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Did you try another HDMI input?
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Originally Posted by squeakybirnbaum View Post

Yeah I turned then in towards the listening position and then tried tilting them down towards the couch since they are sitting up a bit high (36"). The center speaker is under my DLP (a foot or so off the ground) and gets set at 40Hz every time. My 2 surrounds are Polk M30's (up near the ceiling) and they get set at 40Hz every time too. I have a mic stand that I'm using also.

The center speaker should be pulled out and angled up towards the main listening position. Describe the mic stand? Is it a mic boom stand or something of your own creation?
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A new puzzle for me. Our 3312 has a Blu-ray player connected to the BD HDMI input, a HD-DVD player connected to the DVD HDMI input, and a cable box connected to the SAT/CBL HDMI cable. Using a Harmony remote this has always worked.

Today I added a second Blu-ray player connected to the DVR HDMI input. I set up a new Harmony activity to select DVR as the new player's input to the 3312. I can't seem to figure out why I can't get the 3312 to switch to the DVR HDMI input for that player either with the Denon remote or the Harmony remote.

When I switch from one activity to another with the Harmony every selection works until I select the activity using the input labeled DVR. In that case the 3312 stays on the previous input selection. With the Denon remote if I press the DVR input button, nothing happens.

Did you previously delete the DVR input using Source Delete?
post #18334 of 18955
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A new puzzle for me. Our 3312 has a Blu-ray player connected to the BD HDMI input, a HD-DVD player connected to the DVD HDMI input, and a cable box connected to the SAT/CBL HDMI cable. Using a Harmony remote this has always worked.

Today I added a second Blu-ray player connected to the DVR HDMI input. I set up a new Harmony activity to select DVR as the new player's input to the 3312. I can't seem to figure out why I can't get the 3312 to switch to the DVR HDMI input for that player either with the Denon remote or the Harmony remote.

When I switch from one activity to another with the Harmony every selection works until I select the activity using the input labeled DVR. In that case the 3312 stays on the previous input selection. With the Denon remote if I press the DVR input button, nothing happens.

Did you previously delete the DVR input using Source Delete?
Not that I'm aware of. I suppose it's possible UMR did that when he calibrated my audio, but if he did, he didn't say anything about it. I'll check System Setup > Option Setup to see if that happened.

NOTE: DVR was deleted. Phono was also deleted, so now I suspect me. Thanks.


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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Did you try another HDMI input?
I temporarily used the BD HDMI for testing the new player. The three empty HDMI ports are DVR, Game1, and Game2. I'm unable to select any of them.
Edited by htwaits - 8/5/13 at 6:42pm
post #18335 of 18955
I still have HDMI input problems. I've turned DVR, Game1, and Game2 back on in Source Delete. I've tested the new player connected to all three inputs and none of them are working.

As a work around I've set up the Harmony remote to use the DVD HDMI input for both the HD-DVD and the new Blu-ray players. It's working fine. I also tested the new player with the BD and SAT/CBL HDMI inputs and they work too.

Is there some setting that has to be changed other than Source Delete, or are half of my HDMI inputs defective? wink.gif
post #18336 of 18955
Thread Starter 
Did you check input assignments? You or UMR may have unassigned HDMI from those inputs in addition to deleting.
post #18337 of 18955
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Did you check input assignments? You or UMR may have unassigned HDMI from those inputs in addition to deleting.
Thanks. That sounds like a good possibility. I will check it out.
post #18338 of 18955
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Originally Posted by dcf977 View Post

Can someone help with the best setup for streaming music from iTunes on an iMac to the Denon 3313?

The iMac is in a bedroom and the 3313 is in the living room. I'd ultimately want to be able to listen to music from iTunes on the iMac via the 3313 out on the patio powered with Zone 2 and control the 3313 and music selections on an iPhone.

I have an AppleTv, but that connects via HDMI which doesn't work on Zone 2.

I tried using Airplay from within iTunes on the iMac but then I could only control the music selections at the iMac which isn't any good when listening in the living room or on the patio.

Is there a way to do this via ethernet connection?

Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks

For Zone 2 audio from an ATV, I use the optical SPDIF connection. You can have the HDMI and optical on the ATV connected simultaneously.

Mark
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Did you check input assignments? You or UMR may have unassigned HDMI from those inputs in addition to deleting.
Thanks. That sounds like a good possibility. I will check it out.
Thanks very much. I'm now in control of our HDMI inputs. wink.gif
post #18340 of 18955
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Did you check input assignments? You or UMR may have unassigned HDMI from those inputs in addition to deleting.
Thanks. That sounds like a good possibility. I will check it out.
Thanks very much. I'm now in control of our HDMI inputs. wink.gif

What fixed it?
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Did you check input assignments? You or UMR may have unassigned HDMI from those inputs in addition to deleting.
Thanks. That sounds like a good possibility. I will check it out.
Thanks very much. I'm now in control of our HDMI inputs. wink.gif

What fixed it?
The 3312's last three (4-6) HDMI inputs were deleted from the cycle of inputs. I assume that's to make life easier for owner's to select different inputs. Those same input names were not assigned as HDMI inputs. Because we run everything with Harmony remote activities, I had forgotten how the 3312 was configured for HDMI.

I turned on the DVR, Game1, and Game2 input options from "deleted". When that didn't work, the advise to also assign those inputs to HDMI4, HDMI5, and HDMI6 was provided by batpig.

Control! biggrin.gif
post #18342 of 18955
I'm considering buying either the 2112 or 2312.

This will replace my ageing Sony DA3300ES connected to Dali Concept 5.1 speakers.

I will retain my Dali speakers but replace the Sony receiver with the Denon.

I've got in-ceiling speakers 1 pair in the garage and 1 pair in the outdoor area. The cables from both pairs end up in my home theatre where my new receiver will be.

I'd like to have the AirPlay from the Denon connected to the speakers in the garage.

I'd like my existing Airport Epress connected to speakers in the outdoor area.

Other inputs will be a Panasonic bluray player and a Popcorn Hour A400.

My output display is an Epson TW6000 projector.

Which model is best for my usecase? I'm leaning towards the 2112 since its cheaper and seems to support all that I need.

But 2312 specs state "Enahanced Zone 2" - but I'm not quite sure what that means.

I'd appreciate any info you can provide to help me decide. Here in Australia, I can get a 2112 for $670 and 2312 for $870.

My original thought was to keep my Sony receiver and just get a Sonos system, but I'm finding it hard to justify spending that kind of money. So, thought I may as well replace the Sony with a decent receiver rather than burn money on Sonos.

Appreciate your thoughts and input.

Cheers
Srini
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Thread Starter 
Srini - the "enanced Zone 2" features are explained in the detailed model comparisons at the beginning of this thread. I'll quote for you:
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Stepping up from the 2112ci to the 2312ci adds:

* Greater input/output flexibility:
--- a seventh HDMI input located on the front panel
--- 1 each extra optical and coaxial digital inputs
--- 1 more component video input and 1 output
--- 1 extra RCA composite input (red/white audio + yellow video) and 1 more s-video input
--- an RCA composite recording output (red/white + yellow, labeled "DVR")
--- dual subwoofer pre-outs
--- an extra unique video input name for input assignments

* Improved video section:
--- Advanced GUI (see screen shots in manual and on product pages at Denon website)
--- GUI and volume graphics can overlay on 3D video
--- Upscaling any signal up to 1080p

* Improved multizone / CI control:
--- bass/treble controls for Zone 2
--- mono/stereo switch for Zone 2
--- ability to set Zone 2 volume to "fixed" or "variable" for Zone 2 pre-outs
--- 12v trigger output
post #18344 of 18955
Thanks a lot Batpig.

Couple of questions:
Can I send the Airplay output from the Denon to my garage and an airport express output to my outdoor area?
Can I do the above with the 2112 or do I need 2312 or will neither help in this situation?

Thanks
Srini
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Thread Starter 
Neither, they are both two zone receivers not three.

If the airport express will be the only source for the outdoor area though you can just get an inexpensive amp and feeding directly from the AE.
post #18346 of 18955
That's a good idea.

This is off-topic, so please tell me to shut up if required.

I've got speakers from Monoprice with these specs. Would a Lepai 2020A+ Class T amp suit this connected to the Airport Express?

Impedance: 8 Ohms
Frequency Response: 43 Hz - 20,000 Hz
Power Handling Capacity: 80 Watts Nominal, 160 Maximum
Woofer: 8" Kevlar Woven Cone Woofer w/ 30oz Magnet and rubber surrounds.
Tweeter: 3/4" Titanium Silk Membrane Dome (Pivoting)‧20Φ Swivel
Voice Coil: 35Φ K.S.V
Sensitivity: 89 +/- 2db (1.0M/2.83V)
Crossover: 12dB per Octave (with -3, -6 dB Switch)
Cut-Out Dimensions: 9.8"
Overall Dimensions: 11.3"
Mounting Depth: 3 1/2"
Speaker magnet size: 5" diameter
post #18347 of 18955
Thread Starter 
It all depends on how loud you will listen. Background music to moderately loud, no problem. Really want to crank it? Problem.

Power demands are logarithmic, a 10db increase requires 10x the wattage. Remember also that generally outdoor speakers don't get boundary reinforcement being out In the open. So distance from the speakers / size of the yard are also major factors. The thing with that exponential function is you are just fine, until all of a sudden you pass that tipping point and the slope gets real steep, real fast. So you could be humming along just fine, having a bbq with friends, rocking moderate style, using ~4-5 watts per channel, and then the Foster's starts flowing and you decide to crank it for party time... Turn it up 10db and all of a sudden you need 40-50 w/ch and distortion and clipping sets in. If you turned it up 15db.... Now you might need 150-200 w/ch. fried something.

Not trying to scare you away -- that amp would work just fine for my back yard speakers, smallish yard, small distance, only moderate volumes. But just be aware of the relevant parameters.
post #18348 of 18955
Great reply. Thank you very much. I'll go ahead with this setup. My garage is fairly small and enclosed. So, I will use the Lepai for the garage and use the Denon for the outdoor speakers.

Thanks a lot.
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Hi, I have a problem with my 2112 that happened yesterday. I was watching a blu ray, and grabbed the remote to switch back over to Cable TV (Time Warner Motorola DVD.) I hit a button, not sure what, went to another screen, media player or something. I got back to my cable screen but there was no sound. I thought maybe I hit "mute" but no. No matter what I do, I can't get my sound back. I do have sound on my blu ray and my media player both connected by HDMI. Pass Through does give me tv picture and sound. I followed all the instructions about pulling all plugs, and HDMI connectors, waiting 15 minutes, and starting up again. Nothing, no sound from cable to the TV. HDMI from the Cable box directly to the tv there is sound. The radio tuner does have sound.

After all of this, now I lost my Internet Radio signal. I reset my wireless bridge, and I'm showing connected with an IP address. But, when I select Internet Radio on the Denon, my tv is reporting "No Signal."** .

I've pulled plugs, pulled HDMI, so much, but it's not working. It does seems that it is a setting I changed as I don't think there was a cable box firmware update that minute, or a loose cable, but I did check all of that as I did my many HDMI resets.

Is my next step a microprocessor reset?

Thanks for your thoughts.

** Since writing this, I did another plug pull, and I've got Internet Radio back, but still no Cable sound.
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The spec sheet for 3312 states that analog output is 1.2V. The master volume control range is -80.5dB to +18dB.
If I were to watch movie at 0dB master volume with 0dB on all speaker level trims, will I get 1.2V from the PRE-OUT? or lower voltage?
If 0dB master volume gives 1.2V, what is the voltage at +18dB? Or is is the other way where +18dB equals to 1.2V?
Edited by Skylinestar - 8/14/13 at 12:42am
post #18352 of 18955
Well, finally found the source of my problem. Somehow I hit something on the remote that changed my input mode audio to "analog" rather than HDMI or Auto. As soon as I changed it back, the sound snapped back on. A simple adjustment, and it's fixed. Wish I had checked that 2 days ago. It would have saved me the irritation of checking everything but!
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Listening to iPod (Louis Armstrong Sings WC Handy), watching Flickr & Baseball @ same time.
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Got it all figured out SP. What a wonderful world. cool.gif
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FROM PAGE 606-607
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I suspect the surge protector.

Sancho, I believe you are correct! I unplugged my xbox360, which I've heard is a major power eater and haven't had a problem in about a week. I went ahead and ordered a Tripp lite home theater surge suppressor/protector and am hoping for the best once everything is plugged back in. Hopefully no damage has been done.

On a slightly related note, I'm awaiting my Chromecast any day now as an alternative to using the Xbox as an entertainment center as I really don't play video games much at all. Pretty much stick to Netflix and On Demand movies. I'm planning on plugging it directly into the receiver to use it that way. Has anyone had success or problems using it this way? I realize not many people have a newer Denon receiver, a Chromecast AND are on this forum, but thought I'd ask.

Finally, as I cannot get an ethernet cord to the receiver I've been considering getting a WIFI bridge to get my receiver online for firmware updates, music, etc, but I'm wondering... If I use the Chromecast for most if not all movies and music, is a bridge even necessary? Would a simple wireless network adapter do the job? Seem too easy. I assume the difference is that I need to plug into the ethernet port for the internet to work, not through the USB/iPod port. Regardless, I'm not sure how necessary of an option this is in general.

Thanks!
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^^^Hope so, friend, they all wear out, over time.
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FROM PAGE 606-607
Sancho, I believe you are correct! I unplugged my xbox360, which I've heard is a major power eater and haven't had a problem in about a week. I went ahead and ordered a Tripp lite home theater surge suppressor/protector and am hoping for the best once everything is plugged back in. Hopefully no damage has been done.

On a slightly related note, I'm awaiting my Chromecast any day now as an alternative to using the Xbox as an entertainment center as I really don't play video games much at all. Pretty much stick to Netflix and On Demand movies. I'm planning on plugging it directly into the receiver to use it that way. Has anyone had success or problems using it this way? I realize not many people have a newer Denon receiver, a Chromecast AND are on this forum, but thought I'd ask.

Finally, as I cannot get an ethernet cord to the receiver I've been considering getting a WIFI bridge to get my receiver online for firmware updates, music, etc, but I'm wondering... If I use the Chromecast for most if not all movies and music, is a bridge even necessary? Would a simple wireless network adapter do the job? Seem too easy. I assume the difference is that I need to plug into the ethernet port for the internet to work, not through the USB/iPod port. Regardless, I'm not sure how necessary of an option this is in general.

Thanks!

Wireless adapters will not work with Denon AVRs, rather you would need to use either a "bridge" or perhaps consider a Powerline adapter.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq/0_100#user_G2
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I'll try to explain my setup and hoepfully someone can help me figure out a way to do what I want:D

I have my htpc hooked up to my 1912 via hdmi on the bd input. I use zone2 for some outdoor speakers and controll it with my nexus and the denon remote app usually for Pandora.
I have ultravnc installed on my htpc so I can login with my nexus tablet and control the htpc remotely and would like to be able to get the htpc audio into the zone2 speakers. I know zone2 can only get audio from analog inputs on the 1912 so I am wondering if anybody knows of any way I could get analog audio from my computer into the avr at the same time as hdmi audio. I don't think this is possible on the computer side, getting the htpc to output the hdmi audio normally while simultaneously outputting the same audio via stereo analog output? Is there anyway to setup the 1912 to take the hdmi input audio, mix it down to stereo analog so that it would be available for zone2 to play back? Maybe using the tape input output or something along those lines?

ANy help figuring otu a way to do this would be great:)
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I have a question. I recently purchased a Denon 2312 "used" on amazon. The receiver is in almost perfect condition and i am using the receiver with Polk Audio TSi300 fronts, Polk Audio CS10 center, and Klipsch RW-12D sub. My receiver before the 2312 was a Denon AVR-591. After getting the 2312 set up and everything, i've noticed that i'm having to have the volume up much higher than on my Denon AVR 591. I used to watch tv on the Sat/Cbl input on the 591 at about -30db's, but on the 2312, i'm having to crank the receiver up to about -19 db's to achieve that same volume. I did notice that the Audyssey calibration set the channel levels pretty low with the front speakers being set to -5db's and the center speaker to -6db's but even after putting them up to 0db's, it didnt make that big of a difference. Is there something that I'm missing here? The 2312 receiver is a much, much better receiver than the 591 and has more power, i feel like i shouldn't need to have the volume that high.
Edited by Powers16 - 8/25/13 at 1:34pm
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