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Originally Posted by Shanndogg View Post

Regarding the Subs being set at -12db by Audyssey- I had my Sub set to LF Direct and still got a -12db result. Is that normal?

I don't know what sub you have so I don't know what that setting does. I assume it's some "direct" that bypasses the crossover and also the volume control? In that case, it would be normal if the default volume of the sub is too loud for your room.

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If I am understanding correctly, I should run Audyssey again with the Sub's LF Direct off, volume at 12 o'clock, and frequency at max?

Again, depends on what that switch really does. Are you sure it bypasses the volume control too? If it just bypasses the LPF, you could leave the switch in "direct" mode and just turn down the volume. Either way, you need to figure out how to get the subwoofer preset to a volume that is not 12+dB too loud for your room, and then re-run Audyssey.


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Speaker crossover levels - Audyssey gave me a 80hz crossover on my surrounds which are the same size as my mains which it put at 110hz. The surrounds are close to the back wall (as well as the sitting position) so I assume that is why the crossover was much lower

correct, being in close proximity to a hard boundary can create "bass reinforcement"... just because the speakers are identical doesn't mean their acoustic situation is the same. Room effects are most onerous in the bass region, so it's not abnormal to move a speaker 1-2 feet and have the low-end extension change by a half-octave or more.

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However, when I look in the Audyssey check section it still shows 80hz. Is this just showing what Audyseey came up with, but not the actual setting as I manually changed it?

Correct, the parameter check is just a "report card" of what Audyssey measured. It is there for you as a reference, but any changes that have been made in System Setup > Speaker Setup will override the auto setup settings. On the front panel display of your AVR, there is a little box around the "MultEQ XT" light that disappears to indicate that you are no longer running on the "default" Audyssey settings. And if you ever want to go back, you can go to Parameter Check > RESTORE and it will reset it back to the state reflected in the Parameter Checks.
post #1682 of 18064
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Originally Posted by Dre325 View Post

One question: if I stack inputs does the priority go to HDMI then component then composite if I have three sources hooked up to one input that has all three options (such as DVD)? For instance if I have all three sources on, the Hdmi source will display?

correct, priority goes HDMI > component > composite for video, and HDMI > digital SPDIF > analog for audio.


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Like others, Audyssey set my sub to -12 and I could barely hear it. I've got it at -7 now. Big difference. I'll rerun with the sub turned down slightly and bump it up again so it's in the -3 to 0 range which is what seems to be recommended.

It doesn't have to be that close to 0, it's just about not having it be "maxed out" at either end of the +/-12dB range. If it's at -12, it's possible that it required more correction but the receiver "ran out of room".

If you don't get a lot of bass from the sub after running Audyssey and with Dyn EQ engaged, make sure to go into the Speaker Setup and confirm that all speakers are set to SMALL with at least a 60-80Hz crossover. If Audyssey sent your fronts to LARGE you won't get a lot of bass redirected to the sub.

You are certainly free to bump up the sub a few dB to suit your preference, but give yourself some time to get used to calibrated "reference" sound. Many people are used to big bass because of some nasty room mode, but now Audyssey has corrected the problem and the bass sounds "weak" when it is in actuality just FLAT for the first time.
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Looking to upgrade from a 2310CI to one of the xx12CI models mostly to accomodate an overall upgrade to 3D in my "man room".

At first I had my head around the 3312CI, but after reading the frist 6 posts in this thread I am more leaning towards the 2312CI. However, I do not see a lot of posts about it.

I know that Batpig suggests the 2112CI as the sweetspot in terms of features vs dollars, but I still keep coming back to the 2312CI.

Anyway, are there any 2312CI owners out there who are lurking and not posting their experiences? I would love to read a little more about this model.

Thank you Batpig and JD for providing a tremendous amount of information on this years Denon models!
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^^
There are no 2312CI posts simply because it has not been released yet as noted in post #3.
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Could anyone please who is using HDMI pass-through in Standby confirm that TV's HDMI-CEC is enabled on their sets? Do we have anyone on this forum with Samsung Anynet+ successfully using HDMI pass-through in Standby?
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Originally Posted by cyberbrad View Post

I don't have any problems with skips or drop outs, but I'm running a Cat 5e wired connection into my 2112 (not using a wireless adapter) and have an 802.11n wireless network.

I also have a Cat5e wired connection running into the 2112ci. My network looks like this:

3 ft Cat5e from my Windows 7 box with Itunes to a Cisco router. From the router, which has the internet 3ft Cat5e cable running into it, I ran a 100 foot Cat5e cable to a D-Link gigabit switch at my entertainment center. From there I've run a 5ft Cat5e cable into the Denon 2112ci.

Pandora seems to run fine so I know my internet connection is stable. It's just the airplay that seems to have the issues.

Any ideas? This skipping/silence is quite annoying.

-Mythlar
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

not much in the way of new features on 3312 vs. 3311. the most important functional changes are:

1) a more colorful "advanced" GUI (more like what was in the 4311, 4310 etc)
2) the GUI can overlay on 3D video (the 3311 can overlay only on 2D video)
3) you can have both HDMI outs active simultaneously (3311 is one or the other)
4) Airplay is built in (it's a $49 upgrade on the 3311)
5) 1 extra HDMI input (6 on the back, 1 on front vs 5/1 on the 3311)
6) cheesier looking front fascia; the 3311 has the slicker front end with the drop-down door.

PQ and SQ should be the same. Both use MultEQ XT, have Audyssey DSX, 3 zones, plenty of HDMI inputs, video conversion, 125W/ch, etc and have the same 3-year warranty.

BTW -- there are color images of the new 3312 GUI posted on the 3312 product page (scroll right in the photo thingy). The 3311 GUI is the same as the 3310 GUI in this youtube video.

Thank you!

As I often run plasma and projector same time for football games I would need the simultaneous HDMI outputs of the new model..
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^^^

note that you can't display 2 different sources...

only the same source on 2 different displays...
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Again not sure what you are missing or what is causing you to conclude that it's only doing speaker distance. If you've gone through the auto setup process where you set up the mic and it "zaps" each speaker with tones, and then at the end you "calculate" and "store" the setup, you have done the calibration including levels, distance/delay, and room correction. The first position is where distance and level is set, so make sure the first spot is the "sweet spot", and then the addition 5-7 measurements give additional data for the filter calculation.

Maybe this will help: http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq/how-to

I will read up on this more today.
I have only performed 1 speaker distance calibration.
I assumed that it could get standing wave and acoustic calibration settings from the main spot, as my previous receiver.

I'll run the rest of the spots. thx for the reply and all of your time and energy. lots of great info!
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Still trying to fix my network problems on my 2112. I brought my router and modem into the room with the receiver and hooked all that up. Everything else thats connected directly to the router works fine, but the 2112 still won't acquire a proper ip nor will a static ip work. I even tried connecting the modem directly to the denon and that didn't work either. I've reset both the network card and the microprocessor on the denon several times and hard reset everything as well but still no dice. I'm now thinking it could be a hardware problem unless im missing something.

Components im using to try to get it connected: Motorola Surfboard Docsys 3.0 modem, Linksys e1200 router, denon 2112ci
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As a general reminder, and as is suggested in each Owner's manual, it's best to run the total 6-8 mic positions to allow Audyssey to have the most filtering data to apply. This whole process shouldn't take more than 15-20 minutes to run the maximum number of positions.
post #1692 of 18064
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

these receivers have only been out for about a month so you aren't going to find specific "combinations" of every receiver + speaker. That being said, the Infinity Primus are great speakers and if you like what Audyssey does these Denon receivers will make them sound good, just like they would for any other speaker, it doesn't have a preference. The Primus line is also very sensitive and easy to drive, so power will not be a problem.

Thanks for the comments. While I've done quite a bit of reading, I can't say I've really demoed Audyssey enough to decide if I like it or not. I know the idea of auto-calibration is a great one and MultiEQ XT is supposed to be one of the better ones.

Ironically, I can grab a NAD t747 for the same price as a 2112, brand new. I'm tempted to do so but I know its a very different class of receiver.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
There are no 2312CI posts simply because it has not been released yet as noted in post #3.

Yes, as I mentioned in my post, I have read the the first six posts several times over and did notice the 2312CI not yet released. However, Best Buy has them listed in several stores in my area for "In Store" pick up today. Something isn't right.

Thinik I will take a ride during lunch just to see what they have and will report back.

Thanks JD
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^^
The 2312CI is due to be released this week so it's very likely that BB/Magnolia has them in stock.
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Called best buy in hopes of getting a better deal thank 649 and they said that was the best they could do.. Looks like I will be waiting bleh
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Originally Posted by Dextar View Post

Called best buy in hopes of getting a better deal thank 649 and they said that was the best they could do.. Looks like I will be waiting bleh

You have a lot more strength to negotiate when you are in front of the manager. Calling in won't get the job done, sorry.
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Originally Posted by dekard View Post

You have a lot more strength to negotiate when you are in front of the manager. Calling in won't get the job done, sorry.

I will have to make a stop down there tomorrow then, it's a half hour drive is my problem, so regardless I will end up buying it with my 10% off coupon if I drive for it.
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Originally Posted by Mythlar View Post


I also have a Cat5e wired connection running into the 2112ci. My network looks like this:

3 ft Cat5e from my Windows 7 box with Itunes to a Cisco router. From the router, which has the internet 3ft Cat5e cable running into it, I ran a 100 foot Cat5e cable to a D-Link gigabit switch at my entertainment center. From there I've run a 5ft Cat5e cable into the Denon 2112ci.

Pandora seems to run fine so I know my internet connection is stable. It's just the airplay that seems to have the issues.

Any ideas? This skipping/silence is quite annoying.

-Mythlar

I would start by taking the switch out of the mix and run that 100ft cable directly into your 2112 and try again. If that fixes it, it's something with your switch. If it doesn't, might be time to upgrade your router to 802.11n. Also, which iOS device are you trying AirPlay from? I'm using an iPhone 4.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Try setting your PS3 to STEREO which should allow it to pass through to the TV when the AVR is in Standby. If you choose to use the HDMI Audio Out setting then, yes, you will need to change it back to AMP in order to listen through your surround speakers.

Will this improve performance beyond just a direct connection from PS3 (slim) to TV?

There was a review of the PS3 slim that mentioned that the audio perfomance was downgraded. Specifically, the chassis is less ridged compared to the fat; and, therefore less adept at audio performance. But, since the slim can passthru True HD, it's better than the fat if using an AVR.
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Anyone here that has purchased (or will purchase) the 3312 that has plans to mount it in a Middle Atlantic rack would you mind PMing me. Thanks
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Originally Posted by cyberbrad View Post

I would start by taking the switch out of the mix and run that 100ft cable directly into your 2112 and try again. If that fixes it, it's something with your switch. If it doesn't, might be time to upgrade your router to 802.11n. Also, which iOS device are you trying AirPlay from? I'm using an iPhone 4.

Yeah, I'll try removing the switch tonight. I've got a Cisco E4200 802.11n router and it's all gigabit Cat5e from my computer all the way to the Denon. (Although I know the Denon only will do 100mb)

I'm just running Airplay from Windows 7 Itunes off my main computer which is also connected to the E4200 router.

-Mythlar
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Originally Posted by dulyebr View Post

Will this improve performance beyond just a direct connection from PS3 (slim) to TV?

There was a review of the PS3 slim that mentioned that the audio perfomance was downgraded. Specifically, the chassis is less ridged compared to the fat; and, therefore less adept at audio performance. But, since the slim can passthru True HD, it's better than the fat if using an AVR.

I'm not familiar with any degrading of audio perforance. Do you have a link to that review? And the slim isn't better simply because it can bitstream the HD audio as it will sound the same as the PCM from the PS3 fat, the only difference is the bitstream audio will display on the Denon front panel display.
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi HwyDemon, how is the receiver connected to tv?

HDMI Out from receiver.
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Originally Posted by Mythlar View Post

I also have a Cat5e wired connection running into the 2112ci. My network looks like this:

3 ft Cat5e from my Windows 7 box with Itunes to a Cisco router. From the router, which has the internet 3ft Cat5e cable running into it, I ran a 100 foot Cat5e cable to a D-Link gigabit switch at my entertainment center. From there I've run a 5ft Cat5e cable into the Denon 2112ci.

Pandora seems to run fine so I know my internet connection is stable. It's just the airplay that seems to have the issues.

Any ideas? This skipping/silence is quite annoying.

-Mythlar

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Originally Posted by Mythlar View Post

Yeah, I'll try removing the switch tonight. I've got a Cisco E4200 802.11n router and it's all gigabit Cat5e from my computer all the way to the Denon. (Although I know the Denon only will do 100mb)

I'm just running Airplay from Windows 7 Itunes off my main computer which is also connected to the E4200 router.

-Mythlar

Shut down all non-essential services on the Win7 box. It sounds like you have a service or app running intermittently in the background.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

can you please try to be more descriptive about what the problem is? it's hard to understand what you are describing.

I can, however, guarantee it has nothing to do with resolution so don't worry about 720p or whatnot.

Ok so the problem is that when I turn on my PS3 the writting seems to be greyed out and almost a little blurry. So everything that should be white is greyish and blurry. When I play NHL 11 samething. the ice is Greyish and everything has a greyish tinge to them. And I have played with all the Display Settings I can see and find on my PS3 and nothing helps. This only happened when I plugged in the HDMI from PS3 into my Denon AVR 1912. I also have my HD cable HDMI plugged into my Denon and that works perfectly fine.

I have a Panasonic 720p Plasma which is like 5 yrs old. I also have a 3 yr old PS3.
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Originally Posted by RyanA3 View Post

I will read up on this more today.
I have only performed 1 speaker distance calibration.
I assumed that it could get standing wave and acoustic calibration settings from the main spot, as my previous receiver.

even if you measured only 1 position, as long as it did the calculate/store steps you have performed Audyssey calibration, including creating room correction filters for all your speakers. Again, I do not understand why you keep insisting/believing that all it does was measure speaker distance.

when you do the full 6-8 positions, you will feed the system more data with which to calculate even better filters.

perhaps the issue is that you are expecting this to work like your Pio with MCACC? because it doesn't, there is no "standing wave" stuff, Audyssey is a totally different system. The whole point of the "calculate" step is to take all the data you have fed it from the measurements and let it calculate the correction filters. If you can turn MultEQ / Dyn EQ / Dynamic Volume on, then you have a calibrated receiver.
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Originally Posted by Dextar View Post

I will have to make a stop down there tomorrow then, it's a half hour drive is my problem, so regardless I will end up buying it with my 10% off coupon if I drive for it.

I don't think the coupon can be use for Denon anymore. I checked the fine print and Denon was listed as an exclusion. Last year I use the coupon for the AVR3310 but I guess not this time.

John
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3312 Network issues: I can't seem to get the remote to move up/down in the internet radio area - to choose Pandora, etc. The menu is stuck at 'favorites'. I've reset the receiver, etc. It's getting an IP address and I'm able to control it over IP using my Control 4 system too so I know some of the network is working. My 2112 also on the same network is working fine, Pandora working too. The 3312 also states there is a firmware update available yet it won't allow me to download/install it. Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I detail the differences between the two in this post:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post20527677

Take the deal, no reason to believe the build quality is any different and the 3312 has a few new features.

no, that's just not how it works. nothing to worry about on that front.

Thanks for your help; I'll see if i can work a deal on the 4311, if not I'll pull the trigger on the 3312. I wish they didn't change the fold down panel.
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Yes, if it is the same coupon that comes via email, then Denon is excluded. I looked at the coupon very carefully and saw Denon excluded even though Magnolia was included.

However, one time I tried to cash in one of those coupons that had an item excluded in fine print, they told me no. I told them to include the coupon or I was walking out. They included it.

It may be worth a try.
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