Pioneer Blu-ray players 2011 - BDP-140/BDP-440/BDP-LX55/BDP-53FD - Page 35

Wooow...
I`m honestly impressed...in a very negative way..
Looks like Pioneer is slowly but steadily going down...
I sold my VSX-1120 today...
Let`s try Audyssey for the first time...

Different understanding of the word "EXACTLY".

Not very specific, do you mean artistically? Better colors? Because frankly those pictures aren't very clear.

Let me help you

I see cleaner cabling on the oppo, and the engineers and techs did a better job of planning connector positions

Other than that, they look to be similar in construction

Oppo has more circuit board area with what looks like a separate board for the analog section

The black power supply board is a nice visual touch and it is larger and as I understand it the oppo has a fan for cooling and the pioneer does not so perhaps the oppo needs more power

Without seeing the bill of materials it is hard to say but my guess is the oppo is more expensive to build

I'm still keeping my VSX32 because I think its audio is good and was the most affordable way to obtain the Marvell QDEO video processing. As far as PQLS is concerned, while I want the best audio quality I can get, the difference is subtle enough that I'd rather have a less buggy player. I know I could always go back to my BDP-23FD, but I'm worried that Pioneer will eventually stop releasing firmware updates for it, since they no longer make their own players. To tell you the truth, once Pioneer left the TV business, they should have either kept their optical disc player manufacturing plant open, or else, just stop selling players altogether! As sad as that might have been, I think it would have been better for them to focus on the products they still make well (their receivers, speakers, and headphones), rather than make us suffer with bugs just for the sake of enjoying PQLS. So unless Pioneer either makes their own players again, or chooses someone better to build them, I'll only get their receivers from now on.

I'm not sure we are seeing the drive, perhaps that is a housing, after all, the toshiba doesn't play sacd

Of course the list price on the toshiba was $229 but is now less than $100

However, the power supply and printed circuit board are nearly identical. I suppose it is possible that mediatek has a reference design and manufacturers just use that.

Very likely whoever built/designed the toshiba also did the same for the pioneer and that is probably TCL. A good question is who wrote, owns and maintains the software?

seems like most, people around here, want the new blu ray players to fail. (mostly negative comments) give them a break, this is the 1-Gen players, they will improve (Glad to see true Pioneer- back in the BD business)



If Pioneer, built a high end/Reference, style player (like the Oppo 95) mostly everybody would complain. that it is way overpriced, and they would, expect big discounts from retailers.



everybody wants,Pioneer Elite products, but want to pay flea market prices. sad but true (can you say Pioneer Plasma)



i don't blame, Pioneer, they are building blu ray players, that make the most sense in this economy (nice gear- at a good price) Mass Market prices. to be honest.



sadly, due to the economy and rough market,most electronic companys. are struggling to survive.



Thanks Pioneer, for toughing it out, in this economy and bringing us great products. from the past/present and future

You are completely wrong about that. Everyone who posts on this thread wants nothing but pioneer to succeed. Many of the negative comments are from people who bought players and we're disappointed.

Pioneer should thank their lucky stars that they have such avid fans who have forked over their hard earned cash to buy a brand new product at top dollar.

And it is not so much that the players have bugs, so much as nothing has been done to fix them. For goodness sake, the chapter is not even displaying properly on the front panel.

So no you have some of the biggest pioneer fans returning their players and they would like nothing better than to own a properly functioning pioneer bd player.

excellent opinion...

These are not true Pioneer players. They are designed by TCL, a company more known for low-budget players. All Pioneer does is adds their signature features to them. I don't even have a problem with a rebadge. Just rebadge someone good like Oppo. Until Pioneer gets things straightened out, I will wait before I buy a player in their name with PQLS added onto it. If Pioneer should come out with something better later this year, I'll sell my Yamaha BD-A1010 on ebay. Now that Pioneer's player manufacturing plants are closed, it would be cool if the team from their plants went into business for themselves, making their own players, and then Pioneer rebadging the players made by this imaginary dreamteam!

The power supply is the size it needs to be to power the unit. What difference does it make what size it is? The trend these days is smaller and more energy efficient. You could easily turn this around and ask why is oppo's so big? The more you overspend on the power supply the less you have to spend on things that matter.

I have seen a good close up of the pio main printed circuit board. The layout looks good when you see the traces. The both use quality components from the same manufacturers and the Same type of connectors.

Given that the power supply and main circuit board appear to be used In other bd players with mods, that would explain why connections are not as clean.

To say that the pio is a pos is simply incorrect.

Yes, oppo has a better track record at updating software. But you can't tell that by looking inside the cover.

I agree, it looks like oppo spent more time planning out their layout and you are getting more for you money, if the price is the same.

But I imagine oppo does not own a factory and contracts out to have their players made for them too

To me the real intriguing question is who updates pioneer's software. If it is TCL and there are bugs, does TCL fix them and who pays?

This is a PIONEER thread. It's for owners of PIONEER players. While comparisons are a natural point of conversation, this isn't the place for Oppo discussions. I've rolled back the thread to the most-recent post that was even close to being on-topic.

Further off-topic posts will be removed without notice.

I wish Pioneer would fix the players´ bugs as quickly as you removed the off-topic posts

As soon as Pioneer returns to their honest-to-God glory days, I will sell my new Yamaha BD-A1010 and hopefully start enjoying 176.4 KHz PCM with PQLS! Remember. No Yamaha discussions. There are a BD-A1000 and BD-A1010 thread in the Blu-ray players forum here at AVS.

Welcome to the world of OEM products!!!


Pioneer and no other manufacturer of electronics from Japan not return to Their honest-to-God glory days, they ran out during the last century...


...but if the product is branded such as Pioneer company it should have a solid software support, except that everything has been ordered in the TCL


Where is the number of the chapter / track on display my BDP-LX55??? is for promotional photos !!!..., disappeared somewhere between TCL and Europe???


We look forward to the first firmware update for BDP-440/BDP-LX55

Hi there, i'm planing to buy Pioneer LX55 in a few days and i want to know if the player support Ntfs formated usb sticks or HDD, and what about these bugs anyway....
I can't find any in depth review of this player yet because it's new.
I had a sony bdp-s370 and i believe the LX55 must be better choice.(Better drive, Qdeo chip)

If you looked upon some previous posts you´d know that the new Pio BD players support both NTFS format and ext. HDDs as well as ALL usable DivX HD files up to 1080p....
in my opinion, a player which doesn´t support NTFS format must be a crap...only because any better BD rip is often larger than FAT32 limit of 4gb...
the bugs are hopefully to be fixed...maybe

NTFS file system NOT NTSC tv system...

of course...edited

On my week old BDP-55LX
Today I installed Twonky on my iMac, 1080p MKV and Dvix by DNLA look bettter than ever before on my Pioneer 5090H.
And the HDD drives from which the vieos are streamed, and the iMac, are ofcourse Apple formatted.
Than I connected a NTFS formatted HDD to the front USB a 1080p mkv video runs fine from that disk. Also a ITV 1 HD ts file with brilliant sharp video.
But BBC taped TS videos and Dutch taped TV TS videos, with a dream box 500HD don't run neither on the NTFS or by DNLA from the Apple formatted drives.
And by the way upscaled DVD' s are beautiful looking too.

And again I never saw such a brilliant video screen in my house thanks to the QDEO, and I think sweeter than my favourite Dutch cream cake.

Greetings

Chris,

Can you confirm that there will or will not be a firmware update available to play 176.4KHz instead of the 88.1KHz available now. I just bought a BDP-140 and like it but if the 176.4KHz isn't available that would be a deal breaker for me. Even a cheaper Sony S580 play it but I'd like to keep the Pioneer.

This may have been addressed already and I missed it. Please correct me if it has.

Thanks

good enough
but I`m still wondering, is there any difference in overall PQ between the Qdeo in the BDP-LX55 connected directly to a 1080p/24 TV and the Qdeo in particular VSX/SC AVRs connected to the same TV?
If not, or invisible, isn`t just running a video signal thru Marvell-enabled AVR the most cost-effective thing, as you wouldn`t need such capability in the player so you`ll be alright with let`s say BDP-440 without such chip?
Correct me, please...

i have a vsx-lx55 receiver do i need the BDP-lx55 or can i just use the amp's video Qdeo?
i mean,can i have the same results with a cheaper BD player using the amp's marvell video processor?

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Perhaps you could use a cheaper BD player frantic77?.
I use the VSX-1021 as my AV receiver, but I switched off the video up scaling on the VSX which has a Video Processor from Anchor Bay.
The VSX did not improve my PC, I thought, on my Pioneer TV 5090H.
For the BDP 55 on page 17 of the manual the stream smoother is explained, though the name QDEO is not mentioned there, which improves video streamed from the network, though the manual doesn't tell directly that the QDEO (pg 44) can be tuned for better performance.

Overall the manual is very complicated, and to much explanation between the lines. Not only in the English but also in the Dutch and German text, to much is left out, I hope some of the forum members can sheds some better light on the setup and possibilities of this surely good Pioneer BD and video formats player.

Greetings

it's been pretty calm from Pioneer over the last weeks, I'm curious what bug-fixes are they developing...if any if they're unable to do something with the weak remote sensor responsiveness as an elementary failure (which I doubt is a software issue, it's simply a weak hardware), they should at least enable the players to be controllable over the network, via ANY wifi enabled device...any smartphone, etc...not only Apple's iControl app...I guess it's perfectly possible

or we can simply use the receiver's remote to control the BDP

Hi there,

Here's a list of issues and Wished improvements from our french forum about the LX-55.

Hope Chris will take note of it.

Troubles/issues :

- Qdeo deinterlacing doesn't work well with SD content in 576p and 1080p (ok in 1080i).
See below for caps
- The adjust video menu is displayed over the picture.
So you can't really see what you are changing.
- Some FLAC files don't work or are unseen.
- HDMI CEC trouble when you are in "separate mode"
- DLNA - The player doesn't respond if there are AVI files in a folder.

Widhed improvements :

- More than one custom picture presets (like previous Elite models)
- ISO support (DVD and/or Bluray)
- More than one AVCHD folder on external HDD.
- "Video out" on HDMI 2
- NFS and/or Samba support

Here's pic where you can see the issue with interlaced sd content in 1080p on the lx55, and the same pic on ps3.

As you can see, outline colors seem displaced.

you can use AVR`s remote to control the player once you pair it together but it`s unhelpful as the actual effect still depends on the player`s remote sensor...I tested it with VSX-1120 and BDP-440
however, if there was an IR control output on the player you could easily connect it with AVR`s IR input and control the player with AVR`s sensor, which is pretty strong...this would definitely fix the issue...
unfortunately the last Pio BDP with IR Out was BDP-320 from 2009...dropping this feature on newer players was a damn stupid thing...

wow,the PS3 pic is way cleaner.
i am thinking to get this BDP to upgrade my PS3 but not sure it's worth....

actually you can, there is an icontrol app for android

and you can control the device through IP commands so you can use any device that connects to the network

this is one of the few things that the Oppo players will NOT do without additional hardware

I know about the android app but I have Nokia N8 with Symbian Anna...
and I like my phone too much so I`m not changing it because of Pioneer`s poor hardware...

how do IP commands work?