The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX12 Model Owner's Thread - Page 308

I'm playing around with a 2112CI. I have used that option but it only displays the settings as far as I can tell. Well I sort of figured it out... I can now change some speakers but not others such as the Center channel. Which might make sense based on what mode the receiver is in such as Stereo. You can only change the active channels?

After playing with the web GUI I have to say I really appreciate it being there but at the same time it reminds me of running an old DOS program in Windows 3.1.

JD, I was about to reset the microprocessor but thought lets try it one more time and to my surprise it worked. I left the avr unplugged overnight, may be that could be the reason why it's working now. Anyways, thanks JD.

Hi All,

Yesterday my Denon 3312 informed me there was an firmware update, it seemed to install and the Denon restarted itself. The display showed Update retry with flashing arrows restarted again. Keeps doing this a few time until it gives up and states ConnectionFail25. Has anyone encountered this and if so how can I fix it? I've tried unplugging and processor reset to no avail. Thanks.

Hi,
I returned 1712 for 2312 because of remote control issues and i see 2312 has "Picture adjust".

If i set brightness, contrast hue etc picture seems to loose its original beauty in Sharp aquos 60" TV.

Should i leave them in default 0 settings or is there any settings i need to do to get the upscaling and deep color advertised by 2312.

If i cannot adjust them and have better picture why have them ?

Please enlighten me.

Didnt work i still have to switch inputs to get it to go to dolby digital

Try pressing/holding the ON/STANDBY button for at least 5 seconds to see if it will restart the update. If no joy, then try leaving it unplugged for at least 10 minutes and then see if the install will restart. If still no joy, do the "network" reset discussed in post #5.

Although the 2312CI includes a video chip, it's more likely the source or TV will do just as good a job of upscaling (this is common with any video chip in all brands of AVRs) which is why many owners imply bypass the AVR and also why we suggest choosing the appropriate model based on it's "audio" features and not because it has a video chip, although you'll want to try both ways to determine which works best for you. Note also that currently there is no Deep Color content available so that feature isn't doing anything for you at this point.

Two questions to follow up on this:

When I start up a BD, it says Offset -4db. Is that normal?

In order to boost the dialogue a little, could I go in and raise the Reference Offset for the BD input to 5, 10, or 15? Or would that boost everything else?

So you're saying that when the cable box is first selected and it's on an HD channel that broadcasts DD 5.1, the AVR front panel display reads STEREO and pressing the MOVIE button and selecting DD PLII - Cinema has no effect and the front panel display still reads STEREO? What if you got to a SD channel and then back to the HD channel? Try unplugging the AVR for 10 minutes and see if that resolves the issue.

That is the DD dialogue normalization offset (p. 81) which is set within the audio track and not adjustable. By setting the Ref Lev Offset to 10, the bass boost will be lowered which will in turn enhance the center channel dialog for that particular source input. Using the button on the remote you can also bump up the center channel a few db.

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thanks for the response JD

OK what is the deal with this? AVR 1912 and I constantly experiencing the following error from post #4 on this thread...


"7. Sometimes the GUI will not appear when the NET/USB source is selected on the networking models.
1/23/12: Denon's response: Although originally reported as a hardware issue, this issue is not wide spread and is being handled on a case by case basis by Denon service. Several work arounds include setting HDMI Control to OFF or unplugging the AVR for 10 minutes, or better yet, unplugging it overnight (neither of which should reset any settings). Yet, another solution has been to turn on the AVR first, followed by the TV."

When this happens I also can't get Pandora to work either. If I unplug the receiver for 10 minutes it works for maybe a day, three days or even a week. Then the same problem comes back. Does Denon really think I should have to unplug this unit every three days? I'm really starting to wish I got the Pioneer VSK1021

thanks for reminding me of this. We actually had an airport express with some speakers attached so I know what you are referring to. Still don't see it though.

Any more suggestions on how to get airplay going?

thanks in advance for the help.

Mike

A pain for sure. Your options are return for refund or a swap, or send it in for service if it is over the 30 day period.

I would contact Denon C/S and or your reseller and see what they will do for you.

Almost ... subs rarely get set above 0db, so you're checking to make sure it gets set somewhere between -9db and 0db. And although FL/FR/SL/SR speakers are the same in the setup, you're only going to want to raise the crossover to 80hz if it gets set below 80hz (not likely the case), otherwise, if it's above 80hz leave it alone (more likely they'll get set to 110hz, 120hz, or 150hz).

So I'm looking to pull the trigger on the 1712, refurbished. Is there some kind of firmware update that I should know about? I recall reading something about a video issue with the Denons, even when HDMI was set for pass through, and that whatever the issue was (clipping whites?), it was fixed with a firmware update. My worry would be that I get a receiver that needs that firmware update, but I'm screwed because I have to pay for shipping to get that update (thereby nullifying any savings from getting a refurbished unit).

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I don't recall any 1712 owner's posting of the video clipping issue, although unless you are using an HTPC it's a moot point. Depending on how old the refurb is, it may or may not have been firmware updated. If it shows the "XT" in MultEQ XT on the front panel display, it's had a firmware update. I would give the repair facility you would likely be using a call and see if they have any firmware update service bulletins for the 1712.

Thanks a lot.

I have a unique opportunity to purchase a 3312ci for a nice price and was looking over the specs and comparing that model with the 1912 and the 2312ci and noticed that under the connectivity column it states that none of these have
"HDMI SACD support"

Am I reading that to mean if I were to purchase an OPPO 93 (seems like a real winner for my setup) that it would not accept playing my sacd collection over the HDMI output to any of these receivers??

That would be a potential showstopper and I have an itch to get this purchase moving this weekend

Anyone who can clarify this ??

Thanks
Don J

PS Any reason why I should look at the other models.. like the Denon brand but not sure about all the features it has and what I really need or want to future proof ??

Never mind for the first question.. I was lazy ( I admit it before you all remind me..lol) and after using and tweaking the search criteria I saw where this was asked and answered several other times in this thread..

If someone here does have the OPPO 93 connected to the 3312CI.. what is your experience like playing SACD material... how would you rate the sound??

As for the other question.. still looking for any input on the other two models vs the 3312ci (either the 1912 or the 2312)

I will be using this receiver in my smallish man cave and will be pairing it with the aforementioned (to be purchased OPPO 93) along with my brand spanking new Sony EX720 55 inch Bravia 3D tv and have looked at several soundbars (passive only) and am considering the GoldenEar soundbar I saw at CES or perhaps a Polk setup I saw there too..

Again a small room but you never know when this equipment might get promoted to my main living room to pair with the MITS 65 inch setup and the 5.1 PSB Image setup I currently am powering with a Denon 2309ci receiver.. ah decisions decisions.. thanks again for your thoughts on this matter

Don J

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For detailed SACD support, suggest you PM SoundofMind in the Denon 4311CI Owner's thread. IIRC he notices a distinct difference having the Oppo pass the DSD to the DSD capable AVRs he has owned (ie. 4310CI, 4311CI/A100).

Hi Don. I don't have the 3312 but I've read the 3312 OM and AFAIK the 3312 (and lower models as well) cannot decode DSD. That's OK, as the Oppo 93 is a fine universal player and it will decode SACD and can send it as HiRes 88.2KHz/24bit LPCM to the 3312 via HDMI. That should sound very good and no other player is likely to sound any better regardless of brand or cost paired with the 3312 or lesser AVR. Now if the 3312 does decode DSD, go ahead and send DSD bitstream out of the Oppo. But the subtle, distinct improvement I heard decoding DSD in the 4310 and 4311 vs sending PCM was only evident with very good speakers. I simply wouldn't worry about it with the Oppo, it'll sound good either way.

Except I strongly discourage the use of soundbars. Get 5 separate speakers (even small ones, Energy Take 5, etc) with a sub if you want to fully enjoy SACD MC music SQ (and film soundtracks, for that matter.)

If I can be of further help, free feel to PM as I can't keep up with this wonderfully busy thread. BTW if you want to experience the full glory of HiRes music, you'll need to spend way more money pairing an MultEQXT32 processor (4311) to fairly expensive speakers.

Does the 1912 pass 0-255 now after a firmware update. Thanks. There is a sweet deal on ebay and I need to know this for my PC.

The last firmware update I saw had this on it but I don't know if it is for this one.

I recently saw a 1712 which shipped from Denon (not the dealer) within a couple of weeks ago and it still didn't light up XT. So Im guessing it's hard to find a unit which has been updated.

Hi folks,
First all GREAT THREAD here, tons of useful info.

I have an AVR2112 incoming, which will be mated with a Samsung UN55D6300SF TV. This TV supports HDMI ARC.

I am trying to determine whether the HDMI ARC supports 5.1 audio sourced by the TV tuner, or whether I have to run a separate TOSLINK fiber to get the audio from the OTA HDTV tuner back to the AVR2112.

Basically, I need to have two A/V signal sources: 1) Blueray player and 2) OTA HDTV. The former is straightforward since the AVR2112 sits in the signal path. But ... The OTA HDTV RF input terminates on the TV and the audio channels are developed there. What method best gets the audio back to the AVR2112 for 5.1 processing and eventually nice sound?

The manual for the TV states,

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Thanks,
wrooster

Hi JD, thanks! I had do do the network reset and got the system working again. However if I try to update again it does the same thing. It gets stuck at the Authenticating stage. Any ideas? Thanks again!