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post #31 of 342
6/5/11 at 7:10am
Thanks for the thread. Bontrager. Buckett thanks for the link excellent explanation. Of the 540 to 1080 algorithm. I was trying to ask about this over on the lg thread. I always felt toshibas picture clarity and detail rivaled. Sony but I felt thy had poor blacks and contrast not the "pop" of a samsung. But now with the led and lg panel and their "cell" processing chip developed. With lbm and sony id sure like to see one before l buy the chip is similar to what's in sonys playstation so with that processing power and speed it could do a nice lob on those algorithms. For 3d. Bigjoejgde congrates on you new set review also please...
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post #32 of 342
6/5/11 at 9:01am
I'd also love to hear any input lag numbers if the OP could do them. The passive LG having 90ms input lag even in game mode is what made me cross that set off my list.
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post #33 of 342
6/6/11 at 2:45pm
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I'd also love to hear any input lag numbers if the OP could do them. The passive LG having 90ms input lag even in game mode is what made me cross that set off my list.
Somewhere in an LG-focused thread (I THINK it is in the LCD Display area, in the dedicated thread for the 47LW5600 and 55LW5600, but I could be wrong), there have been a lot of posts regarding gaming lag on the LG passive sets, including one poster who did some testing of various settings, using one game's built-in latency/delay test (I want to say Rock Band - it was some sort of music game...). He had data to show the added delay provided by having Tru-Motion turned on, local-dimming, etc. etc. But even with these turned off (as in the pre-defined "Gaming mode"), the delay seemed relatively high.

This same poster just recently chimed in that by identifying his game console as a PC (on the input labeling menu), it basically eliminated the delays. (I'm paraphrasing, and forget what all he said - but you could probably find it with a little searching. But the key was to identify your game console as a PC....)

FWIW....

Later add: Here is a link to the post I was remembering (it's post # 1485): http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post20514505
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post #34 of 342
6/7/11 at 7:58am
I wish we could move this thread to "display devices --> LCD", where it would receive much more attention...
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post #35 of 342
6/7/11 at 4:31pm
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I wish we could move this thread to "display devices --> LCD", where it would receive much more attention...

No kidding. It would also be nice if the thread title could be changed to: "Toshiba TL515U Natural 3D Passive 1080P Dedicated Thread" or something similar to not make it seem restricted to the 55TL515U. Bigjoejgde attempted to make a thread like that, but bontrager had already made this one.

Bontrager, can you update the title of this thread?
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post #36 of 342
6/7/11 at 5:57pm
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[snip]... Also, does this TV have composite and component?

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post #37 of 342
6/7/11 at 5:59pm
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Can anyone confirm that there is not input lag using the Gaming Mode settings on the TL515U series of TVs? I recently bought an LG 47LW5600, but the input lag is way to bad to play Black Ops on my Xbox 360. I want to return it and possibly get a 47TL515U. This TV is on super sale right now (not sure for how long), but I don't want to pull the trigger on another failed gaming TV unless I know the lag is not an issue. Thanks.

Have you looked into DLP? No lag, perfect for gaming.
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post #38 of 342
6/8/11 at 1:10pm
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Somewhere in an LG-focused thread (I THINK it is in the LCD Display area, in the dedicated thread for the 47LW5600 and 55LW5600, but I could be wrong), there have been a lot of posts regarding gaming lag on the LG passive sets, including one poster who did some testing of various settings, using one game's built-in latency/delay test (I want to say Rock Band - it was some sort of music game...). He had data to show the added delay provided by having Tru-Motion turned on, local-dimming, etc. etc. But even with these turned off (as in the pre-defined "Gaming mode"), the delay seemed relatively high.

This same poster just recently chimed in that by identifying his game console as a PC (on the input labeling menu), it basically eliminated the delays. (I'm paraphrasing, and forget what all he said - but you could probably find it with a little searching. But the key was to identify your game console as a PC....)

FWIW....

Later add: Here is a link to the post I was remembering (it's post # 1485): http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post20514505

Interesting. Thanks for the link.

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Have you looked into DLP? No lag, perfect for gaming.

Plenty of DLPs have high lag. It has nothing to do with refresh rate or anything. It's about image processing.
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post #39 of 342
6/8/11 at 4:46pm
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Interesting. Thanks for the link.



Plenty of DLPs have high lag. It has nothing to do with refresh rate or anything. It's about image processing.

Ummm, which models? My WD-65835 doesn't lag.

Edit: It seems you might be referring old information. Here's a report from five years ago. http://gear.ign.com/articles/720/720303p2.html (Samsung's were horrible, Mitsubishis were lag-free)

Edit: and here's one from this month http://www.lcdtv.net/news/bad-hd-gam...w-range-060411

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Interestingly Mitsubishi's DLP models are reported as lag free...
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post #40 of 342
6/8/11 at 5:18pm
From another thread

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i cannot comment on samsung...you should probably visit the samsung threads (there are many threads with many knowledgeable persons who can answer your question).

for mitsubishi (since this is a mitsubishi thread) people have already answered your question several times.

If you dont trust these people, take your game console to a local mits dealer and test it out. It is probably the only way you will be truely satisfied.

If I simply told you that DLP is inherently a much faster technology than LCD or plasma you may not believe me (it's the mirrors). The processing speed of video/audio signal has little to do with the output display type and more to do with the analog to digital conversion and video processor that the product uses.
All types of displays (at least commercially available ones) must convert the video signal to some type of transport mediam such as TMDS or LVDS. That then interfaces with the display output, and in the case of flat panels have a response in the range of milliseconds where DLP is in the range of microseconds.
Simply suggesting that DLP is an inferior display type in the catagory of game lag has no merit. It all has to do with the processing of the audio and video which is done completely seperate of the display output type.
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post #41 of 342
6/14/11 at 12:08pm
Does anyone have a good calibration settings for this tv? Really appreciate it.
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post #42 of 342
6/15/11 at 3:05pm
Got my 42TL515U yesterday.2D & 3D is amazing,2D-3D conversion is ok..When playing 3D content the resolution is 1280×1470

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Does anyone have a good calibration settings for this tv? Really appreciate it.

Anybody?
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post #43 of 342
6/17/11 at 6:34am
The settings are by no means done by a professional. However, I did have a samsung d5150 plasma with unlocked 10pt calibration right next to it and toshiba pic came pretty darn close. Black is still a bit off but then I have yet to see a lcd/led match plasma's black level. You can tweak the backlight as much or as low to your liking.

Normal Light
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Picture Mode: Game
Backlight: 80
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 0
Color: -5
Tint: G11
Sharpness: 0

Colormaster: ON
Base Color Adjustment: RED: Hue:0, Saturation: -3, Brightness: +3

Color Temperature: 4
Dynalight: Off
Dynamic Contrast: 0
Static Gamma: -2

Low Light
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Picture Mode: Game
Backlight: 50
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 0
Color: -3
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

Colormaster: OFF

Color Temperature: 7
Dynalight: Off
Dynamic Contrast: 4
Static Gamma: 2
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post #44 of 342
6/17/11 at 6:44am
Here is a quick review of the toshiba 47 inch. I have tried LG passive one at home, and compared to LG, toshiba is way better. No clouding, backlight bleeding is very acceptable, almost never do the horizontal lines show up in 2d pic, 3d works very well.

Now on to bad stuff, toshiba software sucks, tv takes 10 seconds to come on. Frequently with SBS mkvs you get stuck with the tv thinking it is 2d signal and only gives you option to do 2d-3d. You have to restart tv to get the 3d SBS option. Their latest firmware from Jun 7th broke all nettv, yahoo widgets, etc. You can get to tier1 support pretty quickly, but have yet to hear back from tier2 after two days.

Don't know about gaming lag as only gaming we do is Kinect in our house, however, even with clearscan off and in game mode, I feel the quick panning scenes are better than any lcd I have seen.

To finish on a good note, I have been debating on active vs passive. After I compared samsung 51d550 active against this passive 3d, I am a passive 3d guy now.
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post #45 of 342
6/17/11 at 10:33am
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, I have been debating on active vs passive. After I compared samsung 51d550 active against this passive 3d, I am a passive 3d guy now.
Good to hear!

Any chance of some photos?
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post #46 of 342
6/19/11 at 10:47am
Thank you oneonefive..might have to go to mini apples or ohmyhaha. To see one.. don't know if tosh has any displays in iowa? Is you tv edge or full array back lit? Thanks..
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post #47 of 342
6/19/11 at 11:22am
Big joe, oneone, where did you see your displays? Where did you guys end up purchasing? Is tosh really that much more reasonable, price wise? If you guys or any one really,..
i read a couple world class. Review sites and they said these passive sets are basically excellent ..a few quibbles .etc; but excellent.. most saying they thought the larger screens showed the flaws of the technology more.. you guys who have lived with these large screen passives sets and have seen cable, dvds and. Less then pristine bluray and hidef at home relaxed and enjoying your new family enjoyment center,can you give those of us still on the fence a heads up, in the home review for regular viewers not just videophiles? Thanks
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post #48 of 342
6/19/11 at 5:35pm
I saw this at Futureshop here in Canada yesterday showing some sort of ocean video and I thought the 3D was great. I thought it looked better than the active 3D displays I saw. No ghosting or fatigue whatsoever. I am curious how the 2D performance is though as it would be replacing a 50" kuro which throws a beautiful image I am loathe to part with.
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post #49 of 342
6/20/11 at 10:11am
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Where did you guys end up purchasing?

Funny I spent the whole day yesterday looking for a new TV and ended up ordering this one off amazon without reading any reviews. Thank god I got this one, seems to be the bess knees right now. I should have mine Friday and will post up some actual pics of the friggin thing.

I paid $1589.00 and shipping was free...

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004MFDL3C/...YH2E95AJJSJNG&
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post #50 of 342
6/20/11 at 10:33am
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Big joe, oneone, where did you see your displays? Where did you guys end up purchasing? Is tosh really that much more reasonable, price wise? If you guys or any one really,..
i read a couple world class. Review sites and they said these passive sets are basically excellent ..a few quibbles .etc; but excellent.. most saying they thought the larger screens showed the flaws of the technology more.. you guys who have lived with these large screen passives sets and have seen cable, dvds and. Less then pristine bluray and hidef at home relaxed and enjoying your new family enjoyment center,can you give those of us still on the fence a heads up, in the home review for regular viewers not just videophiles? Thanks

I also live in Iowa..i bought the 42TL515U (I believe is edge lit as the tv is around 2" thick) from QVC and when it arrived to my house a paper on the tv box said it was shipped from DSI Systems Inc.?..Compared to my 37" LCD panasonic viera the 2D picture has richer colors,deeper blacks (better everything) and in GAME mode (3D is optional in this mode) the response time is really fast..The 3D is amazing (really good pop-out and depth),i played Super Stardust HD and COD:BO,and haven't seen any horizontal lines...The tv manual states the tv is "120V AC 60hz" which i guess explains why i can't get rid of "judder" on movies when the camera slowly pans across a scene,unless i turn film stabilization on smooth and the movie looks like it's playing in fast motion which i don't like so i leave it on standard...So theirs my words for whatever their worth
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post #51 of 342
6/21/11 at 11:53am
I got mine from nebraska furniture mart in KS. Mine has to go back because toshiba's unpublished firmware update (not published on the website but tv thought it needed it) killed all internet apps. I have called toshiba twice and never got a call back from tier2. Silver lining is that USAppliance.com has the same set for a few hundred cheaper and no tax.
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post #52 of 342
6/21/11 at 12:08pm
It MIGHT be the case that Fry's latest ad that has a "brand not named" 55" passive 3D 240Hz LED set on sale, is referring to the Toshiba 55TL515U. The ad refers to a list price of $2199, and a sale price of $1399.

They have previously had one or two brief sales on the LG 55LW5600 for $1199 (list price of $2399). But from the list price of $2199 and the mention of 240Hz, I am thinking that this latest ad is for the Toshiba.

If you google "Fry's newspaper ads", you should be able to pull up images of their current flyers. Sometimes the TVs are shown as being delivery-only, and so you'd have to pay a delivery charge.

FWIW....
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post #53 of 342
6/21/11 at 3:03pm
You guys are the .."bees knees" ( don't know what this means, but according to the laws of physics bees are not suppose to be able to fly so I guess their knees is a high complement.. some how ?reflecting the" Lord's" creative ability/humor :-D..
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post #54 of 342
6/21/11 at 3:07pm
A Winded thank you to the three excellent information Post preceding mine.. sorry dint take my "meds" today
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post #55 of 342
6/24/11 at 8:57am
I also have a toshiba 55tl55. I was wondering what configuration you have used for it, I feel it can have a better/crisper picture. I am just using out of the box and haven't got to play with anything yet. Also, does your netflix sometimes jump to static-like screens during some movies? Thanks
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post #56 of 342
7/5/11 at 3:16pm
Hey, everyone. I wanted to let you all know that US-Appliance.com has the 55TL515U on sale right now for $1,347.00. This is a great deal especially since they have: No tax in most states, free white glove shipping, 30 price guarantee, and free 30 day returns!

I don't know if I had anything to do with the price dropping, but I was trying to request a price match and started an email conversation with a sales guy from US-Appliance. His last email simply stated: "Let's DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!", with no further instructions on how to "do it". I decided to check their website, and wouldn't you know it, the price dropped within minutes of that email to $1,347.00! That is the cheapest I've seen this TV for.

Here is the webpage: http://www.us-appliance.com/55tl515u.html

-Tim
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post #57 of 342
7/7/11 at 1:16pm
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Yesterday, I spent about 90 minutes playing the PS3 version of Crysis2 in 3D.

The resolution of the game looked just as good on this passive set as on my 3D Panasonic Plasma (active shutter glasses) and with a brighter picture(Toshiba).

And while the Panasonic set was the 2010 3D TV of the year the Toshiba has less if no any ghosting.

Really don't think you will be disappointed!

Can someone explain how to get PS3 games work in 3d mode on the Toshiba 55tl515u?

I have recently purchased this tv and I am very happy with everything about it (went up from a 32") TV works great except when I try to play COD Black ops on PS3 or any other 3d capable game. I cannot seem to get the tv into 3d mode while playing games. I see that COD asks for Active shutter glasses and since this tv is passive only, how can I bypass this? Any information would be greatly appreciated as I would love to start gaming in 3d. I dont think its the PS3 because I put in a 3d blu ray disk and the tv automatically switches to 3d mode and has a crystal clear picture.

Can anyone please help me with this issue, I have been on the phone with Sony and Activision trying to solve this issue as well

Thanks for your time!

Kind Regards,

Fellow Toshiba owner.
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post #58 of 342
7/7/11 at 5:42pm
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Can someone explain how to get PS3 games work in 3d mode on the Toshiba 55tl515u?

I have recently purchased this tv and I am very happy with everything about it (went up from a 32") TV works great except when I try to play COD Black ops on PS3 or any other 3d capable game. I cannot seem to get the tv into 3d mode while playing games. I see that COD asks for Active shutter glasses and since this tv is passive only, how can I bypass this? Any information would be greatly appreciated as I would love to start gaming in 3d. I dont think its the PS3 because I put in a 3d blu ray disk and the tv automatically switches to 3d mode and has a crystal clear picture.

Can anyone please help me with this issue, I have been on the phone with Sony and Activision trying to solve this issue as well

Thanks for your time!

Kind Regards,

Fellow Toshiba owner.

I don't have this TV yet, but I can tell you that COD tells you to put on Active Shutter Glasses because that pretty much was the only way 3D could be viewed when Black Ops came out. Just proceed past that screen as if you had Active Shutter Glasses. Think of it saying: "We're about to enter 3D mode, put on your glasses". I think Black Ops uses the side-by-side 3D settings so if the TV does not switch on its own, manually choose that 3D mode. Hope this helps.
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post #59 of 342
7/7/11 at 9:09pm
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I don't have this TV yet, but I can tell you that COD tells you to put on Active Shutter Glasses because that pretty much was the only way 3D could be viewed when Black Ops came out. Just proceed past that screen as if you had Active Shutter Glasses. Think of it saying: "We're about to enter 3D mode, put on your glasses". I think Black Ops uses the side-by-side 3D settings so if the TV does not switch on its own, manually choose that 3D mode. Hope this helps.

Hi Tutum,

I had tried this already. When you go to the setup screen, there is an option for "3d setup" which should be highlighted like the rest of the options but is not. I believe it may have something to do with the signal a linked pair of active glasses gives off. If I bypass this and just switch my tv to side by side 3d or top and bottom 3d I am getting double images. There has to be a way that these games are compatible with "passive" tv sets..I have already called sony and activision to try and solve this issue and have not been able to get anywhere. Activision offered to voice my concerns to the developers (as so they say). I am going to call Toshiba tomorrow to see if they can offer anything.

In the meantime, is there any other advise out there?

@Bontrager- How were you able to play Crysis 2 in 3d mode on the Toshiba "passive" 3d TV?
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post #60 of 342
7/8/11 at 5:41am
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Hi Tutum,

I had tried this already. When you go to the setup screen, there is an option for "3d setup" which should be highlighted like the rest of the options but is not. I believe it may have something to do with the signal a linked pair of active glasses gives off. If I bypass this and just switch my tv to side by side 3d or top and bottom 3d I am getting double images. There has to be a way that these games are compatible with "passive" tv sets..I have already called sony and activision to try and solve this issue and have not been able to get anywhere. Activision offered to voice my concerns to the developers (as so they say). I am going to call Toshiba tomorrow to see if they can offer anything.

In the meantime, is there any other advise out there?

I will be getting this TV in a couple days and have Black Ops on PS3, so I can look and see how to get 3D working and report back.
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