 and it is definitely set to bitstream. What setting in the Denon AVR-3312 should I change? It used to display the proper audio codec, but now somehow it has mysteriously changed to Dolby Digital no matter which bluray movie I am watching. Any ideas or helpful advise would be be most appreciated!
post #16502 of 18966
Thread Starter 
It's not the receiver, it's 100% the source. The receiver can only play what it gets, there is no setting that prevents a player from sending hi rez audio.

Make sure secondary audio is off on the player side n
post #16503 of 18966
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Puppetboy View Post

Sorry for even asking this question... I know the answer has to be here somewhere...

My AVR-1912 is driving me nuts. I've got my blu-ray player hooked up via hdmi. When I play a cd, the front speakers play full-range. The crossover has no effect. I've got the speakers set to "small", sub "yes" bass to "LFE + L&R", crossover for front to 80, center to 80, surrounds to 100. When I play a 20 hz test tone the front speakers flap like mad. I've tried every combo possible (so I think). Does anyone know what the problem might be? I've also tried bass set to "LFE" - no change.

When I go to "speaker configuration check" it shows all speakers set to "large", even though I've set them to "small"

I've run Audyssey Mutli-EQ and changed the speaker setting to "small" and changed the crossover.

I'd really appreciate everyone's indulgence on this if it's been answered before. Thanks a million (hoping for the best!)

What's surround mode are you using? Direct?
post #16504 of 18966
So what is the f/w update I just got on my 2312ci? Just Pandora? I don't really use that. Are there any other things included?

I ran the update anyhow and the AVR is still working okay so I guess it doesn't matter much anyway.
post #16505 of 18966
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

What's surround mode are you using? Direct?

Thank you! Yes, under Information>>Audio Signal>>Surround Mode it says "direct", and "Signal" it says "PCM ZERO". I don't see anyplace in the menu where I can change that setting?


I just messed with the buttons on the remote that say "movie" "music" "direct" etc. and a variety of options appears for each. When I try Music>>Stereo many of the crossover settings are not available, but the front crossover is set to 40 hz insead of 80 and I can't change it. Wow! What a headache!
Edited by Puppetboy - 12/15/12 at 5:05pm
post #16506 of 18966
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Originally Posted by Duke Broadway View Post

I may have found the issue. I am using a 3.5mm stereo cable. Should I be using 3.5mm mono cable instead?

Tried a mono cable and still no dice. It odd that the emitter eyes will work when placed over the IR sensor but when plugged into the back. Would love the clean look of no emitter on the front. Any ideas? If not I guess its not the end of the world.
post #16507 of 18966
Keep trying different emitters until you find one that works.
post #16508 of 18966
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

So what is the f/w update I just got on my 2312ci? Just Pandora? I don't really use that. Are there any other things included?
I ran the update anyhow and the AVR is still working okay so I guess it doesn't matter much anyway.

Yup. Just Pandora. smile.gif
post #16509 of 18966
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Originally Posted by Puppetboy View Post

Sorry for even asking this question... I know the answer has to be here somewhere...
My AVR-1912 is driving me nuts. I've got my blu-ray player hooked up via hdmi. When I play a cd, the front speakers play full-range. The crossover has no effect. I've got the speakers set to "small", sub "yes" bass to "LFE + L&R", crossover for front to 80, center to 80, surrounds to 100. When I play a 20 hz test tone the front speakers flap like mad. I've tried every combo possible (so I think). Does anyone know what the problem might be? I've also tried bass set to "LFE" - no change.
When I go to "speaker configuration check" it shows all speakers set to "large", even though I've set them to "small"
I've run Audyssey Mutli-EQ and changed the speaker setting to "small" and changed the crossover.
I'd really appreciate everyone's indulgence on this if it's been answered before. Thanks a million (hoping for the best!)

After running Audyssey, those settings are stored in the [Auto Setup - Parameter Check- Speaker Configuration Check] menu (p. 19) (where you looked), and are only changed when you run Audyssey again. They reflect the settings you can "RESTORE" to if necessary. While any manual changes you make after running Audyssey are stored in the [System Setup - Speaker Setup] menu (p. 83).
Edited by jdsmoothie - 12/15/12 at 7:31pm
post #16510 of 18966
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Originally Posted by rsmed1 View Post

I have the 2112ci and have been waiting for the new firmware update to get Pandora working again. I read where a lot of you got the 'notification' to update. I have yet to get the notification on my receiver that there is new firmware to update. I have the notifications set to 'on'. I even unplugged the receiver for about 15 minutes, then plugged it back in hoping to see the notification show up on the screen...but it didn't work. Any suggestions on how I can get the new firmware update if I'm not getting any notification that there is a new update? Thanks.

Can the AVR access the network for other network features? Try doing the network reset procedure noted in post #5 of this thread.
post #16511 of 18966
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

After running Audyssey, those settings are stored in the [Auto Setup - Parameter Check- Speaker Configuration Check] menu (p. 19) (where you looked), and are only changed when you run Audyssey again. They reflect the settings you can "RESTORE" to if necessary. While any manual changes you make after running Audyssey are stored in the [System Setup - Speaker Setup] menu (p. 83).

Okay. I think I get that - the parameters are set by Audyssey and can be overridden by the system setup>>speaker setup options. Thanks a million for the reply.

So, why are my main speakers still getting 20hz signal regardless of where the crossover is set? Mains are set small, crossover @ 80hz, sub set to LFE+Main

And are the settings global, or do they have to be set for each input? I think I'm so far off now I'm just going to reset everything and run auto-setup again.
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If you use LFE + Mains then the mains will also get low frequencies.

post #16513 of 18966
Hi,

I'm looking into buying a Denon Receiver (mainly AVR 1912 or 2312, I also checked out the new AVR xx13 line but they seem to have dropped seperate 2-channel-stereo setup for the midrange models?).

Basically my need is some qick control ober the subwoofer, i.e. I want to be able to quickly turn it down or even off while watching a movie or listening to music (in order to save peace with neighbours).

For two channel it seems I can configure a seperate speakersetup without sub. But what about normal/movie setup?

From judging the manuals it seems the sub can be turned off from the surround parameter (which is saved for each soundmode seperately?) while the level can be changed by using the CH LEVEL button on the remote. In the latter there's also an option to turn off the sub, but the manual states only in direct/2ch mode?

In the newer xx13 series it seems both turning off and adjusting the subs level can easily be done in the Audio Menu (though also here I'm unsure wheter this setting will be saved for each input and/or sound mode?).

So is there a quick way to turn off the sub no matter which input and soundmode I use?

One more question on the seperate 2ch-speaker-setup: The manual says somewhere, that afternchanging speakersetup Audyssey MultEQ, DynamicEQ and DynamicVolu,e cannot be used any more. does that mean after setting a separate 2ch-setup I loose all the advantages of Audyssey?

Thanks
Phil
post #16514 of 18966
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Originally Posted by Duke Broadway View Post

Tried a mono cable and still no dice. It odd that the emitter eyes will work when placed over the IR sensor but when plugged into the back. Would love the clean look of no emitter on the front. Any ideas? If not I guess its not the end of the world.

I have the 2112Ci. I use a Logitech IR repeater with the cable directly into the AVR without issues. On my setup, the connection with the Blaster unit is a bit touchy (mono cable with mini end into a mini-micro adapter at the Blaster side)

Dan
post #16515 of 18966
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Originally Posted by Puppetboy View Post

Okay. I think I get that - the parameters are set by Audyssey and can be overridden by the system setup>>speaker setup options. Thanks a million for the reply.
So, why are my main speakers still getting 20hz signal regardless of where the crossover is set? Mains are set small, crossover @ 80hz, sub set to LFE+Main
And are the settings global, or do they have to be set for each input? I think I'm so far off now I'm just going to reset everything and run auto-setup again.

Are you referring to surround sound audio or just 2CH audio? For surround sound audio the < 80Hz frequencies should be sent to the sub based on your setting SMALL/80Hz. The LFE+Main setting should only apply when the Front speakers are set to LARGE. However, the 2CH/Direct setting (p. 87) has the front speakers defaulting to LARGE and in that case they would play the full range signal as expected when the surround mode is set to STEREO.
post #16516 of 18966
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Originally Posted by pmcl77 View Post

Hi,
I'm looking into buying a Denon Receiver (mainly AVR 1912 or 2312, I also checked out the new AVR xx13 line but they seem to have dropped seperate 2-channel-stereo setup for the midrange models?).
Basically my need is some qick control ober the subwoofer, i.e. I want to be able to quickly turn it down or even off while watching a movie or listening to music (in order to save peace with neighbours).
For two channel it seems I can configure a seperate speakersetup without sub. But what about normal/movie setup?
From judging the manuals it seems the sub can be turned off from the surround parameter (which is saved for each soundmode seperately?) while the level can be changed by using the CH LEVEL button on the remote. In the latter there's also an option to turn off the sub, but the manual states only in direct/2ch mode?

In the newer xx13 series it seems both turning off and adjusting the subs level can easily be done in the Audio Menu (though also here I'm unsure wheter this setting will be saved for each input and/or sound mode?).
So is there a quick way to turn off the sub no matter which input and soundmode I use?
One more question on the seperate 2ch-speaker-setup: The manual says somewhere, that afternchanging speakersetup Audyssey MultEQ, DynamicEQ and DynamicVolu,e cannot be used any more. does that mean after setting a separate 2ch-setup I loose all the advantages of Audyssey?
Thanks
Phil

1. Correct. The custom 2CH/Direct settings on the XX12 models was dropped on the 2313CI and lower XX13 models.
2. Yes. Same applies for surround setup. Using the "CH Level" remote setting you can control the volume of the sub on the fly to include turning it completely off if desired. On the XX13 models you should also be able to do this using the "Subwoofer Level" GUI setting, and although it implies it can only be done in the DIRECT/PURE DIRECT modes, AFAIK you should be able to turn it ON/OFF in any surround mode.
3. What this means, is that if you "add" additional speakers to your setup (eg. going from 5.1 to 7.1), then a notice will be displayed indicating you have to run Audyssey again, otherwise the Audyssey features will be disabled.
post #16517 of 18966
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Originally Posted by Mrkazador View Post

If you use LFE + Mains then the mains will also get low frequencies.

I thought that meant that the subwoofer got the LFE signal + <80hz signal from the mains?
post #16518 of 18966
^^
It does ...
post #16519 of 18966
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Yup. Just Pandora. smile.gif

Thanks.
post #16520 of 18966
After having the 2112 setup for a day and trying to get the firmware update to work, it just out of nowhere found the new firmware while I was going through the menus. Now Pandora works. I have to say with everything setup including the outside zone 2 speakers and the AVR-Remote app on my Android phone this is pretty easy to use. Even my fiance is who is non tech savvy was surprised at how easy it is to use. She loves how we can have a movie playing and Xmas music playing outside while she paints!! Setting up the 2112 from the web browser is so nice!!

Now I have one last thing to tackle. I have the receiver sitting in a closet with HDMI into a plate with an IR receiver that goes into the living room with the same plate and IR transmitter. Seems like once I turned HDMI control to ON the signal is no longer sent to my TV to turn it on. But it seems like the TV is turning off when the receiver is turned off. I was wondering if it's possible to have the 2112 fully control the power on/off of my LG 55" TV with Simplink? I would rather not use the IR if I don't have to, as the placement on the TV is sort of ugly even after finding somewhere I can partially mount on the back of the TV. Anyone with an LG TV able to get this to work?

On a sidenote, I am using a Harmony Link to control everything and I asked Logitech about the remote settings for using the Link device. Turns out to control Zone 2 with it, you have to setup a 2nd receiver in the device options in the MyHarmony system which will control Zone 2. I think I like the AVR-Remote app better though for that function.
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I recently purchased a AVR-1712. If I connect a DVR, PS3, and Xbox 360 to the 1712 via HDMI and then run a single HDMI cable to my Panasonic ST50 would that provide the same picture quality (PQ) as running each device separately to the TV via HDMI?
post #16522 of 18966
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

I recently purchased a AVR-1712. If I connect a DVR, PS3, and Xbox 360 to the 1712 via HDMI and then run a single HDMI cable to my Panasonic ST50 would that provide the same picture quality (PQ) as running each device separately to the TV via HDMI?

Yes, unless your receiver is broken.
post #16523 of 18966
Had my 1712 for a month now and have been loving it, except for the bass. I normally like a bit extra bass, but since changing from my old Onkyo, it's overbearing to the point of taking me out of the movie I'm watching. I just tried to watch the Lord of the Rings bluray and had to turn the volume down considerably. Here's the setup.

PS3 bitstreaming to 1712 via HDMI
A few year old Bic H-100
Audyssey auto on receiver
channel level -12 on reciever
Crossover set to 80hz, speaker set to small
Crossover disabled on back of the sub
Volume knob on sub turned to 3/10

Thoughts? I've changed to reference offset to 10 db, even though I like having the surrounds more active on 0db. I don't know what else it might be, and the fact it's this loud, even with the receiver sub level at -12 concerns me.
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Originally Posted by nozerider View Post

Had my 1712 for a month now and have been loving it, except for the bass. I normally like a bit extra bass, but since changing from my old Onkyo, it's overbearing to the point of taking me out of the movie I'm watching. I just tried to watch the Lord of the Rings bluray and had to turn the volume down considerably. Here's the setup.
PS3 bitstreaming to 1712 via HDMI
A few year old Bic H-100
Audyssey auto on receiver
channel level -12 on reciever
Crossover set to 80hz, speaker set to small
Crossover disabled on back of the sub
Volume knob on sub turned to 3/10
Thoughts? I've changed to reference offset to 10 db, even though I like having the surrounds more active on 0db. I don't know what else it might be, and the fact it's this loud, even with the receiver sub level at -12 concerns me.

 

One post is enough... Anyways, what did Audyssey set your sub trim to after calibration? Boominess can be a crossover issue, placement, or just a bad sub design.

post #16525 of 18966
Quote:
PS3 bitstreaming to 1712 via HDMI
A few year old Bic H-100
Audyssey auto on receiver
channel level -12 on reciever
Crossover set to 80hz, speaker set to small
Crossover disabled on back of the sub
Volume knob on sub turned to 3/10

Thoughts? I've changed to reference offset to 10 db, even though I like having the surrounds more active on 0db. I don't know what else it might be, and the fact it's this loud, even with the receiver sub level at -12 concerns me.

if your sub level is at -12 then you still need to turn down the volume on the actual sub, maybe to 1 or 2.

Then run Audyssey again.
post #16526 of 18966
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

I recently purchased a AVR-1712. If I connect a DVR, PS3, and Xbox 360 to the 1712 via HDMI and then run a single HDMI cable to my Panasonic ST50 would that provide the same picture quality (PQ) as running each device separately to the TV via HDMI?

It should yes as there is no video card in the 1712. The only difference being that with each individual source going to the TV, you could (if you wanted) make adjustements to each source's video signal if desired.
post #16527 of 18966
Sorry about the triple post, phone issue.

I just set the ref to 2 and will rerun. Any other settings I should look out for? DRC and night time related modes are off. Cinema eq is on, and the audyssey related EQ is on too.
post #16528 of 18966
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Originally Posted by nozerider View Post

I've had my 1712 for about a month and have been enjoying it, except for one thing, the bass is too damn loud. I just tried to watch the opening to The Lord of the rings and it was undesirable. The bass completely drowned out the other sound.
Ps3 hooked to Denon via HDMI
A few year old Bic H-100 sub
Reference offset 10db
Sub level -12 on receiver
Crossover set to 80
Sub crossover turned off
Sub volume 4/12
Thoughts? It's so boomy it's irritating. It was never this bad with my old Onkyo.

Take a look at the Audyssey 101/FAQ linked in my sig as many Audyssey setup related questions are answered there. One of the things you will learn is that when the sub (or any speaker for that matter) is set to -12db, it means the AVR has maxed out its capability to attenuate the sub to calibrate it down to the 75db test tone (ie. the sub is TOO LOUD). So as suggested above, lower the sub gain down to about 1 or 2 or until you get a reading of between roughly -3db and 0db. Doing so then gives you more room to lower it even further using the "CH Level" button on the remote if you prefer. You may also want to set Dyn EQ to OFF as that is boosting the bass as well.
post #16529 of 18966
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Originally Posted by Mrkazador

If you use LFE + Mains then the mains will also get low frequencies.

I thought that meant that the subwoofer got the LFE signal + <80hz signal from the mains?[quote name="jdsmoothie" url="/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/16500#post_22710364"
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It does ...[/quote]

Now you lost me... do you mean that LFE + Mains sends LF signal to the sub but does not CUT the LF signal from the mains? So "LFE" only is the sub setting I want if I want to use the crossover properly?
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Originally Posted by Puppetboy View Post
Now you lost me... do you mean that LFE + Mains sends LF signal to the sub but does not CUT the LF signal from the mains?

Right.

 

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So "LFE" only is the sub setting I want if I want to use the crossover properly?

Right.

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