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post #18841 of 18966
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Originally Posted by JohnDG View Post

Denon 3312. Two years old. No issues up to now.

Setup:
1) 3 HDMI inputs:
* Two DTV HR22 DVRs set to native output
* An Oppo 93 set to automatic output
2) 1 HDMI output into a 1080p Panasonic
3) Networking is not used/turned off (due to the reported fragility of the HDMI board)
4) Heat is not an issue.

Symptoms:
1) One DVR had no picture, sound only. Did not work with 480i, 720p or 1080i output from the DVR.
2) Second DVR worked fine on all output resolutions.
3) Oppo only worked when set to 1080i output. Automatic output gave no picture; 1080p and 720p outputs gave a screen with garbage on the bottom third of the picture. 480p/i gave no picture.

Unplugged the Denon overnight (cold restart) and the problem was resolved.

Is this an indicator of more problems to come?

jdg

Hi John,

Had similar problem in the end it turned out to be a HDMI cable, as it is occurring on two inputs try swapping out the TV one.

I would have video then it would drop out leaving only the sound, i would then deselect the input and reselect input and video would start again, some good, some times every 15-20 minutes it would do this. Since the new HDMI cable has been fitted there has been nil issues

Danny
post #18842 of 18966
Hi, sorry if this is going to be the stupidest question ever, but I'm a total noob about these things.

I'm about to buy a Denon dht-1312xp, which comes with the AVR-1312 receiver. Now, does it support 60hz/fps at 1080p input for videogames, right?

Because I was reading a review and it said it maxed out a 1080p24hz, so I got worried. I mean, it supports 3D, it uses hdmi 1.4, it supports 4k... But I'd still like a confirmation. Could,not,find anything on the denon website.
Thank you all!
post #18843 of 18966
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Originally Posted by Light95 View Post

Hi, sorry if this is going to be the stupidest question ever, but I'm a total noob about these things.

I'm about to buy a Denon dht-1312xp, which comes with the AVR-1312 receiver. Now, does it support 60hz/fps at 1080p input for videogames, right?

Because I was reading a review and it said it maxed out a 1080p24hz, so I got worried. I mean, it supports 3D, it uses hdmi 1.4, it supports 4k... But I'd still like a confirmation. Could,not,find anything on the denon website.
Thank you all!

Can you provide a reference to the review?

1080p/60 has to be supported since the menus on most Blu-ray discs are at that resolution. There's nothing explicitly mentioned about it in the receiver's manual, though.
post #18844 of 18966
Here

The HDMI sockets handle video types up to 1080/24p, as well as SACD (DSD) signals, all types of Dolby and DTS bitstreams, Deep Colour and xvYCC.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/denon-dht-1312xp_Surround-Sound-System_review_features_Page-2

By looking at the back of the system you can see it has a Game hdmi port, and well, you can't play games at 24fps. This is the only review I've seen that mentioned this.
post #18845 of 18966
Here, can't post links

The HDMI sockets handle video types up to 1080/24p, as well as SACD (DSD) signals, all types of Dolby and DTS bitstreams, Deep Colour and xvYCC.

Trustedreviews denon dht 1312xp Surround Sound System, Page 2, should be the first result on google of you look for "denon dht 1312xp review".

It only says this about resolution and refresh rates, doesn't add anything else.

By looking at the back of the system you can see it has a Game hdmi port, and well, you can't play games at 24fps. This is the only revis I've seen that mentioned this.

Any owner can shine a light on this? Maybe by connecting a PC through hdmi and setting the resolution to 1080p at 60hz?
post #18846 of 18966
Thread Starter 
Any modern HDMI receiver supports 1080p/60. It's a non issue, stop worryin about it.
post #18847 of 18966
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Any modern HDMI receiver supports 1080p/60. It's a non issue, stop worryin about it.

 

Yeah, I knew I was worrying about nothing, but since I'm a complete noob when it comes to these things and this would be my first HT and I don't want to buy something that's "wrong".

Anyway thank you very much, I'm going to order this now. :)

 

And sorry again for the stupid question. :)

post #18848 of 18966

I've been looking to upgrade my system for about a month now. A 3312CI popped up on craigslist for $400. Waiting on a reply to see how good of condition it's in, but assuming all is well and he still has the mic and all for it, would buying a three year old used 3312 be worth it? Having no warranty is obviously risky but having a $350 cap it's more receiver than what I could get new. An E-400 from A4L is my go to if I end up not finding anything else in the next month. Speaker wise I have a pair of RC-10s and a RC-LCR on order, or S70/S50/S30 if I end up not liking the Energys.

post #18849 of 18966
Thread Starter 
That receiver is only two gens old, and nowhere close to obsolete. It will have much more power and better sound quality than the E400, so certainly a worthy option at $400 or less for a model that was $1200 two years ago.
post #18850 of 18966
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Originally Posted by Light95 View Post

Here

The HDMI sockets handle video types up to 1080/24p, as well as SACD (DSD) signals, all types of Dolby and DTS bitstreams, Deep Colour and xvYCC.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/denon-dht-1312xp_Surround-Sound-System_review_features_Page-2

By looking at the back of the system you can see it has a Game hdmi port, and well, you can't play games at 24fps. This is the only review I've seen that mentioned this.

Note that the names on the HDMI ports do not mean that is what they are used for, rather simply a source name that was assigned to that particular HDMI port. Also note that this model cannot pass SACD(DSD) signals rather the DSD must be converted to PCM by the SACD player first and then passed over HDMI to the AVR.
post #18851 of 18966
I am using an AVR-1912 (5.1 setup) in my living room and am now searching for a wireless multi-room solution (beyond zone2).

Sonos: I am hesitating to go for Sonos, as I'd like to keep an "open" system... also, as the 1912 doesn't have a pre-amp out, couldn't connect it to Sonos Connect as input into the multi-room solution.

Denon Cocoon: Does anyone have experience with this?

a) Is it in possible to link the Cocoon into the party mode of the AVR-1912?
b) If so, would it be more or less in sync?
c) Using the Denon Cocoon app, could the AVR-1912 also be used as one of the targets to play music through? (or needs to steered separately)

Any better ideas?

Thanks a lot
Marc
post #18852 of 18966
Hey all I'm thinking of scooping up an AVR-2312CI here:

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR2312CI/DENON-AVR-2312CI-7.2-Integrated-Network-A/V-Surround-Receiver/1.html

Before I pull the trigger would anyone recommend a different model with similar features at or around that price point? I know this model is a couple of years old at this point, but I don't see the point in spending several hundred dollars more for a newer model that isn't going to do much else for me.

My needs are fairly basic, running a 7.1 (soon to be 2 subs) system in my living room of about 2300 sq ft. Mostly movies, a little music. I only have a blu-ray player and dvr box, so not a lot of devices either.
post #18853 of 18966
Call jdsmoothie with AVS Sales & see what he can sell you NEW, for the same price.
post #18854 of 18966
Spoke to him, he said it would be tough to beat that price... I'd likely have to expand my budget to obtain an X model 2013.

Slightly off topic question here, how come on some sites the X2000 is listed as 7.1 and on other sites it's mentioned as 7.2?
post #18855 of 18966
Look at the back panel. If it has 2 SW pre-outs, it is 7.2.

Really makes no differ, as it is only an internal Y cable.
post #18856 of 18966
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Look at the back panel. If it has 2 SW pre-outs, it is 7.2.

Really makes no differ, as it is only an internal Y cable.

It has 2. I just think it's a bit silly that the same model is listed 2 different ways depending on where you look.
post #18857 of 18966
Thread Starter 
It's about marketing vs. technical accuracy. 7.2 sounds more impressive because people can visualize dual subs, but really all 7ch receivers are 7.1 regardless of how many subwoofer outputs they have. The sub out, whether it's split internally or you use external splitters, outputs the same signal to all subs. There is only one "sub channel", so there is really no such thing beyond ".1" in terms of an accurate description of how bass management and incoming source content actually works.

However, "7.2" has become marketing speak for dual sub outputs, even though it's really a 7.1 channel unit, so it depends on the context of how it's used. Very confusing because they aren't consistent.
post #18858 of 18966
Note that Batpig said 7.x channel receivers. There are 9.2 and 11.2 channel receivers which do have two separately driven subwoofer ports, like Denon's AVR X4000 and AVR 4520.
post #18859 of 18966
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Originally Posted by BrutalBodyShots View Post

Spoke to him, he said it would be tough to beat that price... I'd likely have to expand my budget to obtain an X model 2013.

Slightly off topic question here, how come on some sites the X2000 is listed as 7.1 and on other sites it's mentioned as 7.2?

Actually ... the sites that say 7.1 are correct. smile.gif
post #18860 of 18966

So I ended up getting that 3312CI from Craigslist, and I'm stoked! Completely new world compared to the budget Yamaha that I have from the 90's. Haven't messed with it too much, as the RC-70s and RC-LCR should be coming in today. Anyways, as I'm moving up in quality in terms of hardware, I figured I would experiment with changing out some of my music from mp3s to higher quality material. I use my laptop to play music for the vast majority of the time. It's a Dell XPS 15 (L502X), it has an HDMI out which is what I usually used to play music through the other receiver (going through the tv first.), and it also has an mini optical S/PDIF output. I'm still very much in the learning stages of audio. If I'm trying to play lossless music through the laptop to the 3312, would it be best to use the HDMI out or the optical out for music? I'm only going to have a 3.1 setup for now so I'm fine with 2.1 playback. Still don't really know how DAC's work, especially in my laptop so I'm not sure what would send the highest quality signal. Debating whether I should get an optical cable to try the differences or if I'm over thinking it and I probably won't even tell the difference with my current setup. Feel free to direct me to any threads that would clarify any of this, I'm looking where I can when I have free time.

post #18861 of 18966
HDMI should be better than S/PDIF since it supports up to 7.1 channels of lossless audio. S/PDIF is limited to 2 channels of PCM, up to 5.1 DD or up to 6.1 DTS-ES. Multichannel FLACs are readily available. The receiver will properly down-convert them to the speakers you actually have. People argue about jitter because it's inaudible to most.

Using a media player configured for WASAPI is the easiest way to ensure that the number of audio channels sent to the receiver matches the number of channels in the audio file. DirectSound always uses the number of channels specified in the Playback Devices configuration menu. See http://www.avsforum.com/t/1495316/which-media-players-reconfigure-hdmi-to-match-number-of-source-channels
post #18862 of 18966
So the basic idea is even though I'll only be using 2.1 most likely, my goal should be to make sure the pc is outputting whatever the original file format is?
post #18863 of 18966
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Originally Posted by zephyrj View Post

So the basic idea is even though I'll only be using 2.1 most likely, my goal should be to make sure the pc is outputting whatever the original file format is?

To the extent that the file format is compatible, yes. The receiver can't directly decode FLAC or MP3 over HDMI, but it can handle high-bit-rate multichannel PCM. It's important that 2 channel FLAC (or MP3) files be sent as 2 channel PCM and not as 7.1 channel PCM with the surround channels silent. Similarly, once you have your full speaker configuration, it's important that 5.1 channel audio be sent as 5.1 channels and not as 7.1 with the rear surround channels silent.
post #18864 of 18966
I say just use XBMC with HDMI. It supports everything except .x265. It is the best. And it is best to keep it as simple as possible.
You only have to configure the audio settings in XBMC, not windows.
post #18865 of 18966
Thanks for the help guys. I'll go ahead and skip the optical then and play around with the suggestions/read up some more.
post #18866 of 18966
hi guys I have this problem, my set up is like this

ps3 hdmi out ====> denon 1612 hdmi out ===> old LED tv - working perfectly
ps3 hdmi out ====> denon 1612 hdmi out ===> new 3d tv (LG 32LA613B ) - showing no signal but has audio on my speaker set up.

I tried resetting the ps3 and the receiver but still the same issue. I tried returning it back to the old set up but now even the old set up is showing unsupported video.

please help me with this

EDIT: when i plug ps3 via hdmi directly to the tv it working just fine its just when its plug to the receiver it is showing no signal on the tv
post #18867 of 18966
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Originally Posted by kairi033 View Post

hi guys I have this problem, my set up is like this

ps3 hdmi out ====> denon 1612 hdmi out ===> old LED tv - working perfectly
ps3 hdmi out ====> denon 1612 hdmi out ===> new 3d tv (LG 32LA613B ) - showing no signal but has audio on my speaker set up.

I tried resetting the ps3 and the receiver but still the same issue. I tried returning it back to the old set up but now even the old set up is showing unsupported video.

please help me with this

EDIT: when i plug ps3 via hdmi directly to the tv it working just fine its just when its plug to the receiver it is showing no signal on the tv

Hi kairi033, could try turning off "Deep Color Output" in the PS3 found under Display Settings menu.
post #18868 of 18966
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi kairi033, could try turning off "Deep Color Output" in the PS3 found under Display Settings menu.

Hi JChin I already did that, I even turn off all the settings on the ps3 video settings but still no luck.
post #18869 of 18966
Try replacing the HDMI cable connecting the PS3 to the AVR as well as powering on the TV first, then the AVR a short time later, followed by the PS3 a short time later. Did you reset the PS3 while connected to the AVR and while the AVR was on?
post #18870 of 18966
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Try replacing the HDMI cable connecting the PS3 to the AVR as well as powering on the TV first, then the AVR a short time later, followed by the PS3 a short time later. Did you reset the PS3 while connected to the AVR and while the AVR was on?

Hi jdsmoothie, yes I did reset the ps3 connected to the AVR while the AVR is on. I'll try to replace the HDMI cable, what I am afraid of is that the HDMI board of the receiver might be broken or maybe I am worrying to much.

EDIT: dump question do I need high speed hdmi cables or ordinary hdmi cables will do? I cannot remember if my existing cables are high speed cables or not.
Edited by kairi033 - 3/5/14 at 6:55pm
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