The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX12 Model Owner's Thread - Page 570

Even though you may have just posted yesterday, it always helps to indicate the AVR model number you have (2112CI in this case) as we cover 7 different models in this thread. Thanks.

1. AMP ASSIGN allows you to "assign" the the Surr Back/Amp Assign speaker posts to several other settings as noted in your owner's manual. The factory default setting is Zone 2 and is the correct setting with a 5.1 or 5.0 setup.

2. Your ears? Have you read the Audyssey 101/FAQ linked in my sig to ensure you have setup AUdyssey properly?

3. The AVR can only play what it receives. Not all stations that indicate DD actually broadcast in DD 5.1. Note that when the display reads DTS Neo:6, that is just one of the simulation modes used when a stereo signal is received. The more common setting woud be DD PLII - Cinema if you want to change it by pressing the MOVIE button on your Denon remote. Note also that normally there isn't going to much audio going to the side surrounds unless you're playing an action movie with a lot of sound effeccts. For the Superbowl, you may prefer using the "Mult CH Stereo" surround mode which will play the FL/FR audio in the SL/SR speakers and is generally a better mode to use with parties or when lots of people are milling around and the 5.1 surround sound isn't so important.

4. Yes. Press the "CH Level" button on the remote (noted in yellow in image below) and select the speaker/sub you want to adjust and then adjust the volume accordingly.




5. If you do a lot of movie/TV watching, you'll want to add a comparable sub to your setup sooner rather than later.

Wow you're a wealth of info, awesome. I did read the Audyssey...I had one question on that I'll get to in a sec.

I thought most HBO and Showtime etc shows were broadcast in Dolby? Is that incorrect? I just went through 8 HBO stations I have, and only 1 of them comes back with "dolby" on my AVR. The rest are the Neo setting. Just seems strange.

You said "Not all stations that indicate DD actually broadcast in DD 5.1." Just wondering...why? I mean if the station states thats how it's broadcast, why wouldnt it be broadcast like that?

Finally back to Audyssey...I read this:

"It is important to activate MultEQ by selecting one of the target curves. This is not performed by default after the calibration is finished and must be selected by the user. In a THX system we recommend using the Flat setting that allows the re-equalization to work as intended. In other systems, we recommend Audyssey for movie playback and Flat for music playback. Unfortunately, the music industry does not have any mixing standards like the movie industry so some music program material may sound better with the Audyssey setting. Front Align also uses the Audyssey process, but it does not apply the filters to the two front loudspeakers. Manual is not an Audyssey setting and does not use MultEQ filters. It is a simple parametric equalizer and will be subject to all the limitations that come with parametric EQ."

How do I ensure the bolded part was done by me correctly? And what the heck is a "target curve?"

Sorry for all the questions, this is all new to me. Thanks again.

You apparently plucked that info from another site which was written 5 years ago for another brand of AVR as on most current model AVRs (but more specifically on Denon AVRs) the Audyssey MultEQ "regular" curve (as opposed to the "Flat" curve) is automatically set after you run the AUTO SETUP process (so there is nothing to "activate") and is generally used by most owners for all types of music, although some prefer the Flat curve with Music or in smaller spaces.

As far as the DD is concerned, ensure you have your cable/sat box setup for Dolby Digital to be enabled (or ON). If you are not getting DD from any of these HD stations then more than likely the cable/sat box is not setup correctly. However, if you see Dolby Digital displayed for some stations and not others, then as I mentioned before it generally means the station broadcasting the video has chosen not to broadcast the DD 5.1 track.

Thanks. I will definitely check my cable box settings and report back. Do movies I record to my DVR that are being broadcast in Dolby allow for playback in Dolby? I assume so. Any instances when that wouldn't work?

I got that info from here btw: http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1

Yes, as long as there is DD on the audio track it will play back regardless of whether live or recorded. Yeh, I would defer to the Official guide posted in my sig as that was just info provided in a "general" context and doesn't apply to Denon AVRs.

Help!

I have had my 3312 for about 18 months. It is beginning to cut off during a Bluray play at elevated levels. This occurs when the cabinet door is open with plenty of ventilation. The unit is a little warm but again has plenty of ventilation. I can get through the Bluray with the volume turned down. There should really be no reason for it cutting off.

There had been no change in my speaker configuration. I have 5.2 set up with front/height.

Any input from users would be much appreciated as to why this keeps happening.

Thanks!

This usually means a loose speaker wire from one speaker post is touching another post so pull the AVR out of the stand and visually check all speaker post connections. If there is any in wall wiring, it can also mean that the wire casing has been breached by a nail or other sharp metal object.

I use banana plugs if that makes a difference, but I'll check for sure. Would running Audessey tell me enough about the connections? It's only when playing at louder than normal levels.

What about dust inside housing? Someone mentioned that to me tonight,

Audyssey? No. I'd look for a loose wire strand. Also if you are connecting to a wall plate, check there as well as at the speakers themselves.

Deleted and re posted in xx13 thread.
Edited by Teletodd - 2/3/13 at 8:22pm

I would say that cannot be ruled out. I have a computer that needs to have its CPU cleared of dust every few months or it starts shutting down.

Don't forget that "Dolby Digital" does not necessarily mean "5.1". Dolby encoding is used for only 2 channels, too. When only 2 channels are provided, then ProLogic and Neo:6 options are available. When 5.1 channels are provided, then ProLogic and Neo:6 can't be applied because all of the audio channels are already active. Sometimes broadcasters transmit 5.1 but only provide audio in the front two channels. This results in only the front speakers generating sound but ProLogic and Neo:6 not being available If you actually have a speaker system with 7.1 or more speakers, then there are options in the receiver to extend audio to the additional speakers.

Saw this just last night with the music channels provided by FiOS. Dolby Digital signal encoding two channels.

What are the differences between the denon 2809ci and 3312ci
Thx

@Selden,
Thanks for posting this. It explains something that has puzzled me ever since I got my 2112. (why ProLogic and Neo modes are not always available, even though the AVR displays DOLBY D).

You indicated that Dolby encoding can be "used for only 2 channels" by the broadcasters. Did you mean to say 2.1? IE - is there a Dolby mode that encodes only 2 channels, and another for 2.1 (and a third for 5.1)?

Thanks.

^^
Note that it's also possible that the TV station is broadcasting a 2CH signal over a DD 5.1 track in which case the AVR believes it's receiving a 5.1 signal (even though audio is only heard from the FL/FR speakers) and therefore no simulation mode (eg DD PLII, DTS Neo:6) can be used.

** Audyssey MultEQ XT Questions **


Hey guys, just picked up the Denon 1712 from A4L a few weeks ago and ran MultEQ XT. I like what it's done with everything in my setup, BUT it's made the tweeters too hot I believe. I'm getting some static or a kind of distortion from my tweeters (possibly upper midrange from the midrange drivers, but it sounds like the tweeters to me). My question is has anyone had this problem with Audyssey? I've got the EMP e55ti's toed in towards my main listening position, all 8 measurements were taken within 1-2 feet of that main position, etc. I've just discovered it shows you the (I think...1/3 octave) bands of what it did for the EQ (ie......+3db @ 40hz, +2.5db @ 60hz, etc etc....all the way through 20-20kHz). Can I just take the measurements Audyssey found (distance, levels and EQ) and manually put them in? Will that yield the same sound?

My reasoning is I'd like to put in the distance, levels and EQ of what Audyssey found into "manual EQ" and play with the top end a bit to see if I can get that resonance/distortion sound to go away.

Thanks a ton guys!

-- I thought I should mention that it's obvious on speech parts in Black Hawk Down, Hotel Translyvania and Seal Team Six. Those are the only 2 movies I've watched since I've done it. I've listened to quite a bit of music and I don't feel like I'm getting it nearly as bad (if audible at all) in music. It sounds like resonance or distortion to me, but it's of course...hard to describe if you're not here and can't hear it for yourselves. When I take it OFF Audyssey I can keep it at the same volume level on the AVR and not hear what I'm hearing.


Edit: Just realized I'll likely loose Dynamic EQ huh? Dang. I liked having that
Edited by ousooner2 - 2/4/13 at 12:24pm

Thanks JD

As this is a refurbished AVR it is possible that there is still a problem with the unit that was not detected by QC. Do you have another set of speakers that you could connect and calibrate to see if a similar problem appears?

Thanks
What is the audyssey dsx

a system to quickly and easily calibrate your home theatre system to your room

Well after looking at the EQ, I think it's added way too much on the high end and that's resulting in that distortion I'm hearing. Here's what it gave me:


Front Left
63hz: +1db
125hz:+0.5db
250hz: +2db
500hz: +1db
1kHz: -0.5db
2kHz: +3db
4kHz:+1.5db
8kHz: +2.5db
16kHz: +3.5db

Front Right
63hz:+1db
125hz: -1db
250hz: +1.5db
500hz: +1.5db
1kHz: -0.5db
2kHz: +2.5db
4kHz: +1db
8kHz: +4db
16kHz: +5.5db

Center
63hz: -1db
125hz: -2.5db
250hz: +5.5db
500hz: +5db
1kHz: +1.5db
2kHz: -1.5db
4kHz: +2.5db
8kHz: +3db
16kHz: +3db

hi guys, is there a maximum file size of jpg or jpeg picture files to be opened? i've connected the 3312 to a nas but its not reading all the pictures in a folder.

Good question. Not sure if anyone has ever posted of a max file size.

Adds Front Height and Front Wide speaker capability.

http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/audyssey-dsx

This issue may be answered with the Audyssey 101/FAQ post below ....

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51700_100#user_a9

The response that Audyssey is seeing in your room does not jibe with the specifications for your speakers very well. The manufacturer states "40Hz-20kHz ±3dB", and while your room has an effect, that +5.5 dB at 16 kHz is jumping out at me saying "look! I'm a problem!". That front right speaker is either a bit defective or is in a bad position, IMHO. The dip around 250 to 500 on the center is of concern as well.

Thanks. I'll have a look


Yeah that's what I was thinking. They've been measured by Audioholics and various other places all showing +/- 2db-ish. I have a large room (3600cubicfeet and open), but I wouldn't think it's attenuating the highs that much. No room treatments or anything.

I'll run some pink noise through them individually and see why I might be getting these results. Any other ideas besides doing this and seeing if I can hear that their down in spl too much or something?

I wonder if phasing issues up high would cause that bump? I know (or thought I did) when you get that high where the +5 and +5.5, etc are that it's mostly spl/level matching that we can pick out problems with over phasing issues, like down in the midbass/subbass area.