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post #391 of 1810
Hi Chris, please can you answer the following on the upcoming Elite BDP-53FD? Thanks.

1. Does it use Mediatek MT8530 chip?
2. Is the whole platform (PCB) also Mediatek?
3. What is the audio DAC?
4. Does it support 50i DVD and BD-ROM video?
5. Can it output 720p24 BD as is without converting to 720p60?
6. Can it output 1080p24 from 480i60 DVDs?
7. Does it have video Source Direct?
8. Can it decode 5.1 24-bit 192kHz dts-HD MA to 5.1 24/192 PCM and not downsampling it to 24/96 like all current standalone players do?
9. Canadian MSRP and
10. launch same time as the US?
post #392 of 1810
HI

I have the bdp-140, plays mkv 1080 NTFS disk. BDP-440 appears to be the same functionally.
The interface is very austere, poor.
No track number when playing the CD and SACD - Pioneer please do something with this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The player works fast. I hope that the BDP-LX55 will be more polished and will have a more powerful interface (OSD)
post #393 of 1810
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Originally Posted by AtDaBeach View Post

Cant wait to see if the performance of this matches up to the Oppo.

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Originally Posted by iontyre View Post

Source direct is absolutely essential for me, unless they can include some kind of forced 1080 24p mode.

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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

no 1080 mkv, no NTFS, no subtitle shift.

The BDP-53FD is probably going to be a fine transport, but these are major short comings in my opinion given the price point. Presently, the only reason I see to purchase this transport is to match your current Pioneer gear. I compared the features of the 53FD with those of the Oppo BDP-93 and Pioneer comes up way short for my needs. I would like to think that Pioneer was aware of what the competition was offering in this price range prior to releasing the specs. Other than the reason already mentioned why would someone buy the current Pioneer offerings instead of a competitor?

I am thoroughly enjoying my 320s.
post #394 of 1810
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

... Oppo BDP-93 ... I would like to think that Pioneer was aware of what the competition was offering in this price range prior to releasing the specs. Other than the reason already mentioned why would someone buy the current Pioneer offerings instead of a competitor? ...

There is not only competition from Oppo.
There are also models in this price range from e.g. Yamaha, Denon and Marantz.
post #395 of 1810
1. Do the BDP-140, BDP-52FD, and BDP-53FD use the MT8520, MT8530, or something else for SoC?

2. I am thinking about pulling the trigger on the BDP-52FD anytime soon. When compared to the BDP-53FD, my reservations are:

A. Will the BDP-53FD use the same Marvell circuitry as found in the VSX-32 A/V receiver?

B. Is the disc mechanism in the BDP-52FD a step up from the disc mechanism in the BDP-140? For example, does the tray have rubber or foam insulation as found on the DV-58AV and BDP-23FD? I know that the BDP-53FD will have a lot in this regard, but I would rather do the upgrade now. However, if what I am looking for is not to be found in the BDP-52FD, then I would rather wait, as painful as that might be.
post #396 of 1810
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Originally Posted by 67 - 427 View Post

Have an optional classic elite urushi finish available

Yes. The urushi look is distinctive and I'd like it to match my older Elite receiver.
post #397 of 1810
Urushi finish is...uhmmmm, finished... No more.

The only dilemma for me right now is PQLS.

Oppo 93 can do everything and includes wifi dongle for $500. If I go with Pioneer route, I'$$ end up paying $650 with wifi dongle.
post #398 of 1810
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Originally Posted by drago44 View Post

HI

I have the bdp-140, plays mkv 1080 NTFS disk. BDP-440 appears to be the same functionally.
The interface is very austere, poor.
No track number when playing the CD and SACD -(OSD)

that is good news about NTFS and MKV 1080

no track number on the display? that is very odd - i don't think i have ever seen a player without that

the BDP-140/440 and BDP-52FD manuals seem to be essentially the same

i bought a SC-55 receiver and have been putting off buying a new blu-ray player to see what the new BD pioneers will be like

PQLS, a common look, and integration with the AV2 app would be a good selling point

but if if the BDP-53FD doesn't have the features of the oppo at the same price it is a real hard sell
post #399 of 1810
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Originally Posted by purdyd View Post

Absolutely! The manual pretty clearly states FAT only.

Also no specific information on what is supported thru USB vice streaming

No FLAC?

What about ISO images BD or DVD?

To me, if the unit doesn't have support for 1080p mkv NTFS, and ISO file playback using the USB port, then it is a no go

If u want to improve things, I think HMG needs some sprucing up, I hope the jpeg playback is better than on the SC-55 which is atrocious and not even the Right aspect

And I hope that the method entering pandora and Netflix account information can make use of a keyboard or the AV2 app

It was very painful to register my SC-55 on pandora --- hot tip, have an email account AAA@AAA.com with password AAA

I have a feeling that the Fat 16/32 for usb may be referring to a usb "thumb drive" & not an usb harddrive; probably need much clarification regarding what is connected.

I've used a keyboard on both the LG 570 & the Sony s570; it works for login, password & search. It was just some characters like a "/" or "\\" won't do; didn't try all the characters available tho.
post #400 of 1810
@walkamo

Chris,

Thanks again for demonstrating some bravery in publicly and candidly posting on this thread. It's rare and we appreciate it even if it's often greeted with gripes and folks reasonably and unreasonably asking for features.

One thing that I know has been discussed in the past, but remains an area of potential competitive improvement is overlain osd for your receivers. There are a number of us that have their equipment tucked in cabinetry or separate rooms, far from eyeshot.

It's kept me in the Denon and Yamaha camp du jour.

Any chance this might be incorporated into future models?
post #401 of 1810
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Originally Posted by citrus View Post

I have a feeling that the Fat 16/32 for usb may be referring to a usb "thumb drive" & not an usb harddrive; probably need much clarification regarding what is connected.

I've used a keyboard on both the LG 570 & the Sony s570; it works for login, password & search. It was just some characters like a "/" or "\\" won't do; didn't try all the characters available tho.

that is likely the case in regards to NTFS - the manual seems to be lacking in details

well fresh off the pioneer SC-55 receiver, the keyboard only uses the arrow keys for entering information so if you want to enter a lower case letter, you are scrolling through the capital letters and numbers

i was hoping the fancy icontrol app was the solution but... it does not let you enter in the username password, but it will display it as you try to enter it

woe be to you if you make a mistake in entering as you start all over again

simply hoping that the new BD players are not that primitive
post #402 of 1810
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

One thing that I know has been discussed in the past, but remains an area of potential competitive improvement is overlain osd for your receivers. There are a number of us that have their equipment tucked in cabinetry or separate rooms, far from eyeshot.?

to me the answer for this and the loss of the RF remote from the SC-37 is iControlAV running on an android or iOS platform
post #403 of 1810
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Originally Posted by drSeehas View Post

There is not only competition from Oppo.
There are also models in this price range from e.g. Yamaha, Denon and Marantz.

drSeehas,

You are correct about the other models, but they have similar shortcomings on features also when compared to the Oppo. There may be a feature or two (nothing significant for my needs come to mind) that the others have that the Oppo doesn't, but the Oppo is offers more than what it may be lacking in comparison in my opinion.

Unless you are a brand loyalist or don't need those features that differentiate the Oppo then there are other options besides the Pioneer or Oppo as you indicated.

We all have different needs aand criteria's to why we buy what we buy.
post #404 of 1810
Yamaha, Denon, Marantz are not even an option when compared to the 53FD. The other players in the same class are Oppo (for $500 including wifi dongle) and Onkyo (for $700 after buying their wifi dongle).
post #405 of 1810
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

@walkamo

Chris,

Thanks again for demonstrating some bravery in publicly and candidly posting on this thread. It's rare and we appreciate it even if it's often greeted with gripes and folks reasonably and unreasonably asking for features.

One thing that I know has been discussed in the past, but remains an area of potential competitive improvement is overlain osd for your receivers. There are a number of us that have their equipment tucked in cabinetry or separate rooms, far from eyeshot.

It's kept me in the Denon and Yamaha camp du jour.

Any chance this might be incorporated into future models?


Hi Winston,

I can assure you that we push for this feature every year. Of course I cannot disclose any features for next year at this time, however I can tell you that I made everyone's requests from these forums very clear to the folks in Japan....

Thanks,

Chris Walker
Pioneer Electronics
post #406 of 1810
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Urushi finish is...uhmmmm, finished... No more.

The only dilemma for me right now is PQLS.

Oppo 93 can do everything and includes wifi dongle for $500. If I go with Pioneer route, I'$$ end up paying $650 with wifi dongle.

Hi David,

I have been playing with the 52 tonight at home, took some screenshots and did a couple of quick videos showing the speed of the player (Power On, Tray Open when powered off, and Disc load times for BD and DVD).

I will post in the next couple of minutes...

I have to admit I was surprised of the load time for Blu-ray. I used the movie The Eagle. The Oppo BDP-93 took 44 seconds from tray close to disc menu (Choose which version), the BDP-52FD took 33.4 seconds.. Not too shabby.... I have not done any other load comparisons yet, but I am more than happy to if anyone has any requests..

I have not had a chance to try the PQLS at this point..

I understand everyone's frustration with the wi-fi solution we offer. I know it is not the most economical. The AS-WL300 is a Wi-FI bridge (Not a simple Wi-Fi usb), which is the reason for the higher price. You should be able to use any wi-fi bridge with the player (Newegg sells one for $59.99)..

Of course if you plan on streaming 1080p files you are much better off running a hard line...

Chris Walker
Pioneer Electronics
post #407 of 1810
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Originally Posted by purdyd View Post

that is likely the case in regards to NTFS - the manual seems to be lacking in details

well fresh off the pioneer SC-55 receiver, the keyboard only uses the arrow keys for entering information so if you want to enter a lower case letter, you are scrolling through the capital letters and numbers

i was hoping the fancy icontrol app was the solution but... it does not let you enter in the username password, but it will display it as you try to enter it

woe be to you if you make a mistake in entering as you start all over again

simply hoping that the new BD players are not that primitive

As far as entering username and passwords for the BD players, we have to use the input methods that each service provider requests.... Not as painful as the receivers...

Chris Walker
Pioneer Electronics
post #408 of 1810
Here are some the GUI images for the BDP-52FD. Sorry they are not the greatest images.....I am having our video guy capture the GUI directly from the HDMI jack so that I can get higher quality ones in the next couple of weeks..

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A few more in a couple of minutes..

Chris Walker
Pioneer Electronics
post #409 of 1810
Here are the last of them... I am going to try and embed a couple of videos as well..

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Chris Walker
Pioneer Electronics
post #410 of 1810
See if these work.. Sorry for the bad PQ. I will try and film new ones tomorrow are work..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSskZQPiIps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sE-KYc5N4A
post #411 of 1810
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Originally Posted by Walkamo View Post

See if these work.. Sorry for the bad PQ. I will try and film new ones tomorrow are work..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSskZQPiIps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sE-KYc5N4A

thanks chris for the photos and videos
post #412 of 1810
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Yamaha, Denon, Marantz are not even an option when compared to the 53FD...

This thread is not solely about the 53FD. There are the BDP-140 and BDP-440/52FD too.
Could you please explicate why the Yamaha, Denon, Marantz BD players are not even an option.
post #413 of 1810
Hi Chris,
Can Checkerboard 3D be added with firmware update?
post #414 of 1810
hi Chris, another question for the BDP 53FD/LX55 :
Can you confirm if the 2nd HDMI (sub) can output the sound in PCM and bitstream ?
thanks for the reply
post #415 of 1810
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

Hi Chris, please can you answer the following on the upcoming Elite BDP-53FD? Thanks.

1. Does it use Mediatek MT8530 chip?
2. Is the whole platform (PCB) also Mediatek?
3. What is the audio DAC?
4. Does it support 50i DVD and BD-ROM video?
5. Can it output 720p24 BD as is without converting to 720p60?
6. Can it output 1080p24 from 480i60 DVDs?
7. Does it have video Source Direct?
8. Can it decode 5.1 24-bit 192kHz dts-HD MA to 5.1 24/192 PCM and not downsampling it to 24/96 like all current standalone players do?
9. Canadian MSRP and
10. launch same time as the US?

Here are some answers questions.. Give me a bit to find out the rest..


1. Does it use Mediatek MT8530 chip? The chipset is the MT8555
2. Is the whole platform (PCB) also Mediatek? Nope. Pioneer designed board (PQLS and other unique features)
3. What is the audio DAC? AK4480 (192kHz 32-bit)
4. Does it support 50i DVD and BD-ROM video?
5. Can it output 720p24 BD as is without converting to 720p60?
6. Can it output 1080p24 from 480i60 DVDs?
7. Does it have video Source Direct? Nope
8. Can it decode 5.1 24-bit 192kHz dts-HD MA to 5.1 24/192 PCM and not downsampling it to 24/96 like all current standalone players do?
9. Canadian MSRP and ? Don't know....
10. launch same time as the US?[/quote] Should be close....
post #416 of 1810
Quote:
Originally Posted by Walkamo View Post

As far as entering username and passwords for the BD players, we have to use the input methods that each service provider requests.... Not as painful as the receivers...

Chris Walker
Pioneer Electronics

that is good news!

i am certainly glad that you are taking time to post here and provide information

judging from what i read in the manuals, i would have given up on the Pioneer blu ray players if not for the additional details you have provided

for example this little tidbit from the BDP-52fd manual "USB external hard disks cannot be connected to the
player."

given that the BDP-440, BDP-52FD, and BDP-53FD will allow external hard disks formatted as NTFS to be connected and will support 1080P MKV from the rear USB connector

will any of the players support 192KHz 24 bit FLAC from HDD?
will any of the players support playback of a DVD or BD iso image from HDD?
post #417 of 1810
I just phoned in an order for the BDP-52FD from Pioneer's store. I'd say that it will arive in a week or two. I'll let you guys know what I think. I can't wait!
post #418 of 1810
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Originally Posted by Big C View Post

I just phoned in an order for the BDP-52FD from Pioneer's store. I'd say that it will arive in a week or two. I'll let you guys know what I think. I can't wait!

Cool, please let us know. I am looking to buy the 53FD when it becomes available in December. Hey what Pioneer store did you order from? The one in California closed up a while ago. That is where I ordered my HD1 back in '06.
post #419 of 1810
Thanks Chris for the pics and videos. As always, very much appreciated!
post #420 of 1810
Chris,
I am currently in the 30 day trial period for the Oppo BDP-95. I realize it is double the cost, but is there anything Pioneer's new players do that the Oppo 93/95 can't (not including iPhone stuff which I don't care about personally)? How is the DLNA implementation of the Pioneers? Does it support WMA lossless? Gapless playback? Metadata for WAV/PCM? Also, these new Pioneer players have Cinavia support embedded, correct? Thanks.
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