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post #241 of 1975
6/17/11 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by CaliCool View Post

I just turned off Light Sensor. Will try and see if I'm happy after a week! (Black level versus an overall brighter image)

Also, switched to a high speed Sony 1.3 cable. I don't know how old my former cable was, but maybe it wasn't in the high speed category. Maybe it's the new high speed cable, maybe setting the IP conversion to Speed, or just maybe both. Jacked NBA 2K11 to my PS3 and it did improve the framerate of the 3D considerably. Before it was hellacious, but now it really is good.

Yeah the Light Sensor, I'm not sure if I like it on or off yet for Cable tv. For anything else I have it off though.
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post #242 of 1975
6/17/11 at 9:55pm
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Originally Posted by bitterkevin View Post

My settings.

I have fiddled with everything and nothing alters the 3D crosstalk. Interestingly, 3D mode locks your TV into MAX backlight and turns power saving off. Also, Motionflow is greyed out.

Default brightness is perfect for YCC709 and Full RGB, as you can "barely see" the thing in Xbox game test patterns you are supposed to barely see on default. I also used the nifty indie game app TV Calibration. That app also showed me Full Pixel is not on by default.

Hmm... MotionFlow is not greyed out when playing Blu Ray Discs (2D or 3D) in my PS3. NBA 2K11 only greys it out (I think its 3D is just side by side?) The rest, I can set MotionFlow to Standard and Smooth at will.
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post #243 of 1975
6/17/11 at 10:00pm
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Originally Posted by CaliCool View Post

Hmm... MotionFlow is not greyed out when playing Blu Ray Discs (2D or 3D) in my PS3. NBA 2K11 only greys it out (I think its 3D is just side by side?) The rest, I can set MotionFlow to Standard and Smooth at will.

Same with hx929 and hx909. No motion flow with side by side either. Then again, there isn't a flicker when it's off like regular octane Blu-Ray 3D.
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post #244 of 1975
6/17/11 at 10:52pm
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To those with Light Sensor Off,

Don't you find the black levels lacking? I mean the top and bottom black borders are like blue/purpleish. Plus when it's an all black scenes clouding is everywhere!

Couldn't last a day with it Off. Turned it back On. 5 Backlight for Daytime viewing, 2 for night.

EDIT:

All Side by Side 3D content sucks. I just realized. Downloaded Virtua Tennis 4 and it was Cross Talk galore for me. Seems like niko and bitter are right and I'm afraid that it's an All TV issue. No problems whatsoever with my Blu Rays though so I'm happy with that. (And Crysis 2!)
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post #245 of 1975
6/18/11 at 3:31pm
Currently have the Samsung LN40A650 in my bedroom and was looking to upgrade.

If I am not interested in 3D would this model be a waste? Would the 620 be a better choice?
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post #246 of 1975
6/18/11 at 4:56pm
DO NOT BUY THIS TV FOR 3D! As we have discovered, side by side sources look like total ass.

About black levels, I do not expect much from LCDs blacks, but I find this phenomenal. At 5 backlight, light sensor off, I have two little spotlights in the bottom corners but otherwise the contrast is incredible. Even if i turn it down to Minimum they are still visible so I find 5 a great trade off for incredible contrast. EX720 does not have active local dimming so the light sensor changes the whole picture's brightness, which is something I don't like. I am really impressed with the TV's out of box performance with all bells and whistles turned off.

I really love this TV's 2D performance- it is only the 3D that is lacking. If you have Sony stuff (PS3/Blu Ray) the 3D is much better (frame packing signals). But if you have a 360 or FIOS motorola cable box, they only do side by side, and Sony neglected their translation of these signals.

Hey Squatch, i totally disagree with your settings (my reds smear to all hell with that setup in TV Calibration Indie Game), but what output do you use for 360's HDMI color space? I use 709. I noticed we can use Full RGB but you have to set it manually in Pro Picture Setup, because it will not auto switch. Set 360 to RGB, Expanded Reference Levels, and Pro Pic Setup->HDMI Range->Full. I didn't notice a difference between this and 709 in most games tho. What would be the better setting: RGB Full or 709?
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post #247 of 1975
6/18/11 at 5:39pm
The Ex620 looks very similar to the EX720 but without the 3d option. Maybe I will go that route.

How are the speakers on the TV? I have the Sony HTC300 speaker bar in the bedroom but really would love to just use the speakers built in.
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post #248 of 1975
6/18/11 at 5:55pm
*New* Xbox 360 Calibrated In Dark Room (Games Only)

Picture Mode: Custom/ Scene-Game Original
Backlight: 5
Picture: 95
Brightness: 50
Color: 52
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Neutral
Sharpness: 50
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Motionflow: Off
CineMotion: Off

--Advanced Settings menu--
Black Corrector: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Gamma: 0
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: Off
Live Color: Off
Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge Enhancer: Off
Skin Naturalizer: Off [grayed out]
i/p Conversion Preference: Speed

--White Balance menu--
R-Gain: 0
G-Gain: 0
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0

--Screen menu--
Setting Memory: [any]
Wide Mode: Full
Auto Wide: Off
4:3 Default: Off [grayed out]
Auto Display Area: Off
Display Area: Full Pixel
Screen Position: [grayed out]

--Pro Picture Setup menu--
[all settings default/Auto]

--Home Menu>Settings>Preferences--

--Scene Select menu--
Game Original

--Eco menu--
Power Saving: Off
Light Sensor: Off.
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post #249 of 1975
6/18/11 at 6:09pm
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Originally Posted by bitterkevin View Post

DO NOT BUY THIS TV FOR 3D! As we have discovered, side by side sources look like total ass.

About black levels, I do not expect much from LCDs blacks, but I find this phenomenal. At 5 backlight, light sensor off, I have two little spotlights in the bottom corners but otherwise the contrast is incredible. Even if i turn it down to Minimum they are still visible so I find 5 a great trade off for incredible contrast. EX720 does not have active local dimming so the light sensor changes the whole picture's brightness, which is something I don't like. I am really impressed with the TV's out of box performance with all bells and whistles turned off.

I really love this TV's 2D performance- it is only the 3D that is lacking. If you have Sony stuff (PS3/Blu Ray) the 3D is much better (frame packing signals). But if you have a 360 or FIOS motorola cable box, they only do side by side, and Sony neglected their translation of these signals.

Hey Squatch, i totally disagree with your settings (my reds smear to all hell with that setup in TV Calibration Indie Game), but what output do you use for 360's HDMI color space? I use 709. I noticed we can use Full RGB but you have to set it manually in Pro Picture Setup, because it will not auto switch. Set 360 to RGB, Expanded Reference Levels, and Pro Pic Setup->HDMI Range->Full. I didn't notice a difference between this and 709 in most games tho. What would be the better setting: RGB Full or 709?

I use RGB Full.
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post #250 of 1975
6/18/11 at 9:34pm
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Hey Sasquatch. Why did you change your color temp?
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post #251 of 1975
6/18/11 at 9:50pm
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Originally Posted by CaliCool View Post

Hey Sasquatch. Why did you change your color temp?

I'm not sure yet. I will be testing backlight at 2 and Warm 2 and backlight at 5 and Neutral in the next couple of days.
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post #252 of 1975
6/18/11 at 11:18pm
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Originally Posted by Sasquatch321 View Post


I'm not sure yet. I will be testing backlight at 2 and Warm 2 and backlight at 5 and Neutral in the next couple of days.

Neutral plus a higher backlight will surely generate a brighter picture, but nowadays I find it bluer than usual thus Bytehoven suggested a -2 in Blue Bias. Worked well for me.

Right now I have yet to zero in with settings that I'm content with. Especially with the Light Sensor. I'm sitting 6-7 feet from my 46 incher. Sharpness at 0-50 really look similar to me, almost no change.

Maybe a good weekend (Wed-Thurs for me lol) will give me enough time to test further and report. Happy with CNET settings, watched Pirates 1. If it wasnt for that darned DSE then I'll be happier.
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post #253 of 1975
6/19/11 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by CaliCool View Post

To those with Light Sensor Off,

Don't you find the black levels lacking? I mean the top and bottom black borders are like blue/purpleish. Plus when it's an all black scenes clouding is everywhere!

Couldn't last a day with it Off. Turned it back On. 5 Backlight for Daytime viewing, 2 for night.

EDIT:

All Side by Side 3D content sucks. I just realized. Downloaded Virtua Tennis 4 and it was Cross Talk galore for me. Seems like niko and bitter are right and I'm afraid that it's an All TV issue. No problems whatsoever with my Blu Rays though so I'm happy with that. (And Crysis 2!)

I'll try to adjust my eyes with the light sensor on, since yes, the blacks are amazing that way. However I don't know how you can view it with your backlight at only at 2 to 5 since I'm currently sitting at 10 and I find the picture to be a tad too dim. Viewing movies that way is great at night, so I'll keep that in mind, but it might not be bright enough for games.

Where did you download the Virtua Tennis 4 3D demo btw, or are you talking about the 3D video on PSN?
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post #254 of 1975
6/19/11 at 9:01am
I was using RGB Full for Xbox but i started getting some freezing so fearing a red ring, I went back to 709 I prefer neutral as well because it is more of a computer monitor look as opposed to a film look, and the whites are excellent on this TV. White is actually white instead of reddish or bluish.

10 backlight too dim?!? That must be the light sensor. I remember cranking mine up to 10 and thinking "why doesn't it look as bright as retail mode?" before I turned off power saver and light sensor.
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post #255 of 1975
6/19/11 at 9:05am
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I was referring to the video off PSN.

Side by Side does suck with this TV, that I agree with. NBA 2K11 is not THAT bad though (I believe it's also SBS since MotionFlow is greyed). The only problem I have with it is the framerate. Sometimes it really lags but setting the IP Conversion to Speed helped massage it. I also noticed some crosstalk.

Regarding the Light Sensor. In lights off mode, Light Sensor ON helps with the screen but then again it really is too dim for anyone's liking. I'll try it with OFF, and cut my fingers in the mean time so that I don't change picture settings on a daily basis. I'll try it with Off and MotionFlow set to Clear for now.
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post #256 of 1975
6/19/11 at 9:08am
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Originally Posted by bitterkevin View Post

I was using RGB Full for Xbox but i started getting some freezing so fearing a red ring, I went back to 709 I prefer neutral as well because it is more of a computer monitor look as opposed to a film look, and the whites are excellent on this TV. White is actually white instead of reddish or bluish.

10 backlight too dim?!? That must be the light sensor. I remember cranking mine up to 10 and thinking "why doesn't it look as bright as retail mode?" before I turned off power saver and light sensor.

Yeah I'm talking about 10 with the light sensor on . Without it I'm down to 2, combined with Power Saving Low (I like my picture to have the best blacks possible)
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post #257 of 1975
6/19/11 at 11:20am
Cable TV Calibrated Via Light Sensor On In Dark Room

Picture Mode: Custom
Backlight: 2
Picture: 95
Brightness: 54
Color: 53
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Warm 2
Sharpness: Min
Noise Reduction: Auto
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Motionflow: Off
CineMotion: Off

--Advanced Settings menu--
Black Corrector: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Gamma: +1
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: Off
Live Color: Off
Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge Enhancer: Off
Skin Naturalizer: Off [grayed out]
i/p Conversion Preference: Quality

--White Balance menu--
R-Gain: -2
G-Gain: 0
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: -2
G-Bias: -2
B-Bias: -2

--Screen menu--
Setting Memory: [any]
Wide Mode: Full
Auto Wide: Off
4:3 Default: Off [grayed out]
Auto Display Area: Off
Display Area: Normal
Screen Position: [grayed out]

--Pro Picture Setup menu--
[all settings default/Auto]

--Home Menu>Settings>Preferences--

--Scene Select menu--
General

--Eco menu--
Power Saving: Off
Light Sensor: On
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post #258 of 1975
6/19/11 at 11:33am
Warmed up the set this time for a few hours and recalibrated it with DVE and AVS Calibration Disc (both on HD DVD on the HD-XA2), since the PS3 clips the blacks.

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Power Saving: Low
Light Sensor: Off

Picture Mode: Custom / Game-Original
Backlight: 2
Picture: 94 (3D: Max)
Brightness: 54
Color: 52
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Warm 1
Sharpness: 50
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Motionflow: Off
CineMotion: Off

--Advanced Settings menu--
Black Corrector: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off (3D: High)
Gamma: 0 (3D: +1)
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: Off
Live Color: Off
Detail Enhancer: Off (3D: High)
Edge Enhancer: Off
Skin Naturalizer: Off
i/p Conversion Preference: (3D: Speed)

--White Balance menu--
R-Gain: -2
G-Gain: 0
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: -2
G-Bias: -2
B-Bias: -2

As far as 3D Side-by-Side mode goes, I downloaded the demo of The Dishwasher: Vampire Smile demo on my 360 since I remembered seeing a 3D mode for the game. Turned the option on and switched the 3D Display to Side-by-Side and it looks great, I didn't even noticed much crosstalk, if any at all actually. Too bad there aren't any more available on the store that I'm aware of so I can test it any further.

Edit: Found another: 3D Infinity (XBLA Indy Games). The 3D menu looks AWFUL. However once in-game it doesn't look too bad, especially comparing to the menu. Crosstalk is noticeable but bearable. Looks like the 3D quality depends on the source.
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post #259 of 1975
6/19/11 at 3:28pm
Dishwasher 2 has very subtle 3D so that's why you don't see it. Try Crysis 2. The top 1/4 of the screen looks TERRIBLE. I Just beat CoD Black Ops again and that didn't look too bad, but there is the dreaded double vision at the top of the screen. Compared to Crysis, the 3D effect is minimal, so the crosstaqlk is less noticable. Crysis actually looks better if you dial the 3D Depth down to 0 (default is 50); you can actually see the images at the top of the screen coming together as you dial it down.
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post #260 of 1975
6/20/11 at 12:49am
I just got a 32EX720 from Amazon and there is something that looks like an oily greasy film on the screen that I can't fully remove. I've tried using dry microfiber cloths and microfiber cloths with distilled water and with soap water they didn't work nor did two different lcd cleaning gels. Anyone else had this issue or have a suggestion on what to try? Should I just try and return it?
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post #261 of 1975
6/20/11 at 3:53am
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I just got a 32EX720 from Amazon and there is something that looks like an oily greasy film on the screen that I can't fully remove. I've tried using dry microfiber cloths and microfiber cloths with distilled water and with soap water they didn't work nor did two different lcd cleaning gels. Anyone else had this issue or have a suggestion on what to try? Should I just try and return it?

I have it on my set too. It's what I call the Dirty Screen (Effect). You'll notice it more when the camera pans between scenes.

I'm researching on the matter more. Haven't tried cleaning it with liquid yet (I'm scared that it might do harm to the screen). Maybe someone with extensive experience on this Dirty Screen effect may help us. For now, it's irritating me but not enough to make me bash the set. (Though I've called already for home visit)
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post #262 of 1975
6/20/11 at 8:59am
I do not see this greasy film you guys have... but then again I cleaned my screen with windex wipes right out of the box

I tried Backlight 2 Warm 2 last night... holy bejeebus, you guys must really like sepia filters
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post #263 of 1975
6/20/11 at 9:21am
Nice to see everyone's comments on their experiences.

I got the 55EX620 as a replacement for my 55WF655 and because there is not much difference in the panel between EX620 and EX720 (except for 3D), I decided to post it here as it seems the EX720 is the more popular model.

I love the quality of this television set, however, on cable tv (Rogers HD box somehow stuck on 1080i resolution) or on ps3 blu ray, I am seeing that though the blacks are ready rich in intensity, their colour depth is too deep. For example, when I see Black Hawk Down on blu ray, the black is so deep that I can't even make out the dark scenes (including skin tones) in many cases. This is true during morning (lots of sunlight) or the evening as well (almost dark room)

Settings:
* Stock settings with scene selected to auto

Environment:
* Wall hung at around seating height
* Plenty of light coming into the room from the left wall (its all windows on the left wall).

Anyone have any idea on what to do to make the blacks / darker environments a little better to see?
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post #264 of 1975
6/20/11 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by bitterkevin View Post

I do not see this greasy film you guys have... but then again I cleaned my screen with windex wipes right out of the box

I tried Backlight 2 Warm 2 last night... holy bejeebus, you guys must really like sepia filters

LOL! I don't know. Have you tried implementing the White Balance though? It's barely sepia for me now.

In my former sets I'll admit that Warm 2 sucks, but this set seems to nail it.
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post #265 of 1975
6/20/11 at 10:07am
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Originally Posted by coolguy_y View Post

Nice to see everyone's comments on their experiences.

I got the 55EX620 as a replacement for my 55WF655 and because there is not much difference in the panel between EX620 and EX720 (except for 3D), I decided to post it here as it seems the EX720 is the more popular model.

I love the quality of this television set, however, on cable tv (Rogers HD box somehow stuck on 1080i resolution) or on ps3 blu ray, I am seeing that though the blacks are ready rich in intensity, their colour depth is too deep. For example, when I see Black Hawk Down on blu ray, the black is so deep that I can't even make out the dark scenes (including skin tones) in many cases. This is true during morning (lots of sunlight) or the evening as well (almost dark room)

Settings:
* Stock settings with scene selected to auto

Environment:
* Wall hung at around seating height
* Plenty of light coming into the room from the left wall (its all windows on the left wall).

Anyone have any idea on what to do to make the blacks / darker environments a little better to see?

I can't remember the default settings but it is essential that you edit your settings away from the default. People in here will tell you that the Advance Settings will veer away from the "natural picture" look.

Now that you mentioned plenty of light coming, you have to counter that with a higher backlight. Plus, remember to turn off Light Senser from the System Settings -> Eco. It's ON by default, and drastically dims the picture.

For starters, you can try this and it will make a notable improvelent on your darker environments.

Light Sensor: OFF

Backlight: 5
Brightness: 51
Color Temp: Neutral
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post #266 of 1975
6/20/11 at 10:19am
Stock settings also have Contrast Enhancer and Black Enhancer ON- I would turn them OFF. Turn off everything under Advanced Settings and try what Cali said. Use Scene->General-> Custom. If that still looks too dark, try bumping up the Gamma under Advanced settings. Black Hawk Down is a very dark movie tho- it was filmed to have a very stark contrast between deep black.

Also under Eco- turn off Power Saver for now, to see if that helps you.
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post #267 of 1975
6/20/11 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by CaliCool View Post
To those with Light Sensor Off,

Don't you find the black levels lacking? I mean the top and bottom black borders are like blue/purpleish. Plus when it's an all black scenes clouding is everywhere!

Couldn't last a day with it Off. Turned it back On. 5 Backlight for Daytime viewing, 2 for night.

EDIT:

All Side by Side 3D content sucks. I just realized. Downloaded Virtua Tennis 4 and it was Cross Talk galore for me. Seems like niko and bitter are right and I'm afraid that it's an All TV issue. No problems whatsoever with my Blu Rays though so I'm happy with that. (And Crysis 2!)
Does Alice in wonderland look good to you in 3D, it looked like complete crap to me?
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post #268 of 1975
6/21/11 at 9:48am
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I'll check for you. So far I've only watched Monster House, Resident Evil, Step Up, Legends of the Guardian in 3D. (With a lot of backlog!) All exhibited normal behavior, but noticed on Step Up that some scenes were blurry. Especially the highly touted "first battle" scene that everyone was raving about. Turned off MotionFlow along with Cinemotion and it was really fine after that. No ghosting whatsover.

What saddens me though, is that LCDs have perpetual problems. Why can't we just have a perfect set? The Main Event has clouding issues, niko and bitter has crosstalk issues, I have DSE. We just can't catch a break. I also give up on this hobby. Seems like a yearly change of TV wont do it for me now. Maye I'll wait for 3-4 years before I buy a new one regardless of the brand.
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post #269 of 1975
6/21/11 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by CaliCool View Post

I'll check for you. So far I've only watched Monster House, Resident Evil, Step Up, Legends of the Guardian in 3D. (With a lot of backlog!) All exhibited normal behavior, but noticed on Step Up that some scenes were blurry. Especially the highly touted "first battle" scene that everyone was raving about. Turned off MotionFlow along with Cinemotion and it was really fine after that. No ghosting whatsover.

What saddens me though, is that LCDs have perpetual problems. Why can't we just have a perfect set? The Main Event has clouding issues, niko and bitter has crosstalk issues, I have DSE. We just can't catch a break. I also give up on this hobby. Seems like a yearly change of TV wont do it for me now. Maye I'll wait for 3-4 years before I buy a new one regardless of the brand.

This replacement LCD will be my 5th different TV in 2 years. There always seems to be some issue. These companies need to get better quality control. Really the best one ive had so far is the 46inch Sony thats in my bedroom.
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post #270 of 1975
6/21/11 at 4:02pm
I now have the 3D glasses for this tv.

My initial impression from some simulated 2d to 3d viewing over cable tv is that the good of it outweighs the bad.
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