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post #9241 of 18066
2/18/12 at 7:14am
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

I recently saw a 1712 which shipped from Denon (not the dealer) within a couple of weeks ago and it still didn't light up XT. So Im guessing it's hard to find a unit which has been updated.

If it didn't show "XT" would that mean it doesn't have MultiEQ XT? That's the primary reason I got it.
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post #9242 of 18066
2/18/12 at 7:16am
I now have a Pioneer 1019 had for a few years no issues but I am looking into getting a Denon 1912 for the 3d pass through and other upgrades the Pioneer fails to have. Will the Denon a give much better sound quality as well? Is getting MultEQ XT that big of a deal if so I may go with the 2112. Thanks for any info.
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post #9243 of 18066
2/18/12 at 7:28am
Well I saw the firmware and I think I am going to pull the trigger for 320 and free shipping for refurb. Too good to pass up. I would like some confirmation but I guess the firmware in January is good enough.

Ozcot they have the 1912 right now on ebay for 320.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=280828229265

Better hurry 342 after tax but 6 or more free ebay bucks and only 3 LEFT!
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post #9244 of 18066
2/18/12 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

have you read through the Audyssey section of my FAQ? it's pretty much all covered there: http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html#audyssey

BTW the only difference with "advanced" crossover is that you can set each speaker individually. It they will all be the same (e.g. 80Hz) then no reason to use "advanced".

So....if you have your crossover is set to 80, does this mean your surrounds and center are also set at 80hz? I run Audyssey then change all speakers to Small.
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post #9245 of 18066
2/18/12 at 7:42am
I have a 1712 and it does have xt. It is just something in the firmware that stops the light from lighting up
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post #9246 of 18066
2/18/12 at 7:46am
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Originally Posted by HTNUT1975 View Post

If it didn't show "XT" would that mean it doesn't have MultiEQ XT? That's the primary reason I got it.

It goes through the 8 positions so I think it's a cosmetic (display) thing.
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post #9247 of 18066
2/18/12 at 7:59am
Looking at this authorized dealer list: http://usa.denon.com/us/wheretobuy/p...eetailers.aspx I assume I'd be better off paying $10 more from B&H than from Buy.com (or Ebay) for a new 1712.
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post #9248 of 18066
2/18/12 at 8:04am
One month owner of the 1912 here, and while I'm very happy with it, I sort of which I'd gone for a little more power. I wasn't thrilled with the owner manual (on CD) or the remote control that came with it, but they'll do.
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post #9249 of 18066
2/18/12 at 8:34am
I decided to step up to the 2112 from the same seller on Ebay. I like the features. Only 360 shipped for refurb! 1 left.
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post #9250 of 18066
2/18/12 at 8:38am
Hi,

My buddy just bought the Denon 3312ci. When we were setting it up, he called Denon and they told him to put it on LFE+main. All of his speakers on Definitive Tech and all set to small. Seems from everything I read, this should be set to LFE. Should I have him change this to LFE?

Thanks, Jerry
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post #9251 of 18066
2/18/12 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by Lyons07 View Post

Hi,

My buddy just bought the Denon 3312ci. When we were setting it up, he called Denon and they told him to put it on LFE+main. All of his speakers on Definitive Tech and all set to small. Seems from everything I read, this should be set to LFE. Should I have him change this to LFE?

Thanks, Jerry

Have you read Batpig's Denon guide? If not, Google Batpig Denon and you will find it.
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post #9252 of 18066
2/18/12 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by Lyons07 View Post

Hi,

My buddy just bought the Denon 3312ci. When we were setting it up, he called Denon and they told him to put it on LFE+main. All of his speakers on Definitive Tech and all set to small. Seems from everything I read, this should be set to LFE. Should I have him change this to LFE?

Thanks, Jerry

It doesn't matter, although no reason to change from the factory default of LFE. When the front mains are set to SMALL (as they should be), the sub setting of LFE+MAIN does not apply, rather only whan the speakers are set to LARGE. Unfortunately, Denon CSRs are a 3rd party company and often are not trained well enough to provide the correct and accurate information.
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post #9253 of 18066
2/18/12 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by khronikos View Post

Does the 1912 pass 0-255 now after a firmware update. Thanks. There is a sweet deal on ebay and I need to know this for my PC.

The last firmware update I saw had this on it but I don't know if it is for this one.

Yes. This was fixed with a firmware update last summer.
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post #9254 of 18066
2/18/12 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

It doesn't matter, although no reason to change from the factory default of LFE. When the front mains are set to SMALL (as they should be), the sub setting of LFE+MAIN does not apply, rather only whan the speakers are set to LARGE. Unfortunately, Denon CSRs are a 3rd party company and often are not trained well enough to provide the correct and accurate information.

Thank you!!
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post #9255 of 18066
2/18/12 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

I recently saw a 1712 which shipped from Denon (not the dealer) within a couple of weeks ago and it still didn't light up XT. So Im guessing it's hard to find a unit which has been updated.

My guess is that a firmware update has never been developed to resolve the issue of the XT not showing up ... just not that important.

Edit: On a brighter note, and yes, it's been a long time coming for sure ..... the new XX13 models are apparently all going to be firmware updatable via a USB jack.
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post #9256 of 18066
2/18/12 at 9:43am
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Originally Posted by ozcot View Post

I now have a Pioneer 1019 had for a few years no issues but I am looking into getting a Denon 1912 for the 3d pass through and other upgrades the Pioneer fails to have. Will the Denon a give much better sound quality as well? Is getting MultEQ XT that big of a deal if so I may go with the 2112. Thanks for any info.

You will likely find some improvement in that MultEQ can EQ the sub whereas the Pioneer cannot. The difference between MultEQ and XT is likely to be more subtle depending on the quality of your speakers. However, if you are located in the USA, the difference in cost between the 1912 and 2112CI from Electronics Expo is generally only $20-$50 which makes it a no brainer to get the 2112CI, for the better Audyssey version, extra year of warranty, and the ability to SAVE the config file to a PC so you don't have to rerun AUTO SETUP again if for some reason you have to do a microprocessor reset.
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post #9257 of 18066
2/18/12 at 9:50am
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Originally Posted by TechB74 View Post

Hi JD, thanks! I had do do the network reset and got the system working again. However if I try to update again it does the same thing. It gets stuck at the Authenticating stage. Any ideas? Thanks again!

It could be an issue with your network so try resetting the router and if the AVR isn't directly connected to the router via cable, try that as well.
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post #9258 of 18066
2/18/12 at 9:51am
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Originally Posted by HTNUT1975 View Post

If it didn't show "XT" would that mean it doesn't have MultiEQ XT? That's the primary reason I got it.

Not at all ... the fact that you can do 8 mic positions confirms it's XT and not regular MultEQ.
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post #9259 of 18066
2/18/12 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by wrooster View Post

Hi folks,
First all GREAT THREAD here, tons of useful info.

I have an AVR2112 incoming, which will be mated with a Samsung UN55D6300SF TV. This TV supports HDMI ARC.

I am trying to determine whether the HDMI ARC supports 5.1 audio sourced by the TV tuner, or whether I have to run a separate TOSLINK fiber to get the audio from the OTA HDTV tuner back to the AVR2112.

ARC will send 5.1 audio from the internal tuner to the receiver. Follow the Sammy's instructions for turning on Anynet+ and connecting to HDMI2. Be sure you turn on HDMI-CTL on the Denon. It is off by default.
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post #9260 of 18066
2/18/12 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by khronikos View Post

Well I saw the firmware and I think I am going to pull the trigger for 320 and free shipping for refurb. Too good to pass up. I would like some confirmation but I guess the firmware in January is good enough.

Ozcot they have the 1912 right now on ebay for 320.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=280828229265

Better hurry 342 after tax but 6 or more free ebay bucks and only 3 LEFT!

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Originally Posted by khronikos View Post

I decided to step up to the 2112 from the same seller on Ebay. I like the features. Only 360 shipped for refurb! 1 left.

The ebay seller you purchased from is NOT an authorized reseller of Denon refurbs (they made a one time purchase from Denon and all units sell with a reduced 90 day warranty). Suggest you purchase a 3rd party warranty from them as well. Also note there are only 4 authorized refurb resellers as noted in the link below. When purchasing from them you will get a full 1 year warranty from Denon.

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Originally Posted by tcat View Post

Looking at this authorized dealer list: http://usa.denon.com/us/wheretobuy/p...eetailers.aspx I assume I'd be better off paying $10 more from B&H than from Buy.com (or Ebay) for a new 1712.

Yes and no. You always take a chance when buying from an unauthorized reseller as Denon will not honor the warranty if you need any repairs, so if you choose to go that route, as suggested above, get a 3rd party extended warranty.

That said, the best prices on Denon AVRs (new) are from several authorized resellers that provide discounts to include AV Science, Electronics Expo, and J&R. Give them a call and ask for their best price and you'll likely get a brand new unit for the same price the refurbs are going for.
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post #9261 of 18066
2/18/12 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by ozar View Post

One month owner of the 1912 here, and while I'm very happy with it, I sort of which I'd gone for a little more power. I wasn't thrilled with the owner manual (on CD) or the remote control that came with it, but they'll do.

Unless you have your AVR volume knob maxed out, the additional power in even the 3312CI would have been moot. Rather you would need to add an external amp with at least 250W or more.
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post #9262 of 18066
2/18/12 at 10:05am
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Originally Posted by Scurly View Post

So....if you have your crossover is set to 80, does this mean your surrounds and center are also set at 80hz? I run Audyssey then change all speakers to Small.

Only if you want it set that way, otherwise you can set them up to separate crossovers if desired. You can easily check the speaker settings in the Speaker Setup menu.
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post #9263 of 18066
2/18/12 at 11:02am
I recently upgraded from a Onkyo 607 to a Denon 2312, and for the first time ever I'm running into HDMI handshake-setting issues.

The devices having issues are

PS3 Slim - Black screen, no video, no audio. I've turned off Deep Color Output, and set the HDMI settings to "Manual" at 1080i,p, and 720p.

Samsung Time Warner Cable Box - I get Audio, but Video is displayed as grey/white and black flickering. Restarting the box, and receiver seems to resolve this most of the time.

Is there a setting in the Denon that would make it a bit more compatible with other devices?
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post #9264 of 18066
2/18/12 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by HTNUT1975 View Post

So I'm looking to pull the trigger on the 1712, refurbished. Is there some kind of firmware update that I should know about? I recall reading something about a video issue with the Denons, even when HDMI was set for pass through, and that whatever the issue was (clipping whites?), it was fixed with a firmware update. My worry would be that I get a receiver that needs that firmware update, but I'm screwed because I have to pay for shipping to get that update (thereby nullifying any savings from getting a refurbished unit).

Just a FYI, J&R had these for under $300 bucks and not refurbished. I got a demo from a local store for less. I hope no firmware date is needed.
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post #9265 of 18066
2/18/12 at 12:51pm
Quick questions everyone...

Is there a quick and easy way to refresh content when connected to a media server?
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post #9266 of 18066
2/18/12 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by lou99 View Post

I recently upgraded from a Onkyo 607 to a Denon 2312, and for the first time ever I'm running into HDMI handshake-setting issues.

The devices having issues are

PS3 Slim - Black screen, no video, no audio. I've turned off Deep Color Output, and set the HDMI settings to "Manual" at 1080i,p, and 720p.

Samsung Time Warner Cable Box - I get Audio, but Video is displayed as grey/white and black flickering. Restarting the box, and receiver seems to resolve this most of the time.

Is there a setting in the Denon that would make it a bit more compatible with other devices?

Issues with a cable box are quite common (with any brand) and can be worked around by bypassing the AVR with HDMI to the TV and optical to the AVR. Issues with the PS3 are less common and video issues are usually resolved by setting the Deep Color Output to OFF as you have already done. You may want to try replacing the HDMI cables for both sources as well as connecting each source to each of the HDMI inputs on the AVR to see if one works better than another.
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post #9267 of 18066
2/18/12 at 3:48pm
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Originally Posted by lou99 View Post
I recently upgraded from a Onkyo 607 to a Denon 2312, and for the first time ever I'm running into HDMI handshake-setting issues.

The devices having issues are

PS3 Slim - Black screen, no video, no audio. I've turned off Deep Color Output, and set the HDMI settings to "Manual" at 1080i,p, and 720p.

Samsung Time Warner Cable Box - I get Audio, but Video is displayed as grey/white and black flickering. Restarting the box, and receiver seems to resolve this most of the time.

Is there a setting in the Denon that would make it a bit more compatible with other devices?

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Issues with a cable box are quite common (with any brand) and can be worked around by bypassing the AVR with HDMI to the TV and optical to the AVR. Issues with the PS3 are less common and video issues are usually resolved by setting the Deep Color Output to OFF as you have already done. You may want to try replacing the HDMI cables for both sources as well as connecting each source to each of the HDMI inputs on the AVR to see if one works better than another.

Now that I purchased a refurbished 2312, Its hard to tell if the unit is defective. The cable company has already told me they can't help further.

Using HDMI+Optical for every device isnt an option because I dont have enough optical ports.

I was also told that all high-speed HDMI cables are the same and it shouldn't matter. Herm...

Anyway, changing the cable didnt help; the screen either flashed solid green, or snow/black.

I'm now working on a return... but am skeptical of going Denon again and ending up in the same spot.

My Cablebox is a Samsung HMT-8272 if that helps.
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post #9268 of 18066
2/18/12 at 4:02pm
I have a new Denon AVR 1912 hooked up to two old Tannoy 611s and some no-account old tiny Cambridge speakers for surrounds and a Sunfire sub. No center speaker. I know it's a Frankenstein setup, but it's what I got.

Problem: In 5.1 video, while imaging is great -- dialogue sounds like it comes straight from center -- center volume is too low. Dialogue is hard to hear when music and effects are just right.

I could buy a center speaker, but I can't find a 611 center anymore. I don't really want to replace the 611s with a new surround setup (I love the Tannoys, and can't afford to replace them anyway). If I get a center from another vendor, will Audessey be able to balance it out so it sounds good?

Or is there a way to fix the phantom center level? I've tried all the movie "modes" and all they have the same volume problem. Dialogue sounds great in multi-channel stereo, but then it's not exactly localized right, obviously.

Thanks AVSF gurus.
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post #9269 of 18066
2/18/12 at 4:39pm
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Originally Posted by lou99 View Post

Now that I purchased a refurbished 2312, Its hard to tell if the unit is defective. The cable company has already told me they can't help further.

Using HDMI+Optical for every device isnt an option because I dont have enough optical ports.

I wasn't suggesting for "every" device, rather only the cable box. As I said, PS3's generally don't have issues with Denon AVRs.

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Originally Posted by lou99 View Post

I was also told that all high-speed HDMI cables are the same and it shouldn't matter.

Not true. The quality of the cable matters.
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post #9270 of 18066
2/18/12 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by Raferx2 View Post

I have a new Denon AVR 1912 hooked up to two old Tannoy 611s and some no-account old tiny Cambridge speakers for surrounds and a Sunfire sub. No center speaker. I know it's a Frankenstein setup, but it's what I got.

Problem: In 5.1 video, while imaging is great -- dialogue sounds like it comes straight from center -- center volume is too low. Dialogue is hard to hear when music and effects are just right.

I could buy a center speaker, but I can't find a 611 center anymore. I don't really want to replace the 611s with a new surround setup (I love the Tannoys, and can't afford to replace them anyway). If I get a center from another vendor, will Audessey be able to balance it out so it sounds good?

Or is there a way to fix the phantom center level? I've tried all the movie "modes" and all they have the same volume problem. Dialogue sounds great in multi-channel stereo, but then it's not exactly localized right, obviously.

Thanks AVSF gurus.

When movies/TV make up the majority of your listening, you will be much better served with a dedicated center speaker of equal quality to the front mains and ideally from the same mfr; however, if not, Audyssey will still do a good job at EQing it in your environment.
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