or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › 3D Central › 3D Source Components › Need a 3D BR player that plays ripped media
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Need a 3D BR player that plays ripped media

post #1 of 64
Thread Starter 
Hey guys,

I have finally given up using my HTPC...it's driven me crazy for the last time. I will be replacing the two media centers I have in my house with more stable devices. I decided on the WD TV Live Plus for my bedroom as it seems to play pretty much everything out there (including DVD menu support, which is a pretty big deal for me). What I REALLY need everyone's help on is a 3D Blu Ray player for my living room that can play my ripped media and works well with my TV (Panasonic TC-P50GT25 Plasma). Here's what I'm hoping for:

- 3D Blu ray player, not just a standard blu ray.
- Plays mkv's on my local network.
- Plays DVD's and blu ray's that have been ripped to a hard drive in folder structure (not .iso). I'd prefer they were playable from a network share, but if it only supports a USB device, I'd deal with it.
- A way to play ripped 3D blu ray (either in mkv or any other form).
- Menu support for ripped DVD's and blu ray's would be really wonderful, but at this point, I'd settle for ANYTHING.

Is there anything out there that can do all of that? I know the Popcorn Hour and Dune supposedly do all of that, but they don't support 3D blu ray's and I'm really afraid they'd be just as buggy as a media center.

I'm borrowing my friend's Oppo BD-93 tomorrow and will post my results with that player, however I was told they definitely don't support menu's.

If there isn't a blu ray player that does everything I need, I guess I could always buy two WD TV Live's and only use the blu rau player for discs...but that seems like a waste of money. There's gotta be SOMETHING out there that can do everything!

Thanks in advance for your help...you guys are always the best!
post #2 of 64
Thread Starter 
I got the WD TV Live last night and it's absolutely the PERFECT device for the bedroom. It's tiny, easy to use and play's 90% of my stuff...including ripped BR and DVD's! It's not as versatile as a media center, but for a bedroom device, it does more than I could ask for.

I'll test the Oppo tonight and post my results. Hopefully, it'll be as good as the WD...
post #3 of 64
Thread Starter 
I was able to test the Oppo BDP-93:

Good points of the Oppo:
- First of all, the Oppo was the best picture quality of any blu-ray player I've seen. I was very impressed.
- From USB, it played almost every single file I tested and about the same as the WD TV Live player. It even played uncompressed DVD and Blu-ray rips to .mkv (that were made using makemkv). A few times it gave me an error and said unsupported audio type, but it played the video anyway and once I selected the correct audio track, it worked great. It didn't play .flv files.
- It also played blu-ray's (including 3d!) WITH menu support perfectly using the AVCHD trick via USB or eSATA! I was very impressed.

Some bad points though:
- The menu's were all very slow and clunky.
- It froze a few times and I had to wait over a minute for it to recover each time.
- Network support SUCKED! It wouldn't just browse my network, I had to have a streaming service running. Also, navigating over the network was really slow (playback seems fine, it was the navigation that was slow).
- There was no "skip" when playing back files (with the exception of .mkv's that had chapter support). If you hit "next" it would move to the next file in the folder, including .vob's. The only way to skip through a file was to fast forward, which took forever. I wish there was a "skip" feature like in the WD TV player (10-min skip) or in media center.
- Ripped DVD playback was horrible. HORRIBLE. I knew there'd be no menu support, but often when you click on the 1st .vob file, it doesn't actually start from the beginning. Also, if you hit "next", it'll skip to the next .vob file, NOT the next chapter. It makes watching full-rip DVD's very hard.

So, here's my conclusion (as of 5-19-11...new firmware might change this) of the Oppo BDP-93:

This is the best 3D blu-ray player on the market for ripped media...as long as you don't need ripped DVD support. Network playback is tolerable if you use a good streaming server (Orb, Tversity, etc), however, if you can use an attached HDD via USB or eSATA instead, you'll be much happier (I have the option to do this and would consider it an acceptable solution if ripped DVD playback were better).

In short, if you are looking for something that will be used mostly for disc playback and sometimes ripped media, it's the perfect player. If you find yourself playing ripped media more than discs, you'll want to consider a different solution.
post #4 of 64
Thread Starter 
I wanted to try a cheaper solution than the Oppo, so I stopped by Best Buy and picked up the LG BD-670.

First, the good:
- The menu's were very quick to navigate, including on the network.
- I didn't have to run any server, the BD-670 navigated the shared folders on my network with no trouble.
- The files it did play (network or USB) seemed to play well.

The bad:
- Blu-ray disc playback (both 3D and regular) seemed like it produced picture quality that was MUCH worse than the Oppo, as well as even my media center.
- It barely played any of the files I tried and NONE of the uncompressed .mkv's.
- No ripped DVD or blu-ray playback at all.
- The files that did play didn't have a skip forward option, only fast forward.

Seeing as I'm looking for a player that supports many file types, this one definitely isn't for me. I didn't try the AVCHD trick, but I'll give that a shot tonight and post again if it works.



Anyone else feel like contributing to this thread? I could really use some input.
post #5 of 64
I just bought Sony BDP-S480. This thing rocks when it comes to MKV Blu-ray Ripps.
On Sale through today &149

The good - Plays the following through network or USB:
avchd (Mkv)
MPG
3D (Side By Side)

The Bad:
Can only play 3D SIDE BY SIDE and UPPER / BOTTOM
Can't Figure out how to play sequential full frame 3D (VIA NETWORK OR USB).

If there is a HARDWARE media player that can play 3D FULL FRAME content, will someone please let us know? I want to store my entire blu-ray collection on hard drive and play back (Especially 3D FULL FRAME) without a computer.

Popcorn hour WILL NOT DO FULL FRAME (as told from customer support team)
Roku, appearently doesn't do it
WD Definitely doesn't do it.

Currently have Sony HX-909 52
post #6 of 64
Thread Starter 
When you say "3D Full Frame", do you mean a direct 3D blu ray rip? I used AnyDVDHD to rip a few 3D blu ray's to my USB hard drive (a folder rip, not an ISO). I then added the AVCHD folder to the movies (the AVCHD trick), plugged that drive into the Oppo and browsed my hard drive. The Oppo played them FLAWLESSLY in 3D from the hard drive. If your biggest concern is blu ray rips, the Oppo BDP-93 is by far, without a doubt, your best solution...as long as you don't mind storing them on a USB or eSATA hard drive.

My biggest problem with the Oppo...or ANY device...is ripped DVD (in video_ts folder structure) playback. I have over 100 concert DVD's with menu's that can't be played (with menu support) on any blu ray player I've tried. It seems that no matter where I look, the only way I can get good 3D blu-ray playback and support my DVD rips is by using two different devices.

Unfortunately, I think buying a cheap 3D blu ray player for all discs and using an HTPC for my rips might be my best solution. I really hope someone can recommend something different though. If I do choose that route, I definitely don't want to use an LG 3D blu ray, as I was really disappointed in it. I was thinking of either a Panasonic or a Sony. Does the Sony you mention take a long time to load the disc, or is it pretty quick?
post #7 of 64
Thread Starter 
Just thought I'd post an update. I ended up buying the Oppo BDP-93 anyway, as there really isn't another 3D blu-ray player that matches its quality. They just released a beta firmware for it that solves ALL of my complaints:

- .ISO is now supported, solving my ripped DVD issues.

- Menu navigation is MUCH improved and quicker.

- Network navigation is much faster, although a DLNA server is still required. I use tversity and it runs flawlessly.

- It hasn't locked up or froze at all since I bought it. Maybe the one I borrowed from my friend was bad?

- You CAN skip through files...you've always been able to, I just didn't notice. There's a button on the remote that says "Goto". It allows you to navigate anywhere in the video, which is actually a MUCH better option than just a "skip" button.

In conclusion, there's nothing else on the market that comes close to it. I couldn't be happier and am really glad I bought it.
post #8 of 64
Thanks for info looks like I will be getting this. Though $500 seems a bit steep.
post #9 of 64
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by flegg View Post

Thanks for info looks like I will be getting this. Though $500 seems a bit steep.

Honestly, it's worth the price. I've had it for almost 6 months now and nothing even comes close to the quality or performance.
post #10 of 64
The 3D produced by both JVC and Sony camcorders is 1080i60 (interlaced 60) x 2 eyes.

There is also 2D produced by recently new camcorders that is 1080p60.

The above 2 60i and 60p formats fall under the newer AVCHD 2.0 spec for playback.

The Sony s480 or s580 s780 players with newer firmware will play bluray media burned with the above AVCHD 2.0 type of camcorder produced 3D and 2D. These seem to be the only stand alone players on earth able to play this type of 2d and 3d. The fact that these only work from bluray media (as opposed to USB or network) is not a surprise, since Sony is pushing the media approach.

Oppo confirmed that these files do not play on their BD-93. I have sent them samples, but there is no update to cover this. I suspect that OPPO has run into a hardware limitation and will not be able to do AVCHD 2.0 even with new firmware. Bad for Oppo owners. A dead end. No official reply yet from Oppo, and it's been a while.

Since Sony only updated the firmware for their newer Sx80 series bluray players, and there is no corresponding update for their flagship 3D bluray player, i.e. the PS3 3D bluray player, the dead end for the PS3 has already been reached. OPPO may be at the same dead end.
post #11 of 64
Richard,

Can this player play back m2ts files recorded to BD-R/RE, or must the files be in some other form?
post #12 of 64
Richard,

I have a similar queston to the Sony s480 or s580 s780: is the 3D playback really in 1080 50i/60i, and not only 1080 24p? That would be great.

And do you know if those players can playback 3D footage in side-by-side full or top/bottom full too?

And can the player playback 3D footage from an external harddisk or usb stick?
post #13 of 64
I should have some answers soon about what the Sony can play. Best Buy had the S580 on sale this week, so I picked it up for $110 ($90 off). I'll be testing it as soon as my Thanksgiving guests leave. I downloaded the update, in case the one I got doesn't have the latest firmware yet. I wanted to replace the Panasonic 3D player for my main home theater anyway. I don't like it that much.
post #14 of 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfgang S. View Post

Richard,

I have a similar queston to the Sony s480 or s580 s780: is the 3D playback really in 1080 50i/60i, and not only 1080 24p? That would be great.

And do you know if those players can playback 3D footage in side-by-side full or top/bottom full too?

And can the player playback 3D footage from an external harddisk or usb stick?

I don't think there's much of a question that AVCHD 2.0 devices can play 3D in 50i and 60i. The question is what format do they need to see. I could burn MTS or m2ts or JVC mp4 files to a Blu-ray recordable disc (which AVCHD 2.0 is also supposed to support, and with which the firmware update for the Sony players claims compatibility), but does the player need a special file and folder structure to work? That's what I want to know.
post #15 of 64
Thread Starter 
Do any of these players support media playback, like .iso, .mkv, or any others?

Playing AVC burned discs seems to be pretty common, but a blu ray player that can act as a media player and support 3D is rare. As far as I know, the Oppo is the only player that can do all of it. I've seen media players that supposedly support 3D .iso's, but I've heard mixed things.

I was hoping to keep this thread dedicated to blu ray players with media player functionality.
post #16 of 64
Sorry. I'll start a new thread if I get satisfactory results with the sony player.
post #17 of 64
Answer to question for 1080i60 is here: Yes the Sony Sx80 series outputs 1080i60 using a bluray disk burned via PMB 5.8 with content from the TD10. See this exact post:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post21073427

In light of the limitations, I've not bought a new Sony Sx80 player yet, nor the Oppo yet, though that price for the 580 at Best Buy is tempting. I wonder if the 480 will go down further at online stores.

Limitations of Oppo:
No support for 1080p60-2D nor 1080i60-3D. This is a big gaping hole in the abilities for anyone with content originating with a newer camcorder. Latest email about this deficit from Oppo this week isn't illuminating, and they have had the test disks for a month.

Note: Oppo's abilites with respect to 1080p24-3D MVC content are otherwise not matched by other products. So if your source of content is limited to the realm of the original 3D bluray spec (ripped commercial disks or content converted to 24p), Oppo's ability to play isos and files via USB is excellent.

It's less clear if the Oppo will play isos and MVC files via a network connection. Don Landis previously reported no-go on this, while robneal81 says it works. This is 1080p24-3D MVC, not camcorder content I'm talking about. Don says that a 1080p24-3D mkv bluray iso with menus
will play from USB on the Oppo, but not via the network.


Limitations of Sony Sx80 players:

Only supports SD for network playback. No support for 3D, HD, iso, mkv or mvc via network playback. This is per the Sony user manual, and no user has provided data conflicting with the manual. Maybe the firmware update changed this. I doubt it since there is no hardware reason for this restriction in the first place. In this regard, the PS3 has much stronger support for HD via network playback. I haven't seen this tested and reported here yet. Can you test this with Tversity Joe?

The "A" number one excellent thing would be support for playback of MVC 1080i60-3D files via DLNA, but so far nothing commercially sold player does this.

Sony Sx80 only supports playback of 1080i60 MVC from 1) bluray disk burned with PMB 5.8, or 2) from Sony TD10 camcorder directly connected to the player via USB. When the same content is played from a USB hard drive, it plays in 2D. This is as per the testing results starting at the post linked below, and is the basis for me saying that Sony is pushing the bluray media based approach to playback:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post21109377

Because of the above limitiations, I have been using HTPC for my playback of MVC 1080i60 files.
post #18 of 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by robneal81 View Post

Do any of these players support media playback, like .iso, .mkv, or any others?

Playing AVC burned discs seems to be pretty common, but a blu ray player that can act as a media player and support 3D is rare. As far as I know, the Oppo is the only player that can do all of it. I've seen media players that supposedly support 3D .iso's, but I've heard mixed things.

I was hoping to keep this thread dedicated to blu ray players with media player functionality.

The Sony S580 player Joe is describing does have functionality for USB and network playback. There are some things only the Oppo does, and some things only the Sony does. See my post on limitations above.

Since the topic is about ripped 3D media, the Oppo currently falls flat on its face and can't play 3D content ripped from an AVCHD 2.0 bluray disk that plays fine in the Sony player.
post #19 of 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfgang S. View Post

Richard,

I have a similar queston to the Sony s480 or s580 s780: is the 3D playback really in 1080 50i/60i, and not only 1080 24p? That would be great.

And do you know if those players can playback 3D footage in side-by-side full or top/bottom full too?

And can the player playback 3D footage from an external harddisk or usb stick?

The one thing I didn't answer yet is about Side by Side or Top-Bottom (SBS / TB). So far I've seen that this is a function of the monitor's abilities.

One of the benefits of SBS (half) and TB (half) formats is the ability to play them on older players of all kinds; even the Popcorn Hour. This works as long as the monitor can handle it.

Keeping with the subject of this thread, when a bluray is ripped into half SBS or TB format, any of the networked based HDTV players (popcorn, oppo, PS3, etc.) should be able to handle it where the monitor does the final conversion to the 3D output. This is because the content only requires the same sort of processing through the playback chain that 2D uses. It's the monitor that presents the content in 3D when a bluray is ripped to one of these half frame format.
post #20 of 64
Quote:


It's less clear if the Oppo will play isos and MVC files via a network connection. Don Landis previously reported no-go on this, while robneal81 says it works. This is 1080p24-3D MVC, not camcorder content I'm talking about. Don says that a 1080p24-3D mkv bluray iso with menus
will play from USB on the Oppo, but not via the network.

What isn't clear to me is who you claim is saying what.

Let me repeat what I have observed here-

The Oppo BD-93 with latest firmware will see and play 3D iso files when those files are resident on a USB storage and plugged directly into the USB port of the player. It may also work for ext hard drive that is e-sata connected but I have not tested that.

Oppo BD-93 does not recognize any *.iso file on a network hard drive connected via ethernet. In other words, you can have a shared folder on your computer on your network and in that folder have 2 wmv files and 2 iso files and the Oppo will only see the 2 wmv files.


I should also add that Oppo applications are different whether surfing a network folder or surfing a USB 2.0 hard drive folder.


Can you give us a link where robneal81 makes the claim that the Oppo sees network folder's iso files? I'd like to know how he does that.
post #21 of 64
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Adams View Post

It's less clear if the Oppo will play isos and MVC files via a network connection. Don Landis previously reported no-go on this, while robneal81 says it works.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post

Can you give us a link where robneal81 makes the claim that the Oppo sees network folder's iso files? I'd like to know how he does that.


I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, but I don't believe I ever said that. The only way you can play .iso's of any kind on the Oppo is via an attached USB or eSATA hard drive. For some people that's been a dealbreaker, but it doesn't bother me at all...I just keep my backup drive plugged into the Oppo, so it always has access to all my movies.
post #22 of 64
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Adams View Post

Since the topic is about ripped 3D media, the Oppo currently falls flat on its face and can't play 3D content ripped from an AVCHD 2.0 bluray disk that plays fine in the Sony player.

I rip all my store-bought 3D blu ray discs to .iso. They are then stored on my server and backed up to my USB backup drive...which is left plugged into my Oppo. Every time I turn on the Oppo, all my files are right there waiting and play flawlessly, including all 10 of the 3D blu ray's I own.

It's clear that we're expecting it to do two different things. Although I'd prefer network .iso playback, it works fine the way I have it set up. As a result, your "falls flat on it's face" comment is completely untrue for me.

Honestly though, I had hoped this topic would stick to finding devices that are either "media players that can blu ray discs", or "blu ray players that can play the wide variety of content, such as a device like the WDTV Live". I honestly have no knowledge of camcorder files, MVC or any of that stuff. That's clearly important to you and probably a ton of other people, but I just want to play ripped movies.

Could we keep this topic to stuff like "Hey, have you seen the new AIOS HD Media Center? I hear it plays 3D .iso's..."
post #23 of 64
rob- thanks for clearing that confusion up- I had hoped you discovered some DLNA application that allowed the ripped iso's to be visible to the networked OPPO. Guess we're not there yet.

I was thinking of a dual connection drive that could have a network connection to your router and also USB connection to your OPPO. That way you could transfer your iso's via the network to that drive and then see them with the Oppo on that drive when connected to the OPPO. Not sure if those drives can be dual connected but at least you could physically swap the connections as opposed to lugging the drive around. Here I would be hauling it to the other end of the house. Is your ripping computer near the OPPO?
post #24 of 64
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post

rob- thanks for clearing that confusion up- I had hoped you discovered some DLNA application that allowed the ripped iso's to be visible to the networked OPPO. Guess we're not there yet.

I was thinking of a dual connection drive that could have a network connection to your router and also USB connection to your OPPO. That way you could transfer your iso's via the network to that drive and then see them with the Oppo on that drive when connected to the OPPO. Not sure if those drives can be dual connected but at least you could physically swap the connections as opposed to lugging the drive around. Here I would be hauling it to the other end of the house. Is your ripping computer near the OPPO?

Don, I've been trying non-stop to figure out a way to do either of those things. If you ever stumble across something, please PM me and I'll do the same!

I've talked to some programming guru's about writing a custom DLNA server that's designed to talk directly to the Oppo and solve the .iso issue, but none knew how to do it.

Yes, my server is close to the TV...I actually stuck it in my TV stand. I have a drive that's eSATA and USB. eSATA is hooked up to my server, USB to my Oppo. You can only access one at a time, but there's a button that toggles between the two.

I searched through every NAS manufacturer and none have a NAS drive that also allows access via USB, although that would be the ultimate solution to the problem.
post #25 of 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by robneal81 View Post

Don, I've been trying non-stop to figure out a way to do either of those things. If you ever stumble across something, please PM me and I'll do the same!

I've talked to some programming guru's about writing a custom DLNA server that's designed to talk directly to the Oppo and solve the .iso issue, but none knew how to do it.

Yes, my server is close to the TV...I actually stuck it in my TV stand. I have a drive that's eSATA and USB. eSATA is hooked up to my server, USB to my Oppo. You can only access one at a time, but there's a button that toggles between the two.

I searched through every NAS manufacturer and none have a NAS drive that also allows access via USB, although that would be the ultimate solution to the problem.

Smart to have the USB / eSATA drive connected that way with the button to toggle.

If simply ripped without being converted to SBS, the 3D video files ripped from a commercial bluray are "MVC."

Question for Don and robneal81 - Can the Oppo can play these MVC files (they may have an m2ts extension) in 3D over the lan from the Tversity server? I'm asking about the usual commercial bluray 1080p24 files, not the camcorder files.
post #26 of 64
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Adams View Post

Smart to have the USB / eSATA drive connected that way with the button to toggle.

If simply ripped without being converted to SBS, the 3D video files ripped from a commercial bluray are "MVC."

Question for Don and robneal81 - Can the Oppo can play these MVC files (they may have an m2ts extension) in 3D over the lan from the Tversity server? I'm asking about the usual commercial bluray 1080p24 files, not the camcorder files.

I'd be willing to try, just please send me instructions on how to rip them that way. I use ANYDVDHD to rip my discs to a full .iso of the movie and never have issues. A few people are using DVDFab and I've heard of a few errors with 3D.
post #27 of 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by robneal81 View Post

I'd be willing to try, just please send me instructions on how to rip them that way. I use ANYDVDHD to rip my discs to a full .iso of the movie and never have issues. A few people are using DVDFab and I've heard of a few errors with 3D.

After ripping to iso in the usual way, could use Daemon tools PRO version (free trial), or the equivalent software to access the files inside the .iso.

If the Oppo works for 3D this way, you could store the video files on your PC hard drive to access them. I know this works with some 2D ripped blu rays when using the PS3 for playback. For the PS3, had to convert the DTS to AC3 since the PS3 would not play DTS audio from a DLNA server as the source. I've no idea what the limitations of the Oppo are for this. In any case the bluray disk's menus would not be used to access the content, which might be a plus or minus...
post #28 of 64
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Adams View Post

After ripping to iso in the usual way, could use Daemon tools PRO version (free trial), or the equivalent software to access the files inside the .iso.

If the Oppo works for 3D this way, you could store the video files on your PC hard drive to access them. I know this works with some 2D ripped blu rays when using the PS3 for playback. For the PS3, had to convert the DTS to AC3 since the PS3 would not play DTS audio from a DLNA server as the source. I've no idea what the limitations of the Oppo are for this. In any case the bluray disk's menus would not be used to access the content, which might be a plus or minus...

I've tried this before and it doesn't work. If you have a "folder rip" of a 3D blu ray, you can play it when attached via USB. The Oppo sees the folder structure and plays it like a disc.

If you try to play it over the network, the Oppo doesn't see it as a Blu ray, it just plays the individual files. You can play them in 2D this way, but it won't access the secondary video track which contains the 3D content.
post #29 of 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by robneal81 View Post

I've tried this before and it doesn't work. If you have a "folder rip" of a 3D blu ray, you can play it when attached via USB. The Oppo sees the folder structure and plays it like a disc.

If you try to play it over the network, the Oppo doesn't see it as a Blu ray, it just plays the individual files. You can play them in 2D this way, but it won't access the secondary video track which contains the 3D content.

That's good to know. I wonder if it is deliberate, i.e. a licensing issue.

What sort of make / model drive setup are you using for the USB / eSata push button toggle with the Oppo / PC?
post #30 of 64
rob- Since your ripping computer is close to your Oppo, have you tried to connect the OPPO as a USB device to the computer? Not sure that windows can recognize it without a device driver. Also test the esata option. Finally ask your "gurus" if they can write a device driver for the OPPO connection.
Richard may also have some talent along these lines. You don't know this rob, but Richard designed some pretty amazing hardware / software connection hacks for IEEE1394 years ago.

I would have checked these options out long ago but I have no home theater computer near my OPPO.

At least you have a switch to connect the HD to either device as needed.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: 3D Source Components
AVS › AVS Forum › 3D Central › 3D Source Components › Need a 3D BR player that plays ripped media