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post #18511 of 18957
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Originally Posted by Merlin803 View Post

Does anyone find that their picture quality is much different if they bypass the 2112ci and connect directly to their display? Mine certainly is, I just haven't figured out yet if it is the LED TV or the receiver yet.

NONE to speak of; note, mine is a 3312.
post #18512 of 18957
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Originally Posted by Merlin803 View Post

Does anyone find that their picture quality is much different if they bypass the 2112ci and connect directly to their display? Mine certainly is, I just haven't figured out yet if it is the LED TV or the receiver yet.

 

Maybe your problem is related to this

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/16300_100#post_22661652

post #18513 of 18957
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

One quick question. Is denon 2112ci can accomodate 7.1 as wides?

The only model in the XX12 series that features Audyssey DSX (Wides) is the 3312CI.
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

Thanks, can i still run aud with fronts a and b together with the surrounds? Still comes out 5.1 right? What is the purpose of speaker a and b,?

Yes. The purpose is for those that want to use a dedicated set of FL/FR speakers for stereo music listening only, although some use them for Zone 2 speakers to pass the same audio playing in the main zone to Zone 2 (HDMI, digital, or analog).
post #18514 of 18957
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Originally Posted by Project H View Post

ill give that a try tomorrow and let you know how it goes. by default the zones are already configured? i want to use the remote instead of a smart phone. also is there a way to sync the denon remote with a fios controller?

im stil having issues turning on/off the receiver from the remote.. can you guys please clarify the process? im having to do it manually by pressing the power button on the actual receiver.

thanks
post #18515 of 18957
^^
Press the AMP button first.
post #18516 of 18957
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Press the AMP button first.

That's a handy little piece of information to have right there. -;-)
post #18517 of 18957
^^
Yup ... if others are in the house ... worth pasting to the back of the remote. smile.gif
post #18518 of 18957
Before I knew to Press AMP before MENU on my 3311, I wondered why it was so hard to get the MENU on-screen...
post #18519 of 18957
^^
This issue has been solved on the current models as the remotes (except X4000) no longer are capable of controlling other devices and the X4000 remote has dedicated External Device and TV "Menu" buttons.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 9/27/13 at 8:07am
post #18520 of 18957
^^^

I don't think the off button is related to amp or source that it may be on (maybe someone can test and report back) at least it is not on my remote although I have the previous year avr.

Make sure you are pressing the dedicated off button and not the on button. The only other thing to try is replacing the battery's. If no luck give Denon a call and see if they could send you a new one maybe on warranty if it still applies.
post #18521 of 18957
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That's why it's important to keep up with each year's differences as unlike the XX11 remote shown below, the XX12 models don't have a separate Zone/Device ON/OFF button which is why one must press AMP first when you want to use a button for the AMP on the XX12 models. wink.gif

post #18522 of 18957
Help with AVR 3312 HDMI/HDCP issues with Panasonic PTAX100 projector

I have been a member of AVSForum for a long time, but have not been on the forum for a few years. So please forgive me if my post does not adhere to forum conventions. I apologize in advance for the length of this post, but wanted to provide as much detail as possible.

I read several threads on this issue, and saw some useful information, but cannot find any posts that list the same issue I am having.

Components:
AVR 3312 (purchased on the Amazon deal in June 2012. However it sat idle, sealed in its box for about 8 months before I installed it, while I finished my HT room)
Panasonic BluRay player -- don't remember the model# but it's last year's $130 model with the touchpad remote
Panasonic PTAX100 projector

BlueJeans 22awg HDMI cable, 35' between AVR and proj
Monoprice 6' HDMI between BDP and AVR

The issue I am having is that I cannot see HDMI sources when they go through the AVR. No image at all. I know that a 35' cable can be an issue, so I did test it before installing it. BDP directly to the proj works just fine. My MacbookPro (using MiniDisplay-HDMI adapter) to the projector works just fine. Don't have cable box in the home theatre. The AVR menus display fine. But I cannot view any of the HDMI sources when they go through the receiver. Furthermore, if an HDMI source is connected & selected, I cannot even view the AVR menus. I have to select an empty input in order to view the AVR menus.
Suspecting the 35' cable might be the culprit, I also pulled the receiver out of the rack and connected it directly to the PJ with a 12' 24awg HDMI cable. Same issue.

In addition, even composite & component sources scaled up to HDMI do not display properly -- it will display, but there are dropouts, rendering it unusable.
I have tried experimenting with power-on sequences. None of the 6 combinations fixes the issue.
I turned off HDMI Control on the AVR.
I made sure both the AVR and BDP have most recent firmware. The proj is several years old and firmware is not upgradable. (I think it's HDMI 1.3, but I am not sure.)
The proj native resolution is 720p so I set the AVR's scaler to output 720p. But I also experimented with 1080i, and that didn't help.

I should also mention that I am an audio engineer by trade. So electronic troubleshooting is something I know how to do. When I had exhausted all options I picked up the phone and called Denon's tech support. I went through everything with the support rep. When we finished going through all the steps he said that I likely have a bad HDMI board and should send in the unit for repair. I don't have another display to test it with. (I tried a computer monitor using an HDMI-DVI adapter, but not surprisingly that didn't work) There is an authorized Denon repair facility in my town, so I brought it in. The technician hooked the AVR to his system which included a plasma or LCD display, and it worked just fine -- switching between HDMI sources, displaying HDMI sources, overlaying the GUI, etc. He gave me back the receiver without doing anything to it (fortunately did not charge me a bench fee.)

So it looks to me that the PTAX 100 is the culprit. But given the popularity of this projector, I find it amazing that nobody else is reporting this issue. And just to reiterate, HDMI sources connected directly to the proj display just fine.

I also tried a Gefen EDID Detective. I programmed it with the PTAX100 EDID signature according to the instructions; I also tried the generic profiles. I tried installing it between the BDP and AVR, and also between the AVR and proj. I had high hopes, but that still didn't work.
My interim solution was to buy a cheap HDMI switcher from Monoprice. So now I use the AVR for audio, and the HDMI switcher for HDMI sources. In addition, I had to buy and install a component cable to connect the AVR to the projector, so I can switch analog sources. (Recall, the analog sources scaled up to HDMI have dropouts)
With the external HDMI switcher, I can use my system. But it is needlessly complicated, especially for other family members. My whole rationale for buying the 3312 was for HDMI switching! Otherwise I could keep using my older Yamaha RXV3000, which I think is a better receiver.

I have considered selling the AVR and getting a different receiver. Marantz would be high on my list, but since they are partners with Denon, I fear that the products might have the same issue. Reading threads on this forum, it seems that other brands also have HDMI issues (although not necessarily the same issue I'm having.)

I could upgrade my projector to a more modern model. But that's an expensive fix. (Would eventually like a 1080p projector, but before I drop the funds on that, I'd really like to get the system working properly.)

Does anybody have any insight to this issue?

In addition to my HDMI issues I am also having issues with Airplay. The 3312 would occasionally disappear from my Airplay Device menu in iTunes. I also have a Denon NCD-R7 mini receiver, which has been 100% reliable. Network standby is set to ON. "Connect to Network" doesn't refresh it -- I have to unplug the AVR to power cycle it. Between these two issues I am not impressed at all with the AVR3312.

Thank you,
Peter
post #18523 of 18957
^^
Connecting the source device directly to the PJ results in a much stronger signal to the PJ than when first passing it through an HDMI repeater (ie. AVR). Try connecting the AVR directly to the PJ with a 6' cable. If this works, then you should try using an HDMI extender. Did you try setting the "i/p Scaler" setting to OFF? The Denon tech likely had you do a soft reset (unplug for 10 minutes) and/or at the very least a hard reset of the microprocessor. Try doing 3-4 hard resets in succession. If still no joy, then your only option would be replace the PJ or the AVR.

Re: Airplay issues ... if connecting wirelessly, try a different router.
post #18524 of 18957
I have searched the forum but do not think that this question has come up. Apologies if this has been answered in advance.

My setup:
I have a Denon 2312CI (and yes.. have gone through the ARC issues in the past)...
For Zone 1: I have the 5 speaker connection for Zone 1 connected to a Def Tech Sound Bar that sits under my TV in the Family Room. Also use an Hsu Reasearch STF-2 in this room.
For Zone2: I have the 2312CI pre-outs connected to a GFA-555 and then out of that amp to Salk HT2-TLs that sit in the adjacent Living Room (for 2 channel stereo listening)
- I do not use (nor think that I can) the Sub in this room.

Is it possible to run Audyssey for both rooms separately?
Although I have read that perhaps running Audyssey for the sound bar is not a great idea, I would really like to run the mic to the living room where I listen to music out of the large speakers (for room correction, etc.)

Thanks.
post #18525 of 18957
Thread Starter 
No, Audyssey can only calibrate the main zone. You will have to manually configure the second zone speakers.
post #18526 of 18957
In other words, you might want to consider switching which is Zone 1 and which is Zone 2, sending only stereo to the soundbar.
post #18527 of 18957
Thread Starter 
That won't work for his setup unless he is willing to forego the Adcom amplifier for the Salks. The 2312CI doesn't have main zone pre-outs.
post #18528 of 18957
Well, I did say "might want to consider" smile.gif I also didn't realize that they're 4 Ohm speakers, so they might cause problems for the receiver's internal amps. frown.gif Still, people have often pointed out that 4 Ohm speakers usually can be driven if the volume isn't turned up all the way. (Sorry, I don't recall if that comment was by JD or you.) Trying things out is one way to determine which works or sounds better.

The Hsu subwoofer does have speaker-level inputs and outputs, so (in principle at least) it could be used to supplement the Salks even when using the external amps without Audyssey. Still, I suspect the soundbar needs supplementing of its low frequencies a lot more than the Salks do.
post #18529 of 18957
Thanks everyone for the quick reply. I had hoped that audyssey would apply to zone 2 but now I know. No problem.
Re: Driving the Salk speakers with the internal amps off of the Denon- actually the Denon has done quite well. I had the Adcom in the shop (power supply) and drove the Salks for a few weeks. I was amazed at the efficiency of the speaker/ ability of the amp to drive them. I definitely had to turn it up, but not too much actually. Not sure if the Adcom is really needed (perhaps from a shear volume sake). It's tough to do an A/B on the quality of the sound back to back.
post #18530 of 18957
Wondering if someone could help me here. I have a 1612 in my 15' (W) x 19' (L) x 24' (H) Living Room with recently installed Monoprice 6.5" in-wall speakers. I ran the Audessy (sp?) set up with the microphone for 3 listening positions. My dilemna is that I have to crank the stereo up to 60 just for regular TV or movie watching. Seems like I shouldn't have to turn it up this loud just for casual watching. This is also the same for music through the Apple TV. I don't think it's the speakers either, since I had a set of Sony bookshelf speakers (about the same size) and it was the same way. Should I just bypass the Audessy settings altogether, or is this common for these receivers?
post #18531 of 18957
Depends on what you call regular of course, but yes, 50-60 is normal for casual listening. Try using Audyssey Dyn EQ and Dyn Volume as well as these will help to improve your casual listening experience. Also, ideally you want to run all 6 mic positions as it provides more data for the Audyssey filters to use keeping in mind you don't actually place the mic where someone sits, rather simply place the #1 mic position at the main listening position and the remaining 5 mic positions within a 2-3' radius from that position. Review the Audyssey 101/FAQ guide for more help.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51700_100#post_21782993
post #18532 of 18957
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

That won't work for his setup unless he is willing to forego the Adcom amplifier for the Salks. The 2312CI doesn't have main zone pre-outs.

Thanks for the quick reply. Will read up on manually configuring the speakers and do so this weekend.
Separately I'd like to thank you for the excellent batpigworld material as well. It has been a great help and is MUCH appreciated.
post #18533 of 18957
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Depends on what you call regular of course, but yes, 50-60 is normal for casual listening. Try using Audyssey Dyn EQ and Dyn Volume as well as these will help to improve your casual listening experience. Also, ideally you want to run all 6 mic positions as it provides more data for the Audyssey filters to use keeping in mind you don't actually place the mic where someone sits, rather simply place the #1 mic position at the main listening position and the remaining 5 mic positions within a 2-3' radius from that position. Review the Audyssey 101/FAQ guide for more help.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51700_100#post_21782993

Thanks, did not know about the radius. I had Dynamic Volume turned on at one time but kept getting frustrated at it because it would always revert to the Evening setting for some reason. I was constantly changing it back to Day so that it would be louder.
post #18534 of 18957
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If you are using the Quick Select buttons to turn on the AVR and select a source device at the same time, then you must rememorize the Quick Select button with the new Dyn Vol setting.
post #18535 of 18957
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
That's why it's important to keep up with each year's differences as unlike the XX11 remote shown below, the XX12 models don't have a separate Zone/Device ON/OFF button which is why one must press AMP first when you want to use a button for the AMP on the XX12 models. wink.gif


To get this straight.. I need to press 'AMP' button and then the 'power button' to turn on/off the receiver with the remote? So I dont need to press the 'zone' button?

Can someone please let me know the sequence of the buttons? I can't believe it is so difficult to turn on/off the receiver!
post #18536 of 18957
It depends on what Zone you want to turn OFF. If you are only using the main zone, then the Zone select should be on the "M" and you should never have to press it. And unless you are using the remote to control other devices, you would only need to press the AMP button once.

post #18537 of 18957
Has anyone had any luck connecting a Chromecast directly to the receiver? I have tried a few different HDMI slots and no luck. Connecting the Chromecast directly to the TV works fine but no sound or picture at all if connecting directly to the receiver.
post #18538 of 18957
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Originally Posted by Merlin803 View Post

Has anyone had any luck connecting a Chromecast directly to the receiver? I have tried a few different HDMI slots and no luck. Connecting the Chromecast directly to the TV works fine but no sound or picture at all if connecting directly to the receiver.

Mine works fine on the front HDMI port on a 3312. I also use the front USB port for power.
post #18539 of 18957
Finally figured it out, had to go into the Denon HDMI settings and assign "HDMI" as the connection type for the input that I was using (Game 2 in this case). smile.gif
post #18540 of 18957
1712 here

its been a long time since i visited this thead but i recently picked up some new speakers so i need to rerun audyssey. do i have to reboot the receiver and then run audyssey? i dont want to lose all those other settings i have on there but if they have to be erased to run audyssey again oh well so be it.
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