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post #5371 of 18957
Quick Audyssey setup question re subwoofer settings. I'm following the excellent instructions by Giomania but I'm seeing two settings on my sub not mentioned (or I'm an idiot and don't see them):

Xover: This is crossover, I assume: What should it be set at? Is this related to the LPF?

My sub also has a level setting (it goes from "min" up to +15dbs and also has a zero setting). Should this be at zero?

Have a day home from the office with no kids around, so it's an optimal time to do a set up (and a rare one at that)
post #5372 of 18957
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Originally Posted by dulany View Post

Quick Audyssey setup question re subwoofer settings. I'm following the excellent instructions by Giomania but I'm seeing two settings on my sub not mentioned (or I'm an idiot and don't see them):

Xover: This is crossover, I assume: What should it be set at? Is this related to the LPF?

My sub also has a level setting (it goes from "min" up to +15dbs and also has a zero setting). Should this be at zero?

Have a day home from the office with no kids around, so it's an optimal time to do a set up (and a rare one at that)

Set the subs crossover as high as it will go, since you are using the AVR for crossover. Using the AVR is the correct way.

Set the sub to 12:00 position. Run auto set up. If the sub level is set very far from zero, then adjust up or down as needed to bring it closer to zero. You will need to run auto set up after each change and then check the level setting in the AVR.
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post #5373 of 18957
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Originally Posted by Jagt Mirage View Post

is the only diff between the 1712 and 2112CI the Ethernet, USB and multi-zone pre-out? don't seem like worth $250 more to me if it's just that.

This is my thought as well. The only thing I am mildly interested in would be the ease of firmware updates through the ethernet connection.

Is there a way to update the firmware on the 1712 easily, and without taking it to a repair shop?
post #5374 of 18957
OK. The Xover has a "bypass" setting as well. I guess I should use that?

When you say "set the sub to the 12:00 position" you meant the level, right? That would be 0db
post #5375 of 18957
I just upgraded from the AVR-2805 to the AVR-1912 and all I can say is wow. The Network features alone make it worth it. I still have lots of tweaking to do but being able to turn on my deck zone and control the amp with my android phone is pretty darn slick. Fun times ahead indeed!!
post #5376 of 18957
OK I just did auto set up for the "main" position and the level setting for sub is -6 DB. Does that sound "right" or do I need to tweak the level on the sub and redo the initial calibration?

I'm trying to get to the point where I can do the full calibration, in six or eight spots.

Also: Is it odd for the auto set up to have the L surround at +1.5DB and the Right surround at -1.5DB? I'd think they'd ideally be set nearly the same?
post #5377 of 18957
Also: The auto set up is setting my right front at -4.0db and right left at +.5DB

Could that indicate that the right is "weak" somehow? blown woofer or tweeter? Would the auto set up set the opposite speaker lower (or the weak speaker higher) to compensate?

While not equidistant from my main seating areas the front and left are pretty darn close to be the exact distance apart from main seating--why the discrepency?
post #5378 of 18957
Thread Starter 
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OK. The Xover has a "bypass" setting as well. I guess I should use that?

correct.

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OK I just did auto set up for the "main" position and the level setting for sub is -6 DB. Does that sound "right" or do I need to tweak the level on the sub and redo the initial calibration?

-6dB is just dandy, the goal is to not be "pushing the extremes" at +/-12dB.

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Also: Is it odd for the auto set up to have the L surround at +1.5DB and the Right surround at -1.5DB? I'd think they'd ideally be set nearly the same?

that's within the range of "normal" depending on the acoustics of your room. Try playing the pink noise test tone (system setup > speaker setup > channel level) and toggle between the two speakers, with your head at the first mic position. Do they sound approximately the same volume with those channel levels?
post #5379 of 18957
Thanks Batpig. I toyed with the sub settings and got it down to -2db when running the set up.

I'm doing the full run through now (all six seating positions).

I am getting a wide variance btw my two fronts.

Also: Where does one go in and "set" the audyssey curves? Or is this automatic?
I'm playing around int the Audyssey and MutliEQ area but all i can do is set it to manual.

Is there a menu option for setting the curves?
post #5380 of 18957
Thread Starter 
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Also: Where does one go in and "set" the audyssey curves? Or is this automatic?

after you complete Audyssey, letting it calculate and save, the EQ curve will automatically be set to "Audyssey" which is the standard reference curve.

you can modify this by going into Audio Adjust > Audyssey Settings and changing it to "Audyssey FLAT" or "Audyssey BYPASS FR/FL". If you change it to "OFF" or "MANUAL" then Audyssey is disabled. This setting is memorized for each input.

if you want to delete the unused options, go to System Setup > Audio Setup > EQ Customize and set unused EQ curves to "Not Used", then they will disappear from the list of options in Audio Adjust.

here is a great explanation of target curves from the CTO of Audyssey: http://ask.audyssey.com/entries/9416...-target-curves
post #5381 of 18957
Got it. Thanks

I've finished the set up and calculated it, stored it, etc.

it's asking if i want dynamic volume "on" Do you guys recommend this? And is something that can be turned on and off w/out altering the MutliEQ settings....or having to re-run the auto set up?
post #5382 of 18957
Hello, all,

Having a hell of a time with a repeating audio problem, and need help determining if its the AVR or the speakers, or the evil gods of audio just hating on me.

I recently got a 2112 and attached the existing speakers, 2 small Motorola who-knows-whats, and all was right with the world. Set up Audessy (sp?), and use the system for Pandora listening, Blu Rays and Samsung TV. About 3 weeks into it, the audio stopped. We were playing them relatively loud, but nothing earth shattering, and the unit seemed to still operate, but one could only hear the tiniest of sounds from the speakers. I brought in other speakers, and these worked fine, with no setting changes. So, assuming the speakers were at issue, I replaced them with Deono ProMonitor 800 satellite speakers. These, recommended by a salesman, sounded fantastic, and were supposedly more than adequate to handle higher volumes from this AVR.

Three weeks later, the same thing happened. Both speakers cut out during higher volume playback. Reset the unit, nothing. Tested with new speakers, and it works fine.

So, am I missing something? Is it bad speakers? User error? Bad match between speakers and unit (and if so, why)? I really need help here, so any advice is welcome and appreciated!
post #5383 of 18957
^^
Loud sound is a subjective term ... how large is your room? .... what volume are you using? ... how far are you seated from the speakers? Those small bookshelf speakers are not designed to be played very loudly.
post #5384 of 18957
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Originally Posted by JohnnyB (E-Work) View Post

This issue was reported 3 months ago and still no fix!
I just purchased 2312 (to replace my 2808) mainly for 3D and overlay OSD, but this "video convert" picture degradation is not acceptable at all forcing me to turn the conversion off hence overlay OSD feature is useless for me

1. I wonder how can be such an obvious flaw overlooked by Denon during development / testing in the first place?
2. how long do we have to wait more? 3 months is a hell of time! One would start thinking it can't be fixed at all...

Very disappointing

I'm very disappointed too. I queried the Denon service at my region get no answer, no dateline to fix it, and even no comfirm that it will be fixed.

I have returned my 2312 and wait.
post #5385 of 18957
^^

When you say cuts out is the avr going into protection mode (red power button flashing every half second) which would mean you either have a short in your speaker wires or a speaker wire is touching another speaker wire that it is not supposed to.
post #5386 of 18957
JD - I believe the volume was between -5 and plus 4 in a 15 x 15 room. Listening area about 12' from speakers. And, at least from what I've been able to discern, the speakers are up to the kind of use I was putting them through. It just seems odd that it happened twice in 2 months.
post #5387 of 18957
Spager - no, the receiver was not in protective mode. It looked as if under normal operation.

All - I misspelled Definitive Technology.
post #5388 of 18957
Well I had my doubts about the 2112, but at http://audioaddiction.com.au/en/pric...ci-sydney.html I got the info I wanted, just to share with you guys, this guys seems to know a lot about the sound systems and they, seems to know a lot about it, they test them and you can ask them what they think of it, a good option to get clear info.
post #5389 of 18957
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Originally Posted by migs_inc View Post

JD - I believe the volume was between -5 and plus 4 in a 15 x 15 room. Listening area about 12' from speakers. And, at least from what I've been able to discern, the speakers are up to the kind of use I was putting them through. It just seems odd that it happened twice in 2 months.

That's likely too loud for that size room. General guidance is to not raise the volume above 0db as you're getting very little increase in volume for a GIGANTIC increase in power required. You really want larger tower speakers for that kind of volume in your sized room. Set the Volume Limit setting to -10db and that should resolve your issue of blowing speakers.
post #5390 of 18957
Thread Starter 
migs-inc -- more importantly are you using a subwoofer? if not it is almost certain that you are overdriving the speakers with a full-range signal they aren't meant to handle and blowing them out.

adding a small subwoofer and crossing over the speakers at 80-100hz could help resolve things.

you have to be realistic about the capabilities of tiny speakers, as well as the amplifiers in your receiver. As JD implies, power demands are exponential.... your speakers/amp might be humming along just fine at -5dB pumping out, say, 20 watts per channel (hypothetically), but cranking the volume another 10dB to +5 requires TEN TIMES the power, so now the receiver would need to deliver 200 watts! It of course can't do this cleanly and when you drive the amp into distortion it greatly increases the power to the speakers.
post #5391 of 18957
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Originally Posted by tonypelicon View Post

Well I had my doubts about the 2112, but at http://audioaddiction.com.au/en/pric...ci-sydney.html I got the info I wanted, just to share with you guys, this guys seems to know a lot about the sound systems and they, seems to know a lot about it, they test them and you can ask them what they think of it, a good option to get clear info.

If your looking for more info on features and the avr that would best suit you check out Bat Pigs and Jd's introduction of the Denon !2 series on page 1 of this forum.
post #5392 of 18957
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Originally Posted by tonypelicon View Post

Well I had my doubts about the 2112, but at http://audioaddiction.com.au/en/pric...ci-sydney.html I got the info I wanted, just to share with you guys, this guys seems to know a lot about the sound systems and they, seems to know a lot about it, they test them and you can ask them what they think of it, a good option to get clear info.


This is a joke, right? This link has no content.
post #5393 of 18957
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

And what is REALLY helpful for HTPC users are the Quick Select modes (don't forget the extra 'hidden' one). You can assign different settings for the same single HDMI input with these.
Life would be a PITA without them for me.

I've been meaning to ask you what hidden QS you were referring to in your post last month. I believe the receiver itself only has the three. On my 3311 they can be accessed either via the remote or via the three QS buttons behind the front panel door.

On the other hand, the web controller has five QS settings, but I have yet to figure out how to use the extra two, and there is no documentation I know of that explains the web controller functions in this detail.

I would be grateful if you or someone else here could educate me.
post #5394 of 18957
Hi all,

New owner of an AVR-1912 here and I have a weird video issue I'm hoping someone can help with.

The issue is with the video signal coming from my cable box. Prior to buying the AVR, I connected the cable box and the TV with an HDMI cable and left the TV (Samsung LN-T4671F) in JustScan mode (shows whatever signal it gets, without resizing). Picture looked great.

Last night, I hooked up the cable box to the AVR with an HDMI and then hooked the AVR to the TV with another HDMI cable. Since doing that, the picture on the TV when watching cable looks terrible.

The best way to describe it is that the picture looks "zoomed in." More specifically, it is stretched horizontally. For example, on ESPN, the left and right parts of the bottom ticker are stretched off the screen. Right now the left part of the screen is supposed to read "Top 25", but instead reads "25". On the right part, "ESPN" reads "ESP". The rest of the picture is simalrly stretched, and the picture looks terrible as a result.

It only appears to be happening with the cable box. The picture from the Blu Ray player and the Apple TV2 look fine. Super sharp. No issues.

I'm guessing I have something set wrong on the AVR. Can anyone help shed some light on what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks!

On Edit: Just noticed that the problem is also happening with the AVR on standby and the signal being passed through... I'm now thinking it might be my cable box. The AVR shouldn't be changing the HDMI signal at all in standby pass through, should it? If not, then is has to be my cable box, right? Weird timing for that to happen if so. I'm goign to try to connect directly from the cable box to the tV aand see what it looks like... time to eliminate some variables!

EDIT x 2: Disregard everything above. It was my box, not the AVR. Something must have gotten screwed up when i was reinstalling everything. Pulling the power form the box and letting everything reset fixed the issue. Back to looking good again. Should have done that from the start instead of automatically assuming it was the new AVR. Just took some troblehsooting skills and me remembering this whole house DVR system is finnicky as hell.
post #5395 of 18957
On my 3312, what is HDMI control? the option is either off or on......what do I want?

Another strange question if anyone can help, I have a powered HDMI splitter (Atlona) so I can run my satellite receiver on both my projector and a Samsung 55" TV. When I shut the receiver off (a Yamaha HTR6240) on the 55" Samsung I loose the signal to my projector which is being run by the 3312. I have to keep the Yamaha on to watch TV on my projector (3312). My setup is: Bell receiver to HDMI splitter output one to my projector (3312) and output two to my Samsung (HTR 6240). I find it strange that I have to keep the Yamaha on, and yes I've tried swapping output one for two. I can have the 3312 off and I am still able to watch on the Samsung (HTR 6240) but not the other way around.....any Ideas????
post #5396 of 18957
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Originally Posted by reid-man View Post

This is a joke, right? This link has no content.

The link worked just fine for me.
post #5397 of 18957
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Originally Posted by Crabalocker View Post

On my 3312, what is HDMI control? the option is either off or on......what do I want?

Another strange question if anyone can help, I have a powered HDMI splitter (Atlona) so I can run my satellite receiver on both my projector and a Samsung 55" TV. When I shut the receiver off (a Yamaha HTR6240) on the 55" Samsung I loose the signal to my projector which is being run by the 3312. I have to keep the Yamaha on to watch TV on my projector (3312). My setup is: Bell receiver to HDMI splitter output one to my projector (3312) and output two to my Samsung (HTR 6240). I find it strange that I have to keep the Yamaha on, and yes I've tried swapping output one for two. I can have the 3312 off and I am still able to watch on the Samsung (HTR 6240) but not the other way around.....any Ideas????

HDMI Control (ie. HDMI-CEC) allows multiple devices connected with HDMI cables to be controlled by a single remote. It also allows you to pass HDMI audio/video through the AVR to the TV while the AVR is in Standby mode (ie. you don't want to use the surround speakers, rather the TV speakers ... news, sports, kids shows, etc.).

HDMI can be tricky as the entire chain of devices is involved ... try doing an HDMI reset ... with the PJ (3312) both OFF and the Sammy(Yammy) both ON, disconnect all HDMI cables connecting them and the Bell ... power all off .. reconnect HDMI cables and power all back on again ... PJ first, then 3312, then Bell. Do the same for the PJ(3312) both ON and the Sammy both OFF.
post #5398 of 18957
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Originally Posted by JohnnyB (E-Work) View Post

This issue was reported 3 months ago and still no fix!
I just purchased 2312 (to replace my 2808) mainly for 3D and overlay OSD, but this "video convert" picture degradation is not acceptable at all forcing me to turn the conversion off hence overlay OSD feature is useless for me

1. I wonder how can be such an obvious flaw overlooked by Denon during development / testing in the first place?
2. how long do we have to wait more? 3 months is a hell of time! One would start thinking it can't be fixed at all...

Very disappointing

Is this specific to 2312 only or to the whole XX12 line? I am specifically interested in 3312
post #5399 of 18957
2312CI only.
post #5400 of 18957
Hello ! Im sorry, I commited a mistake on the link I posted before... If u want to get all the info about this Denon products you can check it out at http://audiosolutions.net.au/sydney-...1ci-forum.html, there is an example of the Denon avr4311ci, I loved this one, and these guys are experts and they always answer to any question.
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