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post #8131 of 18957
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JDSmoothie tracks all firmware updates, including most likely, your most recent one, for xx12 models in the Change Log on post #6 of this thread. Sometimes it may take a day or two to get out there, but more often than not he's logged it before I've encountered it.

Thanks JDS!
post #8132 of 18957
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Originally Posted by jakeroux View Post

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JDSmoothie tracks all firmware updates, including most likely, your most recent one, for xx12 models in the Change Log on post #6 of this thread. Sometimes it may take a day or two to get out there, but more often than not he's logged it before I've encountered it.

Thanks JDS!

That said (and indeed, thanks JD for all your hard work!), he has said than Denon no longer releases change logs with their firmware updates. So I'm a little curious how he gets those updates posted.

Personally, I have had zero problems with both my 2112 and 3312, so I'm about ready to turn off automatic update checking. I've read too many stories in this thread about receivers having issues after installing updates, so unless I stumble across an actual problem that I feel needs fixing, I think I'm going to become a part of the "if it ain't broke don't fix it!" camp.
post #8133 of 18957
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Originally Posted by Kalani View Post


That said (and indeed, thanks JD for all your hard work!), he has said than Denon no longer releases change logs with their firmware updates. So I'm a little curious how he gets those updates posted.

Personally, I have had zero problems with both my 2112 and 3312, so I'm about ready to turn off automatic update checking. I've read too many stories in this thread about receivers having issues after installing updates, so unless I stumble across an actual problem that I feel needs fixing, I think I'm going to become a part of the "if it ain't broke don't fix it!" camp.

I, too, have not one issue since I bought by 2112. I didn't really think about the issues after update. I just got done playing Xbox and I swear, this frickin receiver is unbelievable. I can hear players running behind me. I thought with my old setup that my speaker were screwed up, after getting the denon, it woke everything up. Denon fan forever!!
post #8134 of 18957
I'm considering purchasing a refurbished 1712 and have some questions regarding possible issues with my Uverse STB.

I saw that some folks have audio dropouts. The FAQ indicates that disabling dynamic volume should resolve the issue, but indicates that I should run optical to the AVR for audio and HDMI to the TV for video if problems persist.

My display has only one HDMI input, so I can't do that.

To complicate things, I'm currently running the the Uverse STB through a Sony NSZ-GT1 Google TV/Blu-Ray player via a single HDMI cable into a Sony AVR and it's working fine for both audio and video. Is it safe to assume that this setup should work with the Denon as well? I'm hoping that if the Uverse STB can handshake OK with the NSZ-GT1, it won't matter what's downstream in the HDMI chain.

Thanks any replies and for all the great info in this thread.
post #8135 of 18957
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

You have to ask Logitech customer support to download the "batpigworld" file by email, although recent posts are indicating having some issues with getting Logitech to do it for free (which AFAIK has always been the case in the past when going by email).

Not sure why they got rid of that Dyn EQ/Vol button, although likely because for the majority it's a one time set and forget setting and they needed the space.

Well, I shot an email off and will see what they say. I am embarrased to say this, but the instruction were listed plain as day on the top of the spreadsheet, I scrolled down to fast reading the different commands...guess I was getting excited.
post #8136 of 18957
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Originally Posted by Kalani View Post

That said (and indeed, thanks JD for all your hard work!), he has said than Denon no longer releases change logs with their firmware updates. So I'm a little curious how he gets those updates posted.

What I said, was that Denon no longer "publishes" the changelogs on their website (although I'm told they will begin again sometime later this year). I am able to get them from a Denon source however and then publish them in this thread post #6.
post #8137 of 18957
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Originally Posted by sankaty View Post

I'm considering purchasing a refurbished 1712 and have some questions regarding possible issues with my Uverse STB.

I saw that some folks have audio dropouts. The FAQ indicates that disabling dynamic volume should resolve the issue, but indicates that I should run optical to the AVR for audio and HDMI to the TV for video if problems persist.

My display has only one HDMI input, so I can't do that.

To complicate things, I'm currently running the the Uverse STB through a Sony NSZ-GT1 Google TV/Blu-Ray player via a single HDMI cable into a Sony AVR and it's working fine for both audio and video. Is it safe to assume that this setup should work with the Denon as well? I'm hoping that if the Uverse STB can handshake OK with the NSZ-GT1, it won't matter what's downstream in the HDMI chain.

Thanks any replies and for all the great info in this thread.

Sorry, but no, it's not safe to assume that it will work without issue with the Denon. However, if there is an issue, it can be easily resolved by using an HDMI switch.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
post #8138 of 18957
Hi guys, I'm about a week into my 3312, and I can't work out two issues I'm having.
I have a samsung LCD in HDMI output 1, and my Optoma PJ in output 2. I have a express-vu DVR and a PS3 in inputs 3 and 4 respectivly.
1. I have stand by source on DVR to pass through that signal for stand alone TV viewing, monitor output set to dual, and monitor control set to 1. When I turn on the TV with AVR, the cable signal is there for two seconds, than I get no signal, and have to turn on the AVR switch to DVR input, and shut off AVR.
2. If the TV is not on, the PJ gets no signal, while in dual monitor output, and I have to switch to monitor 2 in the menu, and remember to switch back to dual before bed, or the family will have no idea how to watch TV.

I've read the manual, messed with hdmi control, hdmi power, and read at least 40 pages of this thread, but with no luck.
Thanks in advance.
post #8139 of 18957
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Sorry, but no, it's not safe to assume that it will work without issue with the Denon. However, if there is an issue, it can be easily resolved by using an HDMI switch.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Thanks for the response. I considered an HDMI switch, but much of GoogleTV's functionality is dependent on overlaying it's signal on that from the STB, so I don't want to go directly from the STB to the display. Also, if I run HDMI from the GoogleTV/Blu-ray box to the display, I lose HD audio capabilty for Blu-ray movies. So, unless I can go via HDMI from STB > Sony NSZ-GT1 > 1712, some functionality will be significantly compromised.

I realize that this may be impossible to answer, but does anyone have a sense of whether my target setup is likley to work, unlikely to work, or a flip of the coin?

Thanks again.
post #8140 of 18957
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Then connect a 1:2 HDMI splitter from the STB to the 2:1 HDMI switch .....

STB ---> Splitter ---> Switch ----> TV

---> Google TV/BDP ---> AVR ----> Switch

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
post #8141 of 18957
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Originally Posted by katokat View Post

Hi guys, I'm about a week into my 3312, and I can't work out two issues I'm having.
I have a samsung LCD in HDMI output 1, and my Optoma PJ in output 2. I have a express-vu DVR and a PS3 in inputs 3 and 4 respectivly.
1. I have stand by source on DVR to pass through that signal for stand alone TV viewing, monitor output set to dual, and monitor control set to 1. When I turn on the TV with AVR, the cable signal is there for two seconds, than I get no signal, and have to turn on the AVR switch to DVR input, and shut off AVR.
2. If the TV is not on, the PJ gets no signal, while in dual monitor output, and I have to switch to monitor 2 in the menu, and remember to switch back to dual before bed, or the family will have no idea how to watch TV.

I've read the manual, messed with hdmi control, hdmi power, and read at least 40 pages of this thread, but with no luck.
Thanks in advance.

1. First try doing an HDMI reset (ie. while all devices powered ON, unplug the HDMI cables, then power all devices OFF, unplug for a few minutes, plug the HDMI cables back in, plug all devices back in and power back on TV, AVR, DVR, waiting a few seconds between each device to allow it to fully power on before powering on the next device. Power off all devices, then power on just the TV and then DVR. Also try setting Anynet+ to OFF.

2. See if the HDMI reset resolves this issue ... if not be sure to power on the PJ and TV before powering on the AVR. Also as noted on p. 108, not all display devices will work with the "DUAL" setting.
post #8142 of 18957
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Originally Posted by adgrimes View Post

Well, I shot an email off and will see what they say. I am embarrased to say this, but the instruction were listed plain as day on the top of the spreadsheet, I scrolled down to fast reading the different commands...guess I was getting excited.

Let me know how it goes. I'm about to be in the same boat.
post #8143 of 18957
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

1. First try doing an HDMI reset (ie. while all devices powered ON, unplug the HDMI cables, then power all devices OFF, unplug for a few minutes, plug the HDMI cables back in, plug all devices back in and power back on TV, AVR, DVR, waiting a few seconds between each device to allow it to fully power on before powering on the next device. Power off all devices, then power on just the TV and then DVR. Also try setting Anynet+ to OFF.

2. See if the HDMI reset resolves this issue ... if not be sure to power on the PJ and TV before powering on the AVR. Also as noted on p. 108, not all display devices will work with the "DUAL" setting.

Thanks JD I"ll try that.
post #8144 of 18957
Hello all......

I'm looking to purchase the AVR2312CI and I have a bunch of n00b questions that I hope I can get answered here.... THX in advance

1#. How does this model compare to other brands models in the same price point?(would you recommended another brand/model over this)

2#. I will be using a 6.1 speaker setup...can I use DTS HD,DD HD with a 6.1 setup instead of 7.1? Are 6.1 setups available with those codecs?

3#. It says its 105 watt per channel but...What is the RMS?

4#. Does it have wifi support? Can you stream music..either live internet or music files from your home pc/laptop?

5#. Could I hook up wireless speakers to this receiver and if so is there a way/adapter to make my NON wireless speakers wireless?

6#. I see Ipod/pad/phone support..Is there also android or win 7 mobile support?
post #8145 of 18957
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1. Yup ... comparable with other Audyssey MultEQ XT AVRs.
2. Yup.
3. Denon AVRs can generally do about 75% of marketed rating into 5CH, slightly less into 6CH (likely 75W).
4. Yup, if AVR is connected to WiFi router either by cable or via wireless bridge.
5. Yup. There are 3rd party wireless speaker kits available (eg. Rocketfish)
6. Yup. Android apps: AVR-Remote, Sirius/XM, Pandora, iRule, etc.
post #8146 of 18957
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Originally Posted by ReSultZ View Post

Hello all......

I'm looking to purchase the AVR2312CI and I have a bunch of n00b questions that I hope I can get answered here.... THX in advance

1#. How does this model compare to other brands models in the same price point?(would you recommended another brand/model over this)

2#. I will be using a 6.1 speaker setup...can I use DTS HD,DD HD with a 6.1 setup instead of 7.1? Are 6.1 setups available with those codecs?

3#. It says its 105 watt per channel but...What is the RMS?

4#. Does it have wifi support? Can you stream music..either live internet or music files from your home pc/laptop?

5#. Could I hook up wireless speakers to this receiver and if so is there a way/adapter to make my NON wireless speakers wireless?

6#. I see Ipod/pad/phone support..Is there also android or win 7 mobile support?

Answers:

1. About the same as any other at this price point. If you get into the minutia of Audyssey v. MCACC v. YPAO v. whatever, don't forget this is still a mid-fi product and it comes down to what's your favorite color when it comes to print on the box.

2. Just use 5.1. Nothing lost/gained by trying to mix a 7.1 > 6.1. DSX and DD-EX just lets the retailer sell you more speakers at 50 points margin. True story.

3. 105w into 6 ohms is the RMS power rating.

4. No. Yes.

5. Yes. This from KEF does it exceptionally well: Here.

6. The iDevice support is the official D&M Holdings Denon remote control app.
post #8147 of 18957
Hi!

I just bought a subwoofer (JBL ES150) and hooked it up to my Denon AVR-1912 via PRE-OUT. My speakers are set to "small" in the reciever. Does anyone have this speaker/sub combination? Does it sound good? If it does, please tell me your settings... cause it doesn't sound good when I do it!

I have tried to move the bass around, putting a thick carpet under it but nothing works. Hardly any bass at all, and when I try to crank it up (using the knob on the bass), it almost sounds like the membrane is "rattling". Sure, there is SOME bass, but when I hooked this up to a kenwood reciever (for "micro-systems") it sounded great; I could really FEEL the bass! No rattling, and the entire room was shaking!

This leads me to the conclusion that I might have set things up the wrong way... so again: Does anyone have this speaker/sub combination? I would LOVE to try your settings!
post #8148 of 18957
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Originally Posted by onlyclave View Post

Answers:

1. About the same as any other at this price point. If you get into the minutia of Audyssey v. MCACC v. YPAO v. whatever, don't forget this is still a mid-fi product and it comes down to what's your favorite color when it comes to print on the box.

Not entirely true.

Audyssey MultiEQ XT is the only one of the three that will EQ the sub as well, which is important, even at the "mid-fi" level. (IMO, and that of quite a few others)

And the VAST majority of feedback I have read has put Audyssey and MCACC head and shoulders above YPAO. But MCACC doesn't EQ the sub, in it's current iteration, which many feel is extremely important.

As a result, among current models from major vendors, I would narrow the field down to those that offer Audyssey. If you're a huge Pioneer Elite fan, MCACC is quite good, with the exception of the sub EQ thing.

In this range, the only options that offer Audyssey come from Denon and Onkyo, so those are the only two that pass my personal muster. Onkyo generally offers a significantly beefier amp section, but I preferred the featureset of the Denon units. And the power offered by the Denons has been more than adequate to run my speakers (which are fairly efficient, admittedly). Depending on the poster's needs, the Onkyo might be a better fit for them.

Of course, this being a Denon OWNER's thread...
post #8149 of 18957
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Originally Posted by Kalani View Post

Not entirely true.

Audyssey MultiEQ XT32 is the only one of the three that will EQ the sub as well, which is important, even at the "mid-fi" level. (IMO, and that of quite a few others)

And the VAST majority of feedback I have read has put Audyssey and MCACC head and shoulders above YPAO. But MCACC doesn't EQ the sub, in it's current iteration, which many feel is extremely important.

As a result, among current models from major vendors, I would narrow the field down to those that offer Audyssey. If you're a huge Pioneer Elite fan, MCACC is quite good, with the exception of the sub EQ thing.

In this range, the only options that offer Audyssey come from Denon and Onkyo, so those are the only two that pass my personal muster. Onkyo generally offers a significantly beefier amp section, but I preferred the featureset of the Denon units. And the power offered by the Denons has been more than adequate to run my speakers (which are fairly efficient, admittedly). Depending on the poster's needs, the Onkyo might be a better fit for them.

Of course, this being a Denon OWNER's thread...

IIRC MultEQ XT will eq a sub, and XT32 will eq 2 subs. I think XT32 also has more resolution than XT. (I'm sure someone will chime in if I'm wrong). In any event, I agree that sub EQ is important.
post #8150 of 18957
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Originally Posted by Kalani View Post

Not entirely true.

Audyssey MultiEQ XT32 is the only one of the three that will EQ the sub as well, which is important, even at the "mid-fi" level. (IMO, and that of quite a few others)

All versions of Audyssey, except 2EQ, can EQ the sub with an increased number of sub filters used going from either MultEQ or XT to XT32. The additional benefit with XT32 is that it can EQ dual subs.
post #8151 of 18957
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Originally Posted by w1ngd3 View Post

Hi!

I just bought a subwoofer (JBL ES150) and hooked it up to my Denon AVR-1912 via PRE-OUT. My speakers are set to "small" in the reciever. Does anyone have this speaker/sub combination? Does it sound good? If it does, please tell me your settings... cause it doesn't sound good when I do it!

Simply follow the sub settings listed in your Owner's manual (p. 14) or better yet review the Audyssey Setup Guide in my sig to ensure the sub is properly set prior to running AUTO SETUP.
post #8152 of 18957
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Originally Posted by onlyclave View Post

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3. 105w into 6 ohms is the RMS power rating.

it is actually rated at 105W RMS into 8 ohms and 135W into 6 Ohms, not that it will make a different.
post #8153 of 18957
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Originally Posted by jjackkrash View Post

IIRC MultEQ XT will eq a sub, and XT32 will eq 2 subs. I think XT32 also has more resolution than XT. (I'm sure someone will chime in if I'm wrong). In any event, I agree that sub EQ is important.

My bad, that was a typo, I meant to type MultiEQ XT, not MultiEQ XT32.

But yes, that is the distinction.

Typo fixed in my OP.
post #8154 of 18957
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

All versions of Audyssey, except 2EQ, can EQ the sub with an increased number of sub filters used going from either MultEQ or XT to XT32. The additional benefit with XT32 is that it can EQ dual subs.

Right. Sorry, XT32 was a typo, I meant MultiEQ XT.

Otherwise, the point stands that Denon and Onkyo offer Audyssey, which I believe (as do many others) is superior to YPAO and MCACC, in part because it does EQ a sub (or two, in the case of XT32) while the other two do not.
post #8155 of 18957
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Again, not correct .... MultEQ, XT and XT32 all EQ the sub as well the YPAO version used in the higher Aventage Yamaha models. Also note that Marantz AVRs also use Audyssey.
post #8156 of 18957
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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Again, not correct .... MultEQ, XT and XT32 all EQ the sub as well the YPAO version used in the higher Aventage Yamaha models. Also note that Marantz AVRs also use Audyssey.

Whatever it's called, they all significantly distort the signal.
post #8157 of 18957
Thread Starter 
what do you mean? Are you saying that Audyssey (or any room correction) makes it sound WORSE?
post #8158 of 18957
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

what do you mean? Are you saying that Audyssey (or any room correction) makes it sound WORSE?

I think "significantly distort" in this context means "work miracles in tough rooms with less than perfect audio equipment and placement options." At least that's my experience with XT32.
post #8159 of 18957
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Simply follow the sub settings listed in your Owner's manual (p. 14) or better yet review the Audyssey Setup Guide in my sig to ensure the sub is properly set prior to running AUTO SETUP.

Well, from what I've read I don't have "Direct mode" on my SW and have followed the owners manual accordingly. But I will definitely follow the Audyssey Setup Guide and see if that works, thank you!
post #8160 of 18957
^^^ Hi w1ngd3, is this sub wireless? If so have you try connecting with sub cable?
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