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post #16741 of 18963
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Originally Posted by eaadams View Post

I need some help. Just got some Astro A50 headphones. I want to use them with both my Cable Box and Game Console. Any way to get my 2112ci to pass the digital signal audio through on the HDMI so I can still use the reciever as HDMI switch and then have the A50's work with my TIVO's HDMI and my Xbox's HDMI?
The A50s have optical in and I've had bad experiences with audio delay and optical. So I'm not so sure...

You could use a 4x2 HDMI switch between the sources and the AVR.
post #16742 of 18963
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Originally Posted by NateTTU View Post

I have a problem that should have a simple solution, but I'm having a little trouble figuring out on my own. I have a Denon 3312CI in my living room and I have a Wii hooked up via RCA inputs (yellow, red, white) on the composite (RCA) input BD. I set this input up under "Game 1" and renamed it to Wii.
Under Source Select I manually setup the Input Assign to none for HDMI, Digital, and Comp and under Video it is set to BD.
So far I can get the picture, but no sound at all. Is there some other setting I am just missing to force the receiver to use the RCA audio inputs that go along with my BD RCA input?
Thanks in advance for any help.

Note also you can use a Wii2HDMI to make the configuration setup a bit easier.

http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-1080P-Output-Upscaling-Converter/dp/B007PY3ZPG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1357208668&sr=8-2&keywords=wii2hdmi
post #16743 of 18963
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Originally Posted by islanderman View Post

I'm not sure if this is where I'm supposed to post an issue with my avr-1612 but here goes. It is with the ipod connection. It seems that the connection works for a while, then out of the blue there is no connection able to be made with the ipod or iphone for charging. I end up having to unplug the receiver and when it come back online everything is back to normal. Anybody know what could be causing this?

Perhaps you could clarify what the issue is here?
post #16744 of 18963
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Connect the HD to the xBox and the xBox to the 1712.

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

The 1712 has neither a network port nor a USB port, so you have no options other than using an external device to serve as the "conduit" for the music. Video game systems, blu-ray players, and dedicated media devices like a WDTV or Squeezebox will offer this capability. From there, the audio gets output to the receiver just like any other device, using either HDMI, digital optical/coax, or analog audio output.
So as far as the receiver is concerned, it's a non issue. The question is what OTHER device will you have in the chain that can handle the task.

Thanks.

I have an xbox 360 and PS3.

To play .flac music files would I be able to connect my laptop directly to the 1712 using this?
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10218&cs_id=1021815&p_id=5599&seq=1&format=2
If so would the quality of my sound card come into play or is it bypassed?

Another option I thought of is laptop>360/PS3>1712. Doable?

If you just go with an RCA cable connection like the one you linked (mini-jack headphone output to RCA analog) then you are essentially subject to the sound quality of the internal sound card on the laptop. Streaming wirelessly through an intermediary device like the PS3 is also more convenient of course.

You should probably engage in a comparison on your own, seeing if you can tell the difference in sound quality between the various options. Be aware when trying to do this that there are a lot of settings that can affect this, like Dynamic EQ/Volume, Restorer, etc. so try and make sure that you are doing an apples-to-apples comp. The easiest way is to just engage DIRECT mode for whatever input method you are testing to eliminate any digital processing on the Denon side.

There will also be settings on the output side that could affect sound quality, like the volume slider on your laptop, the output sampling options on the PS3, etc. so it can be a bit tricky. The bottom line is that you should experiment and find a solution that's the best compromise for you in terms of convenience, sound quality, etc.
post #16745 of 18963
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

You could use a 4x2 HDMI switch between the sources and the AVR.

Thanks your post led me to a number of 4x2 posts. Now I have to figure out if they will pass through hdmi audio even if the toslink is outputting.
post #16746 of 18963
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Interesting to note there's a guy with a Marantz 1603 having the same issue with his HTPC only playing to the TV speakers. He noted that although the "HDMI Audio Out" setting is set to "AMP" the setting is greyed out so cannot be changed. Can you change this setting or is it greyed out as well? If the former try changing it to TV and then back to AMP again. Otherwise next step is a soft reset (unplug power cable for a few minutes) and if still no joy, then SAVE the config.dat file to the HTPC using the Web Control feature (p. 80 OM) ....and after reviewing the link below, reset the microprocessor (p. 149).
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_E10
Edit: Update .... without doing either reset, the 1603 owner was able to get the HTPC audio back to the AVR by cycling the HDMI Control setting from ON ---> OFF ---> ON again and that resolved his issue. Give that a try.

Sorry for the late response. Here is how the issue was resolved:

1. Updated Firmware (which I am sure had nothing to do with it)
2. Restarted the laptop and the receiver (maybe this resolved it but still a maybe since I had done this already earlier)
3. reconfigured the speaker setup using audyssey (maybe this was it)
4. reconfigured the laptop with my speaker configuration (3.1) for sound output.

Thank you jdsmoothie for all your tips
post #16747 of 18963
Hello, funny this was posted but I am having a similar issue with a bit of a wrinkle I think. I am trying to do this with zone 2.

Here is my setup. Windows vista pc connected via HDMI to the 2112ci and sound works great, sub is working
In the same room I have extra sets of speakers (large room) that are hooked up to zone 2, from the PC side I have a plug in the speaker jack that separates front left / right into 2 rca plugs, I have them connected to the 'CD' inputs on the avr. I have zone 2 setup to use the CD source and I hear the music when I play it from the PC, however no sub used??? Its in the room so I hoped that would work, maybe it is not possible on zone 2? In the 'speaker setup' the sub is set to LFE+main, and all speakers are small, 80 crossover. In the 'audio setup' with 2ch Direct/Stereo it is setup the same way.

So basically my question Is if it possible to output audio from speaker jack of computer, split the audio into right and left and pass it into the "CD" right and left RCA inputs and get the avr to use the sub to engage on its own without having a discrete connection for it.

I do have an output for the sub on the jack panel on the back of the computer, however I don't really have a place to input that line on the unit.... either HDMI or just speaker inputs I see.

I am thinking I could also use the optical cable and just swap over to optical on the computer when I listen to CDs and that might work if I setup the input to use the optical input??

I know this is a lot to take in but any help appreciated.
post #16748 of 18963
The sub plays in the main zone setup, while your other speakers are in Zone 2.
post #16749 of 18963
so your saying that it is not possible for this receiver to use the sub in zone 2 in any way.
post #16750 of 18963
Thread Starter 
No. Zone 2 is meant for a separate room. It's an independent stereo signal path. You can add a different sub for zone 2 but you can't use the main zone sub.
post #16751 of 18963
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

No. Zone 2 is meant for a separate room. It's an independent stereo signal path. You can add a different sub for zone 2 but you can't use the main zone sub.

just so i get this straight. with my 1712 i can wire a couple speakers on zone 2 and the 1712 will power them? or will i need to buy a separate amp and somehow connect that to the 1712 and the speakers.

also, can i be watching 5.1 movie in the living room and listening to music on zone 2 (say the backyard) at the same time? when entertaining etc.

if my 1712 cant do all that i can just buy one of those $100 sherwood stereo receivers from amazon.
post #16752 of 18963
I don't know about the 1712, but the 2112ci can do exactly that, both ways, add an amp or just reconfigure the internal amps to power zone 2, one of the reasons I bought that model. I assume here batpig that your saying to add a sub to zone 2 you need to use the sub rca outs to some of amplifier that has a sub channel, and you can hook the sub to that.

Note - I also found out through some research it looks like you can use windows 7 and the 'stereo mix' to mix the HDMI output with the speaker out and I would get exactly what I was after, both sound outputs working at the same time and the sub would get included. Unfortunately I have vista, not allowed there. Vista..... frown.gif limitations

Looks like an upgrade is in my future.
post #16753 of 18963
Has anyone been able to pass 720p @ 120 hz through an xx12 model?

Is there an EDID hack that will allow it?

Thanks,
Jason
post #16754 of 18963
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

If you just go with an RCA cable connection like the one you linked (mini-jack headphone output to RCA analog) then you are essentially subject to the sound quality of the internal sound card on the laptop. Streaming wirelessly through an intermediary device like the PS3 is also more convenient of course.
You should probably engage in a comparison on your own, seeing if you can tell the difference in sound quality between the various options. Be aware when trying to do this that there are a lot of settings that can affect this, like Dynamic EQ/Volume, Restorer, etc. so try and make sure that you are doing an apples-to-apples comp. The easiest way is to just engage DIRECT mode for whatever input method you are testing to eliminate any digital processing on the Denon side.
There will also be settings on the output side that could affect sound quality, like the volume slider on your laptop, the output sampling options on the PS3, etc. so it can be a bit tricky. The bottom line is that you should experiment and find a solution that's the best compromise for you in terms of convenience, sound quality, etc.

Thanks for the info. I would like it if the laptop sound card wasn't part of the equation. Though my Sony VAIO F Series is touted as a multimedia laptop the sound card isn't that great. I can't really discern the difference between mp3 and flac, which is something I could easily tell the difference between on my gaming pc, which unfortunately went kaput.

I'll mess around with different setups to see if can do the flac files justice.
post #16755 of 18963
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Originally Posted by bradymartin View Post

just so i get this straight. with my 1712 i can wire a couple speakers on zone 2 and the 1712 will power them? or will i need to buy a separate amp and somehow connect that to the 1712 and the speakers.
also, can i be watching 5.1 movie in the living room and listening to music on zone 2 (say the backyard) at the same time? when entertaining etc.

Correct. As is the case with any Denon 7.1 AVR (to include the 1712), with a 5.1 setup in the main zone, the AVR can still power a second set of stereo speakers in Zone 2 with independent source/volume control. Note however, that only analog connected sources (ie. no HDMI) can pass to Zone 2.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_M
post #16756 of 18963
Apple's Pandora-like iRadio Service to Launch in 2013?

http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/03/apples-pandora-like-iradio-service-to-launch-in-2013/

If this iRadio happens, can/ will denon update their firmware to let it work?
Or would you have to buy the new model?
post #16757 of 18963
@bradymartin:

The 1712 can power the zone 2 speakers with its own amps (restricts you to 5.1 in the main zone by doing so) but it doesn't have preouts for powering a zone 2 amp, if you wanted to go that way. The higher models have both options.
post #16758 of 18963
okay this is a really noob question and I can't find a solid answer.

If I connect a Nintendo Wii (analog video and audio cables) I only get sound. I am trying to have it output through HDMI.
I have a denon 1612. I know it doesn't have component inputs but it has analog inputs. So what gives?

How can I get picture via HDMI out connected with analog in? Because all my other systems, satellite/bluray/etc are connected via HDMI.
post #16759 of 18963
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Originally Posted by unr1 View Post

okay this is a really noob question and I can't find a solid answer.
If I connect a Nintendo Wii (analog video and audio cables) I only get sound. I am trying to have it output through HDMI.
I have a denon 1612. I know it doesn't have component inputs but it has analog inputs. So what gives?
How can I get picture via HDMI out connected with analog in? Because all my other systems, satellite/bluray/etc are connected via HDMI.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1GK0F79360&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-_-pla-_-NA-_-NA
post #16760 of 18963
oh nice, I will try this out. I appreciate the help.

edit: got this in the mail and it worked perfectly with my denon 1612
Edited by unr1 - 1/9/13 at 11:26pm
post #16761 of 18963
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Originally Posted by unr1 View Post

okay this is a really noob question and I can't find a solid answer.
If I connect a Nintendo Wii (analog video and audio cables) I only get sound. I am trying to have it output through HDMI.
I have a denon 1612. I know it doesn't have component inputs but it has analog inputs. So what gives?
How can I get picture via HDMI out connected with analog in? Because all my other systems, satellite/bluray/etc are connected via HDMI.

As noted on p. 4 of the Owner's manual (below), there is no video upconversion featured on the 1612, rather the 1912 is the lowest model with that feature. Rather the Wii2HDMI is your best option.

post #16762 of 18963
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Speaking of Pandora issues, are there any XX12 model owners using Pandora that are not experiencing any GUI issues at all (eg. interaction with the internet radio settings)?

I'm having zero issues (I have a 2312), I also had zero issues updating as for whatever reason the firmware update was good first time through, signed in, etc. However I'm not using it much b/c as I said if I'm at home near the receiver I'm just going to access my ripped CDs on my computer.
post #16763 of 18963
Thanks for reporting your lack of Pandora issues. smile.gif Any other Pandora users also not experiencing any menu issues?
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This amused me: Last night I was trying to get to sleep while the wife and kids were playing some video games on the living room system. I don't begrudge them their fun, but it was too loud in my room.

Since I had a chromebook computer within easy reach, I opened it up, brought up the web console for my 3312CI, and turned the volume down from -14.5 (!) to -30. A few seconds later I hear the wife ask "why did it suddenly get quiet?". Then I fell asleep.
post #16765 of 18963
Yes indeed ...a handy feature to be sure (also able to accomplish via smart phone app). smile.gif
post #16766 of 18963
My phone was in another room. It's an android phone, and I've got two different apps on it to control the AVR as well as the ability to use the web control interface. It's an embarrassment of riches.

On another note: While I was bored at work the other day I started writing some code to parse the config file I happened to have saved on my work notebook. I've just done a few basics, and can see that interpreting the file format is going to be very time consuming if I wish to pursue it. I have only gone so far as to extract things like my rhapsody user ID and password (clear text eek.gif ) and the labels for each input. In order to make meaningful progress, I'll have to go through an iterative process of "Make one change to configuration, save file, compare with old file to note location of difference". To be honest I'm just not interested enough to do it.
post #16767 of 18963
I read somewhere that it's better and/or preferred (can't remember exact wording) to connect a dvr directly to the TV instead of through the receiver. Any truth to this? If this is done then run an optical cable from the receiver to the TV for sound?
post #16768 of 18963
Yes, very much so. Cable/sat boxes are generally not HDCP certified and therefore can often wreak havic (audio and video) when connected to an AVR. In fact installers will often bypass the AVR to avoid any current or future HDMI handshake issues that are often caused by a firmware update to the cable/sat box. And no, with HDMI connected to the TV, connect box (optical) --> AVR (rather than TV(optical) --> AVR) for surround audio with no loss in quality as the best a cable/sat box can do is DD 5.1. Connecting TV(optical) --> AVR generally only provides stereo 2.0 audio from an HDMI source connected to the TV.
post #16769 of 18963
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Originally Posted by JD in NJ View Post

This amused me: Last night I was trying to get to sleep while the wife and kids were playing some video games on the living room system. I don't begrudge them their fun, but it was too loud in my room.
Since I had a chromebook computer within easy reach, I opened it up, brought up the web console for my 3312CI, and turned the volume down from -14.5 (!) to -30. A few seconds later I hear the wife ask "why did it suddenly get quiet?". Then I fell asleep.

You sneaky devil!

That would make for a good commercial ad.
post #16770 of 18963
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Yes, very much so. Cable/sat boxes are generally not HDCP certified and therefore can often wreak havic (audio and video) when connected to an AVR. In fact installers will often bypass the AVR to avoid any current or future HDMI handshake issues that are often caused by a firmware update to the cable/sat box. And no, with HDMI connected to the TV, connect box (optical) --> AVR (rather than TV(optical) --> AVR) for surround audio with no loss in quality as the best a cable/sat box can do is DD 5.1. Connecting TV(optical) --> AVR generally only provides stereo 2.0 audio from an HDMI source connected to the TV.

Got it. Thanks. I had to read the bold part a few times to understand it. All the arrows and parenthesis confused me.
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