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post #5911 of 18969
First post of my career!

First off thanks to Batpig for the emails to get me going! New to all of this.

Cheers back to you!

Here is my problem.

Denon 1912 going to an Epson Projector.
Direct TV unit connected to Sat/Cbl and running well
PS3 connected to Aux Vid on analog runs well but no HD

Ps3 connected to Denon with HDMI out comes the video cutting in and out. About every two seconds. HDMI is connected to the BD on the Denon

1. Have reset everything
2. changed HDMI cords
3. Learned what a "handshake" was in the electronic world.
4. I am down to thinking it is this. Tried the power up sequence no luck
5. Swapped HDMI inputs on the Denon. No luck but did work better on BD than game one. Game one input would not let me set input mode to auto.

Now I read I may need a switch that may or not work. Projector is on a 20 plus foot run from the denon through the ceiling so running a cable from the Direct TV box directly to the projector is a bit on an issue but that takes it out of the Denon expect for audio back in through optical if I went that route.

Just seems a bit wierd that I only have two things. Sat box and Ps3 and something is confused.

Been at it three days. I see that I am not the first one for this. Any suggestions? argh!

Cheers to the answer person!!
post #5912 of 18969
Thread Starter 
^^^ @ runner2k -- the Energy Connoisseurs would be a great choice if you like the sound of the B&W, go over to a Future Shop and have a listen to them.
post #5913 of 18969
@runner...

there you go... get off your can and go have a listen to them...
post #5914 of 18969
Quote:
Originally Posted by nodk4u View Post

Ps3 connected to Denon with HDMI out comes the video cutting in and out. About every two seconds. HDMI is connected to the BD on the Denon

Try powering up in this sequence .. TV, wait a few sec, AVR, wait a few sec, then PS3. If still joy, try the HDMI reset procedure discussed in post #3 para 12(g) HDMI Handshake on page 1 of this thread. If it works without issue with the PS3 set to 720p then you may need an HDMI extender as HDMI connections beyond 20' can sometimes be iffy without one.
post #5915 of 18969
Thanks for the quick response. I have tried both of those. I will attempt them again tonight.
post #5916 of 18969
Quote:
Originally Posted by batpig View Post

^^^ @ runner2k -- the Energy Connoisseurs would be a great choice if you like the sound of the B&W, go over to a Future Shop and have a listen to them.

Sure! I will make sure to do that!
post #5917 of 18969
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Try powering up in this sequence .. TV, wait a few sec, AVR, wait a few sec, then PS3. If still joy, try the HDMI reset procedure discussed in post #3 para 12(g) HDMI Handshake on page 1 of this thread. If it works without issue with the PS3 set to 720p then you may need an HDMI extender as HDMI connections beyond 20' can sometimes be iffy without one.

A crap cable with an EQ on it is still a crap cable with capacitance problems on the low speed data channel which is what is causing his trouble right now. We regularly use 33 foot cables with no EQ on them and they work just fine.

OP, when the signal is dropping out every 2 seconds are you losing audio also?

Try this procedure:

1) Turn on the AVR first to open the HDCP gateway.
2) Turn on the projector. Do you see the Denon wallpaper without dropout?
3) Turn on the PS3.

Can you get the PS3's boot screen and XMB to appear on the projector? Can you put in a CD and play music? Does the signal drop out during these times?

4) Play a movie and wait for the signal to start dropping out. Does the audio stop when this happens? If the audio is dropping out, pull the monitor out HDMI cable out of the back of the AVR. Does the signal stabilize and the audio keep playing normally?

Please report back your results.

Thanks
post #5918 of 18969
Normally when I watch BDs my 1912 shows HD + PLIIz. Watched cars 2 with the kids and it shows DTS-HD MA. I checked and front height is on. Is it cause it's DTS and not Dolby? Is it actually playing 7.1?
post #5919 of 18969
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Originally Posted by runner2k View Post

lol!!

Thanks guys,

I just asked Mahesh about their Jamo towers.

I was thinking of buying the Klipsch RF 62 (pair) + Subwoofer. Then, I realized that I don't have enough room for that! lol

I'm only heading to the RF-82 because they have 8" woofer instead of 6,5". Of course I will never get the felling of having a subwoofer by buying the RF82(15-30hz frequency, low, bass feeling..). Still will be better than the RF 62.

Any ideas?

I wanted to do something really simple and I want to avoid upgrades. I guess I need to rear both configuration at the store:

1) Denon 1612 + RF82.
2) Denon 1612 + RF62 + Subwoofer.

Hi Runner..

As I said before in my earlier post, I would definitely listen to the veterans out here when it comes to technical suggestions. I am pretty much new to all of this myself. So I could be wrong about some technical details.

However, all said and done.. no review is better than auditioning the speakers and avr in question in person. I auditioned both brands at my dealers place. My dealer had told me that the Klipsch are more efficient than Jamos and will be easier to drive. The only reason I went for Jamo is that I found Klipsch too harsh & Jamo a bit softer bringing out the details in vocal and acoustic music better.
post #5920 of 18969
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnc847 View Post

Normally when I watch BDs my 1912 shows HD + PLIIz. Watched cars 2 with the kids and it shows DTS-HD MA. I checked and front height is on. Is it cause it's DTS and not Dolby? Is it actually playing 7.1?

Could be a glitch in that the audio track is actually 7.1; however, as the front heights are playing ... you're getting 7.1.
post #5921 of 18969
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Originally Posted by zhao7931de9 View Post

I'm also holding out until the multEQ XT models start shipping. I have an AppleTV for networking and a house full of iPads and iPhones, so I'll probably end up a 1712. I've been watching for deals on the 3311 since it's an outgoing model, but the price isn't really moving. Ah, the waiting game.

Note that as the 1712 is not a networking model, you won't be able to control it using your ipads or iphones. You may want to consider upgrading to the 2112CI for that benefit. Also, where are you located that the XT models haven't started shipping yet?
post #5922 of 18969
Here is where I stood last night.

1. Still had the sparkles and video drop out on the ps3 menu screens.
2. performed the HDMI reset and still no joy
3. Just for grins played a Blue Ray disc. All worked perfect.
4. Went back to the ps3 menu screen after the movie and all the video drops outs are back again. Tough to navigate the screen with the one and off drop outs.
4. Removed the 1080p and 1080i selections on the Video out on the ps3.
5. All worked perfect from that point on.

I have a large external harddrive that I play movies through. Most are not 1080p so not a big deal I guess.

My question: Why does this occur? I have a 20 foot HDMI cord between the Denon 1912 and the Epson projector. There was a suggestion I get an HDMI Extender. I see that may add some "power" to the HDMI run.

Not understanding why the blue ray movie would work with the ps3 set to all video resolutions including 1080p and 1080i. But when I go back off the movie and go to the ps3 menu screen it works perfect if I uncheck the 1080p and 1080i in the ps3 video menu? Is this still a video extender possibility?

As a side note: during the video drops on the ps3 many times a note on the screen lower left corner pops up. It says HDMI 1 Unsupported. h----hz v------hz Not sure what HDMI 1 is. I would get this message if the ps3 was connected to the game 1 input or the BD input on the Denon. So it can not mean HDMI 1 on the Denon since several times nothing was plugged in there.

Should I just be happy and move on and leave the 1080p and 1080i off or is there another choice. Learned alot in the process.

Thanks to all

post #5923 of 18969
^^
Have you tried replacing the HDMI cable to the PJ? Purchase one from forum sponsor Monoprice as there have been some owner's that have gotten even their 50' cables to work without an extender.
post #5924 of 18969
I have not tried replacing the 25 foot cable from the AVR to the Projector. I did get the current one from Monoprice a couple of weeks ago. It is located in a ceiling right now going to the projector.

Two hour project to get it there. Not a big fan of having to repeat that. but may have to.

Right now it is just a 1080p problem on the ps3. Cable/Sat on HD all work great when I go over there.
post #5925 of 18969
^^
The "sparkles" generally points to a defective cable, while lack of 1080p points to a weak signal. Have Monoprice ship you another cable and confirm that it's "High Speed" and not a "Standard" cable. Should be much easier replacing the current cable as you should just have to connect the ends and pull it through I would imagine.
post #5926 of 18969
Thanks!

The cable is a high speed cable (v1.4) I am told. Would be kind of wierd to have a bad cable when I can get it to play for hours on Blue Ray disc since digital cable seems to be all or nothing.

Then the video drops out go away on when I take off the 1080i and 1080p on the ps3 unit. Plus if I needed an extender, I would think if I am following correct, that the when playing the Blue Ray on full resolution I would not get the problem unless the blue ray was playing in a lower res.

Direct TV on HD and HDMI is running with no problems no matter what the ps3 does. It is connected to AVR and running out the same 25 foot HDMI to the projector as the ps3 is from a different Denon HDMI out.

A mystery to me. As always thanks for the assistance!
post #5927 of 18969
I'm back again!

I was checking the Denon AVR 1612 and 2112CI but couldn't decide if the 1612 will be good enough for my set.

Well, I will end up buying two towers - B&W 648 or Focal Chorus 716V or Polk Audio RTiA7.

I will buy a subwoofer in the future so I would have a 2.1 system.

For my needs the 1612 suits me just fine(I believe) but I was thinking to buy the Denon 2112 or maybe an Amplifier instead of receiver...

I was looking at the Emotiva Audio XPA-3 and it seems to be really good. Many good review. The only problem is that I would have to go to US of Ship it from there... Just by buying the XPA-3 I would have to buy a processor as well (UMC-1).
http://emotiva.com/xpa3.shtm

What should I do?
post #5928 of 18969
^^^

you should buy an avr...

if you buy an amplifier, you will still need a pre...

keep things simple... don't overcomplicate...
post #5929 of 18969
I ran into an issue this morning with my 1912. In the past, I have been able to turn the receiver on and stream music from my iPhone with Bluetooth no problem. This morning when I sat down to do some paperwork, I turned the receiver on, sorted through the iPhone for a song I wanted to listen to, and the Airplay logo on the iPhone disappeared after just a couple of seconds. Bluetooth is still enabled on the phone. I can't figure out how to get the thing to stream music for the life of me now.

Pandora still works fine, and if I plug the iPhone into the USB port on the front, it works fine as well.

I have tried rebooting both devices to no avail.
post #5930 of 18969
^^
Did you try the suggestions in post #3, para 12(a) on page 1 of this thread?
post #5931 of 18969
Ok. No go for amplifiers and pre, etc..

What would you pick between a Denon AVR 1612 or 2112?
Once again, Speakers: A pair of B&W 648 or Focal Chorus 716V or Polk Audio RTiA7.

I know that AVR 2112 is better and has network connectivity, Ipod, etc.. also I could bi-amp the speakers with the spare channel, correct?


Thanks!!
post #5932 of 18969
^^^

1) whichever one jd suggested to you, that's what i'd get... the network connectivity is a big plus, imo... i can't keep track of which ones have which flavor of audyssey, buti'd shoot for the best version of that in your price range...

2) whichever ones YOU like the sound of best... that, i can't tell you... speakers are where "subjectivity" in audio comes in...

3) passively bi-amping (which is what an avr equipped for "bi-amping" does) is worthless, so that should not be a factor in your decision...
post #5933 of 18969
Thread Starter 
all the differences are outlined in the first posts of this thread.

if all you need is a "basic" 5.1 receiver and you don't care about networking, the 1612 will do just fine, but my "official batpig recommendation" is to get the 1712 instead as it has more power and MultEQ XT. The major difference between 1712 and 2112 is the network stuff plus the extra year of warranty.

bi-amping from the receiver is borderline useless.

the question is will YOU actually USE the network stuff? If not, then getting a 1612 or 1712 makes sense.
post #5934 of 18969
Ok, Now the 1712 and the 2112 are the ones.. lol!


Can you give me a reason why the network connection makes your life easier?

The 2112 has wired or wireless network? I've read its optional...

I'm asking because the 2112 is $300 more expensive than the 1712 for example.

I want to avoid all the drama and regret... lol!
post #5935 of 18969
Thread Starter 
none of these models have wireless, you would need some other external solution to provide WiFi connectivity.

the networking provides the following benefits:

- ability to update firmware via the internet
- web control (you can control the receiver from any networked computer or "smart" device like iPad, iPhone, Android phone, etc)
- internet radio, Pandora, and other music streaming services
- the ability to play music from a networked PC via DLNA
- if you are in the "apple universe", you can stream music wirelessly from an iPad, iPhone, or networked PC using Airplay

the last three functions can easily be replaced (often with a BETTER interface and performance) with an external device like a networked Blu-ray player, PS3, apple TV, etc.

to me, the "killer app" of the network connection is the web control. Being able to change inputs, volume, modify settings, etc. from your laptop or iPad is pretty sweet.
post #5936 of 18969
Is airplay like a Bluetooth?
post #5937 of 18969
Yeah... $399(1712) to $699(2112) is too much I think. Almost double of the price to get the "network" thing.
post #5938 of 18969
Quote:
Originally Posted by runner2k View Post

Yeah... $399(1712) to $699(2112) is too much I think. Almost double of the price to get the "network" thing.

Call the AV Science store, sister company of AVS forum. The price difference will be significantly less. Very significant!
877-823-4452.
post #5939 of 18969
I live in Canada!
post #5940 of 18969
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gizmo83 View Post

I ran into an issue this morning with my 1912. In the past, I have been able to turn the receiver on and stream music from my iPhone with Bluetooth no problem. This morning when I sat down to do some paperwork, I turned the receiver on, sorted through the iPhone for a song I wanted to listen to, and the Airplay logo on the iPhone disappeared after just a couple of seconds. Bluetooth is still enabled on the phone. I can't figure out how to get the thing to stream music for the life of me now.

Pandora still works fine, and if I plug the iPhone into the USB port on the front, it works fine as well.

I have tried rebooting both devices to no avail.

If you recently upgraded to IOS 5 mmake sure homesharing is turned on in ITUNES.
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