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post #18061 of 18955
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Eddie E -- those posts you reference refer to BROKEN units. You shouldn't not use the headphone jack for its intended function because some people's headphone jacks broke.

Thanks batpig. I guess I'm too much of a worrywart when it comes to my expensive toys. I guess those are isolated incidents.
post #18062 of 18955
Hey guys, I am looking to change from my Yamaha RX-V665 with YPAO to possibly the Denon 1712 which has Audyssey MultEQ XT. I don't really need pre-outs right now (though my 665 has them), and 5.1 analog in would be a nice feature (hoping to get into SACD/DVDA), but not a deal breaker. Networking is unnecessary because I have an airport express and iPad, and a Roku 3. Do you guys think the 1712 will be my best choice? I am trying to stay south of $400, and Onkyo seems to be having a lot of issues lately.
post #18063 of 18955
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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

Hey guys, I am looking to change from my Yamaha RX-V665 with YPAO to possibly the Denon 1712 which has Audyssey MultEQ XT. I don't really need pre-outs right now (though my 665 has them), and 5.1 analog in would be a nice feature (hoping to get into SACD/DVDA), but not a deal breaker. Networking is unnecessary because I have an airport express and iPad, and a Roku 3. Do you guys think the 1712 will be my best choice? I am trying to stay south of $400, and Onkyo seems to be having a lot of issues lately.

The 1712 is 2 model years old now. I notice Amazon still has them new (from a non-Amazon seller), but good deals can be had on the 1713 or even the X1000 (this year's model) that would stay within your stated budget. Unless there is a feature that has been removed from the 1712 that you are looking at, I'd go with the newer ones. In any case, Audyssey XT is great. You won't find 5.1 analog in in your budget unless you get something older used. Everything else you want seems like a good fit to the 17XX and/or X1000.
post #18064 of 18955
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Originally Posted by larkowski1 View Post

The 1712 is 2 model years old now. I notice Amazon still has them new (from a non-Amazon seller), but good deals can be had on the 1713 or even the X1000 (this year's model) that would stay within your stated budget. Unless there is a feature that has been removed from the 1712 that you are looking at, I'd go with the newer ones. In any case, Audyssey XT is great. You won't find 5.1 analog in in your budget unless you get something older used. Everything else you want seems like a good fit to the 17XX and/or X1000.

Well the main attraction to the 1712 is it's $249 at accessories4less, while the 1713 has XT as well, it is only 5.1, same with the X-1000. The 1712 seems like the sweet spot right now with 7.1 and XT, are there any concerns with going with a 2 year old receiver?
post #18065 of 18955
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Eddie E -- those posts you reference refer to BROKEN units. You shouldn't not use the headphone jack for its intended function because some people's headphone jacks broke.

OK: I'll comment on this.

The issue is the new design: you cannot turn off the speakers and keep the headphone jack plugged in. This was not true for older Denon receivers, where the headphone could remain plugged-in permanently.

This means that any frequent use of headphones will require plugging and unplugging the headphone jack on a constant basis. Admittedly, the number of units that go bad are a small percentage, but why tempt fate if you have an alternative that supports a one-time, permanent wiring solution? If the jack goes bad, the unit is effectively dead and you need to send it back in for repair.

The biggest pain in using Zone 2/3 with digital sources is that you need to wire a parallel analog connection. But once the wiring is done, everything is stable.

jdg
post #18066 of 18955
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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

Well the main attraction to the 1712 is it's $249 at accessories4less, while the 1713 has XT as well, it is only 5.1, same with the X-1000. The 1712 seems like the sweet spot right now with 7.1 and XT, are there any concerns with going with a 2 year old receiver?

I don't think there are concerns. Actually, I didn't realize the 1712 was 7.1. I have a 2312 that I bought refurbished about a year or so ago and it's back to Denon for service for the 2nd time in 3 months. Now that the warranty has run out, I plan to sell it once I get it back and upgrade to the X0000 series and get a 3 year warranty. There are plenty of others who have had better refurb experiences than I have, but keep in mind it is a 1 year warranty as opposed to 3.
post #18067 of 18955
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Originally Posted by JohnDG View Post

OK: I'll comment on this.

The issue is the new design: you cannot turn off the speakers and keep the headphone jack plugged in. This was not true for older Denon receivers, where the headphone could remain plugged-in permanently.

This means that any frequent use of headphones will require plugging and unplugging the headphone jack on a constant basis. Admittedly, the number of units that go bad are a small percentage, but why tempt fate if you have an alternative that supports a one-time, permanent wiring solution? If the jack goes bad, the unit is effectively dead and you need to send it back in for repair.

The biggest pain in using Zone 2/3 with digital sources is that you need to wire a parallel analog connection. But once the wiring is done, everything is stable.

jdg

Huh? Plugging in a set of headphones on models going back to at least 2007 has cut off the main zone speakers, most likely for protection reasons as the headphone output only uses about 1/1000 Watt IIRC.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 6/21/13 at 2:14pm
post #18068 of 18955
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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

Well the main attraction to the 1712 is it's $249 at accessories4less, while the 1713 has XT as well, it is only 5.1, same with the X-1000. The 1712 seems like the sweet spot right now with 7.1 and XT, are there any concerns with going with a 2 year old receiver?

Although the 1712 does feature powered Zone 2 capability as well as 7.1, both the 1713 and X1000 feature Zone 2 pre-outs as well as being networking models so you can control them using either an iPhone, iPad, or Android phone from anywhere in the house that you can access your home's wifi network. Not to mention, you can install any firmware updates if necessary, although after about 2 years, there are generally no further updates.
post #18069 of 18955
When you set the front l/r speakers to small and choose one of the subwoofer crossover frequencies (like 40, 60, 80, etc), what is the filter slope employed? Does anybody know?
post #18070 of 18955
Thread Starter 
Typically receivers have a 12dB/octave high pass on the speakers combined with a 24dB/octave lo pass on the subwoofer.
post #18071 of 18955
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Although the 1712 does feature powered Zone 2 capability as well as 7.1, both the 1713 and X1000 feature Zone 2 pre-outs as well as being networking models so you can control them using either an iPhone, iPad, or Android phone from anywhere in the house that you can access your home's wifi network. Not to mention, you can install any firmware updates if necessary, although after about 2 years, there are generally no further updates.

Well networking really isn't that important to me because I already stream music from my ipad through an airport express. For the foreseeable future I won't have 7.1, it's difficult in an apartment. I guess I could get a newer 5.1 receiver, and then down the road upgrade to something with 7.1 and pre-outs. It is nice having the newer models.
post #18072 of 18955
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Originally Posted by JohnDG View Post


This means that any frequent use of headphones will require plugging and unplugging the headphone jack on a constant basis. Admittedly, the number of units that go bad are a small percentage, but why tempt fate if you have an alternative that supports a one-time, permanent wiring solution? If the jack goes bad, the unit is effectively dead and you need to send it back in for repair.
jdg
Thanks for the reply and solution
post #18073 of 18955
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Typically receivers have a 12dB/octave high pass on the speakers combined with a 24dB/octave lo pass on the subwoofer.

Thanks, exactly what I was wondering.
post #18074 of 18955
Having some strange issues with my 1912.
Suddenly the right front speaker didn't have any sound anymore. Test signal however does work. So connections and speaker are fine.
A firmware update was waiting so I did that, and after the upgrade the speaker worked. A few days later, the sound from the right front speaker stopped again. Going through the steps of the update again in my head, I came to the conclusion that the upgrade rebooted the AVR. So I pulled the plug, and after that the sound was back. For a day. Then sound was gone again. Pull the plug again, but this time sound didn't come back. Test signal still works. All looks fine.

Don't know what to do anymore. Anyone in this thread had this kind of trouble before?
post #18075 of 18955
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Huh? Plugging in a set of headphones has always cut off the main zone speakers, most likely for protection reasons as the headphone output only uses about 1/1000 Watt IIRC.

I replaced my Denon 3806 with a 3312. The Denon 3806 allowed me to toggle the main speakers off and on with the headphones permanently plugged in.

jdg
post #18076 of 18955
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Originally Posted by UltraSub View Post

Having some strange issues with my 1912.
Suddenly the right front speaker didn't have any sound anymore. Test signal however does work. So connections and speaker are fine.
A firmware update was waiting so I did that, and after the upgrade the speaker worked. A few days later, the sound from the right front speaker stopped again. Going through the steps of the update again in my head, I came to the conclusion that the upgrade rebooted the AVR. So I pulled the plug, and after that the sound was back. For a day. Then sound was gone again. Pull the plug again, but this time sound didn't come back. Test signal still works. All looks fine.

Don't know what to do anymore. Anyone in this thread had this kind of trouble before?

You can always try the blow out the headphone jack trick. I don't know if the test tone even goes to the headphones... certainly wouldn't be any reason to other than it being the same circuitry as the speakers. Wouldn't hurt to try, if you haven't already.
post #18077 of 18955
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Originally Posted by JohnDG View Post

I replaced my Denon 3806 with a 3312. The Denon 3806 allowed me to toggle the main speakers off and on with the headphones permanently plugged in.

jdg

Before my time, so we'll say going back to the 3808CI and newer, although the 3806 Owner's manual indicates otherwise ....

post #18078 of 18955
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Originally Posted by UltraSub View Post

Having some strange issues with my 1912.
Suddenly the right front speaker didn't have any sound anymore. Test signal however does work. So connections and speaker are fine.
A firmware update was waiting so I did that, and after the upgrade the speaker worked. A few days later, the sound from the right front speaker stopped again. Going through the steps of the update again in my head, I came to the conclusion that the upgrade rebooted the AVR. So I pulled the plug, and after that the sound was back. For a day. Then sound was gone again. Pull the plug again, but this time sound didn't come back. Test signal still works. All looks fine.

Don't know what to do anymore. Anyone in this thread had this kind of trouble before?

Pulling the plug will perform a soft reset which (as you learned) will sometimes resolve an issue. The next step is to do a full microprocessor reset (p. 125 OM) noting that it will reset all settings to factory defaults requiring you to run Audyssey again.
post #18079 of 18955
Wrong thread
Edited by Clemsonfan15 - 6/25/13 at 10:50am
post #18080 of 18955
suggest you post this in the XX13 thread...
post #18081 of 18955
Anyone have any luck getting the current iphone remote app to work? I can get it to show the 3312 if I put in the ip but it still doesn't bring up any buttons or anything for it. It used to work for me a while back.

I've tried deleting the app and reinstalling and even installing it on my wifes iphone instead. I have the latest update for the receiver.
Edited by swtguy - 6/25/13 at 3:53pm
post #18082 of 18955
I've been using it all along with my 2312, no problems.

May sound stupid but make sure the power button on the right side of the app is pressed.
post #18083 of 18955
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Originally Posted by swtguy View Post

Anyone have any luck getting the current iphone remote app to work? I can get it to show the 3312 if I put in the ip but it still doesn't bring up any buttons or anything for it. It used to work for me a while back.

I've tried deleting the app and reinstalling and even installing it on my wifes iphone instead. I have the latest update for the receiver.

Did you try the Marantz app?
post #18084 of 18955
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Did you try the Marantz app?

I didn't know there was one. I'll try it tonight.
post #18085 of 18955
There are a few remote apps that can be used with the XX12 models to include:

iPhone, iPad - Denon Remote App, DenONOFF, DeRemote,
Android - AVR-Remote, AVRDroid
post #18086 of 18955
^^ I love AVR Remote, it is very easy to change just about any setting you wish, and to find some that you probably didn't know existed. However, the author has not yet added new features that have come with recent firmware updates (like Spotify). Denon Remote App (the official one from D&M group) gets a lot of bad press but it's really not bad as a basic remote. I haven't tried AVRDroid, will have to check this one out.
post #18087 of 18955
Thread Starter 
Yeah, I actually like the Denon app. It's downfall is that it's not a "power user" type of app since it doesn't offer a lot of fancy custom settings to tweak (e.g. channel levels, Audyssey settings, etc) but for basic command and control -- switching sources, changing volume or surround mode, initiating a network stream, powering on/off different zones -- it is straightforward and works great.
post #18088 of 18955
I like the way the Denon & Marantz app show the Album art with Pandora, iPod, et Cetera.
post #18089 of 18955
Anyone else with Pandora issues?

While playing using Dolby, some songs only come through the Center speaker. Other modes like dts OK.

Also tried Pandora through my Blu ray player, with same result.

Checked for firmware for both, none found.
post #18090 of 18955
Thread Starter 
It's not a Pandora "problem", it's just the way that the songs interact with the up mixing algorithms. Stereo music content isn't mixed to be played in 5.1, so when you apply processing like PLII or DTS Neo the results can be unpredictable.

If the sound collapsed completely to the center (the other speakers are silent) then the song is being steamed as dual mono. A mono signal will collapse to the center when mixed up to 5.1 because there are no differences in the two channels to "extract" directionally to the other speakers.
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