The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX12 Model Owner's Thread - Page 572

Look at your router and see if the device is connected. You will the MAC address and the IP address. Try and ping it from a PC to see if it is really there. If your device is missing look at the logs on the router. Turn off the Denon. Turn off the router. Wait a minute. Turn on the router. Wait until the computers inside the house can connect to the Internet again. Then turn on the Denon. See what happens. View logs to diagnosis, in case there is a problem.

I have a 1612 hooked up to an Apple TV by HDMI, which works beautifully, but occasionally I watch TV OTA and I have an audio delay problem that I can't seem to fix. The TV (LG CS570, 42") is connected to an antenna and then the receiver is connected by an optical cable. Even though I am not using the ARC feature, the TV is aware of the receiver, through Simplink, for what that's worth.

I have the audio delay on the receiver set to 0, I have also tried turning the lip sync option on or off. I've searched around, but I can't seem to find any suggestions to fix this.

I was playing around with my year old 2112 the other day and noticed when I switched off my sub from the AVR and set my fronts (Klipsch RF-82) to large full range it sounded better. It had more bass than with a sub. So I decided it was time to replace my old JBL 10" sub. I picked up a Klipsch SW-450 Subwoofer to go with my two fronts that I have owned for a few years. After hooking it up and playing with it for a few days, I liked the way it sounded but still the fronts sounded as good or better without a sub as long as I set them to large full range. When I turned on the sub it took all the bass from the fronts. So I got to thinking how could I get my fronts and my sub both to play bass instead of one or the other. So what I did was run wire from my fronts to the speaker level in terminals on the sub and BAM a much fuller warmer sound with all the bass you can stand. I just thought I would post this for people that have towers that may want more bass without running two subs. Sounds great to my family and my ears. I always thought it sounded like something was lacking and a little bright before I did this!

If you're happiest with bass coming from both your sub and your mains, that's what the "LFE + Main" setting is for. You don't need to change the wiring.

Generally the audio is ahead of the video which is when the Audio Delay setting on the AVR can be used; however, you're saying the the video is ahead of the audio? If yes, try turning on some video processing on the TV to slow the video signal down.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 2/9/13 at 12:43pm

LFE + Main didn't send the amount of bass to the fronts like turning off the sub does, on my unit anyway

LFE+MAIN only works when the front mains are set to LARGE ... as the other JD notes, doing so will then pass the lower frequencies from the FL/FR speakers to the sub which is the intended result you're after (ie. double bass).

I know its suspose to but theres very little bass from the fronts. I owned two HK units in the past and they worked that way but this Denon sends very little bass to the fronts unless the sub setting is off. I have played with it for over a year. I know all about the small vs large settings and double bass

Then there is apparently an issue with your unit. With the FL/FR speakers set to LARGE, did you raise their crossover settings up to at least 80Hz?

Yes JD. If my unit is defective it will be the third one. I’m the guy that retuned all those units that had the NET/USB GUI not showing. and I still have that issue. Wait when there large there full band so no.But I did when I had them set to small.
Edited by J e f f - 2/9/13 at 2:16pm

Sorry, but I barely remember the posts I made the previous day let alone last month regardless of whether in this thread or not so no, don't recall your prior posts. When the Front mains are set to LARGE, their crossovers must be raised to at least 80Hz if you want their low bass frequencies to be pass to the sub using the LFE+MAIN setting. Not having done so is likely why you're you experienced the lack of bass going to the sub.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 2/9/13 at 4:57pm

Agreed. But I read somewhere With the Denon receivers, setting the front L/R speakers to "large LFE+MAIN does NOT result in sending the .1 LFE signals to the fronts. And on my 2112 it does not.... defective or not. Now if you turn off the sub in the menu the fronts kick in hard

That is correct. The LFE and LFE+MAIN are "sub" settings, not front main settings. The LFE (.1) signal is the subwoofer channel signal and therefore will only go to the front mains if there is no subwoofer in the setup (ie. sub = None). Your Front mains were not playing any low bass when set to SMALL/80Hz as the lower frequencies were being passed to the sub. Setting your Front mains to LARGE/80Hz and the sub to LFE+MAIN will pass a full range signal to the front mains (ie. LARGE) as well as passing the lower end front signal to the sub along with the LFE (.1) signal (ie. LFE+MAIN).

I total agree and that’s exactly the way I understood it to work. So obviously I have another defective unit. My past AVRS worked this way and I thought it was just the way Denon made their units. So bummed with Denon right now.

Help with Denon AVR-2112ci please!

I purchased an AVR-2112ci from Best Buy last month... it was brand new in the box and a really good deal on closeout. I've had some issues with it and I'm not sure if it's just my lack of knowledge setting it up or if there is something wrong with it. I have a Samsung LCD tv and a Samsung Blu Ray player. I have the Blu Ray connect to the receiver via HDMI and the receiver connected to the TV via HDMI. Right now I have nothing else hooked up to the receiver except a network cable. I initially had a tough time getting audio from the Blu Ray player to come through. The "PCM" display on the Denon would flash on and off especially if I was playing a CD and had the TV turned off. That works now that I've disabled all of the extra HDMI features on the TV and Blu Ray (auto power off, CEC, etc). I still have two problems:

1. With the TV and receiver on (Blu Ray on/off doesn't matter), if I'm using the on screen display from the Denon it will intermittently lose the display and the tv screen will be snow (static). This will happen for a few seconds and then the on screen display will return.

2. I've tried to get HDMI pass through to work so other people can watch TV that don't know how to operate the receiver (babysitter, etc.). If I have the TV, receiver, and Blu Ray all turned on and then turn the receiver off the HDMI does continue to pass through but if everything is off and I turn on the TV and Blu Ray (which is the realistic scenario) the receiver doesn't pass the HDMI signal.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix the above? I'm wondering if there is something actually wrong with the receiver and I'm quickly approaching the end of my return window at Best Buy so any advice would be appreciated!

Thanks,
Chris

1. Could be a defective unit. Try resetting the microprocessor as noted in post #5 of this thread.
2. The BDP may have to be reset to PCM (vice bitstream) stereo in order to pass to the TV when the AVR is in Standby mode.

so i am still waiting for my Harmony One to arrive in the mail so I can program it to run my 3312. I bought an open box 3312 from Best Buy and they only had the 3313 remote to give me. For the most part that remote works fine. The one thing it doesnt do is power it on/off. Is this something I should be worried about or is more likely the 3313 remote cannot turn the 3312 on/off. I should have the Harmony by Thursday and will know more then but I thought I would pose the question in here in case one of you very experience folks knows the answer

I reset the microprocessor per the recommendation and now the HDMI pass through is working! I haven't seen any issues with the on screen display either so that might have done the trick. Thanks for tip!!!

Chris

I'm hoping one of you smart guys can help me out since my comprehension skills are not working this week.

I got an AVR-2312 refurb this week to replace an AVR-988 I bought four years ago. Nothing wrong with the 988, except there aren't enough HDMI inputs on it (there really wasn't back then either, but I got a deal on it).

Anyway, I've torn apart my whole set-up and replaced cables that were too long, upgraded a few components, and finally figured how to properly configure a couple of things I had wrong for four years. I haven't run the Audissey yet since I still have a few connection problems and questions:

1. I still have a LaserDisc player in my set-up. I am using the PVR input using analog composite video, analog L/R, and Optical digital inputs. I'm gold when I'm playing a disc with digital audio, but there is no sound on discs with analog only audio. I've played with the settings on the LD, but it seems I can have digital or analog audio on an input, but not both. The LD has two video and audio outputs, so I guess as a work-around I could have an LD Digital and an LD Analog setup, but I don't want to burn up two inputs for one device. Worked fine on the old receiver. Any thoughts?

2. I have an HTPC with an HDMI output. The AVR recognizes it during the boot process, but loses the signal once Windows starts. Worked fine on the old receiver. Any thoughts?

3. Am I right to assume "sparklies " on an HDMI input indicates that the cable is bad? The signal on the BluRay when the movie is stopped shows faint sparkles in the background with an intermittent flash, like the cable is loose. However once the movie starts, everything is OK. Replace the cable or bad HDMI jack?

4. Is is me or is the black level on the menus more like charcoal gray than black? Even the boot screen background on the HTPC is charcoal, not black like on a computer monitor.

Thanks to anyone who can point me in the right direction, otherwise it might take me years to figure it out on my own (like a problem I had with my digital turntable).

Bob

I forgot to thank you for your help with my problem: Thank You! You and Batpig provide more customer service for Denon than Denon itself; I hope they keep at least throw some swag your way.


After I still have two of the three problems, but have work-arounds for them.

1. My issue with the HTPC is worked-around by running an HDMI to the TV and using an optical from the HTPC to the receiver. I do have to switch video inputs on the TV along with audio inputs on the receiver, however I had to do this with my old receiver that didn't have enough HDMI inputs for everything.

2. The laserdisc problem is worked-around by actually setting two inputs to it on the receiver - a digital one with composite video and an analog one with composite video. But I fear the ultimate solution is near: dumping the LD since it is starting to act flaky. I'll have to digitize anything I can't replace first I guess.

Again, thanks for your help. I'm sure there are more questions in my future since I haven't run the Audyssey set-up yet.

Bob

This is a fairly minor query, but could anyone recommend a (very) cheap remote as a back-up for my 1712?

I know the Harmony is great, but I'm entirely satisfied using CEC & my very comfortable Samsung remote to control basic ops on the avr & my Oppo BDP93, My Denon remote is dying (volume control dead and channel level almost dead). Before I crack open the remote to clean the contact I want some sort of back-up on hand just in case I foul it up even more.

Thanks.

The lower model Harmony remotes cost <$50 and you can likely find one of them used for even less on Craigslist.

N
I got a New egg refurbs of the lower 200 and 300 around 10-15 so grab one of those.

Time has come to send in the refurb 3312 for servce. Sending it to the OEM in NJ.

It has the reboot loop problem. After being on for a bit, if you turn it off and back on, it keeps restarting over and over. It used to be ok if I left it off for an hour. Then that was not enough. Had to unplug for an hour. Now that does not work anymore. Tried many processor resets, all wires off, ect.

Purchased the refurb from MacMall which is an authorized Denon dealer according to MM and Denon. So one year warranty for a refurb.

Swapped it with a spare 1912. Almost seems like the 3312 sounded better and had a better picture. I did have the video tweaked on the 3312 just a litte. Not much.

Any thoughts on this? I am hoping this isn't hinting at there is a probelm with my open box item

I have the following system:

Denon AVR 3312 Receiver
Klipsch RF-82 ii
Klipsch RC-62 ii
Klipsch RS-52 ii
Klipsch R-12D

I am planning to setup my theater system in the next coming days. Originally I was planning to connect all my devices via HDMI to the receiver and then one HDMI connection from the receiver to the TV. But my friend is saying that it is actually better to connect an optical from the source to the receiver to get better audio quality. Is this true? The way he has it set up is that the HDMI from the source (say PS3) here is connecting to the TV and the optical for audio is connected to the receiver. Which way is better?

From the directions and everything I had read it appeared to just connect HDMI from the source to the receiver but I want to make sure I am getting the best possible sound quality.

Thanks,

TVMan1414

Your friend is wrong. Use HDMI

I would agree with this for the most part. I do know that sometimes due to HDMI handshake issues it makes sense to use a secondary audio cable (optical, etc.) to connect to the AVR. However, if you dont have the issues, HDMI is preferred and only one connection is needed to the TV

So I've gotten my computer hooked up to my 1912 and the only problem is that the sound is coming out of my computer speakers instead of my regular speakers. Does anyone know how to get this working? I'm pretty sure that I've seen a few posts about this but I can't find them. Thanks for any help.

Go to control panel, sound, and change the default playback device.

I was reading the manual about A&B fronts. Does that mean you can play four speakers at once in the front? What is that for just more of a "sound-stage" or whatever the proper term is?