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post #1321 of 1955
Is anybody else having problems with playing DLNA content on the SR6006 using the iPhone app (Marantz Remote App)?

When I try to start playing a file from the server, the app gets stuck and finally times out, stating "cannot play file". In the mean time, the porthole display of the receiver never seems to get past selecting the dlna server. It is as if the app "forgets" to send the proper instruction for selecting the server before attempting to play the file.
post #1322 of 1955
Ok so this might just be bad setup/speakers or personal preference but dos anyone else think that vocals come in soft/quiet compared to the background music/noise in songs and tv shows? I have a sr6006 and polk monitor cs10, monitor 60s, monitor30s, and a psw505. I have increased the center channel width in the settings and that helped a little bit but its still soft/quiet.
post #1323 of 1955
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When you have Dyn EQ enabled, it will boost the bass as lower volumes which tends to drown out the dialogue on TV shows. You can increase the dialogue quality by changing the "Reference Level Offset" setting from 0db to 10db or 15db which will reduce the bass boost.
post #1324 of 1955
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Originally Posted by Hoovie59 View Post

Ok so this might just be bad setup/speakers or personal preference but dos anyone else think that vocals come in soft/quiet compared to the background music/noise in songs and tv shows? I have a sr6006 and polk monitor cs10, monitor 60s, monitor30s, and a psw505. I have increased the center channel width in the settings and that helped a little bit but its still soft/quiet.

A lot of variables in your question; speaker choice, speaker placement, lack of room analyzing, old technology vs new technology, aged hearing, room acoustics, subwoofer choice, poor bass management, just to name many possibilities with more possibilities that remain unnamed. eek.gif

We recently replaced the old SR600X with a SR5007 and replaced the center channel with a Klipsch, RC-64 II. Couple the AVR/center channel change/upgrade with Audyssey, MultiEQ XT and the listening experience is at least a two fold increase in ease of listening pleasure.

The point of the above, without seeing your situation, not trying to be overly dramatic or discouraging, is to give insight that there are many possible reasons for your listening dilemma and it's a distinct possibility that the solution may come down to the need for a complete upgrade/update/do-over of your listening environment.
post #1325 of 1955
Thanks jdsmoothie I'll give that a try. And BeeMan458 aged hearing really isn't my problem hopefully only being 20 haha but room acoustics could definitely affect it considering my college apartment is far from ideal, and as far as a total upgrade is concerned, well I'm in college so $$$ is in short supply. I think I'm just going to tweak some settings and possibly change my speaker placement to see if I can get any better results. I mean its not terrible I just feel like the lyrics/dialog should be a little easier to hear through the "background" sounds. Also on a side note I feel like Audyssey sets the surrounds a lot louder than I would typically set them, but from what I've read it sets all the speakers at the same volume for the desired listening position so I guess that's the way it's supposed to be.
post #1326 of 1955
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Note that Dyn EQ is boosting the surrounds as well as the bass, so if setting the Reference Level Offset doesn't reduce the surround audio enough, simply adjust them yourself using the remote control as doing so will not impact the Audyssey filters. Remember, it's your setup, so adjust to your own preference.
post #1327 of 1955
^^^ Thanks for the help, I adjusted both the offset and turned the surrounds down just a little, to a level that sounded appropriate. I still might have a little more tweaking to be done but it sounds much better now.
post #1328 of 1955
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Originally Posted by Hoovie59 View Post

Thanks jdsmoothie I'll give that a try. And BeeMan458 aged hearing really isn't my problem hopefully only being 20 haha but room acoustics could definitely affect it considering my college apartment is far from ideal, and as far as a total upgrade is concerned, well I'm in college so $$$ is in short supply. I think I'm just going to tweak some settings and possibly change my speaker placement to see if I can get any better results. I mean its not terrible I just feel like the lyrics/dialog should be a little easier to hear through the "background" sounds. Also on a side note I feel like Audyssey sets the surrounds a lot louder than I would typically set them, but from what I've read it sets all the speakers at the same volume for the desired listening position so I guess that's the way it's supposed to be.

A couple of points, placement of the center channel is important and how the center channel is positioned, also affects output. You want the CC out to the edge and fully unobstructed, pointed in the direction of the main listening position. All speakers are suppose to be set the same, reference level. One way to change this is to go into your AVR's menu and change the gain for the center channel. Also, you can make sure the Audyssey "Dynamic Volume" is set to medium. This will jack up the floor by about 10dB (compression) so the there's not so much dynamic range and makes the dialogue easier to hear.

If all these things have been done, ignore my comments. tongue.gif

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post #1329 of 1955
Hi All,

I just bought a sr6006 to replace my old sr8300. Do you have any suggestions on how to use the 8300? I don't want to sell it.

Thanks.
post #1330 of 1955
You could use it to power your FL/FR speakers or as a Zone 2 amp if you have a 7.1 setup in the main zone.
post #1331 of 1955
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Originally Posted by M Arantz View Post

Is anybody else having problems with playing DLNA content on the SR6006 using the iPhone app (Marantz Remote App)?
When I try to start playing a file from the server, the app gets stuck and finally times out, stating "cannot play file". In the mean time, the porthole display of the receiver never seems to get past selecting the dlna server. It is as if the app "forgets" to send the proper instruction for selecting the server before attempting to play the file.

Yes, and non stop issues getting Airplay to work.
I have done so many resets, and set ups I am giving up on it working properly.
It can't / wont do a Firmware update and the only other option is to send it off to the distributor which is more of a hassle than not having these features working.
post #1332 of 1955
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Originally Posted by -SNUKE- View Post

Yes, and non stop issues getting Airplay to work.
I have done so many resets, and set ups I am giving up on it working properly.
It can't / wont do a Firmware update and the only other option is to send it off to the distributor which is more of a hassle than not having these features working.

I am in the same boat with AirPlay. The quickest way to resolve the issues (no video from the cable box, inability to control the volume from the remote and from volume knob, inability to use airplay from another device) is to unplug the power cable for a few minutes. But it gets very old when I have to do it on a daily basis. We use AirPlay everyday and it is one of the major features that made me decide to purchase this receiver. Even when "disconnecting" my laptop or iPhone in iTunes, the issues still occur. I've called Marantz and they said to send it in to their repair facility on the east coast. It wouldn't be much of an issue if I didn't live in Alaska. The cost of shipping anything from Alaska this heavy is ridiculous and not worth the time and effort. This is my 2nd 6006 with bugs/issues, my first one had the same airplay issues and more. I just hope Marantz is able to come out with a firmware fix for it soon.
post #1333 of 1955
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Originally Posted by M Arantz View Post

Is anybody else having problems with playing DLNA content on the SR6006 using the iPhone app (Marantz Remote App)?
When I try to start playing a file from the server, the app gets stuck and finally times out, stating "cannot play file". In the mean time, the porthole display of the receiver never seems to get past selecting the dlna server. It is as if the app "forgets" to send the proper instruction for selecting the server before attempting to play the file.

Quote:
Originally Posted by -SNUKE- View Post

Yes, and non stop issues getting Airplay to work.
I have done so many resets, and set ups I am giving up on it working properly.
It can't / wont do a Firmware update and the only other option is to send it off to the distributor which is more of a hassle than not having these features working.

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Originally Posted by akwiseguy View Post

I am in the same boat with AirPlay. The quickest way to resolve the issues (no video from the cable box, inability to control the volume from the remote and from volume knob, inability to use airplay from another device) is to unplug the power cable for a few minutes. But it gets very old when I have to do it on a daily basis. We use AirPlay everyday and it is one of the major features that made me decide to purchase this receiver. Even when "disconnecting" my laptop or iPhone in iTunes, the issues still occur. I've called Marantz and they said to send it in to their repair facility on the east coast. It wouldn't be much of an issue if I didn't live in Alaska. The cost of shipping anything from Alaska this heavy is ridiculous and not worth the time and effort. This is my 2nd 6006 with bugs/issues, my first one had the same airplay issues and more. I just hope Marantz is able to come out with a firmware fix for it soon.

Try rebooting the router and if not wired directly from the AVR, consider upgrading to a more robust/capable router and wireless bridge. Another option is using Powerline Adapters.
post #1334 of 1955
Guys, in need of some assistance please.

I just got a 6006, RBH MC series speakers (MC-6CT, MC-616C and MC-44C) and an SVS PB12-NSD sub (second sub arriving this week). I connected everything up and ran Audyssey this weekend. Considering the speakers are new and not broken in the sound quality is excellent but it doesn't seem loud enough. To watch movies and listen to music at a reasonably loud level (yes very subjective term) I have the volume set at -5dB to 0 dB and still feel I want it louder.

After some adjustment of the gain on the sub, Audyssey has the speakers (5.1 setup) set at between -5 to -6 dB and sub at -8dB. I can't get Audyssey to set the speaker trim any higher. My room is approx. 20ft x 18ft x 10 high, lots of hard surfaces (wood floor)

It seems like the amp doesn't have enough grunt, but I don't think that's the case or rather hope it's not. Any thoughts, am I missing something or doing something wrong in my setup.

Thanks for any suggestions.
post #1335 of 1955
Audyssey will setup the speakers such that at a master volume of 0db, the speakers should put out 85db with peaks of 105db (or "reference" volume) so they are attenuated down to meet that volume spec. For movie and music listening it's not unusual to have the master volume near 0db.
post #1336 of 1955
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Originally Posted by KPT View Post

Guys, in need of some assistance please.

I just got a 6006, RBH MC series speakers (MC-6CT, MC-616C and MC-44C) and an SVS PB12-NSD sub (second sub arriving this week). I connected everything up and ran Audyssey this weekend. Considering the speakers are new and not broken in the sound quality is excellent but it doesn't seem loud enough. To watch movies and listen to music at a reasonably loud level (yes very subjective term) I have the volume set at -5dB to 0 dB and still feel I want it louder.

After some adjustment of the gain on the sub, Audyssey has the speakers (5.1 setup) set at between -5 to -6 dB and sub at -8dB. I can't get Audyssey to set the speaker trim any higher. My room is approx. 20ft x 18ft x 10 high, lots of hard surfaces (wood floor)

It seems like the amp doesn't have enough grunt, but I don't think that's the case or rather hope it's not. Any thoughts, am I missing something or doing something wrong in my setup.

Thanks for any suggestions.

actually, it's just the opposite... the negative trims are indicative that the amp has plenty "more" grunt than you need...

keep turning the volume knob to the right... smile.gif although i'd be a bit concerned about your ears at that volume...
post #1337 of 1955
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Audyssey will setup the speakers such that at a master volume of 0db, the speakers should put out 85db with peaks of 105db (or "reference" volume) so they are attenuated down to meet that volume spec. For movie and music listening it's not unusual to have the master volume near 0db.

Thanks, my previous AVR is/was Onkyo 605 so no familiar with volume based on reference level. So it sounds like listerning at 0dB is OK (normal?), can I exceed that into the + terrortory or is that likely to cause distortion?
post #1338 of 1955
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

actually, it's just the opposite... the negative trims are indicative that the amp has plenty "more" grunt than you need...
keep turning the volume knob to the right... smile.gif although i'd be a bit concerned about your ears at that volume...

Thanks for the reply.

Currently traveling to Orlando, will play some more when I get back home later in the week.

As a general comment when I have the master volume at say -35dB it is very quiet, you can't watch TV, movies, etc is this normal. My previous Onkyo 605 with Polk RTi4's and a CSi3 played much louder in a similar sized room. This is what's causing my concern, I was expecting this setup to be considerably louder. Perhaps it's because the sound is so good/clear I feel it should be louder, if that makes sense.
post #1339 of 1955
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Originally Posted by KPT View Post

Thanks, my previous AVR is/was Onkyo 605 so no familiar with volume based on reference level. So it sounds like listerning at 0dB is OK (normal?), can I exceed that into the + terrortory or is that likely to cause distortion?

You can, but it's generally recommended not to in order to avoid any distortion as well as doing so would not likely result in much louder volume but rather requiring a huge jump in power from the AVR, likely causing it to shut down in protection mode.
post #1340 of 1955
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Originally Posted by KPT View Post

As a general comment when I have the master volume at say -35dB it is very quiet, you can't watch TV, movies, etc is this normal.

I would say from my perspective, no it's not. Not sure what's what with what and your situation as at -48dB to -45dB, for television viewing, with the subs turned off, our setup is at a comfortable listening level. I'm not knocking your system or bragging on ours. My comments are strictly for the purpose of comparison. I asked my wife to come into the living room and we both did a sound check and she's good to go at the above stated level. Her hearing ability being a bit better than my ability and having tested my hearing, I'd say I have average, old man hearing; 10Hz > 14kHz with a 5dB hole about 4kHz.

We're running a Marantz, SR5007, a pair of Klipsch speakers that are the older brothers to the RF-7 II's (Epic, CF-3's) and a RC-64 II for a center channel at about a twelve foot listening distance in a 3,500^ft3 living room with a twelve foot cathedral ceiling and large openings leading into the kitchen which act as a sound baffle. Our surrounds are the older brothers to the RS-62 II's (KSP-S6) and are located above and behind the main listening position by about 6'. The speaker system has been acoustically dialed in using Audyssey, MultEQ XT.

The point of my above, with a properly balanced system that has been reasonably dialed in, one should not have any trouble hearing the television at -35dB. If anything, I'd say for casual television listening, -35dB would rationally qualify as loud. So unless one has something else going on in the room in which to cancel the speaker produced sound waves or they have competing noise coming from somewhere else, you might need to give your system a closer look to see why you're having trouble listening at -35dB.
post #1341 of 1955
Recently I've been listening to BDs with the volume set at about -20db. Louder than that is annoying to me, and 0db is almost painful. After being calibrated, those settings are supposed to result in the same sound level at the primary listening position, despite the speakers and room acoustics. I have to wonder what is going on that would cause Audyssey calibrations to result in such different audio comfort levels. Surely it can't all be due to people having damaged their hearing acuity at live concerts and mp3 players turned up too loud.
post #1342 of 1955
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

After being calibrated, those settings are supposed to result in the same sound level at the primary listening position, despite the speakers and room acoustics.

That's how I explained it to my wife. It doesn't matter if in a large theater size venue, a normal living room or a bathroom, 85dB is 85dB. The difference being, a theater venue might need ten times the equipment to reach the 85dB standard over the gear needed for a standard living room venue and a bathroom might need one tenth the gear to reach 85dB over the equipment necessary to reach the 85dB sound level standard in a living room. The THX mixing standard being a reference standard of 85dB with +20dB additional worth of headroom plus an addition 10dB for the subs.

I don't rightly understand the extra 10dB standard applied to point one channel. I just know it's there. Too lazy to look it up for IIRC, it's something about dialing the sub 10dB down so it has a 10dB up spike over the main soundtrack.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 9/11/12 at 12:41pm
post #1343 of 1955
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

I would say from my perspective, no it's not. Not sure what's what with what and your situation as at -48dB to -45dB, for television viewing, with the subs turned off, our setup is at a comfortable listening level. I'm not knocking your system or bragging on ours. My comments are strictly for the purpose of comparison. I asked my wife to come into the living room and we both did a sound check and she's good to go at the above stated level. Her hearing ability being a bit better than my ability and having tested my hearing, I'd say I have average, old man hearing; 10Hz > 14kHz with a 5dB hole about 4kHz.
We're running a Marantz, SR5007, a pair of Klipsch speakers that are the older brothers to the RF-7 II's (Epic, CF-3's) and a RC-64 II for a center channel at about a twelve foot listening distance in a 3,500^ft3 living room with a twelve foot cathedral ceiling and large openings leading into the kitchen which act as a sound baffle. Our surrounds are the older brothers to the RS-62 II's (KSP-S6) and are located above and behind the main listening position by about 6'. The speaker system has been acoustically dialed in using Audyssey, MultEQ XT.
The point of my above, with a properly balanced system that has been reasonably dialed in, one should not have any trouble hearing the television at -35dB. If anything, I'd say for casual television listening, -35dB would rationally qualify as loud. So unless one has something else going on in the room in which to cancel the speaker produced sound waves or they have competing noise coming from somewhere else, you might need to give your system a closer look to see why you're having trouble listening at -35dB.

Thanks for the detailed response, I'm 50 and my have suffered some determination in my hearing I thing it's consistent with my age and not abnormal. I'll go back through my setup again on Friday, my gut feel is that for the reasons you discuss something isnt right.

Thanks for taking the time to respond
post #1344 of 1955
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Originally Posted by KPT View Post

Thanks for taking the time to respond

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I checked the specs on your center channel and your mains and they're well matched for the frequency of human voiced dialogue. If I could suggest checking the placement of the center channel. If the center channel is too far back from the front of the edge of the table or shelf, or the main listening position is way off center channel, center axis by 15 - 30 degrees angle, that alone could totally kill your center channel sound quality.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 9/11/12 at 2:05pm
post #1345 of 1955
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Originally Posted by KPT View Post

Thanks for the detailed response, I'm 50 and my have suffered some determination in my hearing I thing it's consistent with my age and not abnormal. I'll go back through my setup again on Friday, my gut feel is that for the reasons you discuss something isnt right.
Thanks for taking the time to respond
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

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I checked the specs on your center channel and your mains and they're well matched for the frequency of human voiced dialogue. If I could suggest checking the placement of the center channel. If the center channel is too far back from the front of the edge of the table or shelf, or the main listening position is way off center channel, center axis by 15 - 30 degrees angle, that alone could totally kill your center channel sound quality.
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I wrote the previous post on my phone and meant to say that to the best of my knowledge my hearing has just suffered the normal deterioration associated with my age, i.e. it's still OK.

My center is in a cabinate (yes I know this is not preferred) but it's not rear ported and has an unobstructed path to the main listening position/area. From memory it sits reasonably level with the front of the cabinet and level with the front of the main speakers (+/- 1" or 2"). The main L/R speakers are approx. 12' apart and angled in to the main listening position, which is 14' from the center speaker. The main listerning position is pretty much centered on the center speaker.

The lack of loudness isn't just the center speaker dialog, it's the main L/R too.

Thanks for your thoughts, please keep them coming.
post #1346 of 1955
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Recently I've been listening to BDs with the volume set at about -20db. Louder than that is annoying to me, and 0db is almost painful. After being calibrated, those settings are supposed to result in the same sound level at the primary listening position, despite the speakers and room acoustics. I have to wonder what is going on that would cause Audyssey calibrations to result in such different audio comfort levels. Surely it can't all be due to people having damaged their hearing acuity at live concerts and mp3 players turned up too loud.

Thanks, that's what I was expecting - getting pretty painful at 0 dB level eek.gif
post #1347 of 1955
Just to be sure: you are calibrating with the microphone provided with the receiver, and with it on a stand and pointed at the ceiling, I hope. Some people have experimented with other orientations but their results, shall we say, haven't been ideal.
post #1348 of 1955
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Try rebooting the router and if not wired directly from the AVR, consider upgrading to a more robust/capable router and wireless bridge. Another option is using Powerline Adapters.

Have done that part too, many times.
And part of my problem solving to get the firmware to actually update meant I tried 2 more far more basic routers with the firewalls turned off, and still had no luck.
My current router is a Billion 7800N, a fantastic router that the AVR is directly connected to with CAT6 cable.
All items on the network are hard wired and the Marantz is the only thing to have any type of issue.

It's odd, at one stage the app would work fine and most features except the iPod player, or everything would work fine, but airplay still failed.
Now all the app sees is the WD TV.
post #1349 of 1955
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Just to be sure: you are calibrating with the microphone provided with the receiver, and with it on a stand and pointed at the ceiling, I hope. Some people have experimented with other orientations but their results, shall we say, haven't been ideal.

Yes using the provided mic pointed at the ceiling, the only deviation is that the mic is mounted on a small 4" camera tripod that is placed on the top of the seat back at approx. ear level instead of a proper floor mounted stand. No ideal but I don't think it would introduce the issue I appear to be having.

Thanks for the comment, appreciate the feedback
post #1350 of 1955
^^^

hmmm...

let's do some "outside verification"... do you happen to have a spl meter? if not, do you have a smartphone? if so, go download a freebie spl meter app for it (jl audio has one on the apple store if you are an apple wonk like me)... they aren't real "good" for precision work, but it'll do for this...

go here:

http://www.audiocheck.net/soundtestsaudiotesttones_index.php

and download the pink noise track...

fire it up... put the volume to 0db... measure... what do you get?
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