The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX12 Model Owner's Thread - Page 580

Finally got my front sound stage working nicely just working on the 2 surrounds just trying get them to play together nicer.Wow these denons pack a punch i notice right when i got one it opened my speakers up more there alot different the HK i gained more bass and clarity might just stick with denons avr.
Edited by ryu4000 - 3/4/13 at 5:55am

I am a newbie to home theater setup. But just bought the AVR 3312 and ran the auto setup. The volume isn't as loud as I expected. It's connected to 5 MartinLogan Helos 100 in-ceiling speakers. Not sure if the issue is because I don't have a subwoofer. I checked the volume limit and it is set to off.

Be aware that those are 4 ohm speakers and most AVR's are typically rated for 6 ohm or higher.

has anyone here successfully used ARC from a Panasonic GT50? I was messing with the various settings on the receiver and tv to get it to work for the viera apps, but was not successful.

I have cec on for both units, the tv source switches over when it detects ARC, but no sound from my HT speakers...only from the tv

Looking forward to testing it with Dyn Vol turned off. Cant remember exactly what the volume number was. I think it was in the -20db to -15db range. It gets a little loud but not extremely loud. The channel level setting for the speakers range in the -4, -4.5 and -5. Not sure if I need to bump it up.

The volume control is logarithmic. After calibration and with Dyn Vol off, most people listen to movies at around -20 to -25 and CDs at about -30 to -35. There's no need to play with the individual channel level settings. Just increase the master volume level.

-15 to -20 is typical listening levels. It does sound as though Dyn Vol is probably on, which would dampen the perceived volume. IIRC auto setup asks to enable it and defaults to on. Also bear in mind that those are smallish speakers you're using there, relatively small when compared to multi-driver towers.

I had alot of issue setting up my 3213, but eventually got it working. Here are a few things that I did which worked in the end. Not sure which one worked in the end... took ages to work it out.

1. change PPPoE to PPPoA on the modem / wireless router. Denon seems to prefer the PPPoA settings.
2. Turn on multicasting
3. Turn off IGMP snooping.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. My setup sounds 10 times better now. By setting the Dyn Vol off, I was able to hear the explosions and gunshots as it was intended. In addition, thank you for explaining Denon logarithmic scale. I didnt know that you have to turn it up 2/3 of the max for avg volume level. I saw this on the first page of the thread. (e. Master Volume Adjustment: Unlike perhaps your older receiver that was really loud at say 1/4 of the max volume scale, Denon AVRs use a logarithmic scale and will require the volume turned to roughly 2/3 of the maximum for average volume levels)

IIRC one of the setup options is the choice between "relative" or "absolute" volume display on the front panel. Where the default setting is relative to the reference level as measured by the setup microphone, the absolute level is more what you may be accustomed to, measured on a scale from 0-100, presumably 100 being 100% maximum output (I've never used absolute myself so this is an assumption on my part).

In practice, most movies play around -20, though some soundtracks may need -10 or higher for quieter dialogue to be understood. Also as mentioned above, some music sources are played at around -40db. Although you can adjust the level of gain for each input, I've found that the +/- 6db range doesn't really allow true leveling of all sources. Note that once you find a good starting point for each input, save it as one of the quick select buttons. That way, when switching from a "quiet" source to a "hot" source you don't risk blowing a speaker or eardrum.

Well, I shipped my 2312 off to New Jersey today. I hope it gets turned around pretty quickly....

Please let us know the details.

I am a newbie when it comes to audio.

My setup Denon AVR-3313CI Fronts P363, Center PC351, and rears P163.

Today replaced my Polk PSW10 with a PSW 505 the price was in my budget, from all the reviews i read thought it would shake the walls I must be doing something wrong?

^^
Did you rerun Audyssey with the introduction of the new subwoofer (which should be done anytime new speakers/sub are either changed out or added to the setup)? Also note that any sub you use will be calibrated to put out the same level of audio ... rather if you want more "oomph" you'll likely want to simply increase the "Subwoofer" volume level with the remote control.

this is a really good tip; changed positions of my surround back speakers; boys are old enough to leave them alone, so reran Audyssey...

Hi all. Can someone help me trouble shoot?

I am watching the dark knight rises and its almost unwatchable from an audio point of view.

The soundtrack is SO loud relative to the dialogue that I can barely make out the dialogue. In most scenes the background music is booming and I am straining to hear what anyone is saying.

Its playing on "DTS-HD MA". I have things set by Audyssey and have not experienced this before.

If I try to select Channel Level and increase the center nothing happens - the channel level button does not respond.

Ideas?

I purchased open box 3312CI (like new condition with all the accessories) at BB a week ago for very good price. BB sales person said they changed the return policy and I have to return within 15 days if I don’t want it. Problem is I don’t have time to hook it up and test it. I’m splitting my hair whether I just return it and spend $170 more for pioneer 1222 ($530@newegg). Many of the review including Hometheater.com indicate that 1222 (or Elite 61) might have better audio performance. I’m not even sure if 3312CI would be an upgrade from my 5-year-old pioneer 1018, which has pretty good sound in my opinion. It’s quite surprising to hear that $1100 3312CI has almost identical audio quality as $650 2112CI except for some more wattages and features. Pioneer 1018 was around $600 MRSP so I can assume that it's same level as 2112CI. My only concern is audio quality. I don’t really care about network, smartphone functions, 3D, 4K, zone 2 etc.
Currently I have following setup in medium size family room open to kitchen. I listen somewhere between -25db and -15db. Movie/Music 50/50.

Pioneer 1018
Energy RC70s, RCLCR, RC-10s, Outlaw LFM EX: 5.1 system and want to add front wide(or height) and second sub in the future.
Source components: Dune D1, HTPC and panny bluray

I have one week to decide. Any advice would be appreciated.
Edited by m9610172 - 3/8/13 at 8:28am

Which provides better audio is highly debatable.

The version of Audyssey included in the 3312 equalizes the subwoofer. Pioneer's MCACC does not. As a result, the Denon will produce more accurate low frequency sound than a Pioneer receiver can. Also, unlike MCACC, Audyssey uses multiple microphone positions so it can optimize the audio for more than just the primary listening position.

Thanks. I did have dynamic eq on evening. Will try the offset.

Question: why was I unable to adjust channels? Is it because it's disabled for dts? Or just disabled during playback?

Would I have been able to manually switch from the dts-hd to another surround audio mode? Might that help?

Thank you for your reply.
I had no idea about Denon 3312CI when I purchased it last week. It was kind of impulse buy because the price is so good. I just thought that $1100 receiver should be better in every way than the one with half price. Upon researching for a week, I saw in batpig’s review about 2112CI, 2312CI and 3312CI, “Sound quality should be the same, the "on paper" power difference is negligible in real-world use”. I started thinking that it might not be an upgrade 
As for the multi point measuring, even Pioneer 1018 provide up to 3 positions. You just have to go deep into the menu.
I was a firm believer that receiver doesn’t make big difference. I tried $200 pioneer, $400 HK and Pioneer 1018 in the past 8 years. Each time, I could hear noticeable improvement in sound quality. I am hoping that I could experience the same improvement this time but I don’t have time to test it myself before return period expires.

Hi, batpig.
First of all, I really appreciate all your reviews and overviews on denon receiver and Audyssey. It was fun to read.
I understand that different brand within the similar price range can have their own characters and not necessarily one is better than the other.
But if I upgrade from $100 receiver to $600, I’m pretty sure I would hear much better sound. I had the same idea until I read your overviews on xx12 models.
$400, $360 actually, is still a lot of money for used receiver, I’m not so sure if I can sell it on craigslist if I don’t want it.
Anyway, I am leaning toward to giving it a chance after reading your and Selden’s replies.
Thank you.
Edited by m9610172 - 3/8/13 at 9:44am

I'm having an issue with my AVR-1912.

It's actually been doing it since I bought it. If I turn on say Sat/Cab to watch DirecTV, it would not play any sound unless I hit another input (such as BD) then re hit Sat/Cab, and only then i'd have sound.

After a firmware update not too long ago, it does the same thing, but now won't display the TV at all, just blue screen, until I do the input select switch.

Just annoying to have to switch back and forth every time to do anything on initial start. There anyway to fix this?

One for JD and BP and anyone else interested:

2112ci

Just a FYI that I was experiencing what I believe(d) to be a faulty HDMI board - Randomly the unit would flick to HDMI 2.
A processor reset seemed to cure it for about 6 months then it came back again.
Another processor reset (10 times at once to be sure) and it was still doing it. At least three times a session of a few hours.

Just for the heck of it I set the system into HDMI Control ON (Standby Source - Last / Power Off Control - Off)
I have not had the issue for a good three weeks.

Not sure why/what/how, but there you go.
Edited by pieandchips - 3/8/13 at 11:34am