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post #16831 of 18957
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

HDMI-CEC in the display causes more trouble than it's worth. If you forget about ARC for the built-in TV apps and instead go the tried-and-true route of just using an optical out from the TV to the receiver, it will make your life a lot easier.

FWIW I do have pass-thru set to the input to which our HDD-based media player is connected, so that the wife and kids can watch recorded vidoes by simply switching the TV to the secondary HDMI input, and I also have HDMI control enabled for the BRP so that the AVR will automatically switch to the BRP if they wish to watch a disc rather than the media player. Otherwise, when they turn on the TV, it automatically selects the cable box. Sooooo..... the normal sequence of connections is:

Turn TV on, signal is from cable box (only gotcha, remember to turn on cable box!)
Select HDMI2 on TV, source is media player (thru TV speakers unless AVR is on)
Turn on BRP then AVR turns on and BRP is automatically selected

This scheme was the result of not only much thought but also a lot of trial and error.
post #16832 of 18957
i also connected hdmi from cable box to tv, optical from cable box to denon 1712 because i was having problems connected straight to avr

i wonder if i connect the the cable box to the tv with component instead of hdmi, will i be able to see the denons on screen menu? i think on some players that is possible but not sure if it is on the 1712
post #16833 of 18957
I scored a deal at BB for a new 3312ci for $550. Seemed pretty good to me. Currently testing side-by-side with an Onkyo TX-NR809 (from Amazon for $450). One must be returned. So far both excellent.

Two questions regarding 3312ci:

1. How do I get audio/video status display onscreen? I don't want to navigate setup menus. Just want quick status of signal quality so I know what surround mode I'm using, and if signal is TrueHD, etc.

2. Is it possible to have HDMI 1 video (BD) input with analog audio (CD)? (it is with the Onkyo 809, but when I select CD on the Denon I get black screen with Denon logo - sometimes I prefer to listen to music while downloading stuff on the PS3)

Both great receivers. I feel like keeping both! smile.gif
Edited by clintonstark - 1/9/13 at 12:14am
post #16834 of 18957
1. The surround mode in use (or signal received) should be displayed on the front panel display, otherwise you can use the INFORMATION--STATUS menu (p. 120 OM).

2. Yes, if you either connct the CD source to the "BD" (ie. same source name used for HDMI input) and then change the INPUT MODE setting to "Analog", or you can also connect the HDMI source with a component video cable and assign it to another suorce name and then with the analog audio source selected (eg. CD connected to "CD" analog inputs), change the Video Select setting to the component video source name.
post #16835 of 18957
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Originally Posted by bradymartin View Post

i also connected hdmi from cable box to tv, optical from cable box to denon 1712 because i was having problems connected straight to avr
i wonder if i connect the the cable box to the tv with component instead of hdmi, will i be able to see the denons on screen menu? i think on some players that is possible but not sure if it is on the 1712

You likely meant connect the cable box to the AVR? Although the answer would be no as the lowest model that does analog --> HDMI conversion is the 1912 and on the 1712 the GUI will only display on the HDMI output.
post #16836 of 18957
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

+1 -- HDMI-CEC in the display causes more trouble than it's worth. If you forget about ARC for the built-in TV apps and instead go the tried-and-true route of just using an optical out from the TV to the receiver, it will make your life a lot easier.

Is cec required enabled to leverage arc?
post #16837 of 18957
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

1. The surround mode in use (or signal received) should be displayed on the front panel display, otherwise you can use the INFORMATION--STATUS menu (p. 120 OM).
2. Yes, if you either connct the CD source to the "BD" (ie. same source name used for HDMI input) and then change the INPUT MODE setting to "Analog", or you can also connect the HDMI source with a component video cable and assign it to another suorce name and then with the analog audio source selected (eg. CD connected to "CD" analog inputs), change the Video Select setting to the component video source name.


The 3312ci is in cabinet behind screen so OSD is critical. Too bad there isn't a quick one button status, but I could get used to navigating as you suggest.

Thanks for the tip also on the CD input workaround. Hopefully I can program Denon remote code into my universal so it can select analog input (or optical if I use that) with one button press.
post #16838 of 18957
Hi Rob,

Thanks for the input. I guess that's sort of a work around. But then if someone wants to watch a Blu-ray they have to remember to change the input on the tv to the avr. And that also kills one of the digital inputs on the avr. I need one for a cd player that I still use.

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Originally Posted by RobLee View Post

I went thru everything you've been thru and ended up doing the following: Skip the pass thru and HDMI control. Connect the cable box directly to the TV. Connect audio from the cable box to the AVR using optical or coaxial S/PDIF. Turn off CEC and HDMI control on the TV. I left it on for the BRP input of the AVR. All this was soooo much easier than pulling out what hair I have left. Good luck!
post #16839 of 18957
Hmmn, then I need an optical out of the tv back to the avr and another optical/coax from the cable box to the avr to watch cable sources in surround. Now I have no option for a digital connection from my CD player. Isn't there some configuration that won't cause the avr to switch on when the tv is turned on, but still allows me to have arc back to the avr when i do want to utilize the receiver for signals from the tv?

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

+1 -- HDMI-CEC in the display causes more trouble than it's worth. If you forget about ARC for the built-in TV apps and instead go the tried-and-true route of just using an optical out from the TV to the receiver, it will make your life a lot easier.
post #16840 of 18957
Stop by my local Magnolia store and was just looking at the Denon's. Was going to go for a 2113ci. As I was debating on this unit I decided to walk around the area and found a home theatre wood console and there was a 3312ci sitting in the lower cavity. I started to ask the salesman, would you consider selling this unit as open-box? He said he'll check.....10 mins later, YES he can. So we started the price debate. No box, could not find the remote however.. had the CD manual and Audyssey mic, and FM/AM ants. I told him the missing remote was a deal breaker. So..he went on the hunt again and located it! So, open-box 3312ci, (looked like it never seen usage in the store) it was for display, anyway out the door $399.99 +tax with the 30 day return and full manufacture 3YR warranty. Was this a good deal? I thought it was too good of a deal to miss and a step up from the 2113ci I was eyeing.

Arrived home did a quick power up no issues. 4 hours later swapped out the old trusty Onkyo 706 and man what a difference!! The only issue now is that "missing" remote BB found and gave me was the remote for a 4520ci receiver, Uggggg! The remote has a little LCD on the top for sources I believe, anyway I found that some items are hard to locate or don't apply to the 3312ci. I plan on using my Harmony One, but does any one know where I can get the actual 3312ci remote? Or should I not worry about it and go with my Harmony? I just want to make sure I have all the functions of the Denon's remote on the Harmony.

So, now I have to go through Batpig's site/notes and decrypt the Denon manual and tweak this 3312ci up to full potential!biggrin.gif
post #16841 of 18957
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Originally Posted by cyberguy34 View Post

So, open-box 3312ci, (looked like it never seen usage in the store) it was for display, anyway out the door $399.99 +tax with the 30 day return and full manufacture 3YR warranty. Was this a good deal? I thought it was too good of a deal to miss and a step up from the 2113ci I was eyeing.

Was it a good deal? No, that doesn't begin to describe what you just scored. Nicely done.
post #16842 of 18957
Hello just wondering if anyone with the 3312ci knows if you can watch TV with no volume while also listening to a CD/Turntable with this receiver. If not does anyone know if the sr5006 or sr6006 offer this feature? My old Marantz sr4002 had this feature but these newer models don't seem to offer it. Thanks in advance and sorry if this has been covered already, or if i posted in the wrong section.
post #16843 of 18957
Thread Starter 
This feature exists (Video Select) but the problem is that it doesn't work with an HDMI source. So your options are sort of limited: either bypass the receiver for video from your cable box (HDMI straight to the TV, with a digital cable to the receiver for surround sound) or switch your connection for the cable box to component video + digital audio (no HDMI).
post #16844 of 18957
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by swizzchard View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by batpig View Post

+1 -- HDMI-CEC in the display causes more trouble than it's worth. If you forget about ARC for the built-in TV apps and instead go the tried-and-true route of just using an optical out from the TV to the receiver, it will make your life a lot easier.

Is cec required enabled to leverage arc?

Yes, unfortunately ARC is linked with CEC functionality. You need CEC enabled in BOTH the receiver and the display for it to work. This is one of the nasty parts about CEC... it's often all-or-nothing and you can't leave the useful features (ARC) activate while turning off the annoying ones (automatic input switching).
post #16845 of 18957
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by catalano View Post

Hmmn, then I need an optical out of the tv back to the avr and another optical/coax from the cable box to the avr to watch cable sources in surround. Now I have no option for a digital connection from my CD player. Isn't there some configuration that won't cause the avr to switch on when the tv is turned on, but still allows me to have arc back to the avr when i do want to utilize the receiver for signals from the tv?

You've misunderstood slightly. You can still leave the cable box connected with HDMI and utilize the standby pass through feature as you are doing today. This only requires HDMI Control enabled in the receiver, but NOT the HDMI-CEC in the display.

The only change is to the audio-return portion, since turning off HDMI-CEC in the display eliminates ARC functionality. So you don't need to add a digital cable for the cable box, you ONLY need to add it for the return channel from the TV to get the built-in apps.
post #16846 of 18957
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Originally Posted by Dru the Fu View Post

I tried again yesterday and last night with performing a firmware update hoping that if I tried at different times in the day it may succeed, and same results as above. This time though, I am receiving an auto-notification after turning on power to the receiver. I browsed through the device's web interface, but couldn't find any option to perform a firmware update, only finding mention to firmware notifications.
Any suggestions? The wife is big on listening to Pandora, so I'd like to get it working sometime soon.
Thanks
Dru - I had a similar issue and tried most of what you've detailed... What I didn't notice in your list was actually making a direct connection from the receiver to your modem, either by hard wire or putting the receiver's IP address in your router's DMZ.

The sequence that worked for me was: 1) put receiver's IP in router DMZ, 2) make sure you're hard-wired from receiver to router/modem, 3) start up receiver, 4) Switch input to anything but NET/USB, 5) DON'T check for update, just use "START".

I was sure I was going to have to bring my receiver in to a service center but using the above steps, I got the firmware updates complete (2 of them!) and Pandora has been happily playing since then...

FWIW, I also found about 4pm Pacific time was a great time to hit the firmware server (it's in Japan)...

Hope it works... I totally get your frustration... Been there...

Worst case, take it in to a local service center and have them do it...

Ron
post #16847 of 18957
Anyone have the Audyssey calibration process "Saving" hang at 99%? I ran the setup and then it hung at 99% for 15mins. I just powered off the receiver then powered it back on. I see the settings are in there, should I re-run the auto-setup?
post #16848 of 18957
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Originally Posted by JD in NJ View Post

Was it a good deal? No, that doesn't begin to describe what you just scored. Nicely done.
Me too! Just snagged a 3312 @ BB 400.00$ last night....Missing remote and Audessey mic...I was planning on using the pre outs to drive my power amps and use it as a processor....Is there any chance the receiver itself hooked up on its own could sound as good as a pre~power amp setup?
post #16849 of 18957
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Recently I have not been able to access my 2312ci via the web GUI or the AVR Remote android app on my phone. These seems to correlate with the recent f/w update. I have verified that Network Standby was set to on and the MAC ID of the AVR shows up in my router Web GUI. Id like this to work again mainly because I use the AVR remote App to adjust the center channel level occasionally and sometimes play to the 2312ci from my PC.

Has anyone else experienced this?
Is there a solution?

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Have you tried a "soft reset", i.e. unplugging the AVR for 10+ minutes, and then plugging back in and starting up again? There are some additional suggestions that JD has compiled in the beginning of this thread in the troubleshooting section.

This fixed it.. Thanks again!!
post #16850 of 18957
Had to create a new acct as password reset would not send me an e-mail after several days of trying. (Yes I checked spam, etc)

I have a Denon 3311, 791 and love them. I've picked up Denon's for friends. Another friend wants a 3313 or a 3312. I've looked online at authorized dealers and AVS Sponsored sites. Is there currently a good deal or code going on? Could someone message me if there is? JDSmoothie is clearly the best person to ask but....I'll take any suggestions.
post #16851 of 18957
I'm using a phono preamp into the Blu-ray RCA input as it allowed me to select RCA inputs. When I tried this with the CD input, it would not give me an RCA option. It was almost as if it was greyed out.

Does the Blu-ray input do anything differently than CD if I'm using RCA?

Thanks in advance for your help!
post #16852 of 18957
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Originally Posted by alan_ct View Post

Me too! Just snagged a 3312 @ BB 400.00$ last night....Missing remote and Audessey mic...I was planning on using the pre outs to drive my power amps and use it as a processor....Is there any chance the receiver itself hooked up on its own could sound as good as a pre~power amp setup?

Is there a chance? Yes. A good chance? Yes, unless you're pumping a great deal of power into your speakers. Most if not nearly all of the time there won't be any noticeable difference. If your setup allows you to outstrip the power capacity of the receiver, though, power amps would give you a bit more headroom. This would most likely only occur in some combination of a large room, insensitive speakers, high volume setting and some kind of extended explosions or some such in the program material.
post #16853 of 18957
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Basements View Post

I'm using a phono preamp into the Blu-ray RCA input as it allowed me to select RCA inputs. When I tried this with the CD input, it would not give me an RCA option. It was almost as if it was greyed out.

Does the Blu-ray input do anything differently than CD if I'm using RCA?

Thanks in advance for your help!

What do you mean by "select RCA inputs"? Are you talking about the input assign screen? In this case, the RCA refers to the component video inputs. The CD input is audio-only so there is no option for assigning a video source to this name.

You can however use the "Video Select" setting to match the audio from the CD input to the video from *another* source, as long as it's not HDMI.

If you could explain more clearly what you are trying to do it would help.
post #16854 of 18957
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Originally Posted by Jeff in Canada View Post

Had to create a new acct as password reset would not send me an e-mail after several days of trying. (Yes I checked spam, etc)

I have a Denon 3311, 791 and love them. I've picked up Denon's for friends. Another friend wants a 3313 or a 3312. I've looked online at authorized dealers and AVS Sponsored sites. Is there currently a good deal or code going on? Could someone message me if there is? JDSmoothie is clearly the best person to ask but....I'll take any suggestions.

The most often recommended sources are Electronics Expo and AVS Sales, although the former does not ship to Canada and not sure about AVS so give them a call.

Edit: AV Science does indeed ship to Canada. smile.gif
Edited by jdsmoothie - 1/11/13 at 4:26pm
post #16855 of 18957
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Originally Posted by Jeff in Canada View Post

Had to create a new acct as password reset would not send me an e-mail after several days of trying. (Yes I checked spam, etc)

I have a Denon 3311, 791 and love them. I've picked up Denon's for friends. Another friend wants a 3313 or a 3312. I've looked online at authorized dealers and AVS Sponsored sites. Is there currently a good deal or code going on? Could someone message me if there is? JDSmoothie is clearly the best person to ask but....I'll take any suggestions.

Future Shop has the 3313ci at $999 but deal ends Jan. 10 but maybe they will carry that price if you act quickly. It sucks that we pay more even though our dollar is at about par with the US.
post #16856 of 18957
I have been struggling with figuring out the best way to stream from my PC to my A/V setup.

I have a Panasonic 60GT50 and a Denon 2112. Id like to stream DirecTV content via the Internet onto my TV - both video and audio.

I tried connecting a PC to my Denon and struggled to get that to work. Earlier in this thread I was advised that there are tricky handshake issues that might make this challenging.

If anyone can give me advice on the best way to achieve this, Id really appreciate it. Should I be able to make this work by connecting either to the Panny or Denon via HDMI? Would this work more effectively if I had a different model of the Denon AVR? Are there certain models more well suited to managing this?

It seems like I should be able to get this to work, but Ive really struggled.

Thanks.
post #16857 of 18957
Thread Starter 
Sounds like your PC has an HDMI output, right? In theory, you should be able to hook up the PC to one of the HDMI inputs on the Denon for audio+video, and then pass the video along to the TV, just like any other source. That said, configuring PC's to work properly with a typical A/V setup isn't always easy, it's not guaranteed to be "plug and play" like a Blu-ray player or something.

It's irrelevant what model of Denon AVR you have, they all have the same HDMI inputs. It's more of a global issue of getting the PC to "play nice". In addition to HDMI handshake problems, there are a host of settings on the PC side for your video card that can affect things.

The first thing I would do is hook up the HDMI directly to your Panny plasma and try to get the computer working such that it is successfully outputting audio+video over HDMI. The reason is to eliminate the additional variable of the HDMI "repeater" (the receiver) in between the PC and the display. Once you can get HDMI output functioning from the PC, then you can try going through the AVR. If it doesn't work, you may end up having to go with a hybrid solution where you use HDMI to the display for video, and run a separate digital audio cable to the receiver for audio. Or possibly go audio+video with HDMI to the display and then pass the audio back to the receiver via either ARC or an optical cable.
post #16858 of 18957
Quick question about the setup mic for the 3312, it came with the ACM1HB mic, but all the Denon's documentation shows/lists the DMA409 mic for the 3312, are these the same or compatible? I hope I didn't receive the incorrect setup mic from the open-box purchase...
post #16859 of 18957
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Originally Posted by lirong View Post

I have been struggling with figuring out the best way to stream from my PC to my A/V setup.

I have a Panasonic 60GT50 and a Denon 2112. Id like to stream DirecTV content via the Internet onto my TV - both video and audio.

I tried connecting a PC to my Denon and struggled to get that to work. Earlier in this thread I was advised that there are tricky handshake issues that might make this challenging.

If anyone can give me advice on the best way to achieve this, Id really appreciate it. Should I be able to make this work by connecting either to the Panny or Denon via HDMI? Would this work more effectively if I had a different model of the Denon AVR? Are there certain models more well suited to managing this?

It seems like I should be able to get this to work, but Ive really struggled.

Thanks.

Why don't you just download it to your DVR, whatever you're attempting to stream to your PC, and watch it on your TV, or are you attempting to do something special?

post #16860 of 18957
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by cyberguy34 View Post

Quick question about the setup mic for the 3312, it came with the ACM1HB mic, but all the Denon's documentation shows/lists the DMA409 mic for the 3312, are these the same or compatible? I hope I didn't receive the incorrect setup mic from the open-box purchase...

It's the same mic, no worries. They changed the model number and cosmetics for the xx13 models but the mic itself is the same.
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