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post #16741 of 17929
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I don't think AirPlay supports FLAC,
but if you convert to ALAC ...

How about AFLAC? eek.gif
post #16742 of 17929
I'm not sure if this is where I'm supposed to post an issue with my avr-1612 but here goes. It is with the ipod connection. It seems that the connection works for a while, then out of the blue there is no connection able to be made with the ipod or iphone for charging. I end up having to unplug the receiver and when it come back online everything is back to normal. Anybody know what could be causing this?
post #16743 of 17929
I have a problem that should have a simple solution, but I'm having a little trouble figuring out on my own. I have a Denon 3312CI in my living room and I have a Wii hooked up via RCA inputs (yellow, red, white) on the composite (RCA) input BD. I set this input up under "Game 1" and renamed it to Wii.

Under Source Select I manually setup the Input Assign to none for HDMI, Digital, and Comp and under Video it is set to BD.

So far I can get the picture, but no sound at all. Is there some other setting I am just missing to force the receiver to use the RCA audio inputs that go along with my BD RCA input?

Thanks in advance for any help.
post #16744 of 17929
Thread Starter 
Composite inputs are non assignable. The RCA assignment in the GUI refers to the component video.
post #16745 of 17929
I need some help. Just got some Astro A50 headphones. I want to use them with both my Cable Box and Game Console. Any way to get my 2112ci to pass the digital signal audio through on the HDMI so I can still use the reciever as HDMI switch and then have the A50's work with my TIVO's HDMI and my Xbox's HDMI?

The A50s have optical in and I've had bad experiences with audio delay and optical. So I'm not so sure...
post #16746 of 17929
Thanks batpig for the clarification. I'm able to use the preset input BD just fine. For some reason I thought I had checked that one before, but I guess not.
post #16747 of 17929
denon 1712
pioneer fs51 towers
bic f12 subwoofer

so for music ive settled on stereo, towers set to large, subwoofer lfe + main. i like how it sounds this way because these budget towers dont put out much bass. this way i get bass from them and the f12.

two questions

1. With the towers set to large, i can still choose the frequency for the towers. what the? shouldnt they be full range since i set them to large?
The only way i see the towers at full range is if i set it to no sub.
But then i get no sound from the subwoofer, but i like the stereo, towers set to large, sub lfe + main sound options for listening to music.

2. Should i turn off dynamic eq when listening to music in stereo?
post #16748 of 17929
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Connect the HD to the xBox and the xBox to the 1712.

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

The 1712 has neither a network port nor a USB port, so you have no options other than using an external device to serve as the "conduit" for the music. Video game systems, blu-ray players, and dedicated media devices like a WDTV or Squeezebox will offer this capability. From there, the audio gets output to the receiver just like any other device, using either HDMI, digital optical/coax, or analog audio output.
So as far as the receiver is concerned, it's a non issue. The question is what OTHER device will you have in the chain that can handle the task.

Thanks.

I have an xbox 360 and PS3.

To play .flac music files would I be able to connect my laptop directly to the 1712 using this?
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10218&cs_id=1021815&p_id=5599&seq=1&format=2
If so would the quality of my sound card come into play or is it bypassed?

Another option I thought of is laptop>360/PS3>1712. Doable?
post #16749 of 17929
Yes, as long as the source device is first decoding the .flac file.
post #16750 of 17929
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Originally Posted by bradymartin View Post

denon 1712
pioneer fs51 towers
bic f12 subwoofer
so for music ive settled on stereo, towers set to large, subwoofer lfe + main. i like how it sounds this way because these budget towers dont put out much bass. this way i get bass from them and the f12.
two questions
1. With the towers set to large, i can still choose the frequency for the towers. what the? shouldnt they be full range since i set them to large?
The only way i see the towers at full range is if i set it to no sub.
But then i get no sound from the subwoofer, but i like the stereo, towers set to large, sub lfe + main sound options for listening to music.
2. Should i turn off dynamic eq when listening to music in stereo?

1. When you set the sub to LFE+Main, the audio below the front main crossover levels is passed to the sub.
2. Only if you prefer it that way.
post #16751 of 17929
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Originally Posted by eaadams View Post

I need some help. Just got some Astro A50 headphones. I want to use them with both my Cable Box and Game Console. Any way to get my 2112ci to pass the digital signal audio through on the HDMI so I can still use the reciever as HDMI switch and then have the A50's work with my TIVO's HDMI and my Xbox's HDMI?
The A50s have optical in and I've had bad experiences with audio delay and optical. So I'm not so sure...

You could use a 4x2 HDMI switch between the sources and the AVR.
post #16752 of 17929
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Originally Posted by NateTTU View Post

I have a problem that should have a simple solution, but I'm having a little trouble figuring out on my own. I have a Denon 3312CI in my living room and I have a Wii hooked up via RCA inputs (yellow, red, white) on the composite (RCA) input BD. I set this input up under "Game 1" and renamed it to Wii.
Under Source Select I manually setup the Input Assign to none for HDMI, Digital, and Comp and under Video it is set to BD.
So far I can get the picture, but no sound at all. Is there some other setting I am just missing to force the receiver to use the RCA audio inputs that go along with my BD RCA input?
Thanks in advance for any help.

Note also you can use a Wii2HDMI to make the configuration setup a bit easier.

http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-1080P-Output-Upscaling-Converter/dp/B007PY3ZPG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1357208668&sr=8-2&keywords=wii2hdmi
post #16753 of 17929
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Originally Posted by islanderman View Post

I'm not sure if this is where I'm supposed to post an issue with my avr-1612 but here goes. It is with the ipod connection. It seems that the connection works for a while, then out of the blue there is no connection able to be made with the ipod or iphone for charging. I end up having to unplug the receiver and when it come back online everything is back to normal. Anybody know what could be causing this?

Perhaps you could clarify what the issue is here?
post #16754 of 17929
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Connect the HD to the xBox and the xBox to the 1712.

Quote:
Originally Posted by batpig View Post

The 1712 has neither a network port nor a USB port, so you have no options other than using an external device to serve as the "conduit" for the music. Video game systems, blu-ray players, and dedicated media devices like a WDTV or Squeezebox will offer this capability. From there, the audio gets output to the receiver just like any other device, using either HDMI, digital optical/coax, or analog audio output.
So as far as the receiver is concerned, it's a non issue. The question is what OTHER device will you have in the chain that can handle the task.

Thanks.

I have an xbox 360 and PS3.

To play .flac music files would I be able to connect my laptop directly to the 1712 using this?
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10218&cs_id=1021815&p_id=5599&seq=1&format=2
If so would the quality of my sound card come into play or is it bypassed?

Another option I thought of is laptop>360/PS3>1712. Doable?

If you just go with an RCA cable connection like the one you linked (mini-jack headphone output to RCA analog) then you are essentially subject to the sound quality of the internal sound card on the laptop. Streaming wirelessly through an intermediary device like the PS3 is also more convenient of course.

You should probably engage in a comparison on your own, seeing if you can tell the difference in sound quality between the various options. Be aware when trying to do this that there are a lot of settings that can affect this, like Dynamic EQ/Volume, Restorer, etc. so try and make sure that you are doing an apples-to-apples comp. The easiest way is to just engage DIRECT mode for whatever input method you are testing to eliminate any digital processing on the Denon side.

There will also be settings on the output side that could affect sound quality, like the volume slider on your laptop, the output sampling options on the PS3, etc. so it can be a bit tricky. The bottom line is that you should experiment and find a solution that's the best compromise for you in terms of convenience, sound quality, etc.
post #16755 of 17929
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

You could use a 4x2 HDMI switch between the sources and the AVR.

Thanks your post led me to a number of 4x2 posts. Now I have to figure out if they will pass through hdmi audio even if the toslink is outputting.
post #16756 of 17929
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Interesting to note there's a guy with a Marantz 1603 having the same issue with his HTPC only playing to the TV speakers. He noted that although the "HDMI Audio Out" setting is set to "AMP" the setting is greyed out so cannot be changed. Can you change this setting or is it greyed out as well? If the former try changing it to TV and then back to AMP again. Otherwise next step is a soft reset (unplug power cable for a few minutes) and if still no joy, then SAVE the config.dat file to the HTPC using the Web Control feature (p. 80 OM) ....and after reviewing the link below, reset the microprocessor (p. 149).
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_E10
Edit: Update .... without doing either reset, the 1603 owner was able to get the HTPC audio back to the AVR by cycling the HDMI Control setting from ON ---> OFF ---> ON again and that resolved his issue. Give that a try.

Sorry for the late response. Here is how the issue was resolved:

1. Updated Firmware (which I am sure had nothing to do with it)
2. Restarted the laptop and the receiver (maybe this resolved it but still a maybe since I had done this already earlier)
3. reconfigured the speaker setup using audyssey (maybe this was it)
4. reconfigured the laptop with my speaker configuration (3.1) for sound output.

Thank you jdsmoothie for all your tips
post #16757 of 17929
Hello, funny this was posted but I am having a similar issue with a bit of a wrinkle I think. I am trying to do this with zone 2.

Here is my setup. Windows vista pc connected via HDMI to the 2112ci and sound works great, sub is working
In the same room I have extra sets of speakers (large room) that are hooked up to zone 2, from the PC side I have a plug in the speaker jack that separates front left / right into 2 rca plugs, I have them connected to the 'CD' inputs on the avr. I have zone 2 setup to use the CD source and I hear the music when I play it from the PC, however no sub used??? Its in the room so I hoped that would work, maybe it is not possible on zone 2? In the 'speaker setup' the sub is set to LFE+main, and all speakers are small, 80 crossover. In the 'audio setup' with 2ch Direct/Stereo it is setup the same way.

So basically my question Is if it possible to output audio from speaker jack of computer, split the audio into right and left and pass it into the "CD" right and left RCA inputs and get the avr to use the sub to engage on its own without having a discrete connection for it.

I do have an output for the sub on the jack panel on the back of the computer, however I don't really have a place to input that line on the unit.... either HDMI or just speaker inputs I see.

I am thinking I could also use the optical cable and just swap over to optical on the computer when I listen to CDs and that might work if I setup the input to use the optical input??

I know this is a lot to take in but any help appreciated.
post #16758 of 17929
The sub plays in the main zone setup, while your other speakers are in Zone 2.
post #16759 of 17929
so your saying that it is not possible for this receiver to use the sub in zone 2 in any way.
post #16760 of 17929
Thread Starter 
No. Zone 2 is meant for a separate room. It's an independent stereo signal path. You can add a different sub for zone 2 but you can't use the main zone sub.
post #16761 of 17929
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

No. Zone 2 is meant for a separate room. It's an independent stereo signal path. You can add a different sub for zone 2 but you can't use the main zone sub.

just so i get this straight. with my 1712 i can wire a couple speakers on zone 2 and the 1712 will power them? or will i need to buy a separate amp and somehow connect that to the 1712 and the speakers.

also, can i be watching 5.1 movie in the living room and listening to music on zone 2 (say the backyard) at the same time? when entertaining etc.

if my 1712 cant do all that i can just buy one of those $100 sherwood stereo receivers from amazon.
post #16762 of 17929
I don't know about the 1712, but the 2112ci can do exactly that, both ways, add an amp or just reconfigure the internal amps to power zone 2, one of the reasons I bought that model. I assume here batpig that your saying to add a sub to zone 2 you need to use the sub rca outs to some of amplifier that has a sub channel, and you can hook the sub to that.

Note - I also found out through some research it looks like you can use windows 7 and the 'stereo mix' to mix the HDMI output with the speaker out and I would get exactly what I was after, both sound outputs working at the same time and the sub would get included. Unfortunately I have vista, not allowed there. Vista..... frown.gif limitations

Looks like an upgrade is in my future.
post #16763 of 17929
Has anyone been able to pass 720p @ 120 hz through an xx12 model?

Is there an EDID hack that will allow it?

Thanks,
Jason
post #16764 of 17929
Quote:
Originally Posted by batpig View Post

If you just go with an RCA cable connection like the one you linked (mini-jack headphone output to RCA analog) then you are essentially subject to the sound quality of the internal sound card on the laptop. Streaming wirelessly through an intermediary device like the PS3 is also more convenient of course.
You should probably engage in a comparison on your own, seeing if you can tell the difference in sound quality between the various options. Be aware when trying to do this that there are a lot of settings that can affect this, like Dynamic EQ/Volume, Restorer, etc. so try and make sure that you are doing an apples-to-apples comp. The easiest way is to just engage DIRECT mode for whatever input method you are testing to eliminate any digital processing on the Denon side.
There will also be settings on the output side that could affect sound quality, like the volume slider on your laptop, the output sampling options on the PS3, etc. so it can be a bit tricky. The bottom line is that you should experiment and find a solution that's the best compromise for you in terms of convenience, sound quality, etc.

Thanks for the info. I would like it if the laptop sound card wasn't part of the equation. Though my Sony VAIO F Series is touted as a multimedia laptop the sound card isn't that great. I can't really discern the difference between mp3 and flac, which is something I could easily tell the difference between on my gaming pc, which unfortunately went kaput.

I'll mess around with different setups to see if can do the flac files justice.
post #16765 of 17929
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Originally Posted by bradymartin View Post

just so i get this straight. with my 1712 i can wire a couple speakers on zone 2 and the 1712 will power them? or will i need to buy a separate amp and somehow connect that to the 1712 and the speakers.
also, can i be watching 5.1 movie in the living room and listening to music on zone 2 (say the backyard) at the same time? when entertaining etc.

Correct. As is the case with any Denon 7.1 AVR (to include the 1712), with a 5.1 setup in the main zone, the AVR can still power a second set of stereo speakers in Zone 2 with independent source/volume control. Note however, that only analog connected sources (ie. no HDMI) can pass to Zone 2.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_M
post #16766 of 17929
Apple's Pandora-like iRadio Service to Launch in 2013?

http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/03/apples-pandora-like-iradio-service-to-launch-in-2013/

If this iRadio happens, can/ will denon update their firmware to let it work?
Or would you have to buy the new model?
post #16767 of 17929
@bradymartin:

The 1712 can power the zone 2 speakers with its own amps (restricts you to 5.1 in the main zone by doing so) but it doesn't have preouts for powering a zone 2 amp, if you wanted to go that way. The higher models have both options.
post #16768 of 17929
okay this is a really noob question and I can't find a solid answer.

If I connect a Nintendo Wii (analog video and audio cables) I only get sound. I am trying to have it output through HDMI.
I have a denon 1612. I know it doesn't have component inputs but it has analog inputs. So what gives?

How can I get picture via HDMI out connected with analog in? Because all my other systems, satellite/bluray/etc are connected via HDMI.
post #16769 of 17929
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Originally Posted by unr1 View Post

okay this is a really noob question and I can't find a solid answer.
If I connect a Nintendo Wii (analog video and audio cables) I only get sound. I am trying to have it output through HDMI.
I have a denon 1612. I know it doesn't have component inputs but it has analog inputs. So what gives?
How can I get picture via HDMI out connected with analog in? Because all my other systems, satellite/bluray/etc are connected via HDMI.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1GK0F79360&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-_-pla-_-NA-_-NA
post #16770 of 17929
oh nice, I will try this out. I appreciate the help.

edit: got this in the mail and it worked perfectly with my denon 1612
Edited by unr1 - 1/9/13 at 11:26pm
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