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post #17191 of 17929
2/14/13 at 11:45am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

It's dictated by the source. DTS vs. Dolby is an audio encode that will be part of the source itself. When the receiver receives a Dolby Digital signal, it will decode Dolby Digital. Same for a DTS Surround signal.

Note that this applies to MULTICHANNEL inputs. When you want to "upmix" a 2ch stereo input to 5.1/7.1 surround sound, then you apply whichever "post processing" scheme you desire. In this case, you can choose between the Dolby and DTS flavors (Pro Logic vs. Neo) or Denon's built-in modes like MultiCH Stereo.

It's confusing but the key is to understand the difference between discrete multichannel inputs, where it's already coming in as 5.1 audio packed into a codec like Dolby Digital, and all the receiver has to do is unpack the audio from the encoding container, versus stereo inputs where the receiver has to apply additional processing to mix the extra channels.

Gotcha, so this is more applicable for 2-channel music/stereo when you want to force it to chose. Is there one that is better than the other or is it a preferance like everything else on here smile.gif
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post #17192 of 17929
2/14/13 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

Gotcha, so this is more applicable for 2-channel music/stereo when you want to force it to chose. Is there one that is better than the other or is it a preferance like everything else on here smile.gif

Far as I can tell, pure preference. FWIW (dang little) I use Dolby PLII to expand stereo to 5 channels ( have all the settings set pretty conservatively). Some-to-many would contend it's best just to play back stereo as stereo, though . . . . It;s kind of fun to listen to the different ways the DTS and DD processes work. Worth half an afternoon, anyway, IMO. Then you'll have a good feeling for what works best for your ears in your room with your speakers.
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post #17193 of 17929
2/14/13 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by JHAz View Post

Far as I can tell, pure preference. FWIW (dang little) I use Dolby PLII to expand stereo to 5 channels ( have all the settings set pretty conservatively). Some-to-many would contend it's best just to play back stereo as stereo, though . . . . It;s kind of fun to listen to the different ways the DTS and DD processes work. Worth half an afternoon, anyway, IMO. Then you'll have a good feeling for what works best for your ears in your room with your speakers.

Thank you! This is very helpful and I truly appreciate the willingness to teach. Is this an easy thing to configure within the AVR and it only kicks in when 5.1 is not engaged? I have a lot of learning to do. I completely agree it is worth the afternoon to just enjoy and tinker with this stuff. Tomorrow I am getting my denon (3312) and Def Tech 8060s/8040s setup. I can hardly wait!
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post #17194 of 17929
2/14/13 at 12:47pm
Hello,

I have a question regarding the subwoofer output for my receiver. My problem is it works perfectly for movies and games, but not for music. The receiver is hooked up to both my PC and PS3 and neither gets any output to the subwoofer when playing any music. This happens for both MP3's and the original audio CD's. I'm assuming this has to do with interpreting a stereo signal, but I can't figure it out.

I've read various articles that mentioned solutions such as setting my front speakers to "small", de-selecting "full-range" speakers in Windows, etc. and nothing has worked. Changing the "surround mode" on the receiver also does not fix it.

Since this affects both the PC and the PS3, either I have the same setting misconfigured twice (entirely a possibility), or it's a setting with the receiver.

Thank you for any help.
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post #17195 of 17929
2/14/13 at 1:30pm
vendril74,

Verify that you haven't accidentally enabled Direct in the receiver. When Direct is on, bass management is disabled, so stereo inputs will be sent only to the front left and right speakers and nothing will be sent to the subwoofer.
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post #17196 of 17929
2/14/13 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

Thank you! This is very helpful and I truly appreciate the willingness to teach. Is this an easy thing to configure within the AVR and it only kicks in when 5.1 is not engaged? I have a lot of learning to do. I completely agree it is worth the afternoon to just enjoy and tinker with this stuff. Tomorrow I am getting my denon (3312) and Def Tech 8060s/8040s setup. I can hardly wait!

MNaudioguy,

It sounds like we have a lot in common. I as well am trying to learn all this new information. I am very green to home theater systems as well. Your setup is a little different then mine, I am running a Klipsch system. But I appreciate your questions as well in the forum because they are they same thing I was curious about. Also I appreciate everyone's willingness to help out. I do have one other concern regarding the whole surround sound mode to choose and 2 channel items. I am more worried about the mentioning of when its not multi-channel sound coming through that is when you pick a surround mode and force it to 5.1/7.1/etc. Shouldn't most of my input to the receiver be multi-channel already, meaning I won't have to mess with choosing the surround sound mode? Also regarding the comments earlier and from reading the owners manual, I know there are several options when using a source to choose audio as Cinema, Movie, Game, or Direct. Does anyone really assign the Game sound setting when playing a game system or do you just choose Cinema and roll with that for any source? Just confused a little.

Also, if I use my PS3 for games and movies, which HDMI input on the back of the 3312 receiver do I need to plug it into? The Blu-Ray marked input or Game 1/2 marked input? Or does it even matter? I wasn't sure if the HDMI (IN) that was labeled on the back of the receiver affected anything.

Thanks Again,

TVMan1414
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post #17197 of 17929
2/14/13 at 4:46pm
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Originally Posted by vendril74 View Post

Hello,

I have a question regarding the subwoofer output for my receiver. My problem is it works perfectly for movies and games, but not for music. The receiver is hooked up to both my PC and PS3 and neither gets any output to the subwoofer when playing any music. This happens for both MP3's and the original audio CD's. I'm assuming this has to do with interpreting a stereo signal, but I can't figure it out.

I've read various articles that mentioned solutions such as setting my front speakers to "small", de-selecting "full-range" speakers in Windows, etc. and nothing has worked. Changing the "surround mode" on the receiver also does not fix it.

Since this affects both the PC and the PS3, either I have the same setting misconfigured twice (entirely a possibility), or it's a setting with the receiver.

Thank you for any help.

This usually results from the FL/FR speakers being left as LARGE after running Audyssey rather than changing them to SMALL/80Hz as is the recommended setting. Movies and games are generally 5.1 so there's dedicated output to the sub (ie. LFE 0.1) regardless of whether the front mains are set to LARGE, while stereo 2.0 music has no such dedicated LFE signal and therefore when set to LARGE there is no signal to the sub.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_A2
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post #17198 of 17929
2/14/13 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by CNLiberal View Post

You haven't told us the filetype for the music that "failed".

Have you tried unplugging, waiting 10 seconds then plugging the AVR back in? If that doesn't work, have you tried a microprocessor reset? That means you have to save your config, then performing this procedure.

mostly flac, and mp3 @320

u mean to unplug the avr power source as first solution? i'll try that.

how do i save config prior to performing a reset?
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post #17199 of 17929
2/15/13 at 2:18am
File SAVE/LOAD - Web Control - pp. 80-81

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_E10
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post #17200 of 17929
2/15/13 at 3:11am
Just saying hey. Replacing an Onkyo 809 with the 3312, could not pass up the deal and did not want to spend a ton of money. I switched from being a two time Denon owner last year to Onkyo, and just havent felt its the right fit with my Klipsch towers and center.
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post #17201 of 17929
2/15/13 at 11:04am
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Originally Posted by TVMan1414 View Post

MNaudioguy,

It sounds like we have a lot in common. I as well am trying to learn all this new information. I am very green to home theater systems as well. Your setup is a little different then mine, I am running a Klipsch system. But I appreciate your questions as well in the forum because they are they same thing I was curious about. Also I appreciate everyone's willingness to help out. I do have one other concern regarding the whole surround sound mode to choose and 2 channel items. I am more worried about the mentioning of when its not multi-channel sound coming through that is when you pick a surround mode and force it to 5.1/7.1/etc. Shouldn't most of my input to the receiver be multi-channel already, meaning I won't have to mess with choosing the surround sound mode? Also regarding the comments earlier and from reading the owners manual, I know there are several options when using a source to choose audio as Cinema, Movie, Game, or Direct. Does anyone really assign the Game sound setting when playing a game system or do you just choose Cinema and roll with that for any source? Just confused a little.

Also, if I use my PS3 for games and movies, which HDMI input on the back of the 3312 receiver do I need to plug it into? The Blu-Ray marked input or Game 1/2 marked input? Or does it even matter? I wasn't sure if the HDMI (IN) that was labeled on the back of the receiver affected anything.

Thanks Again,

TVMan1414

Can anyone help me out on this?

Thanks again for any input and suggestions
TVMan1414
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post #17202 of 17929
2/15/13 at 11:53am
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by TVMan1414 View Post

Can anyone help me out on this?

Thanks again for any input and suggestions
TVMan1414

Here you go smile.gif

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I do have one other concern regarding the whole surround sound mode to choose and 2 channel items. I am more worried about the mentioning of when its not multi-channel sound coming through that is when you pick a surround mode and force it to 5.1/7.1/etc. Shouldn't most of my input to the receiver be multi-channel already, meaning I won't have to mess with choosing the surround sound mode?

Not necessarily. Many TV broadcasts (especially standard def) and streaming content (e.g. Netflix), plus nearly all music, will be 2ch.

If the receiver gets a multich input it will "lock on" to the correct decoding, but for a 2ch input you need to decide whether you want to leave it at 2ch or upmix it to 5.1/7.1.

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Also regarding the comments earlier and from reading the owners manual, I know there are several options when using a source to choose audio as Cinema, Movie, Game, or Direct. Does anyone really assign the Game sound setting when playing a game system or do you just choose Cinema and roll with that for any source? Just confused a little.

The buttons are just "shortcuts" that you can memorize with the mode you used the most. So, for example, you could assign the STEREO mode to the "Game" button so you have a quick one-button access when you want to switch to straight 2ch (e.g. with music).

The Cinema button should be correct for any video/film source but you won't want to use it with music sources.

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Also, if I use my PS3 for games and movies, which HDMI input on the back of the 3312 receiver do I need to plug it into? The Blu-Ray marked input or Game 1/2 marked input? Or does it even matter? I wasn't sure if the HDMI (IN) that was labeled on the back of the receiver affected anything.

Doesn't matter, the labels are just "default" names and are meaningless, there is no functional difference between the HDMI inputs.
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post #17203 of 17929
2/15/13 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

there is no functional difference between the HDMI inputs.

A quibble: some people have reported that when an HDMI connection seems to be marginal, there are just enough electrical differences in the different HDMI inputs (perhaps due to the length of the traces on the circuit board) that one should try all of the receiver's inputs to see if one works better than the others. I've seen the claim that the input HDMI connection closest to the HDMI output(s) often is the most reliable.
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post #17204 of 17929
2/15/13 at 12:45pm
Thread Starter 
Yes, I am aware but I was trying to keep things simple in the context of the question. wink.gif
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post #17205 of 17929
2/15/13 at 12:48pm
Understood. Sometimes there can be just too much information available.
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post #17206 of 17929
2/15/13 at 1:16pm
Hi, can someone advise me if there is a big difference in the 2312 vs 3312, other than the price being $200 less...would a non technical, just watching tv and movies person notice a difference in the two receivers?

Thank you
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post #17207 of 17929
2/15/13 at 1:25pm
Thread Starter 
Read the first two posts of this thread, all the differences between the models are laid out in great detail.

Sound quality should be identical, the difference is the features.
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post #17208 of 17929
2/15/13 at 3:20pm
anyone have the correct 5 digit remote code for a Toshiba HD-XA2 HD DVD Player? smile.gif
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post #17209 of 17929
2/15/13 at 4:06pm
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

A quibble: some people have reported that when an HDMI connection seems to be marginal, there are just enough electrical differences in the different HDMI inputs (perhaps due to the length of the traces on the circuit board) that one should try all of the receiver's inputs to see if one works better than the others. I've seen the claim that the input HDMI connection closest to the HDMI output(s) often is the most reliable.

Not a quibble at all actually, rather actually much better to let folks know that the HDMI inputs are not necessarily all created equal and that if the first one doesn't work, try the others as one might work better than another.
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post #17210 of 17929
2/15/13 at 4:08pm
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

anyone have the correct 5 digit remote code for a Toshiba HD-XA2 HD DVD Player? smile.gif

The following codes are llsted in the 3313CI Owner's manual .. give them a try.

30503, 32705
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post #17211 of 17929
2/15/13 at 5:16pm
thanks, tried those and 11524; NO JOY rolleyes.gif

Most likely code : 20503
Others to try : 21769, 21154, 20695, 21045, 21503
Edited by SanchoPanza - 2/16/13 at 11:57am
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post #17212 of 17929
2/15/13 at 7:07pm
Not sure if this is the right place or not.. I have a avr 1912 (over a year now) and recently, whenever I use airplay, the receive becomes 'unstable' afterwards..

It will do all or none of the following after ending an airplay connection:


- Not responding to volume changing from the remote or knob
- Not switch inputs as commanded from the remote or panel
- The input 'displayed' on the lcd changes, but the tv will remain no signal/black


pulling the plug for 5 seconds or so and powering right back up seems to clear all issues and return the 1912 to normal operation until I use airplay again..


Anyone have any ideas?! Help!!
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post #17213 of 17929
2/15/13 at 7:39pm
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Originally Posted by Douglas Todd View Post

Not sure if this is the right place or not.. I have a avr 1912 (over a year now) and recently, whenever I use airplay, the receive becomes 'unstable' afterwards..

It will do all or none of the following after ending an airplay connection:


- Not responding to volume changing from the remote or knob
- Not switch inputs as commanded from the remote or panel
- The input 'displayed' on the lcd changes, but the tv will remain no signal/black


pulling the plug for 5 seconds or so and powering right back up seems to clear all issues and return the 1912 to normal operation until I use airplay again..


Anyone have any ideas?! Help!!

Does it respond from the webpage interface? Factory reset help?
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post #17214 of 17929
2/15/13 at 8:22pm
web page responds, but same effect on trying to perform input changes or volume adjustments... just did a reset on the unit (PWR/Preset2/Preset3 reset) and will report back once I test more smile.gif
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post #17215 of 17929
2/16/13 at 5:44am
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Originally Posted by Douglas Todd View Post

Not sure if this is the right place or not.. I have a avr 1912 (over a year now) and recently, whenever I use airplay, the receive becomes 'unstable' afterwards..

It will do all or none of the following after ending an airplay connection:


- Not responding to volume changing from the remote or knob
- Not switch inputs as commanded from the remote or panel
- The input 'displayed' on the lcd changes, but the tv will remain no signal/black


pulling the plug for 5 seconds or so and powering right back up seems to clear all issues and return the 1912 to normal operation until I use airplay again..


Anyone have any ideas?! Help!!

When you are done with the Airplay source, do you use the remote to STOP it or do you just switch to another source? If th latter try the former.
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post #17216 of 17929
2/16/13 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

When you are done with the Airplay source, do you use the remote to STOP it or do you just switch to another source? If th latter try the former.


I generally kill iTunes and then change sources afterward... Never had to do it any other way before.. I am on the latest build of the firmware, so I'm not sure if that changed anything for the worse..


meanwhile, it was late last night, so I didn't test much.. will report back today after getting some testing in post-reset..
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post #17217 of 17929
2/16/13 at 9:42am
Help! So I have a 2112. I did the pandora firmware update last month and it worked great. But now, when I select "NET/USB" the pandora screen comes on and "New Station" is highlighted, but I cannot select anything. It's stuck. I can't exit, or go back, or play internet radio, or anything else within the NET/USB universe. Just staring at the Pandora home screen with the list of my stations and no ability to do anything else.

Has anyone dealt with a similar situation? Any thoughts?

Thanks!
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post #17218 of 17929
2/16/13 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Audyssey? No. I'd look for a loose wire strand. Also if you are connecting to a wall plate, check there as well as at the speakers themselves.

Okay, I have checked all connections. All banana plugs are free from each other and there are no wires are touching, no loose strands etc (that I can see)

The AVR is still cutting off at high volumes. The AVR does seem hot, but there is plenty of ventilation behind it. This seems to only happen when played at 65 volume (absolute)

I am about to throw this unit out of the window!!! Any other suggestions?
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post #17219 of 17929
2/16/13 at 1:30pm
I am having trouble knowing if i selected an audyssey curve or not on my 3312. If i go into speaker setup-auto setup-parameter check. I see audyssey and audssey flat under "EQ Check". However, it doesnt seem to allow me to check or select one. it just shows me some graphs. i attempt to hit "enter" on the audyssey selection but it doesnt do anything and there is not a confirmation when i back out of the screen.

I also notice this setting under audio setup-eq customize. However, there is either Audyssey Byp L/R or Audyssey Flat and they are both defaulted to "on". From what I read any audyssey curve on the denon defaults to off so is this the right place to even turn it on? Am I doing something wrong?
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post #17220 of 17929
2/16/13 at 2:18pm
That menu item lets you disable specific EQ curves, but it isn't how you choose it.

I'm writing this from memory, so I may have a specific name wrong, but basically you need to find the menu item "Audio Setup", and from there pick "Audyssey Settings". This screen will allow you to choose Audyssey, Audyssey flat, 2ch bypass or disable Audyssey altogether. The same menu item has the selections for whether or not Dynamic EQ is enabled as well as Dynamic Volume.
Edited by JD in NJ - 2/17/13 at 3:06pm
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