The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX12 Model Owner's Thread - Page 94

It's got to be an issue with the PS3 then, as the AVR can only play what it's receiving which is apparently only the lossy audio track. Do you have a Dolby TrueHD BD you can test as well?

I'm thinking it's the PS3 too. I do have a Dolby HD demo on my Dune HD, so I would have to burn it to a BD DL. I'll actually go and try that.

Return it!

Just for kicks are you using HDMI ? Also try rerunning setup on ps3 but use auto settings rather than manually selecting.

So, interestingly enough, I put the burnt Dolby HD demo disc in the slim... the Denon displayed "Dolby HD" and "D +"!!! So I am really confused! Why wouldnt it play the HD track for the commercial Avatar 3D disc with the DTS HD MA? I know it's there, I selected it myself, and it's the factory BD Panasonic sends out for purchasing products.


Yes, it's HDMI, as I mentioned in my initial post

OK, i've found part of the issue... 3D! I selected the 2D version of the Avatar BD and the Denon displayed the DTS HD MA the way it should. So I went back the the BD menu and selected the 3D version and the Denon then displayed DTS. WTF?!?! The video is perfectly fine, everything I am using is 3D capable, the cable is 3D HDMI from monoprice.. what gives????

EDIT******

I've found my answer, The PS3(slim) cannot handle both 3D and lossles HD audio, so it downmixes the audio while in 3D. So I will only get the lossy DTS during 3D playback.... LAME! Thanks Sony! I shouldnt have sold my BD player! The oppo-93 may be my next purchase I guess.

Thank you JD for your help with my issue!

Newbie here looking for some advice. I have been watching a 32" Panasonic box TV for the last ten years and finally decided to buy a larger TV. My new TV is a Samsung UN60D6000SF.

I currently have Klipsch KLF-20's for my front speakers, Klipsch KLF-C7 for my center channel and KSP-S6 surrounds. I have a Klipsch subwoofer that is on the fritz and needs to be replaced.

My current receiver is a Yamaha 2095 which has served me well and is quite enjoyable for listening to music. I think it is 100w X 5. I hate to part with this amp, but I think the newer Denon's would be a significant upgrade and necessity to view my new TV with HD format?

I've got Yamaha CD and DVD players, a Motorola cable box and an old Adcom line enhancer/surge protector. So, I am looking for some advice on which Denon receiver to get that is comparable to my Yamaha 2095, while not breaking the bank. I am going to be listening to 5.1 only, no other speakers will be necessary. My TV is not 3D and I am not interested in having any 3D bells and whistles.

I primarily want something that will be enjoyable with music like I have now, but will handle the more modern formatting with HD TV's. I've gotten old with the times and could have lived with the Yamaha forever if it wasn't for the newer TV formats.

If this is the wrong forum, feel free to move it to the appropriate location. I have read the beginning of this thread and picked at other parts of it, but it is very long Thanks for any suggestions for this old schooler and hopefully I can find someone with a phD to set this all up when I get it purchased.

I returned my AVR891 because of this issue. I could not figure out what was causing it. I tried everything suggested to me, microprocessor reset, switching HDMI cables, turn HDMI CEC off ect. Nothing worked. Your post concerns me because I returned my AVR891 for the 2112 thinking it would not have the same issue. My 2112 arrives on Monday...

What TV do you have yours connected to? That is the only variable I could not isolate but I've had a yamaha 667 hooked up to the same TV with no issues whatsoever so I'm pretty sure the TV is not the problem. Mine is a higher end Panny from a couple years ago, can't remember the model off hand.

Hi All,

I'm looking to purchase the B&W CM9 speakers, (8 ohm down to a possible 3 ohm, 89DB), and was wondering if people here think that the 3312 would be able to drive these to a good, solid level ?. And by that, I mean that I don't have a huge room (3.5m x 6m) , so volume levels don't need to be very high. If I move into a large place, where volume levels become more important, then I would probably add a 2 channel amplifier to the pre-outs.

I know that it won't push the speakers to it's full potential, but as long as there will probably be no danger of clipping etc at medium volume levels - then that's fine for me.

Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated!

I apologize in advance for the long post...

I went to a certain store yesterday with every intention to browse the new receivers, set on not buying anything until after firmware updates are rolled out. Then, I saw out of the corner of my eye - this lonely 2311 just sitting there on a shelf with an AMAZING discount tag for being an "open-box" item.

Turns out, this receiver was used in-store for demos, and it was literally the last one. So, it was offered to me at more than 50% off...and then an additional 10% off of that...and I just so happened to have my gift cards with me - so I really felt the opportunity couldn't be passed up.

Here's the deal though - I was given a 2312 user manual, CD, Audyssey mic, and remote because they couldn't find the 2311's. I was about to turn down the deal when it was explained to me that if something does not work properly, I could take it back and exchange it. Well, guess what? They don't have the 2311 anymore, so it would be the 2312 (comparable model) I'd be getting. SERIOUSLY?? I even double-checked with the corporate HQ to verify this policy. It all checks out.

On another thread, I experienced a volume spike, but a microprocessor reset seems to have fixed the problem. With the RC-1156 remote, I am noticing that some of the 2311 features are only accessible through lengthy menu navigation, or directly from the front panel of the receiver. I read on the Audyssey set-up thread that you are ONLY supposed to use the Audyssey mic that is supplied with your receiver. While I have enjoyed the receiver immensely over the past several hours, these types of issues make me extremely paranoid about keeping it.

Obviously, if something goes wrong - I'll take it back and exchange it for a 2312. But the million dollar question is - how comparable are these 2 models? Is it worth considering a swap based on my findings above? The sound quality on the 2311 is amazing - but I do believe the 2312 has XT, which I am told makes quite a difference.

As always, thanks for any input you may have!

That was a flagship AVR back in the day and so likely has a full set of analog inputs. Rather than replacing it, you may want to simply consider buying a new Blu Ray player with multi channel outputs (eg. used Oppo BDP-83) and then you don't need to buy a new AVR just to get the new HD audio.

If you still prefer to buy a new AVR, those KF-20's are very efficient @ 100db so more than likely any of the new "CI" models (2112CI, 2312CI, or 3312CI) or last year's 3311CI would serve you well depending on your budget.

Oops! Sorry, I overlooked the 3D BD as I presumed you had played several regular 2D BDs, however, you are correct in that although the PS3 (fat or slim) can now play 3D video, it cannot also pass the HD audio along with it.

Any suggestions??

I have an older Harman avr 340 (like 55wpc, none of the newer lossless modes, no hdmi) that sounds great in a 20x20' room powering a full Def Tech Mythos ST, mythos 10 center, gem xl surround system. It has analog in/ pre-out connections which I like.

I would be connecting an xbox 360, oppo 93, cable box to my new receiver and sending the output to a Mitsubishi 82738 rear DLP tv. I would probably want to hook a computer or Mac Mini up in the future also.

Any suggestions on which Denon would be best for my setup to get the most from my speakers? The oppo works well for DLNA -plays almost everything over the network using Twonky on my PC. Budget is flexible but I probably would want the analog in/pre outs like I have wih my HK avr.

Thanks for any help guys!!

Those are 8Ω speakers so the 3312CI should easily drive them.

Denon no longer adds the multi channel analog inputs on models below the 43XX series and the 3312CI is the only XX12 model with preouts. For both analog inputs and preouts, your only option is last year's 4311CI or the year before's 4310CI if you dont' need 3D support.

There's no comparison between the two ... the 2312CI uses the more advanced version of Audyssey MultEQ XT as well as being able to display a more advanced GUI over 3D video. They do both, however, use the same Audyssey mic.

If I'm willing to forget about the analog inputs, and use the audio via hdmi, which receiver would u then suggest to really enjoy my speakers?

Thanks for your responses.

If you still want preouts, your only option is either last year's 3311CI or the 3312CI. As you seem to be satisfied with the 55W HK, you likely don't need the preout requirement either and therefore the 2112CI would serve you well. Really depends on your budget and what your input/feature requirements are which you can review by reading post #2 of this thread. At the very least I'd go with a "CI" model for the Audyssey MultEQ XT. With those high quality speakers though .. I'd also strongly suggest the 4311CI as it uses the most advanced version of Audyssey MultEQ XT 32, can EQ 2 subs, and has both analog multi in and preouts. It's in short supply now (as is the 3312CI) and in high demand as it's arguably the best AVR < $2000 but can generally be had for 25% below MSRP by "calling" one of the authorized resellers including Electronics Expo, 6Ave, ABT, or J&R.

Thanks jdsmoothie. I will look in detail at those choices!!

Some days it doesn't happen at all, other days, I've had it happen 2 or 3 times. Doesn't matter what I am doing with it.

I'm connected via HDMI from the AVR to a TC-P50G10 Panny Plasma. I have an Xbox360 connected to Game1, a PS3 connected to Game2, and a Sony CD player connected via analog to some other input...I have the unit networked along with my PC (wifi), PS3 (wifi), Xbox (wired), and maybe my TV, I can't remember if that's still wired up to my router or not. The only remotes I have are the Denon, my cable remote, and my Panny TV remote.

On the TV, I have Viera-Link turned off, and I've had the source change when there's nothing on except the AVR and my PC.

Looks like I'll be utilizing the warranty on this one sooner or later...however, I hope there's a hard or soft fix - I don't want to exchange without an actual issue being found/known/isolated, or I could just end up returning another one with this problem never actually being looked into.

Anyone know if Spotify support will be coming to these AVRs now that Spotify has started in the US?

This would be great if I can do this! I was told by a salesperson at BB that I would need a new receiver. So, if I buy a Blu Ray player I can still get a good picture and sound quality?

You would need a Blu Ray player "w/multi channel analog outputs" (as most BDPs don't have them) which you would connect to your Yamaha for the audio and then connect the HDMI cable from the BDP to the TV. Note however, that although this configuration works, you would not be getting the benefit of Audyssey from a newer AVR which might improve your audio quality.

I'm not sure the Audyssey would make much of a difference due to the poor acoustics of my basement area where the TV is located. I have an 8 foot glass aquarium on one side and drywall on the other side. The room is about 10 foot across and 26 foot long. The two surround speakers are at awkward locations in the back of the room, not in identical locations or directions. Would the Audyssey feature do anything to bring it all together?

Greetings,

I just purchased a 2212ci and tried to get everything set up yesterday. For reference sake I have a Verizon STB, Samsung BR, WDTV Live and a Samsung HL-S6188w display all controlled by a Logitech Harmony 520 remote. I read the first couple of pages and thank everyone for the great information.

I am having serious issues with the HDMI-handshake problem and have a few questions.

I tried the solution given where you unplug the connections and shut everything down for 2 minutes and it works. The problem is that when I restart everything with the Harmony, I get a second of video and it goes blank. Anyone have the same experience?

I also tried connecting the STB directly to the TV, which works, but I get no audio. I have the audio connection STB --> AVR via coax. Not sure how to "activate" that?

Lastly, I was originally able to see the BR and WDTV Live with no issues. Now only the BR is working consistently. When I try to start the WDTV it's as if there is no input. It is just connected to the AVR via HDMI as is the BR player.

I am flummoxed...Thank you in advance for any help.

i bet audyssey will help you a lot more than you think it will...

The two receivers have the same power ratings and sound quality plus the 2312 offers front HDMI input, ethernet port for streaming internet radio and Pandora, etc, Audyssey MultiEQ XT, GUI over 3D and Airplay. It is clearly the better of the two receivers, plus you get a 3 year warranty.

For anyone else looking for the same answer I will post what I did to fix my issue (Audio after directly connecting STB to TV via HDMI) Instead of using the coax for audio I used the digital connection and now it works.

For whatever reason, now the WDTV Live works too...not sure why that would affect the WDTV functionality. Quirky.

You'd be surprised as that is the whole point of Audyssey. All boils down to your budget ... if you want to watch Blu Ray movies, you'll have to buy a Blu Ray player anyway. If you're satisifed with your current audio, then pay a little more for a Blu Ray w/analog outputs ...if not, also pick up a 2112CI while you're looking for a BDP.

Thanks for all your help! What is a BDP?

If I thought the 3312 could match my old Yamaha receiver in SQ, then I would buy one for sure.