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post #391 of 1972
7/15/11 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by oldmanyoung View Post

From the PS3. The double vision is unbearable, especially when it gets to night.

I am surprised you never had a problem with movies. In fact, if i could play movie content without problems, i would be happy with the set.

What are you settings for 3D?



Haven't noticed any. I turn Motionflow/Cinema modes off for gaming as i dislike the random smooth jerks. I also play on the 'Game' scene.

Yes, in fact I don't... In all honesty. I've watched a lot. If you read my previous posts, the only title that I had crosstalk problems was Step Up 3D. Maybe because the 3D strength of the movie is strong by default, and I had my settings with most, like Kevin would say, bells and whistles ON. After applying the settings below, the blurriness were rid.

Here are my 3D settings.

For 3D Viewing
[Picture Adjustments menu]
Setting Memory: [any]
Picture Mode: Custom
Backlight: MAX (By default)
Picture: MAX
Brightness: 50
Color: 53
Color Temperature: Warm 2
Sharpness: 3
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Motionflow: Off
CineMotion: Off
(Since we can't use Clear, there's no sense in setting CineMotion)

[Advanced Settings menu]
Black Corrector: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Gamma: 0 (Since we have ramped up backlight, it's best to leave this 0)
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: Off
Live Color: Off
Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge Enhancer: Off
Skin Naturalizer: Off [DEFAULT]
i/p Conversion Preference: Quality [DEFAULT]

[White Balance menu]
R-Gain: -2
G-Gain: 0
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: -2
G-Bias: -2
B-Bias: -2

My 2D settings are almost the same, except for some minor changes.

I've watched Legends of the Guardians in both 2D and 3D (separate discs). Seems like we need some minor changes on the White Balance when switching to 3D.
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post #392 of 1972
7/15/11 at 10:35pm
I tried Clear tonight with Xbox (Fallout 3) and it was a pretty cool effect... it almost looked like my old CRT HDTV. I think it gave me a headache tho

There is a new 3D channel under Internet Video with all sorts of free stuff (movie trailers, ESPN 3D, music videos, etc) that is probably in Frame Pack format... I haven't checked any of it out yet but it should be a good test of 3D performance.

Also more good news- the VP of Sony Customer Service (a really cool guy) said he would look into this problem for us and get an answer from the engineers. Unlike the Sony Forums Mod, I trust this guy- he helped me out a lot with my SXRD problem. Hopefully we will at least get an answer, good or bad, next week.
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post #393 of 1972
7/15/11 at 11:16pm
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Originally Posted by bitterkevin View Post

I tried Clear tonight with Xbox (Fallout 3) and it was a pretty cool effect... it almost looked like my old CRT HDTV. I think it gave me a headache tho

There is a new 3D channel under Internet Video with all sorts of free stuff (movie trailers, ESPN 3D, music videos, etc) that is probably in Frame Pack format... I haven't checked any of it out yet but it should be a good test of 3D performance.

Also more good news- the VP of Sony Customer Service (a really cool guy) said he would look into this problem for us and get an answer from the engineers. Unlike the Sony Forums Mod, I trust this guy- he helped me out a lot with my SXRD problem. Hopefully we will at least get an answer, good or bad, next week.

You tried clear and? Which Cinemotion? Did you leave Cinemotion off? Don't forget to ramp up the Backlight to not less than 5!

Clear gives a drastic change though in screen brightness, much like Light Sensor. (But not as dark as Light Sensor, I am never turning it on anymore)

Clear Plus gives the best smoothing performance, without any noticeable effect but it's too much. (In terms of dimming the picture)

That's great news indeed! Would you be getting a PS3 Kev? Add me up if you are, Stardust looks awesome on 3D! WipeOut HD too, though by default the 3D effect is set at zero (wtf).
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post #394 of 1972
7/16/11 at 4:00am
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Originally Posted by CaliCool View Post

Yes, in fact I don't... In all honesty. I've watched a lot. If you read my previous posts, the only title that I had crosstalk problems was Step Up 3D. Maybe because the 3D strength of the movie is strong by default, and I had my settings with most, like Kevin would say, bells and whistles ON. After applying the settings below, the blurriness were rid.

Here are my 3D settings.

For 3D Viewing
[Picture Adjustments menu]
Setting Memory: [any]
Picture Mode: Custom
Backlight: MAX (By default)
Picture: MAX
Brightness: 50
Color: 53
Color Temperature: Warm 2
Sharpness: 3
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Motionflow: Off
CineMotion: Off
(Since we can't use Clear, there's no sense in setting CineMotion)

[Advanced Settings menu]
Black Corrector: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Gamma: 0 (Since we have ramped up backlight, it's best to leave this 0)
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: Off
Live Color: Off
Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge Enhancer: Off
Skin Naturalizer: Off [DEFAULT]
i/p Conversion Preference: Quality [DEFAULT]

[White Balance menu]
R-Gain: -2
G-Gain: 0
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: -2
G-Bias: -2
B-Bias: -2

My 2D settings are almost the same, except for some minor changes.

I've watched Legends of the Guardians in both 2D and 3D (separate discs). Seems like we need some minor changes on the White Balance when switching to 3D.

Thanks! Lemme try the settings now and see if it helps any.

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Originally Posted by bitterkevin View Post

Also more good news- the VP of Sony Customer Service (a really cool guy) said he would look into this problem for us and get an answer from the engineers. Unlike the Sony Forums Mod, I trust this guy- he helped me out a lot with my SXRD problem. Hopefully we will at least get an answer, good or bad, next week.

Awesome news indeed. Is there a way we can track the conversation, or was it private? Certainly anticipating an answer now!
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post #395 of 1972
7/16/11 at 4:30am
The settings actually made it worse, lol! There is a lot more double vision and more blurriness as well.

Ahh screw it. Nothing to bother with 3D unless we have a solution. I will keep the TV till 6months, then sell it off for something that works.
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post #396 of 1972
7/16/11 at 6:18am
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Originally Posted by hazz View Post

Has anyone seen this yet?http://en.akihabaranews.com/101441/h...%80%9D-lcd-tvs I watched a few 3d clips and they look ok on my kdl-40 ex723 Sony3D Experience free clips.

I did. And it looks decent. Some of the sports content look pretty good actually. It's a really nice bonus for Sony 3DTV owners.
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post #397 of 1972
7/16/11 at 7:45am
Where can i find that 3D Experience section? I don't have it here!
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post #398 of 1972
7/16/11 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by oldmanyoung View Post

The settings actually made it worse, lol! There is a lot more double vision and more blurriness as well.

Ahh screw it. Nothing to bother with 3D unless we have a solution. I will keep the TV till 6months, then sell it off for something that works.

Wow... Can't believe it. I've had problems before with bluriness and crosstalk but turning off Motion Flow and Cinemotion helped it. Nothing to advise now... other than just checking if the glasses are ON. LOL.

I have three glasses. Two rechargeable, and one 2010. The 2010 glasses needed to be pressed twice for the 3D to be activated. I thought it wasn't compatible with my set and I immediately called the Sony Shop. Good thing my girl friend double checked!
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post #399 of 1972
7/16/11 at 9:31am
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Originally Posted by CaliCool View Post

Wow... Can't believe it. I've had problems before with bluriness and crosstalk but turning off Motion Flow and Cinemotion helped it. Nothing to advise now... other than just checking if the glasses are ON. LOL.

I have three glasses. Two rechargeable, and one 2010. The 2010 glasses needed to be pressed twice for the 3D to be activated. I thought it wasn't compatible with my set and I immediately called the Sony Shop. Good thing my girl friend double checked!

Lol! Nah, of course it's on. I can see the depth change.

Hoping the Sony exec answers back!
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post #400 of 1972
7/16/11 at 9:44am
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Last one... and do this for me please.

Change the Glasses Brightness. During 3D mode, press the "3D" on your remote and make sure the depth is at 0 (median) and the brightness at auto.
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post #401 of 1972
7/16/11 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by oldmanyoung View Post

Where can i find that 3D Experience section? I don't have it here!

Under "BRAVIA Internet VIdeo"

Watched most of them, and there are some GREAT 3D demo material in there. Everyone here should check it out, especially if you've been disappointed by the 3D thus far.
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post #402 of 1972
7/16/11 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by bitterkevin View Post
I also use Game Mode which turns off all the post processing, and I can tell you motion blur is NOT a problem. CoD and other FPS look GREAT. It's a big step up from my last TV. Lag is also minimal, because playing on this TV made all my games feel more responsive.

After learning about Clear's black frame insertion, I am curious to try that with gaming. However, it will create lag. Turning on Motionflow causes the sound to reset to match the video, so I know it is creating some lag.
That's what I'm afraid of, but check this post out.

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Originally Posted by bitterkevin View Post
I tried Clear tonight with Xbox (Fallout 3) and it was a pretty cool effect... it almost looked like my old CRT HDTV. I think it gave me a headache tho
Sweet, that's what I'm looking for. Will have to check this out. I've been looking a long time for an LCD that can replace my Trinitron for gaming. I'm very sensitive to LCD sample-and-hold blur.
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post #403 of 1972
7/16/11 at 6:48pm
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Originally Posted by oldmanyoung View Post
Thanks! Lemme try the settings now and see if it helps any.



Awesome news indeed. Is there a way we can track the conversation, or was it private? Certainly anticipating an answer now!
Facebook page "I Have A Defective Sony TV". The VP of Sony Customer Service monitors and posts on that page quite often and is a very down to earth guy. Think he really is trying to help people out that have problems with their sets and I agree with kevin, he is a pretty cool guy. You, also, get to put a face to bitterkevin's name as an added plus!

http://www.facebook.com/bitterkevin/...50313232191613
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post #404 of 1972
7/16/11 at 11:44pm
Ahh, thanks a lot! Bookmarked the page. Will check regularly. Thanks Kevin for bringing it up with Philip. This should accelerate the process considerably!
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post #405 of 1972
7/17/11 at 12:13am
You are most welcome, gentlemen. I figured since the Sony Forums thing wasn't giving us an answer that I would step it up a notch. I feel bad causing more work for Phil, especially since they are so cool about the Optical Block exchange program. But at the same time, anyone who pays full price for this TV expecting 3D is really getting screwed. An interesting note, Niko from earlier in the thread posted on the Facebook page that his NX (or was it HX?) still has the same problem.
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post #406 of 1972
7/17/11 at 12:19am
That's what I'm afraid of, but check this post out.

That actually makes perfect sense, because it is not like the processor is working hard to create a black screen (like it would with false frame insertions, a combo of the previous and upcoming frames). Unfortunately my brain detects the flicker and I get a bit of a headache like I do with 3D.
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post #407 of 1972
7/17/11 at 12:22am
That's great news indeed! Would you be getting a PS3 Kev? Add me up if you are, Stardust looks awesome on 3D! WipeOut HD too, though by default the 3D effect is set at zero (wtf).

I very well might, since the Qriocity 3D looks good, and I'd love to play Gran Turismo 5. I also want God of War trilogy
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post #408 of 1972
7/17/11 at 12:23am
You, also, get to put a face to bitterkevin's name as an added plus!

I am a sexy sexy nerd
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post #409 of 1972
7/17/11 at 8:26am
So where do we stand between this vs the hx800? I was following the hx800 vs ex720 thread and it kinda went from everyone saying the hx over the ex to it ending with most people saying the ex over the hx. i posted this question here because the other thread was more of people who did not actually own the set.

i have the option to get either set at the same price. i was leaning more towards this set since the 3d is built in and i already have glasses from my nx810, i just didnt want to buy a new transmitter or anything.
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post #410 of 1972
7/17/11 at 8:54am
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So where do we stand between this vs the hx800? I was following the hx800 vs ex720 thread and it kinda went from everyone saying the hx over the ex to it ending with most people saying the ex over the hx. i posted this question here because the other thread was more of people who did not actually own the set.

i have the option to get either set at the same price. i was leaning more towards this set since the 3d is built in and i already have glasses from my nx810, i just didnt want to buy a new transmitter or anything.

Cannot comment on the matter, though i hold on to buying an EX720 TV until a fix for the 3D problem is published. The 3D is useless on this TV due to extreme double vision. Not worth the dough at the moment. For 2D, it's gorgeous.
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post #411 of 1972
7/17/11 at 9:11am
I can't believe someone could read this thread and still consider this TV for 3d...

Originally Posted by oldmanyoung
From the PS3. The double vision is unbearable, especially when it gets to night.


Was this Side by Side 3D or Frame Packing? You can tell because Frame Pack auto-switches the TV to 3D, and Side by Side must be done manually.
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post #412 of 1972
7/17/11 at 10:20am
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Yup! Side by Side just sucks with the set...

2K11 though auto switches to 3D... as well as Crysis. Some Side By Side trailers will notify that the set will change to 3D mode.
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post #413 of 1972
7/17/11 at 2:33pm
Hello All,

Been following this thread just wondering if I should cancel my order of the 55ex720 on the 3D issues or Waite for a fix, I ordered the set as a replacement from sony after my long time television 50a10 went under due to the optical block issues

thanks
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post #414 of 1972
7/17/11 at 6:11pm
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Originally Posted by bitterkevin View Post

Unfortunately my brain detects the flicker and I get a bit of a headache like I do with 3D.

Did/do you get headaches from CRTs? Just wondering if the black screen insertion is worse, because I can handle a CRT as long as the refresh isn't too low.

[edit] Also, does putting it in Game Mode disable the "Clear" setting?
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post #415 of 1972
7/17/11 at 8:33pm
Tweet- it depends on how much 3D you'll be using and what type. Sony stuff is fine. Cable boxes and Xbox 360 are the problem. It is a great 2D set so just don't buy the glasses until there is a fix.

Iron- No, I loved CRT. My first HDTV was a Sony Wega 32" 300lb CRT and I still long for those black levels. The flicker must be different because I get a headache much like a 3D headache- a mild one at the back of the head. I think I can "see" the flicker of the black frames or the glasses' shutter. Try it, you might like it. I prefer it off. Game Mode (actually called Scene) disables ALL that stuff and grays it out so you cannot set it. If you use Scene General- Custom, you can tailor which effects you want on or off. I had everything off but Motionflow on Clear. Some will probably like it but I do not.
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post #416 of 1972
7/18/11 at 12:03am
Nuts. I'm guessing that you got the headache because although the black frames reduce sample-and-hold blur, due to the nature of LCD they still aren't pulsing as fast as a CRT would refresh. Thus you end up with an LCD behaving like a CRT with a low refresh rate (that flicker could give anyone a headache).

Anyway, Game Mode removing those options makes it moot, since you can't use them with it on and you need it on to reduce processing lag.

Thanks for all the hands-on info.
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post #417 of 1972
7/18/11 at 11:31am
Sony is sending me the 60EX720 ( at a greatly reduced price) as a replacement for an optical blocker issue with my old Sony SXRD KDS-60A2000. While I am very happy with Sony's replacement program (++ Kudos to "SonyListens" for stepping-up to help its consumers), after reading this forum I wonder if I am getting one defective TV for another with regards to the 3D/crosstalk issue on the EX720 :-(

I expect to receive the set later in the week of July 18th and will be connecting Sony Blu-ray S570, internet and PS3. ( I don't have cable or satellite service for this TV).

I think I read some comments in this forum that connected Sony components ( blu-ray/PS3) don't seem to suffer from visible crosstalk. Did I read that correctly?

Also, does anyone know if the crosstalk issue affects all the EX720 models to include the 60" ?
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post #418 of 1972
7/18/11 at 11:47am
Games and movies crosstalk pretty badly with the PS3. Even Sony's own games like Killzone and Motorstorm.
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post #419 of 1972
7/18/11 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by oldmanyoung View Post

Games and movies crosstalk pretty badly with the PS3. Even Sony's own games like Killzone and Motorstorm.

As reported on http://www.facebook.com/bitterkevin/...50313232191613 ...by another member on this forum
"Philip Petescia Hi Kevin, I see the mod for the group has reported it to engineering. I'm not in the office but when I get back I'll see if there's a planned firmware update for it.
Friday at 5:57pm"


Fingers-crossed the crosstalk issue can be corrected with a firmware upgrade !
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post #420 of 1972
7/18/11 at 11:54am
I am really hoping Phil can update within this week. It doesn't matter if the update is coming next month, as long as its coming and the problem can be fixed.
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