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Originally Posted by candy76man View Post

I'll try to explain my setup and hoepfully someone can help me figure out a way to do what I want:D

I have my htpc hooked up to my 1912 via hdmi on the bd input. I use zone2 for some outdoor speakers and controll it with my nexus and the denon remote app usually for Pandora.
I have ultravnc installed on my htpc so I can login with my nexus tablet and control the htpc remotely and would like to be able to get the htpc audio into the zone2 speakers. I know zone2 can only get audio from analog inputs on the 1912 so I am wondering if anybody knows of any way I could get analog audio from my computer into the avr at the same time as hdmi audio. I don't think this is possible on the computer side, getting the htpc to output the hdmi audio normally while simultaneously outputting the same audio via stereo analog output? Is there anyway to setup the 1912 to take the hdmi input audio, mix it down to stereo analog so that it would be available for zone2 to play back? Maybe using the tape input output or something along those lines?

ANy help figuring otu a way to do this would be great:)

The 1912 cannot down convert the HDMI audio, although you could connect a 3.5mm to RCA cable from the headphone output on the HTPC and connect it to one of the analog inputs on the 1912.
post #18362 of 18969
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Originally Posted by Powers16 View Post

I have a question. I recently purchased a Denon 2312 "used" on amazon. The receiver is in almost perfect condition and i am using the receiver with Polk Audio TSi300 fronts, Polk Audio CS10 center, and Klipsch RW-12D sub. My receiver before the 2312 was a Denon AVR-591. After getting the 2312 set up and everything, i've noticed that i'm having to have the volume up much higher than on my Denon AVR 591. I used to watch tv on the Sat/Cbl input on the 591 at about -30db's, but on the 2312, i'm having to crank the receiver up to about -19 db's to achieve that same volume. I did notice that the Audyssey calibration set the channel levels pretty low with the front speakers being set to -5db's and the center speaker to -6db's but even after putting them up to 0db's, it didnt make that big of a difference. Is there something that I'm missing here? The 2312 receiver is a much, much better receiver than the 591 and has more power, i feel like i shouldn't need to have the volume that high.

Both models set reference volume to 0db although Mullt EQ XT handles the EQ a little differently so I wouldn't worry so much about what the master volume level is set to as long as you enjoy what you're listening to. smile.gif
Edited by jdsmoothie - 8/25/13 at 2:49pm
post #18363 of 18969
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The 1912 cannot down convert the HDMI audio, although you could connect a 3.5mm to RCA cable from the headphone output on the HTPC and connect it to one of the analog inputs on the 1912.

hmm, so you don't think using the headphone output on the computer would mute the sound via hdmi? I actually don't even have the onboard audio for my htpc enabled in the bios but I'm pretty sure if I did enable it, it will only output sound one way or the other, not both at the same time? I had a setup similiar to that for a while and never could get simultaneous hdmi and analog output...I always had to switch back and forth manually, pain in the but:D


This is another option I was considering if all else failed.
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Can't say ... you'd have to give it a try to confirm.
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One more question, I was offered a great deal on some Polk Monitor 70's and a CS2 Center channel speaker. All 3 speakers for only $300. Would the Denon 2312 be more than able to drive the Polk Monitor 70's? My Klipsch Rw-12d will be handling the low end. Im trying to decide if the Polk Monitor 70's and CS2 would be worth the upgrade from my TSi300's and CS10.
Edited by Powers16 - 8/25/13 at 9:10pm
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^^
Both sets of speakers have the same 90db efficiency spec so if there's no issue with the TSi300s, there should be no issue with the Monitor 70s. Certainly doesn't hurt to give them a try if the seller will let you return them if no real difference noted.
post #18367 of 18969
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

^^^Hope so, friend, they all wear out, over time.

Uh oh. I plugged everything back in and within 2 uses I ran into the same problem. Receiver clicks on and off repeatedly. Unplugged the Xbox, problem is gone.

What would anyone suggest for a solution?

I don't like that I just spent $80 on a nice surge protector, that claims to keep power flows independent, etc., and it did not fix the problem. Only thing I can think of is to plug the xbox into it's own surge protector or directly into the wall since I rarely use it.
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I'd try what you suggested, plug it into own surge protector, if you have a spare, or the outlet directly, & see if that fixes the concern.
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Hi.

I have a Denon AVR 1912, and a Panasonic TX47ETW60 LCD TV with Viera Link, and I have a b ig problem with my HTPC, whic is connected to the denon via HDMI, which itself is connected to the TV via HDMI:

when I allow HDMI Control in the Denons Setup, and set the desired sound output to "Receiver" (instead of TV), this works fine, but as soon as I switch my Denon off and on again, it loses this setting, and outputs the sound of my HTPC on the TV.

How can this be fixed? It is a really annoying behaviour, and I strongly believe it's a bug in the Denon's firmware, or am I doing anything wrong?
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Originally Posted by candy76man View Post

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The 1912 cannot down convert the HDMI audio, although you could connect a 3.5mm to RCA cable from the headphone output on the HTPC and connect it to one of the analog inputs on the 1912.

hmm, so you don't think using the headphone output on the computer would mute the sound via hdmi? I actually don't even have the onboard audio for my htpc enabled in the bios but I'm pretty sure if I did enable it, it will only output sound one way or the other, not both at the same time? I had a setup similiar to that for a while and never could get simultaneous hdmi and analog output...I always had to switch back and forth manually, pain in the but:D


This is another option I was considering if all else failed.

If your HTPC is running Windows 7, don't forget the "Playback Devices" menu. It should allow you to enable more than one audio output device at the same time.
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Originally Posted by Jackie78 View Post

Hi.

I have a Denon AVR 1912, and a Panasonic TX47ETW60 LCD TV with Viera Link, and I have a b ig problem with my HTPC, whic is connected to the denon via HDMI, which itself is connected to the TV via HDMI:

when I allow HDMI Control in the Denons Setup, and set the desired sound output to "Receiver" (instead of TV), this works fine, but as soon as I switch my Denon off and on again, it loses this setting, and outputs the sound of my HTPC on the TV.

How can this be fixed? It is a really annoying behaviour, and I strongly believe it's a bug in the Denon's firmware, or am I doing anything wrong?

Are you using the "HDMI Audio Out" setting as this is only active while the AVR is powered ON? What about a Quick Select to power on the AVR and selecting the HTPC? If yes, re-memorize that setting on the Quick Select when set to "AVR". Why are you using HDMI Control at all?
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

If your HTPC is running Windows 7, don't forget the "Playback Devices" menu. It should allow you to enable more than one audio output device at the same time.

I'm running windows8...can it do that too?
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Hi jdsmoothie,

where exactly do I set HDMI Audio Out? I haven't found this in the Denons settings.

Don't get me wrong: my Denon is correctly powered on, and is set to "HTPC" when this happens, but it delivers the sound to the TV, although in the settings, I have selected "AV REceiver" (I could select TV as another choice, but I haven't selected that).

I use HDMI control because I want the AV receiver to switch autmatically when I switch from the internal DVB-S tuner of my TV and the HDMI of my HTPC, I want to have both TV sound from the integrated tuner on my Denon, as well as sound from the HTPC, which basically works this way. The Denon receivcer recognizes if I select TV or HDMI on the TV and switches accordingly.

In addition, I want to use lipsynch on my HTPC, how can I see if this is really active?
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Originally Posted by candy76man View Post

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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

If your HTPC is running Windows 7, don't forget the "Playback Devices" menu. It should allow you to enable more than one audio output device at the same time.

I'm running windows8...can it do that too?

It should. I don't have access to a Win8 system, though, so I can't point you to the exact location of the Playback Devices menu. Under Win7, it's available by right-mouse-clicking on the Speaker icon at the right end of the Taskbar. It's the same as the Sound option in the Control Panel.
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

It should. I don't have access to a Win8 system, though, so I can't point you to the exact location of the Playback Devices menu. Under Win7, it's available by right-mouse-clicking on the Speaker icon at the right end of the Taskbar. It's the same as the Sound option in the Control Panel.


I've tried to do this with my PC and can't get it to work. I have to have the head phone jack unplugged in order to get sound out of the sound card's HDMI. I think the easyest solution would be to find a box that will extract analog audio while passing through the HDMI signal. Interested to see any other solution.
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Trying to help troubleshoot an issue. I will provide as much detail as I can off the bat and then perhaps it's working as intended. Let me know exactly what info you need from me. Please give directions as easily as possible because I am not myself 100% familiar with this particular piece of equipment.

Components in Setup:
(1) Panasonic VT30 Model TV with VIERA Link
(1) Denon 2112CI Receiver
(1) Cable Box
(1) Raspberry Pi

HDMI cables are used for all equipment. I am using the ARC feature from the TV to the Denon. I am using the Viera Link CEC Option which allows me to control the Raspberry Pi.

The problem appears to be that I need to turn the equipment on in a specific order or I sometimes do not get Audio from the Cable Box. Example: I first turn on the cable box and then power on the receiver. I do not get audio from the Cable Box. If I however turn on the Receiver and then the Cable Box, I get perfect audio.

Is this the way it's intended to work? Is there a specific order that has to be follow when using the Denon as far as powering on components?
Is there a setting on the Denon that I can enable to force audio playback regardless of powering on sequence? I'm grasping at straws here.

Thanks

Unrelated Question: if I power on a component attached to the Denon it automatically switches the Input on the Denon to that newly powered on component. Is there any way to disable this so that it only changes if I change the input manually?
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Thread Starter 
It's not how it's INTENDED to work... you can file this under "UNintended consequences" thanks to the poor implementation of HDMI as a connection technology. Between the HDMI-CEC (control) and DRM (handshake to confirm HDCP copyright compliance) it is, unfortunately, "normal" to encounter weird issues like this. Cable boxes and HTPC's are notoriously touchy with respect to these HDMI niggles, so it's not surprising to encounter a situation like this.

What you could try to do is disable HDMI-CEC on ALL connected components (VieraLink on display, HDMI Control on receiver, etc) and see if that resolves the issue. At least then you can pin it to a specific culprit. But it's likely that the "no audio if I power on the cable box first" problem may be just a weird HDMI handshake thing. It's typically recommended to power on the source LAST.

What you can tell you for sure is that it's NOT caused by an incorrect setting on the receiver. It's just a stupid bug with HDMI.

As to your "unrelated" question, it actually IS related as this behavior is also due to HDMI-CEC.

A lot of people find that it's easier to just abandon HDMI-CEC and use a good programmable universal remote that control the input switching for you automatically, power on devices in the correct order, etc. You can replicate ARC functionality by running a digital audio cable out from the TV back to the receiver.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

It's not how it's INTENDED to work... you can file this under "UNintended consequences" thanks to the poor implementation of HDMI as a connection technology. Between the HDMI-CEC (control) and DRM (handshake to confirm HDCP copyright compliance) it is, unfortunately, "normal" to encounter weird issues like this. Cable boxes and HTPC's are notoriously touchy with respect to these HDMI niggles, so it's not surprising to encounter a situation like this.

What you could try to do is disable HDMI-CEC on ALL connected components (VieraLink on display, HDMI Control on receiver, etc) and see if that resolves the issue. At least then you can pin it to a specific culprit. But it's likely that the "no audio if I power on the cable box first" problem may be just a weird HDMI handshake thing. It's typically recommended to power on the source LAST.

What you can tell you for sure is that it's NOT caused by an incorrect setting on the receiver. It's just a stupid bug with HDMI.

As to your "unrelated" question, it actually IS related as this behavior is also due to HDMI-CEC.

A lot of people find that it's easier to just abandon HDMI-CEC and use a good programmable universal remote that control the input switching for you automatically, power on devices in the correct order, etc. You can replicate ARC functionality by running a digital audio cable out from the TV back to the receiver.

Thanks for the detailed reply. Sounds like HDMI is just not perfect and you have to be mindful of the order you power things on. I can try it with CEC Disabled but I'd really like to try and keep the Panasonic Remote controlling the Pi...which needs CEC for that. (I can test CEC disabled by using the controls via WI-FI on an iPhone app to control the Pi just to test).

Now that you mention it I do not think the no sound if the cable box was powered on first happened prior to enabling CEC control on the Panny TV....CEC is most likely the culprit and it will just have to be dealt with if I want to use the Panny Remote to control everything.
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^^
You may also find the specific power on order ... TV, AVR, cable/sat box is required in order to pass the cable/sat box video/audio through to the TV while the AVR is in Standby mode as well.
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Originally Posted by stangdriverdoug View Post

I've tried to do this with my PC and can't get it to work. I have to have the head phone jack unplugged in order to get sound out of the sound card's HDMI. I think the easyest solution would be to find a box that will extract analog audio while passing through the HDMI signal. Interested to see any other solution.

I ordered this and it should be here in a few days...I'll post my results with it. Not sure if it will extract analog stereo out of the hdmi cable if it's passing 5.1 or something but I mainly want to get two channel music off my htpc into zone2 on my avr...if it can do that without causing any hdmi audio issues otherwise I'll be happy.
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denon 1712. is there a way to increase audio delay to 2 seconds? seems 200 milliseconds is too short to do anything.
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Thread Starter 
2 seconds is a long ass time for audio and video to be separated. Any processing delays are going to be in the millisecond range so that setting is reasonable, even the max 200 ms would be a long and highly noticeable delay. If you have an audio sync issue of 1-2 seconds something much deeper is wrong.
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Originally Posted by Stealth3si View Post

denon 1712. is there a way to increase audio delay to 2 seconds? seems 200 milliseconds is too short to do anything.

The 1712 doesn't have a video card so there is minimal processing involved that would cause such a delay. What source are you using and, if the cable/sat box, is it happening from all channels? Is the issue resolved if the source is connected directly to the TV?
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the source's audio is out of sync...nonetheless..my problem was quickly resolved by fast forwarding the video
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I have an AVR-1712. Comcast just gave me a DVR box. It's a Cisco RNG200N made by Scientific Atlanta. For some reason when I plug it in to my receiver I do not get a signal. But when I plug it directly into my TV it works fine. Comcast of course is clueless and just wants to tell me that my receiver is the problem. However, the old, non-DVR HD set top box works fine through the receiver. Its like the new DVR box is not permitted to send the signal to my receiver for some reason. Anyone know what I can do to fix this or is this DVR just incompatible with the receiver?
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Originally Posted by winterwolfes View Post

I have an AVR-1712. Comcast just gave me a DVR box. It's a Cisco RNG200N made by Scientific Atlanta. For some reason when I plug it in to my receiver I do not get a signal. But when I plug it directly into my TV it works fine. Comcast of course is clueless and just wants to tell me that my receiver is the problem. However, the old, non-DVR HD set top box works fine through the receiver. Its like the new DVR box is not permitted to send the signal to my receiver for some reason. Anyone know what I can do to fix this or is this DVR just incompatible with the receiver?

have the same Comcast DVR, works fine with my 3312...when I have an occasional problem, I un-plug the DVR for a few minutes and force it to re-boot...
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Originally Posted by winterwolfes View Post

I have an AVR-1712. Comcast just gave me a DVR box. It's a Cisco RNG200N made by Scientific Atlanta. For some reason when I plug it in to my receiver I do not get a signal. But when I plug it directly into my TV it works fine. Comcast of course is clueless and just wants to tell me that my receiver is the problem. However, the old, non-DVR HD set top box works fine through the receiver. Its like the new DVR box is not permitted to send the signal to my receiver for some reason. Anyone know what I can do to fix this or is this DVR just incompatible with the receiver?

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_L11
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Having a small issue with my Denon 3312 wanted to see if this has happened to anyone else. Turned on my receiver one day and I had lost all color in the menus and album artwork when playing music. Already tried changing hdmi out cord nothing differed. Any advice would be much appreciated!
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^^
Try a soft reset by powering off and unplugging the AVR for 10 minutes.
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Originally Posted by candy76man View Post

I ordered this and it should be here in a few days...I'll post my results with it. Not sure if it will extract analog stereo out of the hdmi cable if it's passing 5.1 or something but I mainly want to get two channel music off my htpc into zone2 on my avr...if it can do that without causing any hdmi audio issues otherwise I'll be happy.



I got the ViewHD device today (linked above). It is about the size of a deck of playing cards and surprisingly well made... fairly thick steel and painted matte black.

It works as advertised. I can now listen to 2 channel music from my HTPC outside on zone2 of my avr without messing with any settings on my htpc.

Basicly the hdmi works as usual for zone1 of my avr but when zone 2 is on I can listen to anything on my pc that is 2 channel audio. The analog output on the viewhd device only outputs audio if the source is 2 channel, so I can't play a 5.1 channel movie on the htpc and get any sound on zone2 but I only want 2 channel music on zone 2 and for that it works great.
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