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post #5251 of 18955
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

"futz" is a term only used by those who are highly technical advisors... along with "thingie", etc.

lol... do we get extra points just for being old?

the duck may come down, but i betcha he isn't allowed to have a cigar in his bill anymore...

"the one... the only.... GROUCHO!!!"...

Bingo!
post #5252 of 18955
^^^

"youuuuuu bet your life"...

future shock moment here... thinking about that, i watched that as a little kid on tiny black and white tv with a fuzzy picture at best... and was happier than the proverbial pig in slop...

now, i sit here and watch my projector and gripe about the occasional pixelation on a sports event...

times sure have changed...
post #5253 of 18955
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Futz

Futz being Yiddish may have confused a reader or two, but how well known are the Hacker's Dictionary candidates? Tweak and twiddle are well known, but if you're frobbing that knob, you're just playing with it for fun. Or, there's this definition from the Urban dictionary:

Frob

1. In MUDD terms (not the jeans, the world), to activate.
2. To poke, prod, or otherwise afflict a person/object, usually with the index finger, to illicit a reaction of some kind. In most cases, one speaks the word aloud while doing so.

Bob frobs Mopsy in the forehead sometimes.

Now back to your usual Denon topics!
post #5254 of 18955
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

The 1612 has coaxial digital. If the DVR has coaxial digital you can use that.

True, and it may come to that someday. OTOH, my original problem was about how to change the settings a quick select uses, and I got suggestions about HDMI-CEC and recabling. I've read this entire thread (*Phew*) and I'm convinced that certain "fixes" are over-prescribed at times. The three most popular are:

- Replace HDMI cable[s]
- Reconfigure with digital coax/optical to AVR and HDMI to display
- Reset microprocessor (or network)

None of these were relevant for me.
post #5255 of 18955
I think I have done the research and found out that the answer is no, but I thought I would ask just in case.

I have a 3312 where the main zone is my living room with a TV using HDMI monitor 1.

I have a screen porch which I have a TV hooked up to HDMI monitor 2. I can get video, but not audio on my TV on the porch. I can't get audio to my living room tv either for that matter, only through the main zone speakers.

Is there a way to get audio and video through the HDMI out, and through the main zone speakers at the same time?

Hope this made sense, and thanks for any help.
post #5256 of 18955
Hey all. First time poster. Glad to be here. Very informative forum! I have a Denon 3312CI and am wondering if anyone can help me.

My DVD and DVR HDMI ports don't seem to be working. I upgraded to the most recent firmware to make sure everything was up to date on my end. I was trying all night to run a HDMI cable from my PC to my Denon 3312CI and couldn't get it working.

- I played with my settings on my PC to make sure it wasn't the issue. Turns out everything on my PC was fine. (keep reading below)
- Tried different HDMI cables from PC to Denon.
- I went back into the Denon setup and made sure the source for DVD and DVR were using HDMI. None of my sources are set to be hidden.

I finally tested to see if my main HDMI cable was at fault. I ended up connecting it from my PC to my TV bypassing the 3312CI and it worked! This means that the problem is not residing on my PC since I am able to get a signal to my TV.

I finally hooked up my HDMI cable from my PC to Game 2 on the 3312CI and now it works. My friend suggested I test my XBOX 360 on the DVD and DVR HDMI ports on the 3312CI to see if they are working and they don't. I re-ran the source setup on those ports to make sure HDMI is selected and no dice. I got it working on my BD port, however.

Question: Should I be worried? Are the DVD and DVR HDMI ports only suitable for devices that run less power?

This is the second 3312CI I am on now. The first one had infrared issues with the Denon and Logitech remote. I am worried if I am possibly sitting on a faulty unit.

Any help/advice would be appreciated. Thanks for reading.
post #5257 of 18955
Does this new model still have "Double Bass" when you put it in Pure Direct or is it now possible to play in Pure Direct without it and using your sub connected to LFE?
post #5258 of 18955
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Originally Posted by onlyclave View Post

You find it frustrating that the "Setup remote" included in the box doesn't support your off-brand TV? The "CI" part of the model number stands for "Custom Integration", and after an integrator sets up the receiver in a customer's house, they throw that remote in a drawer and give the customer a custom programmed universal remote.

The Denon remote is as functional as it needs to be to control the AVR. Beyond that, get a better remote.

That being said, try the codesets from Akai and Funai for your TV. They were the OEMs for Westinghouse.

Yes, I do find it frustrating that the Denon lists several hundred manufacturers, but one of the several brands of TVs sold at Best Buy. I don't buy your CI argument. If they're making an effort to support that many manufacturers, they should at least cover the major ones (here in the US) covered.

The good news is, the Akai TV code works to control my Westinghouse TV! This was exactly the information I was hoping to receive when I contacted Westinghouse. I hoped they'd tell me that Westinghouse was aliased to another brand, but they did not. I'll contact their support line and provide this information. I'm not sure if anything will be done with it, but at least I did my part.

Thank you!
post #5259 of 18955
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Originally Posted by rttrek View Post

True, and it may come to that someday. OTOH, my original problem was about how to change the settings a quick select uses, and I got suggestions about HDMI-CEC and recabling. I've read this entire thread (*Phew*) and I'm convinced that certain "fixes" are over-prescribed at times. The three most popular are:

- Replace HDMI cable[s]
- Reconfigure with digital coax/optical to AVR and HDMI to display
- Reset microprocessor (or network)

None of these were relevant for me.

Too funny ... at least there is a forum for Denon owners to come to in order to try to resolve their issue. Although the Quick Select setting adjustments resolved your issue, it was not clear that was your problem, nor did you specifically ask how to change the Quick Select in the first place, otherwise you would have recieved that information. Try doing this a few years and you will better appreciate that in many cases it can be difficult trying to resolve the issue given very basic information from the poster and more often then not, the "most popular" fixes do in fact resolve the issue.
post #5260 of 18955
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Originally Posted by BurningMustard View Post

I think I have done the research and found out that the answer is no, but I thought I would ask just in case.

Is there a way to get audio and video through the HDMI out, and through the main zone speakers at the same time?

Hope this made sense, and thanks for any help.

Not via HDMI no, but you could pass analog audio via either Zone 2 or the DVR Out jacks as long as the source is connected with analog RCA cables.
post #5261 of 18955
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Originally Posted by raph4el View Post

Question: Should I be worried? Are the DVD and DVR HDMI ports only suitable for devices that run less power?

The HDMI inputs seem to be different enough that some only accept certain source devices, however, if you can't get any of your source devices to work with them, you may want to replace the AVR.
post #5262 of 18955
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Originally Posted by Marc84 View Post

Does this new model still have "Double Bass" when you put it in Pure Direct or is it now possible to play in Pure Direct without it and using your sub connected to LFE?

The latter .... this model series has always had separate 2CH Direct/Stereo settings which allow double bass and/or setting the sub to OFF.
post #5263 of 18955
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The latter .... this model series has always had separate 2CH Direct/Stereo settings which allow double bass and/or setting the sub to OFF.

According to Batpig's manual when using the pure direct mode with LFE+MAIN and the subwoofer on I get double bass. So how do I turn the double bass off while keeping the sub on? What receiver models have this possibility?
post #5264 of 18955
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Not via HDMI no, but you could pass analog audio via either Zone 2 or the DVR Out jacks as long as the source is connected with analog RCA cables.

Thanks. The porch is also zone 2, so that is what I usually do just run audio through there. Problem is the back patio shares zone 2 so that area gets the "movie" too. I have CATV on the porch (No Cable Box) so it is only a problem when I want to see what the main zone is seeing...HDTV or a DVD...on the porch.

I can't think of anyway to do this while keeping the TV on the porch as an HDMI video feed. I guess I could run composite monitor outs (DVR,etc) but then I would lose PQ for Blu-ray and HDTV.

Probably just trying to do too much for one box.
post #5265 of 18955
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Originally Posted by Marc84 View Post

According to Batpig's manual when using the pure direct mode with LFE+MAIN and the subwoofer on I get double bass. So how do I turn the double bass off while keeping the sub on? What receiver models have this possibility?

Set the sub to LFE (and not LFE+Main) and the front mains to LARGE. The 1712 and higher support this feature.
post #5266 of 18955
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Originally Posted by BurningMustard View Post

Problem is the back patio shares zone 2 so that area gets the "movie" too.

Pick up an inexpensive used 2CH amp (~$50 on Craigslist or eBay) and connect the back patio as Zone 3 via the Zone 3 preouts on the 3312CI or just use an A/B analog audio switch.
post #5267 of 18955
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Pick up an inexpensive used 2CH amp (~$50 on Craigslist or eBay) and connect the back patio as Zone 3 via the Zone 3 preouts on the 3312CI or just use an A/B analog audio switch.


jdsmoothie - you are very helpful, I should have provided more details.

I have the kitchen as zone 3 running the denon internal amp. Zone two is (split) going to a 5 channel emotiva to run the porch and patio (1 channel free). I have volume controls at each location, but I just don't think I can do what I want.

Basically, Mom in kitchen with her music. Kids in backyard with their music. Game/blu-ray in living room and screen porch in HD. Oh well, thanks for your time.

P.S. my 3312 locks up all the time, to the point of having to unplug it. Anyway to address this?

Thanks!
post #5268 of 18955
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Set the sub to LFE (and not LFE+Main) and the front mains to LARGE. The 1712 and higher support this feature.

Thanks! The xx10 and xx11 models also support this feature?
post #5269 of 18955
raph4el,
I had a similar problem with my 1912. For some reason my AVR only worked on certain HDMI inputs. DId you ensure that ALL your HDMI inputs were enabled? (make sure that all your inputs either say Auto or HDMI when you change your source on your AVR) For some reason, there were a few on mine that were not enabled out of the box. You can do that before trying a micro reset.
Since then, Ive been able to connect my PC to the AVR via Vaux input, but still do not get any sound. When I go to Control panel->sound.. my HDMI device is greyed out. I thought maybe this is because the .mkv file I am playing does not have surround sound? For now, I am just bypassing the AVR , but would like to know how to get sound working via AVR also...

keep us updated..
post #5270 of 18955
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Marc84 View Post

Thanks! The xx10 and xx11 models also support this feature?

Marc - Absolutely NOTHING has changed about bass management options in the new models. It works exactly like it has for years, as described in the "2CH STEREO/DIRECT" section of my FAQ.

What JD was referring to is the separate "2CH DIRECT/STEREO" menu that allows you to have different settings for stereo vs. multichannel, which is generally not available in the entry-level models (e.g. 16xx). It is not a "new" feature in any respect.
post #5271 of 18955
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Originally Posted by Shanndogg View Post

I was able to test a few more sources and found that the picture degradation by the 2312 is also present when watching Directv. Please see the attached photos where picture #11 with Video Convert ON clearly shows a green line that is produced in between the yellow and blue border portion of the Directv menu. The end of the word "seconds" also seems to have some random color blurs as opposed to photo #12 which has Video Convert OFF. #12 also does not produce the green line.

I have been trying to get an example of this occurring during regular viewing and not just in the menus, but clearly the Denon 2312 and most likely 3312 severely degrade the picture by adding weird colored ghosting to the picture.

The Boxee Box shows the problem more predominately compared to the Direct TV example, but since most probably don't have a Boxee Box I figure there has to be some that have Directv with either a 2312 or 3312 that can see if theirs does the same thing. If there is anyone out there that can check please let me know your results.

Let me make sure I have it set up correctly as well: you should just be able to plug your sources in via HDMI, then one HDMI to the TV and everything should work correctly right out of the box right? This would be with Video Convert on, or should I have it off for all of the HDMI sources?

same problem as you tested.

the problem is more noticabel when dispaly black fonts on gray background. (like many windows dialoges)

I'm using denon 2312
post #5272 of 18955
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Originally Posted by BurningMustard View Post

P.S. my 3312 locks up all the time, to the point of having to unplug it. Anyway to address this?

Thanks!

Are you referring to the network or the AVR itself? If the network, you may need to reset the router. If the AVR, you may need to do a hard reset (p. 149) if not already done.
post #5273 of 18955
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Too funny ... at least there is a forum for Denon owners to come to in order to try to resolve their issue. Although the Quick Select setting adjustments resolved your issue, it was not clear that was your problem, nor did you specifically ask how to change the Quick Select in the first place, otherwise you would have recieved that information. Try doing this a few years and you will better appreciate that in many cases it can be difficult trying to resolve the issue given very basic information from the poster and more often then not, the "most popular" fixes do in fact resolve the issue.

I really didn't mean to sound like so many sour grapes; I must have gotten up on the wrong side of the keyboard yesterday.

I fully appreciate all the fine effort you and everyone else put into this forum!
Thanks!
post #5274 of 18955
I've got another quick question to ask if anyone can help. I have my computer running hdmi for video to the 1612, and then am also trying to use optical from the computer to the 1612. In input set up I have the correct connection on the back assigned to the right HDMI # and then also have the optical connection assigned to that hdmi port too. I get video just fine but no audio. Then when the computer turns off the display in power save mode, the audio starts working. I assume this is because the receiver auto detects that the hdmi port is inactive and then starts using the signal from the optical connection. Anyone got any ideas how I can get video through hdmi and audio via optical to work at the same time? I tried using the different hdmi ports and assigning the optical connection with them and it just does the same thing.

Thanks
post #5275 of 18955
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Originally Posted by slmhofy View Post

I've got another quick question to ask if anyone can help. I have my computer running hdmi for video to the 1612, and then am also trying to use optical from the computer to the 1612. In input set up I have the correct connection on the back assigned to the right HDMI # and then also have the optical connection assigned to that hdmi port too. I get video just fine but no audio. Then when the computer turns off the display in power save mode, the audio starts working. I assume this is because the receiver auto detects that the hdmi port is inactive and then starts using the signal from the optical connection. Anyone got any ideas how I can get video through hdmi and audio via optical to work at the same time? I tried using the different hdmi ports and assigning the optical connection with them and it just does the same thing.

Thanks

Go to Input Setup/Input Assign/ Scroll to source / select Optical as you already have. You then need to go into Input Setup/ Input Mode/ and select Digital.
post #5276 of 18955
new problem. When i turn off video convert for BD input. the screen(mitsubish hc77-11s projector) frequently get blue screen. about once in ten minutes. When i turn video convert on, no occurend. but the video quality degraded much when video convert on.
post #5277 of 18955
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Originally Posted by spager View Post

Go to Input Setup/Input Assign/ Scroll to source / select Optical as you already have. You then need to go into Input Setup/ Input Mode/ and select Digital.

Thank you Spager. I will give this a try tomorrow and report back.
post #5278 of 18955
Question ....

So I just received my 1912 yesterday and I didn't have time to (physically) set it up until late last night.

I got the AVR in place and hooked it up to speakers, TV and sources and assigned inputs.

Since this was taking place late at night and the wife was asleep, I was afraid of running auto setup (or whatever you call the speaker calibration with the mic) because of, well, it was late and I didn't know how loud it'd be.

With that said, is there anything wrong with having pretty much everything setup except for auto setup and going ahead and doing that today?

Or is there any reason that certain things need to be done in specific order?
post #5279 of 18955
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Are you referring to the network or the AVR itself? If the network, you may need to reset the router. If the AVR, you may need to do a hard reset (p. 149) if not already done.

Thanks again JD, I will try the hard reset.

One more question: I looked and I can't believe I could find or figure this out. How do I have a different video and audio source in the main room? Video CATV/Audio tuner in main zone. This seemed much easier on my old 3802.

Thanks!
post #5280 of 18955
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Originally Posted by ben_g99 View Post

Question ....

So I just received my 1912 yesterday and I didn't have time to (physically) set it up until late last night.

I got the AVR in place and hooked it up to speakers, TV and sources and assigned inputs.

Since this was taking place late at night and the wife was asleep, I was afraid of running auto setup (or whatever you call the speaker calibration with the mic) because of, well, it was late and I didn't know how loud it'd be.

With that said, is there anything wrong with having pretty much everything setup except for auto setup and going ahead and doing that today?

Or is there any reason that certain things need to be done in specific order?

You can use it with or with out having run auto set up, but auto set up will let you know if you hooked up a speaker back words (out of phase) along with all the other settings that it does. Even after running auto set up, you want to look at the results. In particular the crossover points of the speakers (large/small). Pretty much in all cases you should be running the speakers as small. I wish that AVR manufacturers used a different term. Large/small has caused a lot of confusion.
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