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post #1051 of 1810
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Originally Posted by jleholeho View Post


I know about the android app but I have Nokia N8 with Symbian Anna...
and I like my phone too much so I`m not changing it only for Pioneer poor hardware...

how do IP commands work?

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/St...40_BDP52FD.pdf
post #1052 of 1810
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Thanks...
well I´m kind of confused, sorry for that
how exactly can I get it to run or, especially, do I need a PC or just a smartphone on home network (such as N8)?
post #1053 of 1810
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Originally Posted by jleholeho View Post


Thanks...
well I´m kind of confused, sorry for that
how exactly can I get it to run or, especially, do I need a PC or just a smartphone on home network (such as N8)?

There are all kinds of software for ios devices that will send ip commands, irule for instance

I can't find anything for Nokia phones

On a pc at its most basic level you could run a telnet session and connect to you player and enter in the commands from the keyboard

I am sure there must be some home automation software that will be more user friendly for a computer

A quick google search of

home theater automation software

Finds several
post #1054 of 1810
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Originally Posted by purdyd View Post

There are all kinds of software for ios devices that will send ip commands, irule for instance

I can't find anything for Nokia phones

On a pc at its most basic level you could run a telnet session and connect to you player and enter in the commands from the keyboard

I am sure there must be some home automation software that will be more user friendly for a computer

A quick google search of

home theater automation software

Finds several

Excellent, thanks for that...
I´ll contact Nokia to find out if they can do something about it..
Meanwhile, I´ll check some software for PC

I checked some available solutions on the web, however it appears as a tricky thing...
the most simple way is to get some LG P350, as the cheapest Droid device or some basic iPod 2nd generation which both support Pio´s iControlAV2 app...
Symbian has absolutely no solution available, though there´s a lot wifi-based remotes downloadable, all can control just PCs
after all, if the BDP-440´s sensor worked properly or the IR control out was present, there´d be no issue whatsoever...
post #1055 of 1810
I'm quite surprised that there is no more owner of one of those players on this forum
On our french forum, we are a lot.

Does that mean Pioneer has missed their Bluray Comeback in US ?

I know that AVS is not necessairly representative of the US market, but come on, the Oppo and the older Pioneer Elite threads are more active than here.
post #1056 of 1810
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Originally Posted by Frenshprince View Post

I'm quite surprised that there is no more owner of one of those players on this forum
On our french forum, we are a lot.

Does that mean Pioneer has missed their Bluray Comeback in US ?

I know that AVS is not necessairly representative of the US market, but come on, the Oppo and the older Pioneer Elite threads are more active than here.

Pioneer like Denon were slow to get their products out and when they did they fell short. Both knew where the bar was set. Denon delayed their offering by several months and still fell woefully short.

I would have like to have seen a more competitive product from Pioneer, but in my opinion the BDP-53FD is not it.
post #1057 of 1810
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Originally Posted by Frenshprince View Post

I'm quite surprised that there is no more owner of one of those players on this forum
On our french forum, we are a lot.

Does that mean Pioneer has missed their Bluray Comeback in US ?

I know that AVS is not necessairly representative of the US market, but come on, the Oppo and the older Pioneer Elite threads are more active than here.

Considering the price, features, and issues, there appear to be better options for even the die hard pioneer fans.

Consider that the oppo 93 is the same price here as the bdp-lx55 and a proven record of offering excellent service and software upgrades while pio.......
post #1058 of 1810
check out page 2 + over on AVF uk...hmm...
post #1059 of 1810
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Originally Posted by Sebaz View Post

My Sony Blu-ray player got an update that makes movies look poorly encoded but eventually I realized that it's the player's fault, so I was thinking about getting the Pioneer BDP-140, but the first post in this thread says Pioneer merged with Sharp and that makes me weary of Pioneer right now, because every Sharp product I've ever seen was a piece of junk. An old camcorder from the 90s, but more recently I remember seeing Sharp LCD TV sets and they looked absolutely terrible, like the people's faces were ran through some artistic filter in Photoshop, when most of the TV sets around them looked fine. Sharp to me is one of those brands I always avoid, like Philips or Magnavox.

On the other hand, my receiver is a Pioneer VSX-1020 and I love it, and Pioneer seems to be the only other brand of BD players that have a subtitle button directly accessible and not buried in menus like most, and that is something I really need.

So what is the general opinion on the BDP-140 so far?

I was in the same boat. I liked pioneer receivers. But after getting bdp140, i changed my mind. I have sony bx58 and pansonic bdp85k. The picture quality is awesome in this pioneer both 2d and 3d. Only thing that is lacking is network apps. it has only 4. since i have sony led tv, i access those apps from tv. playback compatibility is the best i have seen. played sacds, dvd audios, dts cds, mkv, 3d sidebyside, flac (renamed to mp3) 96 and 192 and 5.1 channels. It even played PAL dvd audio (thriller 5.1 audio with Pal dvd stills). My sony plays everything listed above except this pal dvd. Also, you can browse to vob files and play. i cant think of anything that it failed to play. Actually i was greedy. tried region B blurays, but it didnt
feels like oppo. the manual says it wont play ntfs, but it did play all large files from ntfs drive. got it for 160$ before thanksgiving in bestbuy, think they are now back to 199.
post #1060 of 1810
First post and i have a question:

I've been working with itraks on the playback of 96/24 PCM wav files through my 140. It seems to sound fine but we are both wondering if I'm getting true 96/24.

any thoughts?

140 audio output set to bitstream via HDMI to Onkyo 609 which would be decoding.

data dvd is simple. wav files dragged and dropped into dvd folder using iMac and then burn. Nav to the music folder on 140 and play.
post #1061 of 1810
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Originally Posted by slim9 View Post

... we are both wondering if I'm getting true 96/24 ... via HDMI to Onkyo 609 which would be decoding ...

Can't the Onkyo 609 display what it is receiving?
On my Denon AVR-4310 I can display at least the sampling frequency (e.g. 96 kHz).
Maybe you have to look in the user manual?
post #1062 of 1810
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Originally Posted by drSeehas View Post

Can't the Onkyo 609 display what it is receiving?
On my Denon AVR-4310 I can display at least the sampling frequency (e.g. 96 kHz).
Maybe you have to look in the user manual?

yes, it does display multichannel and PCM but no sample freq. thx
post #1063 of 1810
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Originally Posted by slim9 View Post

yes, it does display multichannel and PCM but no sample freq. thx

Solution: Buy a better AVR ;-)
post #1064 of 1810
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Originally Posted by drSeehas View Post

Solution: Buy a better AVR ;-)

seem to have solved it. Found an info screen on the Onkyo

Input = Multichannel PCM 48 kHz 5.1

Output = Multichannel 5.1 ch

So it appears the Pioneer 140 is reducing the 96 to 48kHz. is that possible? if so, why? i thought bitstream was bitstream.

Also, DTS HD Mstr audio is showing up as 48Khz - is this the normal sample rate?
post #1065 of 1810
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Originally Posted by slim9 View Post

seem to have solved it. Found an info screen on the Onkyo

Input = Multichannel PCM 48 kHz 5.1

Output = Multichannel 5.1 ch

So it appears the Pioneer 140 is reducing the 96 to 48kHz. is that possible? if so, why? i thought bitstream was bitstream.

Also, DTS HD Mstr audio is showing up as 48Khz - is this the normal sample rate?

on movies, 48Khz is prevalent even for DTS-MA. perfectly normal.

If you have a blu-ray audio disc, tho, you could see higher, 96 or 192, depending on the recording. IIRC, all you will ever see for movies is 48. Blu-rays with PCM tracks, like early Sony's, were 48 only, nothing higher.
post #1066 of 1810
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Originally Posted by slim9 View Post

seem to have solved it. Found an info screen on the Onkyo ...

And this info screen wasn't mentioned in the user manual?

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... i thought bitstream was bitstream ...

Sure, bitstream is bitstream. BUT: Only if the source is bitstream. 96/24 PCM .wav files are not bitstream.
post #1067 of 1810
Got my BDP-140 yesterday, and got confused.

_http: //www.pioneerelectronics.ca/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/BDP-140%20Single%20Sheet.pdf

Pioneer tells us that this model supports PQLS, but neither in setup settings or manual i didn't find any mention of it.
Manual points to BDP-440...

Is this an error or misleading? Should i return it? PQLS was a sale point for me... :-(
post #1068 of 1810
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Originally Posted by drSeehas View Post

And this info screen wasn't mentioned in the user manual?

Sure, bitstream is bitstream. BUT: Only if the source is bitstream. 96/24 PCM .wav files are not bitstream.

thx Dr. I feel an epiphany coming on. I thought that setting the 140 to audio output = bitstream meant that I'm simply asking the player to send the all data from the disk to the AVR for decoding. You're saying that's not the case? The iTraks file are 5.1 96/24 PCM. And I'm not sure I can hear the difference between 48 and 96 but I'd like to try!!

now the question is how do I achieve 96/24 through the Onkyo? Media server? I have an iMac and external drives, can that be configured? off topic.

thanks all for the insight!
post #1069 of 1810
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Originally Posted by drSeehas View Post

And this info screen wasn't mentioned in the user manual?

Sure, bitstream is bitstream. BUT: Only if the source is bitstream. 96/24 PCM .wav files are not bitstream.

found the info on this site and the manual has it on page 40.
Info*3 ␣You can view the information of the following
items: Audio, Video and Tuner.

not real descriptive

but page 41 tells all.
post #1070 of 1810
It's been pretty quiet from Chris Walker over the last weeks, hasn't it? I'm really curious what's going on with firmware updates and bug-fixing...I can get a good deal on VSX-2021, which seems pretty awesome, so it turns out I'm gonna be a Pio hoe for another year, at least... but I do rely on Pioneer's help with the BDP-440's sickness
post #1071 of 1810
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Originally Posted by slim9 View Post

... I thought that setting the 140 to audio output = bitstream meant that I'm simply asking the player to send the all data from the disk to the AVR for decoding. You're saying that's not the case?

No.
The player IS/should sending the data from the disk to the AVR. But 96/24 LPCM .wav files are not compressed and therefore not "bitstreamed" data like Dolby or dts.

Bitstream implies some sort of compression and the decompression can be done either in the player or in the receiver. When the player is set to bitstream, the decompression will be done in the receiver.
If the source file isn't compressed (as with LPCM), this setting doesn't matter.

You had your epiphany now?

I don't know, why your Onkyo receiver shows a 5.1 96kHz/24 LPCM .wav file as being only 48 kHz. Are you sure, it IS really 96 kHz? Have you tried another player and the Onkyo receiver shows 96kHz feed by the other player?
What maximum frequency (Audio Output > Downsampling 48k or 96k or 192 k) have you set in your player? Maybe here is the limitation. Please check this setting!
post #1072 of 1810
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Originally Posted by SergeUA View Post

Got my BDP-140 yesterday, and got confused.

_http: //www.pioneerelectronics.ca/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/BDP-140%20Single%20Sheet.pdf

Pioneer tells us that this model supports PQLS, but neither in setup settings or manual i didn't find any mention of it.
Manual points to BDP-440...

Is this an error or misleading? Should i return it? PQLS was a sale point for me... :-(

Pioneer never stated BDP-140 supported PQLS...as a basic model in their 2011 lineup, it was never meant to have it...it starts at BDP-440...
post #1073 of 1810
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Originally Posted by jleholeho View Post

Pioneer never stated BDP-140 supported PQLS...as a basic model in their 2011 lineup, it was never meant to have it...it starts at BDP-440...

Have you read the attached Link?
http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/eph...le%20Sheet.pdf
In this BDP-140 document Pioneer stated PQLS for the BDP-140.
post #1074 of 1810
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Originally Posted by drSeehas View Post

No.
The player IS/should sending the data from the disk to the AVR. But 96/24 LPCM .wav files are not compressed and therefore not "bitstreamed" data like Dolby or dts.

Bitstream implies some sort of compression and the decompression can be done either in the player or in the receiver. When the player is set to bitstream, the decompression will be done in the receiver.
If the source file isn't compressed (as with LPCM), this setting doesn't matter.

You had your epiphany now?

I don't know, why your Onkyo receiver shows a 5.1 96kHz/24 LPCM .wav file as being only 48 kHz. Are you sure, it IS really 96 kHz? Have you tried another player and the Onkyo receiver shows 96kHz feed by the other player?
What maximum frequency (Audio Output > Downsampling 48k or 96k or 192 k) have you set in your player? Maybe here is the limitation. Please check this setting!



Epiphany achieved. I now have 96/24 being played via USB through the Pio 140 and reporting 96K!! I'll assume it's 24bit but it doesn't say.

Onkyo displays MultiCh PCM 5.1 96K in & out and the HD recorded Mozart Quintets & Quartet 5.1 from Stage or Audience perspective is sonic glory!! Granted these can be 600MB + (per movement) but iTrax.com really has it together.

Also converted 96/24 D. Fagen stuff from flac to wav and Onkyo reports 96K 2.0 PCM in and 2.1 PCM out. only thing to figure out is a "pop" of white noise between songs.

Downsampling set to 192K. now will buy 2TB external HDD fat32 and we are golden.

thanks a ton Dr. !!
post #1075 of 1810
ooops - pg 21 "USB external hard disks cannot be connected to the player".
post #1076 of 1810
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Originally Posted by purdyd View Post

Awesome

So can you use an external hdd on the rear USB port formatted with NTFS and play

FLAC
1080p mkv the 3 common encodings
DVD and blu-ray iso image
And if that works sacd iso image

Avchd 60 30 24 in other words support new avchd 2.0 video cameras

I'm not holding my breath for a 'few' software updates


Planning on external USB 2.0 to back of 140. can you please confirm that gapless playback is support. Via front USB w/PCM 96/24 2 & 5.1 ch I'm getting a pop between tracks. 16G card via card reader - tell me that's the weak lik.

thx.
post #1077 of 1810
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Originally Posted by slim9 View Post

ooops - pg 21 "USB external hard disks cannot be connected to the player".

Fortunately the manual is wrong

Unfortunately it has not been updated
post #1078 of 1810
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Originally Posted by slim9 View Post

...the HD recorded Mozart Quintets & Quartet 5.1 from Stage or Audience perspective is sonic glory!! Granted these can be 600MB + (per movement) but iTrax.com really has it together.

OT but on iTrax this PCM 24/96 download costs:
2.0 $21.99
5.1 Audience $27.99
5.1 Stage $27.99

The 3D BD (all the above plus video) from AIX Records is $34.98 (+S/H?) surely is a better deal?
post #1079 of 1810
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Originally Posted by purdyd View Post

Fortunately the manual is wrong

Unfortunately it has not been updated

saw that thx. I'm pressing on with 2 TB NTFS. hopefully will solve the gap "pop" issue.

If anyone would like me to test other formats, file types, etc let me know and I'll do my best.
post #1080 of 1810
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Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

OT but on iTrax this PCM 24/96 download costs:
2.0 $21.99
5.1 Audience $27.99
5.1 Stage $27.99

The 3D BD (all the above plus video) from AIX Records is $34.98 (+S/H?) surely is a better deal?

Roger that kilian! just wanted it to work. Heck, CA needs the revenue . Good people at iTrax
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