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post #16651 of 17928
12/25/12 at 2:26am
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Originally Posted by jfried View Post

New (to me) 2312.... I have trouble accessing the Menu - I can always go into the menu if I am listening to internet radio, but when one of my other 2 inputs is selected (player and TV tuner) the receiver ignores my button press for 'Menu'.

Just a wild shot, but do you press the "AMP" button before pressing MENU?
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post #16652 of 17928
12/25/12 at 7:41am
I just tried that and I got the menu! What - I didn't read that anywhere, explain please? Also, since the update, no airplay. I saw the Denon on my iPhone and Macs as an airplay option, but now I don't. Internet radio works fine, so the network appears to be OK. Thanks for your help, and Merry Christmas!

John F
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post #16653 of 17928
12/25/12 at 7:54am
p. 87 in your Owner's manual as well as further described in the below post ....

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_B2

Airplay icon issue discussed ....

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_L1
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post #16654 of 17928
12/25/12 at 8:54am
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Just a wild shot, but do you press the "AMP" button before pressing MENU?
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Originally Posted by jfried View Post

I just tried that and I got the menu! What - I didn't read that anywhere, explain please?

I have a Yamaha AVR that requires the same kind of prep, so that's what first occurred to me. Seems unnatural I know.
I hate it when "normal" remote operations are sacrificed for the sake of making it a so-called universal remote.
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post #16655 of 17928
12/25/12 at 11:00am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Not sure what's up with the single speaker audio, but Zone 2 has some limitations ...
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_M

Uh oh. Thats bad news. If you dont have ideas Im in trouble! smile.gif

Any ideas how to troubleshoot this?

When I set it for Speaker B settings, it outputs to both so its not a wiring issue.

Is there something about Zone 2 that might for some reason make it think there is only one speaker connected? I dont think I saw any speaker balance issues but is there somewhere to check whether in Zone 2 there is maybe some setting shutting off one of the speakers, or somewhere where it just may not be recognizing?
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post #16656 of 17928
12/25/12 at 11:15am
Reading this further...I am passing sound via HDMI to the receiver from my blu ray. So I guess the issue may be that Zone 2 does not accept HDMI properly?

In this instance it is getting some sound (1 speaker) but I guess the HDMI hook up may be why its not on both...?
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post #16657 of 17928
12/25/12 at 3:30pm
Thank for the help you've given me with the AirPlay and accessing the menu on the remote. I'm going to do a lot of reading...

John F
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post #16658 of 17928
12/25/12 at 7:14pm
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Originally Posted by lirong View Post

Reading this further...I am passing sound via HDMI to the receiver from my blu ray. So I guess the issue may be that Zone 2 does not accept HDMI properly?
In this instance it is getting some sound (1 speaker) but I guess the HDMI hook up may be why its not on both...?

Correct. HDMI audio will not pass to Zone 2. For that you must set them to Front B, although doing so will lose the independent source/volume capability for those speakers.
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post #16659 of 17928
12/26/12 at 11:19am
I have read up on i/p scaler and I can not figure if there is any benefit using it with my setup. I have a Denon 3312, Oppo 103 Universal player, Panasonic TC-P60GT50 plasma HDTV and Comcast DVR. What if any is the best i/p scaler setting for me? Thanks.

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post #16660 of 17928
12/26/12 at 11:37am
You first have to compare to see which device does the best job in your eyes ... the source device, the AVR, or your TV and if no real difference then simply set the "i/P scaler" setting to OFF.
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post #16661 of 17928
12/26/12 at 6:42pm
Very nice (& complex) 2312ci. Have run Audyssey at 8 positions, using a boom mic stand centred around the main listening position, and for me the sound is too bright ("sound that emphasizes the upper midrange/lower treble"). On some material there is vocal sibilance.

Id like a simple way to keep the Audyssey settings and simply reduce the level of the frequencies 6Khz through 10khz or perhaps higher.

1. If I use "Manual EQ" and start with "Copy the Curve" - it says it will offer to "set EQ curve to Audyssey Flat - yes/no" - do manual EQ adjustments I make after that, act on the Audyssey results, or on the prior-to-Audyssey default frequency/level settings?

2. What does "Audyssey Flat" - "optimise freqy response of all speakers to flat response" - actually mean ? Turns Audyssey off?, or ?

3. Can I revert from Manual EQ to my previous Audyssey settings without rerunning Audyssey again?
The first time i did this it seemed i lost the Audyssey settings and had to redo them later. Id like to quickly tweak the post-Audyssey EQ results without rerunning it each time.

Thanks.
Edited by chrisbbb - 12/26/12 at 7:44pm
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post #16662 of 17928
12/26/12 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post


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Originally Posted by johnnyletrois View Post

Thanks for the clarification.


Just finished running AUTO SETUP. Wow, what a difference! There's the sound I was looking for!


Thanks!


Great! Keep in mind that you cannot use either Audyssey Dyn EQ or Dyn Vol without first running AUTO SETUP. This is important because if you demo an AVR (any brand) in a Best Buy, they will not have run the EQ program (eg. Audyssey) so what you end up with in your own home should sound even better after AUTO SETUP has been run.

Hello everyone.

I just got the Denon 1712.

I have several questions:

1) Can I run the auto setup with two speakers only? I am only playing a cd player for the time being so just need stereo two channel sound.

2) Can I run the auto setup with two main speakers and a sub only?

3) What if I have connected two speakers and a sub only and the sub is connected via speaker level inputs only and NOT via subwoofer cable connected to LFE output of AVR? Can I still run the auto setup?

Thank you for any advice.
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post #16663 of 17928
12/26/12 at 8:06pm
1) Can I run the auto setup with two speakers only? YES
2) Can I run the auto setup with two main speakers and a sub only? YES
3) Not sure. Probably.
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post #16664 of 17928
12/26/12 at 8:10pm
I tried using airplay tonight on iTunes with my Windows 7 x64 pc. It ended up playing music through the receiver but now the sound is all screwed up. I try to turn the volume up and down on the receiver and that does nothing now. Also everything is playing just out of one speaker. I turn the volume up a few notches and the sound comes a little bit through the center speaker. Everything has been working great the past couple of days. And now this. I also reset the receiver and the issue is still here. Any ideas on what I can do to fix this? I think airplay is the problem. Removed itunes as well and still same issue.

Let me add that the test tones work right through each speaker.
Edited by travanx - 12/26/12 at 8:28pm
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post #16665 of 17928
12/26/12 at 9:08pm
I have a laptop connected to HDMI2 input (DVD) on 3312ci receiver and TV is also connected to the receiver which is fine.

Now, before a power outage:
Audio + Video was playing from all the speakers connected to the receiver for anything that plays on laptop.

After the power outage:
Only Video plays on the TV and all the audio comes only on the TV (and not the speakers) for anything that plays on the laptop.

I have not changed anything before and after the power outage but suddenly audio is NOT passing to the speakers and only TV is playing the audio. Is there something missing that I need to reconfigure for audio from the laptop to play through the speakers?

Thank you in anticipation for the help and tips.
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post #16666 of 17928
12/26/12 at 9:28pm
I got a few questions regarding the AVR-1712.

I have only 4 speakers setup - 2x Accusound floor speakers for fronts (quite old but in good condition); and 2x Polk audio RTi4 speakers for surround speakers.

1- is it possible to have 2-channel stereo output from the surround speakers only? the surround are much newer and may sound better, but are bookshelf speakers and therefore are used for the surround, but when I want to listen to music, i would like to use the surround speakers only.

2- watching a bluRay (mkv file) from me PLay Station media server, the sound options only give me "stereo multi channel" options. Why can I not select dolby digital, or other surround sound options? 2 channel surround is not actual surround sound.

3- many of my tv channels only play on 2 channels not surround even though it is on HDMI (MTS Ultimate TV) and set for dolby digital. Sometimes the surround speakers work, sometimes time they dont.

Any insight and thoughts would be appreciated.
thanks.
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post #16667 of 17928
12/26/12 at 11:39pm
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Originally Posted by travanx View Post

I tried using airplay tonight on iTunes with my Windows 7 x64 pc. It ended up playing music through the receiver but now the sound is all screwed up. I try to turn the volume up and down on the receiver and that does nothing now. Also everything is playing just out of one speaker. I turn the volume up a few notches and the sound comes a little bit through the center speaker. Everything has been working great the past couple of days. And now this. I also reset the receiver and the issue is still here. Any ideas on what I can do to fix this? I think airplay is the problem. Removed itunes as well and still same issue.
Let me add that the test tones work right through each speaker.

The only fix that worked was reset the router, reset the PC, unplug everything from the receiver, and reset the microprocessor on the receiver. Let sit unplugged for 10 minutes and it works again. I feel older from the few hours trying to search google and try different things. So when it doesn't work unplug everything and reset.
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post #16668 of 17928
12/27/12 at 2:47am
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Originally Posted by chrisbbb View Post

Very nice (& complex) 2312ci. Have run Audyssey at 8 positions, using a boom mic stand centred around the main listening position, and for me the sound is too bright ("sound that emphasizes the upper midrange/lower treble"). On some material there is vocal sibilance.
Id like a simple way to keep the Audyssey settings and simply reduce the level of the frequencies 6Khz through 10khz or perhaps higher.
1. If I use "Manual EQ" and start with "Copy the Curve" - it says it will offer to "set EQ curve to Audyssey Flat - yes/no" - do manual EQ adjustments I make after that, act on the Audyssey results, or on the prior-to-Audyssey default frequency/level settings?
2. What does "Audyssey Flat" - "optimise freqy response of all speakers to flat response" - actually mean ? Turns Audyssey off?, or ?
3. Can I revert from Manual EQ to my previous Audyssey settings without rerunning Audyssey again?
The first time i did this it seemed i lost the Audyssey settings and had to redo them later. Id like to quickly tweak the post-Audyssey EQ results without rerunning it each time.
Thanks.

1. No, the changes you make in the Manual EQ only effect the Manual EQ curve ... Audyssey is disabled when this setting is used.
2. The regular Audyssey curve rolls off the higher frequencies (industry standard for movies) whereas the Audyssey Flat curve does no such roll off which "may" be a better setting for music listening and in smaller rooms for all listening.
3. Yes as you cannot edit the Audyssey curve.
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post #16669 of 17928
12/27/12 at 2:51am
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Originally Posted by Carlos_ View Post

Hello everyone.
I just got the Denon 1712.
I have several questions:
1) Can I run the auto setup with two speakers only? I am only playing a cd player for the time being so just need stereo two channel sound.
2) Can I run the auto setup with two main speakers and a sub only?
3) What if I have connected two speakers and a sub only and the sub is connected via speaker level inputs only and NOT via subwoofer cable connected to LFE output of AVR? Can I still run the auto setup?
Thank you for any advice.

1. Yes, 2.0 or larger setup.
2. Yes.
3. Yes, although the AVR will not detect the sub as it is simply an extension of the FL/FR speakers in this configuration and therefore the AVR will set the sub to NO. Note this configuration is NOT recommended as there are 8x more Audyssey sub control points used than speaker control points.
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post #16670 of 17928
12/27/12 at 2:57am
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Originally Posted by 10credi View Post

I have a laptop connected to HDMI2 input (DVD) on 3312ci receiver and TV is also connected to the receiver which is fine.
Now, before a power outage:
Audio + Video was playing from all the speakers connected to the receiver for anything that plays on laptop.
After the power outage:
Only Video plays on the TV and all the audio comes only on the TV (and not the speakers) for anything that plays on the laptop.
I have not changed anything before and after the power outage but suddenly audio is NOT passing to the speakers and only TV is playing the audio. Is there something missing that I need to reconfigure for audio from the laptop to play through the speakers?
Thank you in anticipation for the help and tips.

A sudden power outage has been known to revert some settings to a prior configuration. With the laptop source selected, check to ensure the "HDMI Audio Out" setting (p. 108 OM) is set to "AMP" and not "TV", or if you use a Quick Select setting to turn the AVR on and select the laptop source, you may need to rememorize the Quick Select again.
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post #16671 of 17928
12/27/12 at 3:06am
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Originally Posted by iamkalive View Post

I got a few questions regarding the AVR-1712.
I have only 4 speakers setup - 2x Accusound floor speakers for fronts (quite old but in good condition); and 2x Polk audio RTi4 speakers for surround speakers.
1- is it possible to have 2-channel stereo output from the surround speakers only? the surround are much newer and may sound better, but are bookshelf speakers and therefore are used for the surround, but when I want to listen to music, i would like to use the surround speakers only.
2- watching a bluRay (mkv file) from me PLay Station media server, the sound options only give me "stereo multi channel" options. Why can I not select dolby digital, or other surround sound options? 2 channel surround is not actual surround sound.
3- many of my tv channels only play on 2 channels not surround even though it is on HDMI (MTS Ultimate TV) and set for dolby digital. Sometimes the surround speakers work, sometimes time they dont.
Any insight and thoughts would be appreciated.
thanks.

1. No. Rather you would need to move them to the Surr Back/Amp Assign speaker posts and set AMP ASSIGN to "Front B" to use them for music listening only, although doing so would then limit you to only stereo in the main zone rather than the current 4.0. Just add another set of RTi4's if you want to keep the 4.0 setup.
2. The AVR can only play what it receives. The PS3 may only see the .mkv as a stereo file. Make sure the PS3 is set to "bitstream" and not "LPCM".
3. Not all HD shows are broadcast in DD 5.1; however, when only 2CH stereo is received by the AVR, you should still be able to use DD PLII to simulate audio to the surround speakers (ie. when a 2CH signal is received, press the MOVIE button on the remote and select DD PLII - Cinema).
Edited by jdsmoothie - 12/27/12 at 3:11am
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post #16672 of 17928
12/27/12 at 10:18am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

1. No. Rather you would need to move them to the Surr Back/Amp Assign speaker posts and set AMP ASSIGN to "Front B" to use them for music listening only, although doing so would then limit you to only stereo in the main zone rather than the current 4.0. Just add another set of RTi4's if you want to keep the 4.0 setup.
2. The AVR can only play what it receives. The PS3 may only see the .mkv as a stereo file. Make sure the PS3 is set to "bitstream" and not "LPCM".
3. Not all HD shows are broadcast in DD 5.1; however, when only 2CH stereo is received by the AVR, you should still be able to use DD PLII to simulate audio to the surround speakers (ie. when a 2CH signal is received, press the MOVIE button on the remote and select DD PLII - Cinema).


My Accusound speakers are model AS 40PL, so basically they are a 3 way speaker (Looks like this http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/87439-accusound_qs3700_3_way_speaker_system/images/79696/)
The sound on there speakers isn't the "loudest" or "crispest", seems to be good for bass and lows.

1- Would it make any sense to put these floor speakers as my surrounds, and use the Polk Audio speakers as my front speakers, even though they are tiny in comparison? I always thought you wanted to clear highs coming out of the front speakers.

2- is there any settings i can adjust to have proper sound output from the various speakers. I Wasn't too impressed with the Audyssey sound setup thing. It seemed to have lowered the front channel loudness quite a bit, and the sound seems soft in the first place with those speakers. I went to manually adjust these settings, so more sound is coming out of front speaker (+8.0db), and less in the surround speakers (-1.0db). Fronts already seem soft.

I was able to change PS3 audiosettings to only have the dolby digital and the next one selected (top 2 options), this allowed me to to select Dolby PLII; Dolby Pro Logic; DTS NEo:6 Cinema (mind you this was only tested on a BluRay Disc, as opposed to an MKV file, which I will test later, but this option only became available on only after unticking all the PMC audio channels). I selected to use Dolby PLII..following this selection, I then adjusted channel levels - where fronts are set to +4.0db and rears are set to +3.5db.

I definitely think this system has a lot more to offer, I just dont have it set up optimally yet, and the Audyssey doesn't seem to be helping that much..
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12/27/12 at 10:19am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

A sudden power outage has been known to revert some settings to a prior configuration. With the laptop source selected, check to ensure the "HDMI Audio Out" setting (p. 108 OM) is set to "AMP" and not "TV", or if you use a Quick Select setting to turn the AVR on and select the laptop source, you may need to rememorize the Quick Select again.

Thank you jdsmoothie for your quick response.

HDMI Audio Out is set to "AMP" and I use the power on button on the remote to turn on the AVR and Standby to turn it off. YOu have any other ideas?
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post #16674 of 17928
12/27/12 at 10:56am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

1. Yes, 2.0 or larger setup.
2. Yes.
3. Yes, although the AVR will not detect the sub as it is simply an extension of the FL/FR speakers in this configuration and therefore the AVR will set the sub to NO. Note this configuration is NOT recommended as there are 8x more Audyssey sub control points used than speaker control points.

jdsmoothie:

Thank you for your response. This is a lot of help.

I have several more questions:

1) Is running the auto setup and running Audyssey the same thing or two different things? Or is running Audyssey part of running auto setup?

2) What do you mean when you say "this configuration is NOT recommended as there are 8x more Audyssey sub control points used than speaker control points?

3) Can i run Auto setup or Audyssey or both if I don't have the receiver hooked up to an HDMI TV? I do not have an HDMI TV right now. Can i run the auto setup or Audyssey or both by just looking at the display panel of the Denon 1712?
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post #16675 of 17928
12/27/12 at 12:06pm
I'm sure this has been asked, but I can't find a straight answer.

Is it possible to watch a program from the cable box (HDMI1) while listening to, say Pandora from the 3312 at the same time? I see that there is a video source selector option but changing it while listening to Pandora does nothing - or at least, it doesn't give me the video input from the cable box.

From what I've gathered, you can watch HDMI from one source while listening to analog audio from another - such as watching football from the cable box (HDMI1) but listen to music coming from the CD player hooked up via RCA. Unfortunately, I don't have any analog sources in the livingroom (CD's play through the PS3 via HDMI and iPhone/iPod play through the NET/USB input).
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post #16676 of 17928
12/27/12 at 12:13pm
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_E12
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post #16677 of 17928
12/27/12 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by Carlos_ View Post

jdsmoothie:
Thank you for your response. This is a lot of help.
I have several more questions:
1) Is running the auto setup and running Audyssey the same thing or two different things? Or is running Audyssey part of running auto setup?
2) What do you mean when you say "this configuration is NOT recommended as there are 8x more Audyssey sub control points used than speaker control points?
3) Can i run Auto setup or Audyssey or both if I don't have the receiver hooked up to an HDMI TV? I do not have an HDMI TV right now. Can i run the auto setup or Audyssey or both by just looking at the display panel of the Denon 1712?

1. Same thing more or less .. Audyssey is part of the Auto Setup process.
2. It's better to connect the sub to the sub pre-out and the speakers to the FL/FR speaker posts so the sub gets EQ'd separately from the speakers.
3. Sure, but you won't see the display information other than on the AVR's front panels display which can be tricky. If it's too difficult, do you have a computer monitor that accepts HDMI input, or perhaps you can borrow one?
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12/27/12 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by 10credi View Post

Thank you jdsmoothie for your quick response.
HDMI Audio Out is set to "AMP" and I use the power on button on the remote to turn on the AVR and Standby to turn it off. YOu have any other ideas?

Try connecting the HTPC to the other HDMI inputs to see if perhaps the issue is just with that particular input as it may have gotten damaged from the power outage.
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post #16679 of 17928
12/27/12 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by iamkalive View Post

My Accusound speakers are model AS 40PL, so basically they are a 3 way speaker (Looks like this http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/87439-accusound_qs3700_3_way_speaker_system/images/79696/)
The sound on there speakers isn't the "loudest" or "crispest", seems to be good for bass and lows.
1- Would it make any sense to put these floor speakers as my surrounds, and use the Polk Audio speakers as my front speakers, even though they are tiny in comparison? I always thought you wanted to clear highs coming out of the front speakers.
2- is there any settings i can adjust to have proper sound output from the various speakers. I Wasn't too impressed with the Audyssey sound setup thing. It seemed to have lowered the front channel loudness quite a bit, and the sound seems soft in the first place with those speakers. I went to manually adjust these settings, so more sound is coming out of front speaker (+8.0db), and less in the surround speakers (-1.0db). Fronts already seem soft.
I was able to change PS3 audiosettings to only have the dolby digital and the next one selected (top 2 options), this allowed me to to select Dolby PLII; Dolby Pro Logic; DTS NEo:6 Cinema (mind you this was only tested on a BluRay Disc, as opposed to an MKV file, which I will test later, but this option only became available on only after unticking all the PMC audio channels). I selected to use Dolby PLII..following this selection, I then adjusted channel levels - where fronts are set to +4.0db and rears are set to +3.5db.
I definitely think this system has a lot more to offer, I just dont have it set up optimally yet, and the Audyssey doesn't seem to be helping that much..

1. No.
2. Audyssey sets up the speakers such that the audio you hear is what the mixer intended you to hear (ie. no bloated bass that many are accustomed to with older model receivers with no auto EQ). Return the speaker levels to their original settings and try to adjust to fthese settings for a couple of weeks. If after that period you still prefer the louder FL/FR settings and lower surrounds then go for it as doing so will not impact the Audyssey filtering process.

Based on the audio choices you listed when receiving the PS3 audio, it means the PS3 was only sending a stereo signal, so you need to reset the PS3 while connected to the AVR.
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12/27/12 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Try connecting the HTPC to the other HDMI inputs to see if perhaps the issue is just with that particular input as it may have gotten damaged from the power outage.

Thank you jdsmoothie.

Tried three other hdmi inputs and same thing. video is fine and audio is coming out of TV only.
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