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post #2881 of 17901
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Originally Posted by bigl34461
Ok for anyone who had problems with the net/USB gui not showing up when using AirPlay....follow this path in the menu

Menu- system setup- option- GUI - net/ USB- always.
Have that set already since day 1 but that doesn't help, every few days I find that the GUI would not show up on just the net/USB input no matter what I do, it happened again yesterday after working fine for about a week, I could not get it back by simply unplugging the HDMI cable like last time, I had to unplug the AVR for a few mins to get it back.

Also last night while streaming Spotify to the receiver over AirPlay, I noticed that the screen flickered and the audio dropped out for a second multiple times, the screen would flicker and either there was no display or there were flashes of green color and static. I almost felt the receiver was going to die on me any moment.
post #2882 of 17901
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sminyard View Post
To better understand where I am typically in the volume range, I was just wondering what number in the positive dbs represented max.
the actual volume limit is +18, but this can be lowered if there is positive gain elsewhere in the chain (e.g. if your source level is set to +5, then +13 will be the max).

after you calibrate with Audyssey, the volume of "0" should correspond to "reference" for movie soundtracks. That means watching a Blu-ray or DVD (with Dynamic Volume and any other compression turned off) you will hear the same SPL in your room as you would in a movie theater when the volume is at "0".

for a variety of reasons, most rooms cannot handle full "reference" volume, so typical volume for a loud "movie night" viewing would be -10 to -20 or so (10 to 20 dB below reference). Some people go higher, some lower, depending.

with other sources it's more dicey because there is no specified reference. Music is often "hotter" and more compressed so -10 would probably shake the room, -20 to -30 might be more reasonable for loud music. With cable TV content you might find you are a bit lower also, but it depends on the channel.

there are other factors, e.g. if you are using Dynamic Volume, if you use "source level" to balance input volumes, etc. But, as a general rule, anywhere from -40 up to 0 (reference) is "normal".
post #2883 of 17901
Gotcha. Thanks for the explanation.
post #2884 of 17901
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Originally Posted by agen999 View Post
I have a 3212 with the same issue... I just contacted Rhapsody and they said

"Damon : We are aware of this problem because we have a lot customer getting back with the same error after updating.
Damon : That's why we suggest to contact the manufacturer of the device to update the firmware properly. Contacting Denon to update the firmware is the only fix we have.
"
Big help
Please read post #4, item 6.
post #2885 of 17901
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post


why would they have a firmware update for something that wasn't broken? the "Advanced" GUI has been relatively unchanged in navigation/structure for 4+ years now (since the 3808/4308 models).

So can I assume the 3312ci and 4311ci share the same on-screen GUI, only difference being 3312ci can display it over 3D while 4311ci cannot?
post #2886 of 17901
I had a Denon 5800, their GUI and remote operation has never been all that intuitive IMHO. Fortunately, I tend to just set it up and leave it. I also have a URC MX-880 which I can program as I need to drive the Denon.

I just updated the firmware on my 3312, and it looked like I had to do the Audyssey setup all over again. Is that normal for firmware updates?
post #2887 of 17901
^^
Generally no, however, it's a good idea to save your config file prior to doing an update just in case.
post #2888 of 17901
Ah good idea on the config file. I'll have to remember that. I wanted/needed to redo the Audyssy setup anyway though.
post #2889 of 17901
Also note that update was from July 13 ... there should be another one in a few days to resolve the Rhapsody account access issue.
post #2890 of 17901
I've posted this question a couple times, and I'm sorry to re-post, but I have not seen any info on it.

Now that the 3312 is out, how does the new video processing chip compare to the old? Is it an upgrade or a downgrade from the 3311's?
post #2891 of 17901
Ah thanks for the heads up on that. I'll back up the config file right now.
post #2892 of 17901
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Originally Posted by WhereToStart View Post

I've posted this question a couple times, and I'm sorry to re-post, but I have not seen any info on it.

Now that the 3312 is out, how does the new video processing chip compare to the old? Is it an upgrade or a downgrade from the 3311's?

From the few reports we've gotten, it would seem to be no better and no worse. Denon likely just changed mfr's as ABT was sold to another company and the chip used now is from the same company who's processor is being used (ie. Analog Devices).
post #2893 of 17901
I don't really know if this belongs here on in the Audyssey thread.

I will give it shot here first. All my speakers, fronts, center, surounds, back surround and sub are all being set though the Audyssesy setup at around -7db. That seems counter inutitive to me. why would they not have set the mains close to or right at -0 dB and then set the the rest where they would be in line with that?

It chose Audyssey Flat... it sounded brittle and I chose Audyssey.

I have PSB Imagine 65Ts for fronts, 40Ts for Surrounds and and 25s for SBs The PSBs are 6 ohm, and the 65s are like 93dB sensitivity.. it seems like depending on how things are mixed I run out of power. Does that make sense? The room is large 18x23 with 8 ft ceiling but one end is partially open to a dining room. It sounds much better than the cheap Sony, I would expect that with MultiEQ XT but it seems to run out of gas. Any ideas?

The wife is in bed so I did not go bump every 3 dB and try it again. Is that even a viable thing?
post #2894 of 17901
Thread Starter 
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I will give it shot here first. All my speakers, fronts, center, surounds, back surround and sub are all being set though the Audyssesy setup at around -7db. That seems counter inutitive to me. why would they not have set the mains close to or right at -0 dB and then set the the rest where they would be in line with that?

because it's not just balancing them RELATIVELY, it's calibrating your volume dial, setting them at a specific ABSOLUTE level such that 0 on the volume dial corresponds precisely to film reference (75dB on the internal test tones). Because your speakers are very sensitive (93dB) they need to be trimmed down to play at the correct volume.

turning up the trims by 3dB won't do anything but change the number you see on the volume display.
post #2895 of 17901
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

because it's not just balancing them RELATIVELY, it's calibrating your volume dial, setting them at a specific ABSOLUTE level such that 0 on the volume dial corresponds precisely to film reference (75dB on the internal test tones). Because your speakers are very sensitive (93dB) they need to be trimmed down to play at the correct volume.

turning up the trims by 3dB won't do anything but change the number you see on the volume display.

I guess I need to listen again at high volume now that I have Flat disabled.
post #2896 of 17901
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post


why would they have a firmware update for something that wasn't broken? the "Advanced" GUI has been relatively unchanged in navigation/structure for 4+ years now (since the 3808/4308 models).

Because the guy is hard to navigate
post #2897 of 17901
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Originally Posted by gtgray View Post

It chose Audyssey Flat... it sounded brittle and I chose Audyssey.

The wife is in bed so I did not go bump every 3 dB and try it again. Is that even a viable thing?

The AVR defaults to the "Audyssey" setting ... AFAIK, only Onkyo's default to "Audyssey Flat" after AUTO SETUP is completed. Also note, that settings made prior to running AUTO SETUP are ignored.
post #2898 of 17901
There is an update available for 2112CI. It should take about 22 minutes (4 Mb ADSL connection), according with AVR estimative.

I am (slowly) downloading it right now.

I will keep you posted.
post #2899 of 17901
^^
This should be the first update for the 2112CI and is very likely the Rhapsody update. If there are any Rhapsody account holders that can confirm, please report back. The other models should also be getting updates anytime now as well.
post #2900 of 17901
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Originally Posted by benalexe View Post

Because the guy is hard to navigate

^^^

once a day for a week, spend 10 minutes and scroll through all the menu options... once you "know where to look for stuff", it'll become much easier to navigate...

two things are pretty much certain though:

- there ain't gonna be a change to it in a model year firmware release
and
- even if there was, someone would then complain that the new one is hard to navigate...

something that would be truly helpful, otoh, would be for d&m to build properly indexed pdf documents for their manuals... while the d&m manuals are slightly more "difficult" than the pio manuals in terms of the way they are written, the pio manuals are MUCH easier to coax information out of...
post #2901 of 17901
Update succesfully completed.

I did not detect any changes (PS.: I am not a Rhapsody subscriber)

post #2902 of 17901
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Originally Posted by gtgray View Post

I guess I need to listen again at high volume now that I have Flat disabled.

it will probably result in better results... that "brittle" sound you are hearing is likely the result of not rolling off the high end...
post #2903 of 17901
I just finished the update: "Update completed." Unfortunately when I start Rhapsody I get the following message:

"Rhapsody is temporarily unavailable. A firmware update will be coming soon. Please ensure auto update notification is on."

--orccro
post #2904 of 17901
^^
Is there a way for you to confirm whether this is due to an issue with the Rhapsody website itself or does it point to the update not being Rhapsody related?
post #2905 of 17901
Rhapsody plays fine from my Denon 2112 using AirPlay from my IPhone.

--orccro
post #2906 of 17901
Okay, thanks. Apparently the Rhapsody update is still forthcoming.
post #2907 of 17901
2112 owner here, anyone know exactly what this firmware update covered?
post #2908 of 17901
jdsmoothie...do you know what the latest update fire the 1912 is for? The other day I checked and there wasn't one but today there is.
post #2909 of 17901
^^
Firmware update information is posted in post #6 on page 1 of this thread. If it's not there .. I don't know what it does.
post #2910 of 17901
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

If the sub trim comes out at -12db, you simply need to turn down the volume knob on the sub as much as necessary to bring it off of -12db and closer to 0db.

1. After running AUTO SETUP, you can adjust any setting on the AVR itself (ie. raise crossovers, raise/lower volume, change speaker size LARGE to SMALL), you just don't want to make adjustments on the sub itself.
2. AUTO SETUP ignores any settings prior to running it.
3. 120hz .... the factory default setting.
4. Minimum crossover should be 60hz or 80hz. If the Denon sets any speaker crossover above 80hz then don't touch it. Higher the crossover, more load passed to sub.

Also ... suggest you reread post #3, para 1b. and 1c.

Volume on the Sub all the down and still receiving a -12db reading. What is going on? This is not normal and seems to be occuring since I added the height speakers. Once item: if you get a "phase" on one of your speakers...could that cause this -12db sub reading? just reaching here...
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