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post #1711 of 1810
BDP-140 CAN'T payback original DVD-A disks as it does not have the decryption keys! It's like connecting BD ROM drive to media player without BD license - it will playback home made BD disks but not commercial as it would not have the decryption keys for them. The same with DVD-A on BDP-140 - it will playback non-commercial DVD-A or DVD-A with removed keys. I would not say how to do that as it's grey area... You need BDP-450 with full DVD-A license for DVD-A
post #1712 of 1810
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Originally Posted by borland View Post

BDP-140 CAN'T payback original DVD-A disks as it does not have the decryption keys! It's like connecting BD ROM drive to media player without BD license - it will playback home made BD disks but not commercial as it would not have the decryption keys for them. The same with DVD-A on BDP-140 - it will playback non-commercial DVD-A or DVD-A with removed keys. I would not say how to do that as it's grey area... You need BDP-450 with full DVD-A license for DVD-A

Prior to this I could play commercial DVD-A without any issues? I have a collection of about a dozen, and that was the reason I bought this model in the first place. And according to the manual (http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/StaticFiles/Manuals/Home/BDP-140_OperatingInstructions092011.pdf) pg 8, DVD-A is playable.

Is there anyway I can roll back the firmware? I feel stupid for messing with it now. frown.gif
Edited by D4ne - 5/28/13 at 6:29am
post #1713 of 1810
I don't know how you could play commercial protected DVD-A on a player which did not support DVD-A. The manual is misleading as it refers to BDP-440 model as well. it also states that MKV is only supported to 720p which is not true. It's limited by profile which should be below 5 and it supports full HD 1080p MKV with profile 4.1.
On page 32 there is a table which gives you better idea what this player supports. On the top of the table it does have ref to DVD-A -2 and if you have a look under the table - it's BDP-440 which is true.
You can roll back to the original FW but it will never help with DVD-A. Even worse - you will loose the ability to play back unprotected DVD-A. Have a look at the original specs yourself http://www.pioneer.eu/uk/products/archive/BDP-140/page.html - I can't see DVD-A
And have a look at the BDP-440 specs which clearly states DVD-A support!
http://www.pioneer.eu/uk/products/archive/BDP-440/page.html
Good luck and don't roll back!
post #1714 of 1810
Up until yesterday I was playing & enjoying my entire DVD-A collection...so I'm not sure why!

I appreciate your advice, but back to my original question - when I attempt to roll the firmware back, it claims the USB key does not contain any update files, but the 3 files are present and accounted for....do you have any ideas on what I'm doing wrong? When I first bought the unit, I updated the firmware and it worked fine. :-/
post #1715 of 1810
BDP-140 does not support DVD-A with CPPM protection!!! . If you don't believe me - just google it. Before trying to roll back - reset to factory defaults, re-install CFW, factory defaults again. If you use activation free CFW - If you can - try CFW which requires activation. Some activation free CFW versions have some weird problems. I have BDP-140 with activated 4.03 CFW which works fine apart from a very minor known bug with file sorting. Not a problem for me. Non commercial DVD-A work just fine. Flac files work without renaming as well. plus of course BD ISO and 3BD ISO.
If you still want to roll back - what original FW do you want to install - 1.08? What files do you have on your USB stick?
Edited by borland - 5/28/13 at 11:40am
post #1716 of 1810
The player had 1.08 on it when purchased, and I subsequently moved to 1.17, which is what I've attempted to do again unsuccessfully. I downloaded the ZIP file from here:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/BDP_140/BDP-140_V01.17.zip

I unzipped the file, as per the instructions, and copied the following 3 files to the usb stick:

BDP-140_V01.17.bin
DLdiscidentifier.txt
DVD.bin

When I then attempt to perform the upgrade, I get this message "No valid update file is found! Please insert the right one …"
post #1717 of 1810
rename BDP-140_V01.17.bin
to
BDP-140_SP.bin

try to re flash. I've never had 1.17 but 1.08 roll back worked fine. give me some idea what DVD-A you are trying to playback. Any CPPM protection?
Good luck
post #1718 of 1810
post #1719 of 1810
The name change worked! And now my DVD-A's work again! I'm not sure if there's a technical way to show you that they work, but here is an unscientific picture: [IMG]http[/IMG]

Thanks so much for the advice...now I can save the Oppo purchase I was dreading.
Edited by D4ne - 5/30/13 at 7:12am
post #1720 of 1810
DVD-A often contains DD or dts surround (lossy/compressed/low res) mix that can be played in any DVD-Video player. Your picture does suggest this is indeed the case. If it is able to play the high res DVD-Audio tracks then the DVD-A menu should show up.
post #1721 of 1810
Ah ok, that makes sense now. Weird that they wouldn't play with the custom firmware though.

Maybe the Oppo is back on the buy-list then. :-/
post #1722 of 1810
You can still consider the other Pioneer models esp. when you're no longer using cfw. There is no shortage of choice.
post #1723 of 1810
I just didn't want to spend the money if I didn't have to...nothing personal against oppo.
post #1724 of 1810
FYI
Lots of retail DVDA discs don't contain any copy protection.
post #1725 of 1810
Not sure if you ever need it, but here's a link to the official FW 1.08 from Pioneer: http://www.pioneer.eu/files/support/BDP/BDP-140_V01.08.zip
Since this comes from a European server I'm also not sure if there are any differences to American/Asian models.
post #1726 of 1810
Ive just updated to Mr. Gao Qing Professional Edition 8 juni 2013 smile.gif
Seems to work well. I had no trouble installing, and i didnt have to activate it again. (Ive had the older cfw activated before)
post #1727 of 1810
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Originally Posted by bendikh View Post

Ive just updated to Mr. Gao Qing Professional Edition 8 juni 2013 smile.gif
Seems to work well. I had no trouble installing, and i didnt have to activate it again. (Ive had the older cfw activated before)
I'm still waiting for the 150 version. I suppose the >4GB sacd.iso playback issue hasn't been fixed yet, or am I wrong? Did you try to play DVDA/V DVD9 iso from network?
post #1728 of 1810
Yesterday I got my Pioneer BDP-140, and I'm having some some troubles I didn't expect.

My plan is to use it more as a media player that can eventually play a DVD or BD disc, which almost all simpler media-palyers can't do.

But I need subtitles support for mkv files, and this model seems to do less than my former BD player (LG BD390) did in that area.

I also can't seem to make it see my network with DLNA.

Important: I did install the Chinese firmware, which apparently has more support for subtitles, but I wonder if it didn't get things worst.

But I'm beginning to think this Pioneer might have been a bad choice for my needs.
post #1729 of 1810
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Originally Posted by Carlos Martinez View Post

Yesterday I got my Pioneer BDP-140, and I'm having some some troubles I didn't expect.

My plan is to use it more as a media player that can eventually play a DVD or BD disc, which almost all simpler media-palyers can't do.

But I need subtitles support for mkv files, and this model seems to do less than my former BD player (LG BD390) did in that area.

I also can't seem to make it see my network with DLNA.

Important: I did install the Chinese firmware, which apparently has more support for subtitles, but I wonder if it didn't get things worst.

But I'm beginning to think this Pioneer might have been a bad choice for my needs.
I rarely watch mkv's so I cannot comment your subtitle problem. The subtitle of a Furious 6 mkv web-download was OK, although the playback was flawy ('cloggy') on my 150. My Oppo BDP-93 plays that video fine. Regarding network playback generally I can see & play all the supported media from my NAS. I have the Apr 30 2013 cfw.
post #1730 of 1810
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Regarding network playback generally I can see & play all the supported media from my NAS. I have the Apr 30 2013 cfw.

How did you setup your network?

This is not my first streaming unit, or connecting stuff to my network. My computer should be visible on the DLNA options, and it's not.. The diagnostic says the network is OK, so where are the files?
post #1731 of 1810
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Originally Posted by Carlos Martinez View Post

How did you setup your network?

This is not my first streaming unit, or connecting stuff to my network. My computer should be visible on the DLNA options, and it's not.. The diagnostic says the network is OK, so where are the files?
Actually I don't share media from my PC, I do it only from my NAS (Zyxel NSA-210). In my NAS I enable my shares and set their permission type to 'Public'. In the Home Media Gallery of my Pio 150 I do Network Search and after a couple of seconds I see my Network in the first row of the menu. Inside Network, within the appropriate media type (eg. video), I can find the folders of my shared media.
post #1732 of 1810
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Originally Posted by grill View Post

Actually I don't share media from my PC, I do it only from my NAS (Zyxel NSA-210). In my NAS I enable my shares and set their permission type to 'Public'. In the Home Media Gallery of my Pio 150 I do Network Search and after a couple of seconds I see my Network in the first row of the menu. Inside Network, within the appropriate media type (eg. video), I can find the folders of my shared media.

I don't know what NAS is. In my case I network things from my computer, with Windows 7, where the files are share enabled for "Everyone", which is what I use on my LG BD390 and on my WD TV. Both of them see my folders in that way.

How should I proceed with the Pioneer?
post #1733 of 1810
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Originally Posted by Carlos Martinez View Post

This is not my first streaming unit, or connecting stuff to my network. My computer should be visible on the DLNA options, and it's not.. The diagnostic says the network is OK, so where are the files?

You need to install a DLNA server like Twonky (Wikipedia - DLNA) and share folders with videos, music etc.
post #1734 of 1810
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Originally Posted by Advizer View Post

You need to install a DLNA server like Twonky (Wikipedia - DLNA) and share folders with videos, music etc.

I might be beginning to understand. I was confusing DLNA with ADSL, which is very much alike on what it does.

All my units (LG BD390, WD TV, Panasonic TV probably) use ADSL to communicate with my computer, and I wonder why Pioneer didn't pick that path, which is more universal.

I've heard things about Twonky having some issues, but I will install it and see.
post #1735 of 1810
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Originally Posted by Carlos Martinez View Post

I might be beginning to understand. I was confusing DLNA with ADSL, which is very much alike on what it does.

All my units (LG BD390, WD TV, Panasonic TV probably) use ADSL to communicate with my computer, and I wonder why Pioneer didn't pick that path, which is more universal.

.
I am sorry pal but you've completely messed up everything. Your have no clue what is DLNA, NAS, NFS and even ADSL. Just try google this stuff step by step before making statements like
All my units (LG BD390, WD TV, Panasonic TV probably) use ADSL to communicate with my computer, and I wonder why Pioneer didn't pick that path, which is more universal.
Honestly - nothing personal and no offence.
Good luck
post #1736 of 1810
Maybe not so much. On some things I just want to know the minimum necessary to get things going. On this matter it is.

AFAIK both are network protocols, which you can't say they are not, and the only thing I want to know is which is the simpler one. The rest I leave it to the experts.

Whatever it is, I do think you are over exaggerating to my use of words, which may not be the most adequate, but do show something: Pioneer seems to have chosen the DLNA protocol, which needs a program on the PC to handle things. Right?
post #1737 of 1810
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Originally Posted by Carlos Martinez View Post

Maybe not so much. On some things I just want to know the minimum necessary to get things going. On this matter it is.

AFAIK both are network protocols, which you can't say they are not, and the only thing I want to know is which is the simpler one. The rest I leave it to the experts.

Whatever it is, I do think you are over exaggerating to my use of words, which may not be the most adequate, but do show something: Pioneer seems to have chosen the DLNA protocol, which needs a program on the PC to handle things. Right?
To tell the truth I'm also no media sharing specialist, that's why I did a quick google search and found this useful Samba setup guide for Win7. I tried it and it worked on my PC and Pio 150 just fine: http://swerdna.dyndns.org/susesambawin7.html After Network Search my PC shares appeared in the appropriate media type folders within Network of Home Media Gallery. Hope this helps.
post #1738 of 1810
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Originally Posted by Carlos Martinez View Post

I might be beginning to understand. I was confusing DLNA with ADSL, which is very much alike on what it does.

All my units (LG BD390, WD TV, Panasonic TV probably) use ADSL to communicate with my computer, and I wonder why Pioneer didn't pick that path, which is more universal.

I've heard things about Twonky having some issues, but I will install it and see.
OK let's put this way - from wiki - Asymmetric digital subscriber line (ADSL) is a type of digital subscriber line (DSL) technology, a data communications technology that enables faster data transmission over copper telephone lines than a conventional voiceband modem can provide. It does this by utilizing frequencies that are not used by a voice telephone call.[1] A splitter, or DSL filter, allows a single telephone connection to be used for both ADSL service and voice calls at the same time. ADSL can generally only be distributed over short distances from the telephone exchange (the last mile), typically less than 4 kilometres (2 mi),[2] but has been known to exceed 8 kilometres (5 mi) if the originally laid wire gauge allows for further distribution.
So it's nothing to do with file sharing. Most TV, DVD players, consoles use DLNA. From wiki -the Digital Living Network Alliance (DLNA) is a non-profit collaborative trade organization established by Sony in June 2003, that is responsible for defining interoperability guidelines to enable sharing of digital media between multimedia devices.[3] These guidelines are built upon existing public standards, but the guidelines themselves are private (available for a fee). These guidelines specify a set of restricted ways of using the standards to achieve interoperability.[DLNA uses Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) for media management, discovery and control.[5] UPnP defines the type of device that DLNA supports ("server", "renderer", "controller") and the mechanisms for accessing media over a network. The DLNA guidelines then apply a layer of restrictions over the types of media file format, encodings and resolutions that a device must suppor4]
However DLNA has a lot of restrictions. For example you can't access ISO files via DLNA. There are other protocols like NFS and SAMBA which are more flexible. However you need CFW 5.0+ to have it on Pio 150 or 140.
post #1739 of 1810
OK, I humbly excuse myself for mixing up my terms, as in fact it seems I was always talking of two different ways to interface the media player and the computer with DLNA. No ADSL whatsoever.

Both DNLA fashions are based on my empirical way to deal with the LG BD390 first, and recently with the WD TV Live Streaming. The LG did have a Nero media server that you could use for the DLNA interface. That way was tricky and problematic, and luckily I was advised to go on a different path.

This path was easier on XP and less so in Win 7, where you authorized the folders that were to be shared, very much like on Samba and others. The LG could then see the folders directly and play the files, no media server to deal with apparently.

It was similar on the WD TV, even if the software playing the files is a bit more trickier than on the LG.

The Pioneer seems to work differently, and it can't see the files by itself. You do have to install a media server for that.
post #1740 of 1810
Windows 7 has a DLNA server built into it.. It takes all of about 5 min to run through the instructions to get Windows 7 sharing media on your network. If new movies don’t always show up on your list of files it’s Windows Media Player that’s doing the indexing of the movie list – you have media player running for the new files to show up. So, if you ever fire up your DNLA end point and can’t see a file, fire up Media Player on your sharing device and that should solve the problem.
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