The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX12 Model Owner's Thread - Page 306

Hey guys I have a question I bought the denon 1712 I'm planing to do a 5.1 in the main room and planing to put 2 speakers on zone 2. My question is if I put music on my zone 2 will the amp of the receiver have enough power for the speakers to work. The zone 2 is mostly for the wife when she's cooking and for light listening. Or do I have to get a extra amp to push does speakers.

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The 1712 is capable of driving 2 additional speakers in Zone 2 keeping in mind the connected source must be "analog" only so if you have an HDMI cable from the source to the 1712, you'll also need to add a RCA analog red/white cable as well from the source to the 1712.

Ok thanks for the quick reply

I've been a Denon person for 10+ years and have been completely happy with my choices. I've just sold my Denon 2809CI and have considered upgrade to 3312ci (mostly for HDMI 1.4, networking is also appealing). I have done several searches through this thread and elsewhere (I trust and respect avsforum over all other sources) and have seen a good bit of negative feedback on the 3312, but not a lot here. Crutchfield for example rates this as middle of the road with lots of bugs.

What is the sentiment here, and are there alternatives - Onkyo, Marantz, etc. - that might be recommended?

Thanks in advance.

Is their a power up/down sequence I should be doing on my 2112CI? For some reason if I turn off say my PS3 with the Denon on it throws my Direct TV into some sort of a loop. Meaning when I change the channel it "searches for signal" each time I change the channel. Once it begins the signal search thing, it does it on any other device I turn on or connect to.

I've turned off HDMI CEC on the TV and ran a fiber optic cable for the audio, thinking that would solve the issue; no dice yet though.

I'm running:
Samsung LCD TV
Denon 2112CI
Direct TV HD DVR
PS3
WD TV media player

For the network I have the Denon connected to a Netgear WNCE2001 (though that should have no bearing on what I'm experiencing)

Thanks

@nethawk -

I'll let the actual owners speak for themselves; however, reading the few negative reviews on Crutchfield, three things are readily apparent ... (1) the reviewer doesn't understand how HDMI works when passed through a switch (ie. cannot play 3D video to one display when the other is only 2D), (2) the reviewer didn't do his homework to determine what the AVR can and cannot do (ie. HDMI audio can go to either "AMP" or "TV" but not both at the same time), and (3) they just got the setup wrong and didn't bother asking for help, rather simply posting a negative review. Also note that all of the "CI" models offer the same version of Audyssey MultEQ XT as does the 2809CI so unless the 3312CI offers a feature the lower models do not (eg. preouts), then also consider the 2112CI as well.

I love my 3312. I have had no problems whatsoever (except operator error). The sound is fantastic, especially after I added the 2 wides. The wife even commented that it sounds better than our previous Denon 1909. She likes watching TV until the wee hours, and Audyssy makes it easier to hear at low volumes.

@Ajcrash -

It may be an HDMI handshake issue with the DTV box. You could try turning off HDMI Control on the AVR (if enabled) or connecting the HDMI from the box directly to the TV with optical from the box to the AVR. You mentioned use of optical, but unclear as to how you're using it.

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie
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What is the master volume setting when the AVR shuts down? How fast does the red ring flash ... every 1/2 sec or every 2 sec? The most common cause for your issue is improper wiring so check to make sure that wire from one post isn't touching that of another post, both at the AVR and the individual speakers. That said, the Denon rep was incorrect as those speakers shouldn't be hard to drive at all. You'll want to run AUTO SETUP again if you haven't already after adding the new speakers, making sure to reset them to SMALL with 80hz crossovers.
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Originally Posted by JChin
Hi mccafjohn, suggest double checking all speaker wire connection at receiver and speakers itself. Also check the speaker wire run as it may got pinched.
Ok, will do that this evening when I get home from work. Thanks. I will report back. This place is great. More help here then with the techies at the mfgr....





Ok, found a speaker wire issue with the gold bridge on the terminals.... Total rookie mistake :{
Corrected this and ran Audessy set up again. I can now increase the volume with no problems. However,

Upon checking the ch.level check, all the leveles are from +1.5 to -3 db except the sub is at -12. Per the audessy set up doc in someones signature this is not correct? Please advise correct remedy.

Also, the sey up changed my fronts to Large from Small. This is only a problem when using Apple TV. With the Large setting the Sub will not work. The setting has to be changed to Small fronts. Am I being too picky? Or is this just how it is?

Thanks.

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The sub volume/gain knob on the sub is set to high and the AVR has maxed out at -12db trying to reduce the volume. Turn the sub volume/gain knob back a few notches and run AUTO SETUP again. After doing so, set ALL speakers to SMALL with minimum of 80hz crossovers.

Presently the optical is run from the TV to the Denon, and the TV is set to use external speakers. I only have one optical out on the TV, I'm not sure if switching the optical to the DTV box would still allow audio to pass from the other sources. Currently the AVR is run directly into the TV's HDMI.

I did still have HDMI control set to "ON" in the Denon configuration. I've turned it off, and see how things are going and report back in a bit.

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The optical connection from the TV isn't going to resolve HDMI handshake issues. Your other sources should be connected to the AVR via HDMI if there are no HDMI handshake issues with either of them. Only the DTV needs to bypass the AVR with optical from the box to the AVR as that is likely an HDMI handshake issue you are experiencing if turning HDMI Control to OFF doesn't resolve the issue.

OK, turning HDMI control off didn't resolve it. So I'll try bypassing the AVR by running an HDMI cable directly from the DTV box to the TV with optical and see if that resolves anything. So far this has been the biggest point of frustration with the 2112CI.

Note, it's not an audio problem, when changing channels or sources it always reads "searching for signal" on the TV.

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Noted ... that's why you're bypassing the AVR and sending the video directly to the TV. Also note, this issue is common on all brands of AVRs with some brands/models of cable/sat boxes, not just Denon.

Nope, none of that worked either. I switched it all back to how I had it, and it stopped for a few minutes then it started up again. I'm beyond stumped.

I'm not bashing the Denon, I really like it; just wish this little glitch wasn't present. Hopefully at some point down the road a firmware update will resolve the issue, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Thanks for your effort JD, I do appreciate it.

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Hmm .. with no HDMI connection to the AVR from the DTV box, you're still getting a "Search for Signal" error on the AVR? Does the HDMI connection from the DTV box to the TV work okay as that's the only signal it's receiving?

Not on the AVR, it's displayed on my TV screen, all the same I guess; just trying to be as clear as possible about what's going on. Sometimes after resetting it works nice and smooth, other times I'll get a lag when changing channels (but no search for signal display), and sometimes I get "search for signal" lag before it tunes the channel.

It does work, but I still get the search for signal error. Each time I've made any changes I unplugged the surge protectors and waited 10 minutes before plugging them back in.

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Sorry, meant to say "TV" not "AVR," and if you're still getting that error on the TV when the signal is coming directly from the DTV box, it's either an issue with your DTV box or the HDMI cable, not with the AVR. Try replacing the HDMI cable and/or other HDMI inputs on your TV.

Thanks, I will do that. I read that in your audessy document location in your signature...I am still in the process of reading into that peice of work more thoroughly. So tell me, by setting the fronts,etc to SMALL, is that just reallocating the power supply from the amp? If not what is the significance? So what if someone has BIG speakers?

I'll file this as one of my less shining moments. I can't believe I didn't think to check what the disc was outputting. Fixed it right up. Thanks!

Correct. The setting of SMALL sends all frequencies below the crossover point to the sub, which in most cases(even with larger sized speakers) is not only better able to handle it as it has it's own amp, but also provides more headroom for the AVR to power the speakers. Additionally, Audyssey MultEQ and MultEQ XT have far more sub filters than speaker filters, so the EQ process is more detailed with more frequencies sent to the sub.

Thanks jd, I was afraid you were going to say that. Not unexpected, though. Thanks for your help.

Hi Ajcrash, try setting DTV box output as a consistent resolution (720p or 1080i) instead of native.

Bingo, we have a winner! That solved the search for signal deal. I still get a bit of a lag when changing channels, but that is far less bothersome than the search for signal lag plus the tuning lag.

I have to move things around in the next day or so anyways to move my Forte II mains and hook up my KLF 20's. UPS busted one of the horns when I had them shipped. When I do that I'll run the DTV box direct to the TV and that should solve the channel lag.

Thanks a ton guys.

ok so im a little confused about my sub for auto setup....where should the volume knob be before auto setup and what frequency should it be set at.....1612 btw

Wow! Excellent friggin article. Maybe I should invest in a better Sub ~). I have so much to learn here.

Hi everyone. I am running a 1612 with a 65vt30. When I turn my system on the receiver defaults to stereo (from cable box). I always have to switch inputs on the receiver then switch back to sat/cable for it to be Dolby digital. Any ideas how to fix this?

greetings

2112CI

i am trying to play Pandora, which i assumed would play directly from the Denon.
when i push usb/net the display sequnces through connecting . . please wait . . assignng . . favorites (this might not be the correct order)

i let it go through this for about 5 minutes. the TV screen changes from black, a flash of red and then no signal.

i finally gave up.

i have good network connection. i can view in a browser, i did a firmware update.

seems like i am missing something, but i can't find it. the manual is a bit sketchy here.

any help would be appreciated,

TIA
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