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post #1651 of 1972
4/10/12 at 11:03pm
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Originally Posted by jabba1900 View Post

I'm a bit of a lurker on these forums, and over the last few months I've done a ton of research to try and narrow down my options.

Last week I finally decided to buy a 46" ex723. From the service menu I determined that the panel number starts with LTY, which supposedly means it's a better panel (PVA). However, after having played with different setting for hours I just can't get satisfactory picture quality. I've heard others mention a hazy/grainy effect and that is exactly what I'm getting. Sharpness up or down, picture enhancement options on or off - makes no difference. I'm hooked up to a laptop through a DVI to HDMI cable and I'm viewing 720p MKVs. They look great on my 5-year old Panasonic plasma, but on the Sony the picture just looks slightly gray and grainy.

Now, before I return this set, I would love to hear what others have experienced in this respect. Would it make sense to exchange it to see if the PQ improves? Are there some settings that I should work with in particular to make the grainy effect go away? Is this something inherent in LCD/LED technology? I've only got experience with plasmas, so this is a new arena for me.

I actually bought an HX729 as well (to compare), but it is yet to be delivered and I'm considering cancelling the order if I'm just going to experience the same PQ issues with that set.

Any help would be appreciated!

The hazy effect is because of the panel - it's a matte panel with build in anti-glare technology that films over everything viewed on the tv. As you might have noticed, turning up brightness makes the hazy effect even worse. The HX729 is with a clear coat screen so you shouldn't experience the hazy effect.

Notable picture settings on Ex720

Backlight: 7
Contrast: 91
Brightness: 50
Colour: 55
Colour Temperature: Warm 1
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise reduction: Off
Motionflow: Off
Cinemotion: Off

You can read more about it here if you want: http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/...dl46ex720.html

Hope this helps
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post #1652 of 1972
4/11/12 at 12:36am
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Originally Posted by carageuw View Post

Will it mess up the 3D?

makes it better
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post #1653 of 1972
4/11/12 at 8:53am
Repsak100

Thanks for your reply, I tried several different settings including yours, allan2, cnet, and flatpanelHD but only allan2 seems to be good for my eyes. However, it's still not better than factory settings.

It's strange that these settings don't work for me as I have a Panny Plasma and a EX500 using AVS settings (both from ISF calibrators). Both work really well for me - Panny in bedroom, Sony EX500 in game rood.

For now, these factory scenes work just about right for me:

- Sport - normal TV programs, sport, game shows, nightly shows.
- Cinema - night time movie
- Standard - daytime movie, nighttime 3D movie
- Vivid - daytime 3D movie.

I think I am one of the happy owners as I don't see problems (knock on wood) with the TV at all.
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post #1654 of 1972
4/11/12 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by JeffreyP View Post

Repsak100

Thanks for your reply, I tried several different settings including yours, allan2, cnet, and flatpanelHD but only allan2 seems to be good for my eyes. However, it's still not better than factory settings.

It's strange that these settings don't work for me as I have a Panny Plasma and a EX500 using AVS settings (both from ISF calibrators). Both work really well for me - Panny in bedroom, Sony EX500 in game rood.

For now, these factory scenes work just about right for me:

- Sport - normal TV programs, sport, game shows, nightly shows.
- Cinema - night time movie
- Standard - daytime movie, nighttime 3D movie
- Vivid - daytime 3D movie.

I think I am one of the happy owners as I don't see problems (knock on wood) with the TV at all.

After some time with the settings with warm 2 and -16 green I began to notice a domination on green through the picture, so I don't use them anymore either actually..

You just made me curious about Allan2's settings so I tried them just now. I'm not fond of those advanced settings. They introduce false edges and live colour completely destroys detail on clothes. Black Corrector is cool sometimes, but it mostly oversaturates black in a way that makes it unrealistic (shadows on skin for example).

My opinion at least
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post #1655 of 1972
4/11/12 at 1:55pm
Repsak100

As I mentioned, allan2 setting is decent for my eyes but not really any better than default. Even worse are the others, all pictures seem to be washed out and not very watchable.

I suppose even same model has different value and must have been calibrated differently from factory. I would imaging the RGB value are also different.

I was able to get into hidden menu with my Panny's plasma and a JVC 56-fn97 (which I don't own any more) and set the RGB value. However, the two Sony that I have, I don't want to mess with them as the color was very nice from the start.
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post #1656 of 1972
4/14/12 at 9:16am
Hello,

It's my calibration:

Picture mode: Custom
Backlight 6
Contrast 96
Brightness: 44
Color: 50
Hue: 0
Sharpness: Min
Color temperature Warm2
Noise reduction Off
Mpeg noise reduction Off
Motionflow Fluid
Film-mode Auto 2
Black corrector Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer Off
Gamma 0
Auto Light Limiter Off
Clear White Off
Live Colour Off
Detail Enhancer: Low
Edge Enhancer: Off
R Gain -1
G Gain -7
B Gain -2
R Bias 0
G Bias 0
B Bias -1

Blu-ray :


Picture mode: Custom
Backlight 5
Contrast 94
Brightness: 46
Color: 50
Hue: 0
Sharpness: Min
Color temperature Warm2
Noise reduction Off
Mpeg noise reduction Off
Motionflow Fluid
Film-mode Off
Black corrector Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer Off
Gamma 0
Auto Light Limiter Off
Clear White Off
Live Colour Off
Detail Enhancer: Low
Edge Enhancer: Off
R Gain -1
G Gain -7
B Gain -1
R Bias 0
G Bias 0
B Bias -1


--Screen menu--
Setting Memory: [any]
Wide Mode: Full
Auto Wide: Off
4:3 Default: Off [grayed out]
Auto Display Area: Off
Display Area: Full Pixel

--Pro Picture Setup menu--
[all settings default/Auto]

--Home Menu>Settings>Preferences--

--Scene Select menu--
General

--Eco menu--
Power Saving: Off
Light Sensor: Off

What do you think?
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post #1657 of 1972
4/16/12 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by Repsak100 View Post

The hazy effect is because of the panel - it's a matte panel with build in anti-glare technology that films over everything viewed on the tv. As you might have noticed, turning up brightness makes the hazy effect even worse. The HX729 is with a clear coat screen so you shouldn't experience the hazy effect.

Notable picture settings on Ex720

Backlight: 7
Contrast: 91
Brightness: 50
Colour: 55
Colour Temperature: Warm 1
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise reduction: Off
Motionflow: Off
Cinemotion: Off

You can read more about it here if you want: http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/...dl46ex720.html

Hope this helps

Thank you for your reply - much appreciated.

I've actually already returned the TV and I'll be buying a plasma instead. I did a ton more research and realized in the end that edge lit LED LCDs are just a flawed technology. They all have issues unless you spend thousands of dollars, and even then the issues are there - just masked by better processor engines.

I'll be awaiting affordable OLED sets, but for the next few years I'll be enjoying a warm natural picture on a plasma that doesn't require over processing and tons of tweaking just to get adequate results.
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post #1658 of 1972
4/16/12 at 1:38pm
Guys, I have a great problem.

I just got a Sony EX720 and I am satisfied except one big issue. When I go to the Bravia Internet Video section and the 3D subsection I want to view a 3D clip. I power on the Sony BR250 glasses, it sais that the 3d signal is detected, I can see that the glasses are on (they flicker for a second) and the IR transmiter working (lights on). BUT the picture is the same as without glasses and I see no 3D.

I even took the glasses back and tried at the local store with a similar EX720 and it worked perfect (so the glasses are ok; I tried with Bravia Internet Video to be sure it works).

What do you think could be the problem? As the glasses are ok and the IR transmiter in the TV seems ok also (when a 3D clip is in view, if I put my hand over the IR Transmiter I can see the glasses loosing connection and flickering).

Thanks!
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post #1659 of 1972
4/16/12 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by jabba1900 View Post

Thank you for your reply - much appreciated.

I've actually already returned the TV and I'll be buying a plasma instead. I did a ton more research and realized in the end that edge lit LED LCDs are just a flawed technology. They all have issues unless you spend thousands of dollars, and even then the issues are there - just masked by better processor engines.

I'll be awaiting affordable OLED sets, but for the next few years I'll be enjoying a warm natural picture on a plasma that doesn't require over processing and tons of tweaking just to get adequate results.

It's true...plasma will give you better bang for the buck if you're mainly going to watch film content in a dark environment but they aren't perfect. A quality side lit LED set WILL cost more but give you a little more flexibility IMO. Just don't watch hockey on your new plasma.
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post #1660 of 1972
4/16/12 at 6:20pm
What's wrong with hockey on a plasma?
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post #1661 of 1972
4/16/12 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by Frank_K View Post

What's wrong with hockey on a plasma?

Plasmas don't typically do full screen white all that well IMO.
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post #1662 of 1972
4/17/12 at 7:22pm
Would any of the settings posted on this topic work on the EX710 with the same results or is the technology totally different?
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post #1663 of 1972
4/18/12 at 3:57pm
After the latest software update my TV has rebooted itself a few times now. Every few days the UI will become unresponsive for a few minutes and the TV will have to reboot itself. Anyone else running into this problem?
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post #1664 of 1972
4/18/12 at 9:25pm
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Originally Posted by ageedoy View Post

After the latest software update my TV has rebooted itself a few times now. Every few days the UI will become unresponsive for a few minutes and the TV will have to reboot itself. Anyone else running into this problem?

I had a reboot happen once since the latest software update. I unplugged the tv for a few minutes the next day though and so far no reboots.
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post #1665 of 1972
4/19/12 at 9:14am
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Originally Posted by xman_ghio View Post

Guys, I have a great problem.

I just got a Sony EX720 and I am satisfied except one big issue. When I go to the Bravia Internet Video section and the 3D subsection I want to view a 3D clip. I power on the Sony BR250 glasses, it sais that the 3d signal is detected, I can see that the glasses are on (they flicker for a second) and the IR transmiter working (lights on). BUT the picture is the same as without glasses and I see no 3D.

I even took the glasses back and tried at the local store with a similar EX720 and it worked perfect (so the glasses are ok; I tried with Bravia Internet Video to be sure it works).

What do you think could be the problem? As the glasses are ok and the IR transmiter in the TV seems ok also (when a 3D clip is in view, if I put my hand over the IR Transmiter I can see the glasses loosing connection and flickering).

Thanks!

Any feedback on this?

Regards
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post #1666 of 1972
4/19/12 at 9:53am
I too had the UI/reboot problem, and I too seem to have fixed it by unplugging the TV.

As for the above 3D problem, are you turning 3D on through the 3D menu? Most of the stuff thru Sony Online is frame packing 3D so it should be automatic. Maybe you are just one of the people who can't see 3D Seriosuly tho, the 3D is ******, but still visible. It would actually be pretty cool if it was uniform (instead of the SBS top 20% problem).
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post #1667 of 1972
4/19/12 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by xman_ghio View Post

Any feedback on this?

Regards

Did you try it with different 3D sources i.e. PS3, mkv files?

It took me a little bit of work to get 3D to work right - say PS3 setting, firmware update. Then mkv on media player, having to adjust TV setting in 3D mode.

All I can suggest is to play around with different 3D settings and sources.
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post #1668 of 1972
4/19/12 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by Briant73 View Post

I had a reboot happen once since the latest software update. I unplugged the tv for a few minutes the next day though and so far no reboots.

I have also had the reboots since the last update. Happened perhaps 3 times now, yesterday unplugged and did a up arrow side power button reset and hasn't done it since.
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post #1669 of 1972
4/19/12 at 8:49pm
I have the reboot thing happen every time I play a game on my ps3 but seems not to do his behavior when just watching HD cable though. I'll try unplugging the TV for a bit and see if it helps.
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post #1670 of 1972
4/20/12 at 7:40am
Hi all, Ive had my 60ex723 for a couple of months and I am extreamly pleased with it.

I recently purchased a calibration Blu-ray disk which has a bundle of awesome testcards to assist in adjusting colour, hue, brightness and contrast.

One testcard pattern showed a grid of horizontal and vertical black and white lines that are exactly one pixel apart. It was extreamly evident that I was getting a "moire" type of wavey distortion as the pixels coming from the blu-ray are not mapped 1:1 with the pixels on the TV. I am also suffering from about 3% overscan.

Is it possible to achieve a 1:1 pixel mapping, and in turn eliminate my overscan?
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post #1671 of 1972
4/20/12 at 8:16am
Yes, I had the same thing.
You have to set "full pixel" but I am not at home and can't remember which menu I found that adjustment.
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post #1672 of 1972
4/20/12 at 8:29am
OVERSCAN

With the remote control, hit HOME. Go to the menu all the way on the left, SETTINGS>Picture & Display>Screen>Auto Display OFF>Display Area FULL PIXEL. This adjustment must be made while you are tuned to a HiDef station, 1080i.

While you are in the same sub-menu, turn OFF Ambient Sensor and watch tv with it OFF for a while. You may find that the pq is brighter and the colors are more natural. At least, that's what it shows on my 60EX700. Also, for adjusting the TV with disks, make sure it's on OFF.
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post #1673 of 1972
4/20/12 at 3:25pm
[quote=hughh;21930272]OVERSCAN

With the remote control, hit HOME. Go to the menu all the way on the left, SETTINGS>Picture & Display>Screen>Auto Display OFF>Display Area FULL PIXEL. This adjustment must be made while you are tuned to a HiDef station, 1080i.

[quote]

Thank you, Hughh, but still no joy. I think my menus on my 60EX723 are different to yours. I found a "Wide Mode" setup menu with the options:

wide zoom
normal
full
zoom
captions

Changing this option basically cycles me around the various 4:3 and 16:9 stretching options. I have it set to "full", which is definitely the correct setting. You also mentioned "1080i". My BluRay play was set to 1080p. I changed it to 1080i which the TV detected, but i still have the moire effects when I view the "1-pixel wide" testcard and the scaling testcard still indicates that I have about 3% overscan.

TESTCARD IMAGE
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post #1674 of 1972
4/20/12 at 3:49pm
For the moment, let's make it simple. Go to a station that you know it's broadcasting a show on 1080i. Go down past the area where it allows the selection of Full, Wide Zoom, etc.
You should be now on Auto Display Area which defaults to Auto. Change it to OFF. The next one should be Display Area, if you are on a 1080i program and you have turned Auto Display Area to OFF, then you should be able to select FULL PIXELL or Normal.

Forget about using the BlRay player for this adjustment. All of these EX Sony TV have the same basic adjustment and menu.
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post #1675 of 1972
4/20/12 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by hughh View Post

For the moment, let's make it simple. Go to a station that you know it's broadcasting a show on 1080i. Go down past the area where it allows the selection of Full, Wide Zoom, etc.
You should be now on Auto Display Area which defaults to Auto. Change it to OFF. The next one should be Display Area, if you are on a 1080i program and you have turned Auto Display Area to OFF, then you should be able to select FULL PIXELL or Normal.

Forget about using the BlRay player for this adjustment. All of these EX Sony TV have the same basic adjustment and menu.

You sir, are a legend! Thanks! Found it!

The 1-pixel lines and squares look perfect and the overscan is now perfect. You may still see moire artifacts in the image, but that has been caused by my camera.
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post #1676 of 1972
4/20/12 at 4:26pm
Glad you got it, Brendan!

Legend? Hmmm...legend noun
1 myth, saga, epic, tale, story, folk tale, folk story, fairy tale, fable, mythos, folklore, lore, mythology, fantasy, oral history, folk tradition; urban myth.

Yep!
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post #1677 of 1972
4/21/12 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by overture1928 View Post

I have the exact same model LN40B530 but 40" as you can see. I just buyed the 40EX720 and it happens to have the MVA panel, which is not bad at all. Of course, I assume that the PVA is better. I've compared those side by side, and to be honest I'm a bit dissapointed here. The EX720 performed worst in SD definition and sometimes the colors looks washed out compared to the Sammy. So my advice would be that if you are not sure, you should check other alternatives to this one.

To be clear this is not a bad TV, it performed really well in HD, but to me it was not a big improvement over my previous TV, so I'm thinking in returning it.

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Originally Posted by overture1928 View Post

I have the exact same model LN40B530 but 40" as you can see. I just buyed the 40EX720 and it happens to have the MVA panel, which is not bad at all. Of course, I assume that the PVA is better. I've compared those side by side, and to be honest I'm a bit dissapointed here. The EX720 performed worst in SD definition and sometimes the colors looks washed out compared to the Sammy. So my advice would be that if you are not sure, you should check other alternatives to this one.

To be clear this is not a bad TV, it performed really well in HD, but to me it was not a big improvement over my previous TV, so I'm thinking in returning it.

Greetings all,

Have a 40EX720 on it's way and right up until the above post thought I was "safe" and assured of an S-PVA panel . Reason was a table on a british equivalent of this site which differentiated the panels for this series only based on screen size so far, with pretty much only the 37 having an MVA panel. 60 not listed and 55 is not sold here afaik ...
But perhaps this is region specific and only for (continental) Europe, which made me wonder where mr. overture is from?

Personally don't care for 3D and of the little remaining 2011 stock was down to this and the Panny E30 but the physical design and better internet features and menu's had this on top of my first shortlist (plus 3D as a bonus, for when I ever get a 3D capable handycam, at the same price + free wifi dongle). Unfortunately it sold out locally on a one day sale back in February, the very day I left for holiday, so now mailordered . (2nd choice was Phillips 42 7606 but also sold out) Also no successor in the 2012 lineup as far as I could tell to wait for ...

Have pretty much gone over this entire topic over the past few days and "interesting" to find out the recording feature is European only(?) so will surely be checking it out from DVB-C signal ...
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post #1678 of 1972
4/22/12 at 7:58am
Hi!

I got a 55EX720 and when I make the screen total white I get like a flashlight effect in black, see attached picture (just right to the center/bottom of tv). I have been reading some and I guess this is called DSE/Dirty screen? This effect is visable all the time but is seen when there are bright colors whatever it is a still image or moving one.

I have had the TV for about one month but since I just moved I haven't discovered this until now when I have started to watch tv more.

I have tried to adjust different settings but I really can't get any difference so I guess this is a warranty question?

Any thoughts or other input? I am planning to call Sony tomorrow on Monday.
LL
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post #1679 of 1972
4/23/12 at 4:52am
Hi everyone, I'm currently using my Ex720 mostly for playing PS3. Any recommendations on the best display settings possible? Always wondering why tv display in stores seems to be better than my TV, even with an older tv e.g ex520. I'm using Vivid Picture mode at the moment, as It provides brightness and the color seems better.
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post #1680 of 1972
4/23/12 at 8:32am
Expirienced users of this TV i require assistance.

I have myself a 46EX720, picture is great and am very happy with that. The one thing im not happy with is input lag, ive changed it to game mode but still notice some delay although greatly reduced. Im using it connected to my PC via HDMI but have used VGA and it made no diff.

Any advice ?


Cheers
Dan
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