The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX12 Model Owner's Thread - Page 80

Yes, the audio quality will be identical. The only difference is that your AVR will "display" it as PCM.

the denon tech is blowing smoke up your posterior...

note my earlier comment about lossless being lossless..

also keep in mind that there was never any intention to have avr's unpack the codec in the first place... that was another marketing bullet point that one of the cems decided to add...

edit: another keep in mind. when you bitstream to an avr, the very first thing the avr will do is unpack it to pcm... it has to, it has no choice... all dsp "works" on pcm, and even if you aren't using dsp, there are no dacs that could take a bitstream and do anything with it...

I just did the mic check again, 6 positions. then read the AFTER calibration info from an article and it reminded me.

I had the audessy setting for DYNAMIC VOLUME on evening! ugh, should i reset that to DAY and redo the entire calibration.

I have the time and I want it to be right.
thx in adv

The only reason that people prefer bitstream is so they can see the coded audio track on the front panel display. If you're willing to pay $300 for a slim PS3 just to see "DTS MA HD" on the front panel display instead of "Mult Ch In" go for it .... I've also got some swamp land here in Florida for sale if you're interested.

No need ... AUTO SETUP ignores any settings you may have set.

Ok great! Once again thank you everyone for all the help.

Now I need to figure out a fix for the networking issue... I tried the stopping internet radio and competely exiting as stated in previous posts but still happens. Any ideas anyone?

^^
Have you tried replacing the router?

The "special mode" document I was provided lists the network result can be accomplished by pressing PRESET CHANNEL 1 and PRESET CHANNEL 3 which now I'm told by Denon only works for the 2312CI and 3312CI, whereas pressing PRESET CHANNEL 1 and PRESET CHANNEL 2 should work for the 1912 and 2112CI while powering the unit on. Can someone from each group confirm the respective buttons work and report back? Thanks.

Ive read a couple places that Multi channel is louder than bitstream. And on my pioneer 1020 that was true but on the denon it sounds the exact same as bitstream. There isn't a quality difference just a db difference and I agree that's not worth 300 bucks unless u can sell ur fatty for close to 300 (if that model is backwards compatible). Now that i think of it I'd sell it anyway and buy a slim because it'll probably break soon anyway as 90% of the people I know that had them. your choice.

^^^

level differences aren't relevant... the user always has control of that with the volume knob on their avr...

again, there's no reason for him to rush out and replace a working unit...

You think that would fix it? I don't mind buying a new router. I may need one anyways. If I get a N wireless router would I need to buy a new modem as well?

No, no need for a new modem as well.

All this assumes you're using your own, normal router, however, and not one of those funky combo router things some ISPs (I'm looking at you, AT&T) are providing these days.

Definitely worth a try, I started getting daily lockups on my 3 yr old netgear b/g router after I got the 2112, I was planning on replacing it anyways and recently picked up the Linksys e4200. I've had it for a week now and no more lockups for me.

The router could be a culprit if it's unable to handle the total load of your network. Older routers have issues with NAT tables that fill up easily and require frequent restarts to clear em out. When the NAT table is full, the router can't remember any more connections and so appears to hang. If your doing a lot of gaming/streaming it's very common.

Hello Everyone,

Have had my 3312 for about a week now. Replaced an AVR-5800 (anyone interested?, also have an old AVR-3200).

Love it. The GUI is generations better than the 5800, although that's not saying much, but the setup was very easy, the Audyssey process worked great, and it sounds worlds better than the 5800, at least with respect to the surround aspects (overall fidelity is comperable).

I've had no problems so far, have been able to set up on network, updated firmware, set up and calibrated speakers (7.1 with dual rear surrounds), connected up to Panasonic BD player, DirecTV box, Tivo HD, Phono (haven't tested this one yet), and to 64" Samsung LED DLP.

Got a good deal by calling Abt. So far, I'm a very happy camper.

The only drawback that I've found at this point is the lack of a switched outlet. I have a powered sub, and with the 5800, it would power on and off with the AVR. Now, I'll either need to leave it on, or remember to switch it off manually.

Nice to be able to switch everything in HDMI.

^^^

it is unlikely to be a good idea to run a subwoofer off of a powered outlet on an avr...

you have pm...

It's not recommended to plug a high amperage device like a sub into the AVR switched outlets as they are only rated at 120W(1amp). Your best bet is to use a smart strip like this one.

AVR-3312CI owner here.
14x18' room
is it enough power for me?
paradigm studio 60s
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post20642436

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yes, it's enough power for you... linking to one of your pictures here...

clicky

I am assuming that my Linksys 54G is an "old" router. I am having a ton of problems having to reset my router when using my 2112. If I am streaming Pandora, all I have to do is refresh a web page on a computer and my connection is done till I reset. Can you recommend a cheap wireless router that doesn't have this "Nat" problem with 4+ ports?

Here's the update: Denon was able to reproduce the two issues I am experiencing with the 2312 (picture degradation and 12v trigger not working on Tuner and Game 2 source). Here is the response:

"Hi Shannon,

We were able to confirm both of these issues. These will be corrected with a future firmware update. For the time being, try turning off the Deep Color feature in the sources as that should help with the color bleed."

I have to hand it to Denon for being so quick in confirming this. Very impressed. Now the question is when this update might come.

In the past has there been anything similar to this happening and if so, how long did a fix take to get issued?

does anyone know if it's possible to control certain functions by HTTP commands? If so, is there a list of commands somewhere and what is the protocol?

I want to be able to add some custom buttons to other apps on my iphone and ipad that control my xbmc interface, and it would be nice if i could also control the receiver from within the app. Seems like this should be possible since the receiver has a web interface and an IP address.

Any and all help is apprecaited, thanks!

Only on InCommand models (2112CI and above), you can perform Web Control.

You can control almost everything from Web Control Interface, including Setup Options (except some Network Parameters that could drop your communication with the AVR.).

lmao

Right. My "nope" was NOT saying a new router would help fix it, rather, I was answering the second question, as to whether he needs a new modem as well (as in nope, he does not need a new modem as well). Edited my response to be more clear.

Curious: Do you know if the extra power draw from the receiver while it's in CEC or network standby modes (or whatever the proper titles are) will trip the sensor on these smart strips? It would be a shame to have things always on just because the standby power draw is too high.

And absolutely agreed, the only things that should be plugged into switched outlets on the back of a receiver are small, low-current devices. I used to plug in a Terk radio antenna on my old receiver, I do miss having a switched outlet for little things like that. Not a huge deal, though.

Thanks for your reply!

Yeah, i have the 2112ci, i have used the webcontrol interface, but that's not all I'm looking for.
I want to know if its possible to send commands via third party apps to the receiver by addressing the appropriate IP address.

for example 192.168.1.100/#increasevolume
or something of that sort... i know that what i wrote above doesn't work, but i have to imagine what im describing is possible, especially since there are third party apps made for Denon

As a matter of fact yes, however it is done through telnet, not HTTP (this is how the Denon app works).

The protocol specifies you need to set either DHCP or static, whatever your subnet mask and default gateway is, Do Not set primary and secondary DNS and use TCP port 23.

The command structure is Command+Parameter+Carriage return (0x0D)

So for Power on the command in your code would be (in ASCII) "PWON"
If you wanted to do something really crazy like change your video output resolution for a specific source, your command would look like "VSSCH72P" which would force your video output to 720p.

Likewise you can query the state of the AVR with commands such as "VSSCH ?" and the AVR will return something like "VSSCH72P" meaning that its current HDMI output resolution is 720p.

This format works with the AVR1912 and all of the INCommand AVRs this year.

Not the one I linked to no as there is a sensitivity adjustment that can be adjusted although not likely required as the AVR only draws 2.2W in standby.