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post #5281 of 18976
Thanks for the quick response.

I have successfully run auto setup a couple of times now. The issues I keep having is my subwoofer. It keeps ketting maxed out at -12db.

I have set the LPF to the highest frequency. I have turned the 'volume' or gain knob to 50% (in the middle). I've set the polarity to 0.

Now I know I don't have the best placement for my woofer, but I really don't have any options. The sub is located directly behind my TV and therefore directly behind the center. I've got it as far away from the wall as possible (TV is in a corner, so I have a bit of room seeing that my TV is a 58").

Do I just need to keep turning the 'volume' or gain down until I get closer to a 0db offset?

Also, how do I best manage subwoofer gain with the AVR? It seems that channel level is not per input/source, but a global setting? Any way I can adjust the bass per input/source?
post #5282 of 18976
I have the 1612. Yesterday, I hooked up a new laptop that I just received (ASUS A53E) by connecting the HDMI cable between the laptop and the DVD input (on the back of the Denon). As soon as I depressed the DVD input on the Denon remote, I could get both sound and picture on my TV. After watching about a 40 miniute streaming video, I shut everything down. Later that day, I performed the same setup, but the only thing on the TV was a "still" picture of the ASUS computer, which is typically on the laptop at startup. I can't figure out what changed to prevent the video feed, as I haven't physically changed anything. Any suggestions? Thanks
post #5283 of 18976
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Originally Posted by ben_g99 View Post

Thanks for the quick response.

I have successfully run auto setup a couple of times now. The issues I keep having is my subwoofer. It keeps ketting maxed out at -12db.

I have set the LPF to the highest frequency. I have turned the 'volume' or gain knob to 50% (in the middle). I've set the polarity to 0.

Now I know I don't have the best placement for my woofer, but I really don't have any options. The sub is located directly behind my TV and therefore directly behind the center. I've got it as far away from the wall as possible (TV is in a corner, so I have a bit of room seeing that my TV is a 58").

Do I just need to keep turning the 'volume' or gain down until I get closer to a 0db offset?

....

Yes, just keep turning the subwoofer gain control on the subwoofer down (try 25%) and rerun AUTO Setup. You don't have to get all the way to the 0db offset, just get it higher than -12db, ie. -11, -10, etc.
post #5284 of 18976
I just got an AVR-2112CI - does anyone know how I can update the firmware without being able to see the On Screen Display? I don't have any display in the room where I have to hook up to the internet.
post #5285 of 18976
I have a question about 7.1. When watching x-men, it's DTS HD MA and when u had my heights on the avr still displayed DTS HD MA. With transformers 3, it's Dolby True HD. When I first put it on, it said TRUE HD on the avr but when I turned on the front height for 7.1, the display had DDHD+PLIIz. Am I still getting true 7.1? Why did x-men with DTS still show DTS HD MA after I turned on the front height?

Another thing I noticed is sometimes when I turn on front height, the cinema EQ option changes to show PLIIz Height and grays out, but other times it has the Cinema EQ option where you can select it. Anyone know why it's different sometimes. And if Cinema EQ is selectable, should I have it off? I think it's off on 5.1 with DD on uverse.
post #5286 of 18976
Would the auto set up on an avr 1612 pick up a blown woofer on a center channel?
And--what are the signs of a blown or non working woofer on the center channel?

It's "working" but when I put my ear up to the speaker only one of the woofers seems to be giving out sound (mostly dialogue or sportscasters, when watching a game).

It's a B&W center channel with two woofers and a cone subwoofer.

Obviously if it's not working I need to a) get it fixed and b) I'd assume it would "throw off" the channel settings and the various settings that auto set up accomplishes.

Thanks
Dulany
post #5287 of 18976
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Originally Posted by golfnatic View Post

I just got an AVR-2112CI - does anyone know how I can update the firmware without being able to see the On Screen Display? I don't have any display in the room where I have to hook up to the internet.

Just use the Denon avr osd, You may want to write down the navigation path as you can see it easier on your panel.
post #5288 of 18976
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Originally Posted by dulany View Post

Would the auto set up on an avr 1612 pick up a blown woofer on a center channel?
And--what are the signs of a blown or non working woofer on the center channel?

It's "working" but when I put my ear up to the speaker only one of the woofers seems to be giving out sound (mostly dialogue or sportscasters, when watching a game).

It's a B&W center channel with two woofers and a cone subwoofer.

Obviously if it's not working I need to a) get it fixed and b) I'd assume it would "throw off" the channel settings and the various settings that auto set up accomplishes.

Thanks
Dulany

Audyssey will compensate and do what it can but it can not reproduce frequencies so you should see a big difference in the plus in the Channel Level for that speaker and it will more than likely say it is out of phase. It is still better to run Audyssey with it until you get it fixed.

You will probably notice a flat response when that speaker chirps during Audyssey.
post #5289 of 18976
I purchased an AppleTV2 unit and am trying to set my 2112CI up properly, and I'm not having a lot of luck so far. I ran the ATV2 into the V.AUX HDMI port. I have gone into the Denon configuration and assigned V.AUX to be HDMI2. I don't believe I've done anything else. The unit is on, the TV is on (and shows the Denon menus, so I know signal is passing through). However, I see no indication the ATV2 unit signal is passing through. Power is on to the ATV2, and when I push the Menu button on the ATV2 remote I see the indicator light flash as an apparent acknowledgement, but I'm seeing nothing visually. The TV (also connected through HDMI) shows a quick blurb at the bottom of the Screen showing the source as V.AUX, the VIDEO: DOCK, and MODE: STEREO. I looked around a bit and didn't find a step-by-step configuration for this, so I thought I would ask. Thanks.
post #5290 of 18976
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Originally Posted by johnwjames5 View Post

I purchased an AppleTV2 unit and am trying to set my 2112CI up properly, and I'm not having a lot of luck so far. I ran the ATV2 into the V.AUX HDMI port. I have gone into the Denon configuration and assigned V.AUX to be HDMI2. I don't believe I've done anything else. The unit is on, the TV is on (and shows the Denon menus, so I know signal is passing through). However, I see no indication the ATV2 unit signal is passing through. Power is on to the ATV2, and when I push the Menu button on the ATV2 remote I see the indicator light flash as an apparent acknowledgement, but I'm seeing nothing visually. The TV (also connected through HDMI) shows a quick blurb at the bottom of the Screen showing the source as V.AUX, the VIDEO: DOCK, and MODE: STEREO. I looked around a bit and didn't find a step-by-step configuration for this, so I thought I would ask. Thanks.

You should be able to see the apple tv2 interface when you plug in your hdmi cable. Make sure your cable is in securely. Try another hdmi port if no luck try another cable.

Try testing straight to the TV.
post #5291 of 18976
WTF! Ok I connected an optical cable from my TWC set top box to the avr1912. I have HDMI from the TWC set top box to the AVR1912 also. I have HDMI out from the 1912 to the tv. How do I get the avr1912 to recognize the optical cable? Everything is connected but the audio is still dropping out!!!!!!!
post #5292 of 18976
^^
If you have both the HDMI and optical assigned to the same source, the HDMI will take priority so you have to set the INPUT MODE setting to "Digital" in order to use the optical for the audio. A better solution may be connecting the HDMI directly to the TV with optical form the TWC to the AVR.
post #5293 of 18976
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Originally Posted by E Male View Post

WTF! Ok I connected an optical cable from my TWC set top box to the avr1912. I have HDMI from the TWC set top box to the AVR1912 also. I have HDMI out from the 1912 to the tv. How do I get the avr1912 to recognize the optical cable? Everything is connected but the audio is still dropping out!!!!!!!

Hi E Male, changing the "Input Mode" to "Digital" by going into the Input Setup menu.
post #5294 of 18976
OMG! Thank you JChin! So far so good! Seems to be working!
post #5295 of 18976
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Originally Posted by johnwjames5 View Post

I purchased an AppleTV2 unit and am trying to set my 2112CI up properly, and I'm not having a lot of luck so far. I ran the ATV2 into the V.AUX HDMI port. I have gone into the Denon configuration and assigned V.AUX to be HDMI2.

Perhaps it's your wording ... but as I understand it .. you have the ATV plugged in to the V. AUX HDMI port which is HDMI6. You then assigned the V. Aux source to HDMI 2. In order for this to work you would have to move the HDMI cable from HDMI6 to HDMI2.
post #5296 of 18976
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Originally Posted by golfnatic View Post

I just got an AVR-2112CI - does anyone know how I can update the firmware without being able to see the On Screen Display? I don't have any display in the room where I have to hook up to the internet.

Try using either an iPhone or Android remote app.
post #5297 of 18976
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Originally Posted by DonJ441 View Post

I have the 1612. Yesterday, I hooked up a new laptop that I just received (ASUS A53E) by connecting the HDMI cable between the laptop and the DVD input (on the back of the Denon). As soon as I depressed the DVD input on the Denon remote, I could get both sound and picture on my TV. After watching about a 40 miniute streaming video, I shut everything down. Later that day, I performed the same setup, but the only thing on the TV was a "still" picture of the ASUS computer, which is typically on the laptop at startup. I can't figure out what changed to prevent the video feed, as I haven't physically changed anything. Any suggestions? Thanks

HTPC connections can be iffy at best. When powering back on, do the TV first, followed by the AVR, followed by the PC, allowing a few seconds between each one.
post #5298 of 18976
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Originally Posted by johnc847 View Post

I have a question about 7.1. When watching x-men, it's DTS HD MA and when u had my heights on the avr still displayed DTS HD MA. With transformers 3, it's Dolby True HD. When I first put it on, it said TRUE HD on the avr but when I turned on the front height for 7.1, the display had DDHD+PLIIz. Am I still getting true 7.1? Why did x-men with DTS still show DTS HD MA after I turned on the front height?

As noted on p. 44, the display should read "DTS-HD PLIIz" so this is likely just a display error, especially if you're getting audio from the front heights. Try playing another DTS HD MA BD.
post #5299 of 18976
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Originally Posted by BurningMustard View Post

Thanks again JD, I will try the hard reset.

One more question: I looked and I can't believe I could find or figure this out. How do I have a different video and audio source in the main room? Video CATV/Audio tuner in main zone. This seemed much easier on my old 3802.

Thanks!

Easiest way is to connect the cable box HDMI directly to the TV with optical cable to the AVR for surround audio. Another option is component video and optical cable from the cable box to the AVR, then with the audio source selected, change the setting to the component cable input.
post #5300 of 18976
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Originally Posted by ben_g99 View Post

With that said, is there anything wrong with having pretty much everything setup except for auto setup and going ahead and doing that today?

Or is there any reason that certain things need to be done in specific order?

Nope .. other than until you run AUTO SETUP you won't be able to use any fo the Audyssey settings including Dyn EQ and Dyn Vol.
post #5301 of 18976
Hi, am a newbie generally at A/V and this is my first post.

I am considering purchasing the Denon 3312 and want to know whether i could reuse a Behringer B1220DSP as my subwoofer connected to the 3312's sub pre-out. The B1220DSP has 2 MIC/Line XLR Balanced inputs with Input impedence 27 kOlm and Sensitivity -40 to +10 dBu. What concerns/confuses me is that the 3312 pre-out is RCA and i assume unbalanced. So how would it react if i connected it via a RCA to XLR cable? Also the B1220DSP is not just a sub, but can handle high frequency input as well, but would its connection to the 3312's sub pre-out mean it would mainly be delivered only low frequencies and thus it wouldn't have to use its own higher frequency capabilities which might detract from the main front and center speaker output?

My other option is to go with a Revel B120 sub, which would be part of a set of Revel speakers that i also intend purchasing, being a F12 pair for Front L/R, C12 for Center, and M12 pair for Surround Rears L/R.

Should i just add the Revel B120 and forget about trying to save money by reusing the B1220DSP?

Edit: I have subsequently found a product that says it will convert unbalanced RCA to balanced XLR http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...2_Get_Up_.html . Would this be required/worthwhile?
post #5302 of 18976
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Perhaps it's your wording ... but as I understand it .. you have the ATV plugged in to the V. AUX HDMI port which is HDMI6. You then assigned the V. Aux source to HDMI 2. In order for this to work you would have to move the HDMI cable from HDMI6 to HDMI2.

This was the problem. I now remember having a similar problem with an older Denon unit several years ago.

I've got the ATV2 set up now, and I have to say it has some rather strange problems. There are quite a few options in the General Settings menu that don't allow me to select them, including Network, iTunes Store, Parental Controls, Update Software, and a few others.

The other oddity is that I have two computers in the house that have shared iTunes libraries on them. They are both authorized on the same iTunes account, as is the ATV. When I select the library that is on the desktop in the office, I can browse it just fine. When I select the library that is on my laptop (yes, it's running), the ATV shuts itself off. Yep, just plain shuts itself off. This is why I thought it might need a software update, and found so many things in the settings menu didn't work either. Seems as though the unit needs to catch up somehow, but I'm not sure how I'm going to swing that.

Odd behaviors.
post #5303 of 18976
i attaced two screen shots that demostration how my denon 2312 degrades hdmi video quality.

first picture was taken with direct HDMI connection from PC to projector.

second picture was taken when HDMI passthrough 2312 amp.

(while turn off video convert, the video quality restored, but lost HDMI overlay function, no osd, no volumn display)
LL
LL
post #5304 of 18976
^^
If you review post #4 in this thread you'll note this is a known issue that Denon is working to resolve.
post #5305 of 18976
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Originally Posted by starmoon007 View Post

i attaced two screen shots that demostration how my denon 2312 degrades hdmi video quality.

first picture was taken with direct HDMI connection from PC to projector.

second picture was taken when HDMI passthrough 2312 amp.

(while turn off video convert, the video quality restored, but lost HDMI overlay function, no osd, no volumn display)

Well,

Both pictures look bad to me. Thanks for the post though... I'll turn off video conversion in hopes the OSD disappears... that would be sweet.

Edit- I normally watch with Pure Direct so I bet that also takes care of whatever degradation you are seeing.


-Brian
post #5306 of 18976
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
If you review post #4 in this thread you'll note this is a known issue that Denon is working to resolve.


thanks, i noticed that issue.

Waitting for updating..

I'm wandering if other xx12 models have this issue too? I have a chance to return 2312 and exchange for another model. Should I exchange it or waiting for updating?
post #5307 of 18976
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Originally Posted by johnwjames5 View Post

This was the problem. I now remember having a similar problem with an older Denon unit several years ago.

I've got the ATV2 set up now, and I have to say it has some rather strange problems. There are quite a few options in the General Settings menu that don't allow me to select them, including Network, iTunes Store, Parental Controls, Update Software, and a few others.

The other oddity is that I have two computers in the house that have shared iTunes libraries on them. They are both authorized on the same iTunes account, as is the ATV. When I select the library that is on the desktop in the office, I can browse it just fine. When I select the library that is on my laptop (yes, it's running), the ATV shuts itself off. Yep, just plain shuts itself off. This is why I thought it might need a software update, and found so many things in the settings menu didn't work either. Seems as though the unit needs to catch up somehow, but I'm not sure how I'm going to swing that.

Odd behaviors.

First make sure that your internet sharing and password and iTunes password and user names are correct on all three and home sharing is turned on with all 3. Go to your laptop and make sure that home sharing is turned on in the iTunes and that home sharing is turned on in the network of your laptop. Go to your network on your laptop and make sure that you see your desktop and laptop in the home sharing. If you can see all of these go to your modem/router and reboot it as well as the laptop. If you can select sleep after to never while you are testing If you still can not get it to work you should try calling apple tv support.
post #5308 of 18976
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Originally Posted by starmoon007 View Post

thanks, i noticed that issue.

Waitting for updating..

I'm wandering if other xx12 models have this issue too? I have a chance to return 2312 and exchange for another model. Should I exchange it or waiting for updating?

Go to page 1 look at the features and then you will have to decide. It sounds like you have bought locally and not on the internet if so go to the Manager and tell him the issues and see if he can give you a discount on another model if you decide to change models.

Adding;

Denon is very good at resolving their issues with firmware updates. It could take till next week, two weeks ....
post #5309 of 18976
Hi I just bought the 3312 and I am upgrading to 7.1 with surround backs. My question is:

1. will the back surrounds only be used with 7.1 or 6.1 content or are they matrix'd from the side surround when using 5.1 content? Can I decide to not use them with 5.1 content?

2. does the receiver do the switching or selecting of the proper decoding based on the blu rays encoded format?

I thought I had a somewhat understanding of home theater but as it turns out.....I don't. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Crab
post #5310 of 18976
Thread Starter 
1. your choice, you can listen to any content (2.0, 5.1, whatever) on all 7 speakers or only play the channels that are in the source. Generally people with traditional 7.1 setups will use PLIIx to simulate rear surrounds.

2. yes
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