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post #1111 of 1955
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
First try simply unplugging the AVR for about 10 minutes. If still no joy, try resetting the microprocessor.

I tried unplugging. Interestingly, right after this, the iPod played through it fine. Though I didn't hear the relay click when I first started the iPod. But after I shut the 5006 off, using the standby button, there was the click of the relay. After that the iPod did not turn it on. So while unplugging and plugging it in (after more the 10 minutes), put the AVR in some mode the iPod could start it up from, turning it off put it back to where it wouldn't start again.

Bottom line is it is consistent with having the network standby set to "off", but I have confirmed again that it is set "On".

Something else I noticed is that when I start the iPod the AVR display doesn't change at all. It just shows a dash. But if I change the iPod volume, the display says "Net/USB" on one line and a number like 38 below it (volume number I assume). It holds this for a few moments before returning to the dash.

So again there is some sort of connection, but it doesn't turn it on all the way.

Also, as to resetting the MPU, how do you do that?
post #1112 of 1955
^^
See p. 140 in your Owner's manual, although before doing so, you'll want to SAVE the config file to a PC using a laptop first (pp. 76-77) as all settings will be returned to factory defaults as well as clearing out the Audyssey results.
post #1113 of 1955
A small update to my networking issue FWIW.

- I didn't have my "File Print Sharing" enabled on the TCPIP protocol properties. Should have checked that right away, duh.

- I was unaware that "Windows media center" was the only "built in" solution => I thought (was told) you could browse to a shared folder etc, which is not the case. Unless the Windows Media Center "solution" offers something more, I'm not too concerned about using it at this point as I have my music in iTunes and Airplay seems to work fine. Airplay, Windows Media Center, Airfoil and the probably the umpteen other solutions all do the similar thing => stream media, yes?

Anyway that's that. There's still a lot to get familiar with on this model. One thing I'm curious about is the upscaling feature (or lack of on the 5006). Do the receivers that say they upconvert 720, 1080i to 1080p worth it (mainly for cable)? My picture is pretty darn good on the HD channels (1080i) and BD is awesome but just curious if going with an upscaling AVR would be worth it (6006)?
post #1114 of 1955
I did not reset the MPU, but oddly it seems to be working again simply as a result of accessing it via the web interface. I didn't go into any of the settings, just looked at the main zone screen

Something I noticed is that yesterday, when it wasn't working properly the AVR display just had a dash. "-" in the upper right of the display. Today it shows something like a star in the upper middle.

At this point I'll just have to see how it behaves to see if it really has resolved itself.

I did make a point to save the configuration while I was in there.

Thanks for the help.

While on the subject of the 5006 and iPods, another annoying thing that happens, is it seems that if there is a bit of a longer pause between songs on the iPod, the Airplay connection is lost. Sort of like something decided there is no music left to play, so it stops. No idea of this is the 5006, or iPod, or perhaps even something in the network H/W. Might even just be a marginal wi-fi to the iPod. Though it seems to stop at the end of songs, not in the middle. Anyone have a similar problem and some suggestions?
post #1115 of 1955
Hi guys. Just picked up an sr5006 and have a question or two. I have done a lot of reading about this receiver and dynamic eq and volume. The general consensus is to disable Dynamic Volume however when I do so I run into some issues.

With dynamic volume turned ON I am able to hear everything just fine on a reasonable volume level. Never having to go over 50% on the volume slider bar to get a nice sounding volume. However when I disable dynamic volume the volume plummets and I have to raise the volume to almost 3/4 the bar maybe more and it's still not even very loud. If I leave the volume alone from where it was when Dynamic Volume was turned I can hardly hear any sound at all. I haven't fully cranked this thing but I am guessing if I wanted to listen to a movie or music at high volume I would have to max the volume out, and that is something I am not accustomed to doing.

So my question is this. How can I make it so my volume is reasonably audible with dynamic volume turned off without having to crank my receiver all the way to max volume. Thanks in advance. Hope somebody can help me!

Also do I want dynamic EQ turned on or off? I see conflicting things about this. I basically watch a lot of tv and blu ray that's about it on this setup so what settings would be best for me? What listening modes do you guys like best for tv? My onkyo had something called TV Logic that sounded great, but can't find anything like this on the marantz.
Edited by JustLo - 6/17/12 at 4:22pm
post #1116 of 1955
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Originally Posted by JustLo View Post

With dynamic volume turned ON I am able to hear everything just fine on a reasonable volume level. Never having to go over 50% on the volume slider bar .

No doubt some of the experts with long term use of this receiver will answer but can I make a few suggestions.
Firstly please use exact references ie: use dB as your volume level, this way everyone know exactly what you are talking about.

I suggest you have a read of this entire post.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51780#user_verytop

This section is in regards to your two points - Dynamic Volume and EQ.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51780#user_G

As for turning features on and off, whatever works best for your ears is always the right answer.
If you like the way something sounds with a feature on or off, and someone else has a different opinion, it is simply that, their different opinion.
They are your ears, you have to listen to the results, so trust them.
post #1117 of 1955
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

If still no joy, try a few repeated resets, otherwise give Marantz a call.

I called the local distributor for Marantz, and they simply suggested I turn the feature for Firmware update feature off, as the last 2 updates will have no effect on me.
The update in Jan had to do with Cestron, and I have now completely forgotten what April s update did, but it was basically nothingness.

I can live with this; my AVR is so far working as it should.

I am going to run setup again after reading through the Audyssey setup guide.

I did have one interesting experience yesterday. I turned my houses mains power off to do some plumping work, and after an hour or so turned it all back on.
I had turned the AVR off at the wall first, when I turned it all back on, the AVR had no settings on it.
That is, no Audyssey setup, 7.1 instead of 5.1 channels selected, start up volume was at -70dB instead of the -50dB I had it at and other weird things.
It was as if it was completely reset, although it wasn’t as my static IP address was still setup. I simply reloaded the saved file and all was good. Very odd though.
post #1118 of 1955
That is odd ... although good that you had the PC backup. wink.gif
post #1119 of 1955
This is in response to the volume question. I have only had the sr6006 receiver for 2 weeks myself but one thing that I have noticed is that for the most part I have to have the volume at -24 to - 18.5 depending on the source . My speakers say that they are 91db for sensitivity but reasearch posted online shows that they are really 87 db ( Mirage OMD 15, c1, 5) which I think may be my problem with the the whole lack of sound at what should be a reasonable volume setting. I went ahead an ordered an emotiva 200 w x 3 amplifier to drive the front stage.

After a movie marathon my Sr6006 shut the volume off from what I suspect was self defense because after it stopped putting out sound I checked the receiver and the heat coming off of it was high and I have nothing beside it or on top of it. My speakers are rated at 250 w for the l/r and 175 for the center and 4 surrounds so I am hoping that once I have the front 3 channels being run off of an amp that I won't have to push the receiver so hard. I will keep you posted on if that helps or not . I am really hoping that is the case though because if not I am going to feel kind of cheated on paying the money that I paid for the receiver and the speakers because I think it is only fair to say that they may be part of the problem.
post #1120 of 1955
^^
That sounds about average for any speakers (movie watching) as the AVR will set reference volume to 0db after running Audyssey. The AVR likely set your front mains to LARGE, so as is recommended, and if not already done, reset them to SMALL with 80hz crossovers. This will provide more headroom to the AVR to power the front mains as well as pass more lower frequencies to the sub which has 8x more sub filters than speaker filters.
post #1121 of 1955
I have the fronts set to small and the overall crossover set to 80hz instead of the systems set up of advanced. I am hoping that after an amp I will at least be able to clearly hear the dialoge at those same volume settings coming from the center channel which seems to be underpowered more than anything. If I could hear the dialoge I wouldn't need to turn the volume up so high but it seems like the amp is throwing more power at the L/R and the center seems to get the least power except when in multi channel stereo where it seems that the surrounds are the most underpowered and are just so hollow and as empty sounding as the nanosats I had prior to upgrading.
post #1122 of 1955
^^^

"power" is not your issue... in any way, shape or form... at the numbers you posted, you are using well less than a watt almost all the time...

your issue is almost certainly setup related... post a few pics of your room and let's see what we can do...
post #1123 of 1955
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Originally Posted by sumbadhatharry View Post

I have the fronts set to small and the overall crossover set to 80hz instead of the systems set up of advanced. I am hoping that after an amp I will at least be able to clearly hear the dialoge at those same volume settings coming from the center channel which seems to be underpowered more than anything. If I could hear the dialoge I wouldn't need to turn the volume up so high but it seems like the amp is throwing more power at the L/R and the center seems to get the least power except when in multi channel stereo where it seems that the surrounds are the most underpowered and are just so hollow and as empty sounding as the nanosats I had prior to upgrading.

Do you have Audyssey Dyn EQ enabled? Also using Reference Level Offset set to 10db for TV and music will help improve center channel dialog as well as simply bumping up the center channel a few db. As Chris suggests, either post some pictures of your room to include speaker locations or describe them how/where they are located.
post #1124 of 1955
I will take some pics tonight . The room is strangely shaped and the way the system is arranged could be the problem because of this but from my sofa to the center is only 8 feet. And from the main seating position 10.3 feet to the L/R .

Also the dynamic eq is on however dynamic volume is off.
post #1125 of 1955
How is the center speaker installed and oriented?

In general it needs to be up off the floor, not in a cabinet, and pointed toward the listener's ears.
post #1126 of 1955
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

How is the center speaker installed and oriented?
In general it needs to be up off the floor, not in a cabinet, and pointed toward the listener's ears.

It's pointed up towards the ceiling which is normal for Mirage Centers.
post #1127 of 1955
^^
How high off the floor is your center speaker? Ideally it should be at or below seated ear height. Is it located on an open shelf or inside a cabinet shelf?
post #1128 of 1955
^^
It is about 6 inches below seated ear level on top of the TV stand with nothing blocking it on the top or sides . It's positioned properly as far as Mirage speakers go. And as a side note the XT sets the center channel lower than any other channel , the EQ sets it at -5 when the highest any of the other speakers get set at is -3.5 so The mic is registering it as being close and louder than the other speakers yet when in use it is too soft . Maybe the eq is not calculating properly .
Edited by sumbadhatharry - 6/18/12 at 10:34am
post #1129 of 1955
^^
Below the TV yes, as when situated above the TV, the suggested orientation is flipping it upside down. Given it's current location, you'll just have to work with some of the suggested settings changes due to the unique configuration of the C-1. You might also want to try adjusting the position of the couch as well if possible. You may also find that given your room dynamics, the C-1 may not be the most ideal center.
post #1130 of 1955
^^
I'm in an apartment so for now I will just have to deal with the room config but I am still holding some hope that the amp with clear some things up too.
We just moved 6 months ago and are on month to month so once I get a more stable environment I guess I will be able to evaluate things a little better.
post #1131 of 1955
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Originally Posted by sumbadhatharry View Post

^^. Maybe the eq is not calculating properly .

Read this section about centre channel

a)2. Why is dialogue from the centre channel difficult to hear or understand?

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51780#user_a2
post #1132 of 1955
^^
Update on my situation, the Amp made a huge difference. Volume levels are now at 34-27 and the center is much fuller and cleaner, I can hear the dialog on the same level as the fronts so no more sense of being underpowered. The lady of the house has even noticed a difference in the sound quality and the difference in the hearing level to volume level as well.

While I understand the comment about it not being a power issue at this point it leads me to think that either the receiver is not working properly or that the receiver is just not that good at doing what it says that it can. The total power of the reciever is 640 watts so at the very most if the receiver uses no power on anything else then that leaves 91watts per channel which should be more than enough. I think maybe the distribution of the signal could be the problem. Dont get me wrong the SR6006 is still much better than the Denon 1912 it replaced but something is just lacking when it is on its own.

The difference with the Amp is like night and day. Right now I am listening to cable TV at -29 and the dialog is clear and I would need to have the volume at -18 before just to be able to hear the center channel as clear while the l/r would be so loud that you could hear them about 100 feet down the hallway of my apartment building. To me it seems like the receiver was trying to run everything to the front l/r and taking what was left and distributing from there.

To me something seems wrong with this picture, think I should ask Crutchfield to exchange the receiver?
post #1133 of 1955
^^^

simply sounds like to me that the external amp has a different gain structure...

there was nothing wrong with your existing setup that proper placement and set up wouldn't cure...

the interaction between the power supply and the amplifiers in your avr doesn't work the way you are assuming it does...

however, if you are happy...
post #1134 of 1955
Yeah for now i am happy it sounds much better and considering my 11X11 living room only has so much space and flexibility I can't do anything about the placement .I don't have any equipment to determine the DB from my seating location so I am stuck with the XT doing the set up too.

At least I have something to look forward to when I find another house or move back into my old house if I can find a job back in the that I had to move from to find a new job( I know that you may think that considering tre size of my living room HT should be the furthest thing from my mind but in DC you pay a high price for space.) since the system should the sound 10 times better if placed properly .

I know that I don't have the knowledge of the technical side of things but that is why I come to ask the experts and learn along the way.
post #1135 of 1955
with an SR6006, did the Audyssey auto cal, now want to listen without Audyssey. So I set MultiXT to Off. Question: how do I activate the Re-EQ feature that "tames" bright soundtracks. I can't seem to find it anywhere, and the button on the remote does nothing.


thanks
Edited by JayNYC - 6/23/12 at 7:21am
post #1136 of 1955
I ran setup again the other day.
This time I first did a 5 position setup for my Paradigm DSP3200 Sub, using the Perfect Base kit and got it nice and flat. - Graph results - http://i.imgur.com/qjBgm.jpg
I turned he gain down to the lowest point that would still work with the test - about 55%.

I ran Audyssey with 8 positions and ended up with this
CHANNEL LEVEL ( MAIN ZONE )
FL-5.5 dB
FR-5.5 dB
C-7.5 dB
SW-12.0 dB
SL-1.5 dB
SR-2.5 dB.
I saved this set up.

I left it for a couple of days and yesterday rather than re run all 8 positions again, I simply ran 1 position and keep checking the results and lowering the Subs gain until it read -3.0dB.

I then reloaded the saved set up, and went and altered the Sub level to -3.0dB.

Is there anything wrong with this? Or should I really run all postions again?

When I had a SPL set up about 2 feet away from the centre mic postion as I re run the test to alter the sub and noticed that it would only display about 44dB when Audyssey got to -3dB, this does seem very odd. Sure the bass is no longer overwhelming as it had in the past, but it is also too light in my opinion.

I think I may alter the level to be simply 0.0dB for the sub so it is not being checked at all anymore and see how that feels.
Edited by -SNUKE- - 6/24/12 at 7:30pm
post #1137 of 1955
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Originally Posted by -SNUKE- View Post

I did have one interesting experience yesterday. I turned my houses mains power off to do some plumping work, and after an hour or so turned it all back on.
I had turned the AVR off at the wall first, when I turned it all back on, the AVR had no settings on it.
That is, no Audyssey setup, 7.1 instead of 5.1 channels selected, start up volume was at -70dB instead of the -50dB I had it at and other weird things.
It was as if it was completely reset, although it wasn’t as my static IP address was still setup. I simply reloaded the saved file and all was good. Very odd though.

I had to turn the mains off again, and got the same result.
When I turned the power back on, the AVR restarted itself into radio favourites mode, and all set up was gone.
post #1138 of 1955
So then if the AVR is powered to Standby mode first before you remove the wall power to it, it shouldn't be losing memory. You may want to consider replacing it if reloading the SAVE file is not something you want to do to resolve the issue.
post #1139 of 1955
Any thoughts on my post about the sub level?

Post # 1136
Edited by -SNUKE- - 6/25/12 at 5:35pm
post #1140 of 1955
Rather than reload the SAVEd setup, you're much better served just doing all 8 mic positions after the sub was set down to -3db using the 1 position test.
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