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I can renew the lease directly from my phone for my wifi network? Will that work? If so, I'm I correct in thinking I should renew the lease then power cycle the AVR?
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^^ that should work, just give it a try. I would shut down the AVR, get rid of its DHCP entry in the router and then power it up again. It will automatically receive a new IP address. The only reason I recommend reserving the address is that it makes things easier in the future.

No guarantees, but this is what I had to do when I first purchased and then did a firmware upgrade to my 4311. My 2313 has had no issues.

Edit: oops, just saw the first part of your post was a question. You may have an app to manage the router, or you can do so via web browser in iOS. I was thinking this might be done from desktop.

Again with an Android comment (sorry), but we have the capability of deleting data associated with an app, which rebuilds its device configuration. I don't know whether this is possible in iOS but it is another option.
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My Denon iOS app once again is not working properly after the latest update for my 3313. In the past, I would reset the Lan connection on the AVR by unplugging the power. However, this time, that doesn't solve the problem.

Doea anyone have any other ideas to remedy the issue? Thanks in advance!

Marantz app works too.
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The Marantz app isn't working properly as well. It's behaving just like the Denon app.

I'm assuming its something with the AVR. I've power cycled it a few times but nothing.
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Hi. Can i run 6.2 on my 2112ci? Can i run dual center? What is the best way i can run 6.2? And how to do it? Thanks.
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Thread Starter 
Dual centers aren't supported by receivers and they aren't a good idea. Forget about that.

As it describes clearly in your manual, when running 6.1 you hook up the rear center to the LEFT surround back terminal.
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I've finally found a solution. I turned DCHP off and then back on and that has seemed to work.

Thanks for all the help!
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Dual centers aren't supported by receivers and they aren't a good idea. Forget about that.

As it describes clearly in your manual, when running 6.1 you hook up the rear center to the LEFT surround back terminal.

I tried 3 Centers, but it did not work very good, except with lossless 7.1 material. If you don't have a Center, you can have 2, Phantom or center info coming out of mains.
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Dual centers aren't supported by receivers and they aren't a good idea. Forget about that.

As it describes clearly in your manual, when running 6.1 you hook up the rear center to the LEFT surround back terminal.
Thanks. I might try this one out. Even though my space is very limited for back surrounds. But i will try and see. Thanks
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Yes, the 3312 does analog video conversion and upscaling.
I am not home to hook it up and try. Remember this is composite (single yellow video cable) NOT component. Do you still think it will work with composite in and HDMI out from the 3312 to TV? Thanks a bunch.
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Yes, the 3312 does analog video conversion and upscaling.
I am not home to hook it up and try. Remember this is composite (single yellow video cable) NOT component. Do you still think it will work with composite in and HDMI out from the 3312 to TV? Thanks a bunch.

I've done it with a VCR.
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I am not home to hook it up and try. Remember this is composite (single yellow video cable) NOT component. Do you still think it will work with composite in and HDMI out from the 3312 to TV? Thanks a bunch.

From p. 5 in the Owner's manual ....

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anyone using monoprice ULTRA-SLIM redmere cables attaching sources to their denon AVR? I am considering these because of their flexibility and how small they are. Wondering if there are any issues doing this. The AVR to TV will be a in wall hdmi cable that is already been using fine to date.

My components are being re-arranged hence the need for new, shorter cables.
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Keep in mind that those cables only go one-way, and cannot be daisy-chained with other cables.  Except for some people attempting use these cables for other than what they were intended for, the reviews were excellent.

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Could someone help me understand which surround sound formats the 2112 model is capable of processing and how that relates to speaker placement options (front heights, front wides, rear surrounds) for those extra 2 channels in a 7.1 system?

In other words, I believe this model is capable of Pro Logic IIx but not Audyssey DSX (correct me if wrong). Does this difference in format limit your use of the extra channels in space (speaker placement) or in terms of what information gets pushed to those channels? or both?

Thanks!
Jamus
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Thread Starter 
The 2112 is a 7 channel receiver. ALL 7 channel receivers support surround back channels (that is the fundamental 7.1 setup configuration). The back surround content is either in the soundtrack itself (if it's 6.1/7.1) or can be generated from 5.1 content using something like PLIIx.

Additionally, the 2112 has Dolby PLIIz for generating front height speaker content. If you install front height speakers, you have to give up the surround back speakers. The only method the 2112 has for generating height content is PLIIz, which can be layered on top of any input signal.

The 2112 does not have DSX or DTS Neo:X, so it can't generate wide speaker content.
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From p. 5 in the Owner's manual ....


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I've done it with a VCR.
Thank you so much.
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Thanks Batpig! That's what I thought but couldn't find it explicitly stated that way.

When PLIIz generates content for heights does it somehow only pull out content that should be above the listener, like a helicopter hovering? If it's not that sophisticated, would there really be any disadvantage if placing speakers front-wide while playing "height" content via PLIIz?
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I think the wides image the same signal as the fronts but not sure what the processing for heights do maybe ask this question in the avs audyssey forum and report back as I suspect others would be interested in this info as well.
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I think the wides image the same signal as the fronts but not sure what the processing for heights do maybe ask this question in the avs audyssey forum and report back as I suspect others would be interested in this info as well.

Interested in that answer myself.
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"it processes only nondirectional sounds for the height channels"

"As is the case in existing Pro Logic IIx technology, the height extensions don’t require new kinds of program content to drive the height channel outputs. Instead, the extensions are designed to effectively add depth and dimension to existing program material."

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/professional/technology/home-theater/dolby-pro-logic-iiz.html
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In reading it is the ambeit non directional sounds like wind, rain, helicopters that are processed as stated by the Doc. I would take all your data like room dimensions and speaker placement that you could do, and take it to the Audyssey Forum for some input such as speaker placement, if there is wiggle room, advantages and disadvantages etc. for this non conventional setup.
Edited by spager - 7/4/13 at 2:56pm
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jmac2000 View Post

When PLIIz generates content for heights does it somehow only pull out content that should be above the listener, like a helicopter hovering? If it's not that sophisticated, would there really be any disadvantage if placing speakers front-wide while playing "height" content via PLIIz?

The thing is, content is authorized purely in the horizontal plane. Whether 5.1 or 7.1 all the speaker channels in a soundtrack surround you but there is no vertical separation that the mixer could use to author vertical directional cues. For example, looking at something like PLIIx extracting a center channel from a stereo track, it is easy to determine directionality in that horizontal plane. If something is supposed to image in the middle, it's mixed equally into both channels. If something is supposed to come to one side or the other, they can put it there.

But there is no such directionality in the vertical plane. Until mixers start encoding discrete channels, all these post-processing schemes can do is try and synthesize the height info somehow.

Specifically, what PLIIz does is look for "decorrelating" information in the surround channels, essentially the stuff that is supposed to be perceived as ambient or nondirectional "immersion" types of sounds, and extract them to the heights to expand that ambience / immersion vertically. It doesn't "know" that something is supposed to be above you, per se.

The placement is pretty flexible because it's ambient stuff. You could put it at the wide position but IMHO it would sound kind of funny, the whole point is to add that extra vertical "dimension" to the immersion of the soundtrack.

DSX is totally different (although your receiver doesn't have it). It generates synthesized reflections from the FR/FL main channels intended to come at specific angular separation to enhance the perception of width/height of the front soundstage. There is a lot of auditory research underpinning which reflections are most "pleasing" to humans and create that sense of space and immersion, like what you would get in a huge concert hall or movie theater. Most living rooms will not naturally generate these pleasing reflections, so with DSX you put speakers where they should be coming from and it creates them for you, making a small living room sound like a huge movie theater or concert hall.

Then, DTS Neo:X does its own thing, but now we are wandering far...
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DTS Neo:X processes and converts any 2.0, 5.1, 6.1, or 7.1 channels to 9.1 or 11.1. I know some are wondering and Sanchos maybe you might want to consider on your next upgrade an avr with this feature as I know you like to hook up multiple....Klipsch speakers.smile.gif
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Thanks again Bat, enlightening and informative as always!
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DTS Neo:X processes and converts any 2.0, 5.1, 6.1, or 7.1 channels to 9.1 or 11.1. I know some are wondering and Sanchos maybe you might want to consider on your next upgrade an avr with this feature as I know you like to hook up multiple....Klipsch speakers.smile.gif

Will prolly buy an Onkyo or the replacement for the 4520; I want to be able to watch, say a baseball game & listen to another source at the same time, which is easy with the X4000, but not so easy with the 3311, 3312, or 4520.
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The Video select with Hdmi is a nice feature on the x4000. Denon sure hit a home run with a feature pack unit which includes Audyssey MultEQ XT 32.
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Well I set up the 3312 in about 1/2 and it was easy as it's my 3rd Denon but for the life of me I can not figure out how to set the stations for am and fm. Those must have been like when they build a house and then say now where ever there is room, put the toilet. There is almost nothing in the manual unles I missed it and what I read was zero help. I know it must be easy but I'm just not seeing it.
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Based on the 3312 manual spec sheet, the analog audio output level is 1.2v. From the http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-db-volt.htm calculation, it's about 4dBu...which means it's pro-audio equipment friendly level, isn't it?

I'm thinking of using the pre-out to external amp. (Crown XLS1000?)
Edited by Skylinestar - 7/6/13 at 10:41pm
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As long as it's got RCA inputs, shouldn't be a problem. smile.gif
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