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post #1861 of 3051
11/21/12 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Check your tsMuxer file with MediaInfo and make sure you've got the HD and AC3 sound track. When I ran it the 1st two times, I wasn't getting the AC3 track at all until I remember that decode / demux the HD track first to AC3, then added it and then I was able to get the HD and AC3 track together. The finale M2TS file was 23 GB, which is about the correct size file for movie only with HD and AC3 track. My ISO is 42 GB. If the ISO works without any lag or sound loss, I will keep the ISO.

smile.gif I wish it would do both audio tracks without the extra step but what can ya do. He was having issues with TMT5, the files worked fine in MPC-HC.

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post #1862 of 3051
11/21/12 at 9:02am
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I guess this is becoming more and more common to drop off the hd audio from rentals...

mad.gif Red is going to be one of the ones I buy at some point to get the HD audio and probably this when it becomes cheaper.

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post #1863 of 3051
11/21/12 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I guess this is becoming more and more common to drop off the hd audio from rentals...

If you rent the movie from Blockbuster, you will get the HD audio track. If you rent from Redbox you won't.
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post #1864 of 3051
11/21/12 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

If you rent the movie from Blockbuster, you will get the HD audio track. If you rent from Redbox you won't.

Is that confirmed? I have gotten rentals from Netflix that had HD audio and some that did not
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post #1865 of 3051
11/21/12 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Is that confirmed? I have gotten rentals from Netflix that had HD audio and some that did not

At least that's what I've noticed with several movies. I will get The Expandable 2 from Blockbuster since I get them at no extra charge and see if it has the HD track wink.gif
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post #1866 of 3051
11/21/12 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by blackssr View Post

The Expendables 2 RedBox Playlist
00684.mpls, 1:42:42
[513+512+503+501+518+516+510+504+502+511+509+505+506+514+507+515].m2ts
- Chapters, 16 chapters
- h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- AC3, English, multi-channel, 48kHz
- AC3, Spanish, multi-channel, 48kHz
No HD audio.

Netflix copy is the same.

I wonder if the use of AC3 audio might eliminate the issues with audio dropouts like those seen with "Brave". This branching navigation really sucks.
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post #1867 of 3051
11/21/12 at 10:41am
I just finished watching BRAVE again for the 8th time LOL. I watch the ISO not issues with it. However, for some reason or another AnyDVD HD kept the previews mad.gif. The M2TS file created by tsMuxer had a few sound issues after the movie was finished. Right when the credits are showing. It lost sound, like if it was changing chapters or something like it.

After all the work I've done with this movie, I am just going to keep the MKV file.


Update: My AnyDVD HD settings were changed after I updated it. I am redoing the ISO. If it removes the previews, I will keep the ISO instead.
Edited by GusGus748s - 11/21/12 at 10:48am
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post #1868 of 3051
11/21/12 at 10:50am
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I guess this is becoming more and more common to drop off the hd audio from rentals...
I've seen it on a couple retail versions of titles; I noticed while browsing disks at BestBuy. You don't get HD audio if you buy the single BD disk version and only get HD audio if you buy the BD/DVD combo "delux" version.

Sometimes I truly believe the industry is just begging to be abused.
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post #1869 of 3051
11/21/12 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I've seen it on a couple retail versions of titles; I noticed while browsing disks at BestBuy. You don't get HD audio if you buy the single BD disk version and only get HD audio if you buy the BD/DVD combo "delux" version.
Sometimes I truly believe the industry is just begging to be abused.

Interesting, I haven't seen that yet. Gotta love playing games with the actual consumer in a case like that
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post #1870 of 3051
11/21/12 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Check your tsMuxer file with MediaInfo and make sure you've got the HD and AC3 sound track. When I ran it the 1st two times, I wasn't getting the AC3 track at all until I remember that decode / demux the HD track first to AC3, then added it and then I was able to get the HD and AC3 track together. The finale M2TS file was 23 GB, which is about the correct size file for movie only with HD and AC3 track. My ISO is 42 GB. If the ISO works without any lag or sound loss, I will keep the ISO.

I just ran Brave through the tsMuxeR GUI and output to Blu-ray. I then used ImgBRN to package it to an ISO. MediaInfo shows the following:



The resulting ISO plays fine using TMT5. I didn't watch it all the way through so I don't know if there are any audio drops, although I did check near the end of the movie and at the credits. No problems there. The ISO is a little under 23 GB. If the full BD ISO is 42GB, I'm pretty happy with the space savings. I look forward to hearing if you can get AnyDVD to drop the previews, although I expect the size will still be quite large.
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post #1871 of 3051
11/21/12 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I've seen it on a couple retail versions of titles; I noticed while browsing disks at BestBuy. You don't get HD audio if you buy the single BD disk version and only get HD audio if you buy the BD/DVD combo "delux" version.
Sometimes I truly believe the industry is just begging to be abused.

There has been a lot of discussion on other forums about the missing HD Audio tracks on some rentals from both RedBox and Netflix, especially with Lionsgate movies. There seems to be cheaper versions being sold (to Rental companies) that simply do not contain the HD audio. Whether this was for cost savings or for some other reason (reduction of piracy from rental stores, an effort to make people buy instead of rent BDs, etc., etc.) has been the subject of rampant speculation.

It isn't on all movies coming out of RedBox, however. So it remains to be seen if there is a difference between a Redbox and a Blockbuster rental.


I do agree that all the shenanigans pulled by the studios aren't making them any friends.
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post #1872 of 3051
11/21/12 at 1:30pm
Anyone wanna start a website that keeps track of whats the difference between rentail vs retail?
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post #1873 of 3051
11/21/12 at 1:46pm
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Originally Posted by agogley View Post

I just ran Brave through the tsMuxeR GUI and output to Blu-ray. I then used ImgBRN to package it to an ISO. MediaInfo shows the following:

The resulting ISO plays fine using TMT5. I didn't watch it all the way through so I don't know if there are any audio drops, although I did check near the end of the movie and at the credits. No problems there. The ISO is a little under 23 GB. If the full BD ISO is 42GB, I'm pretty happy with the space savings. I look forward to hearing if you can get AnyDVD to drop the previews, although I expect the size will still be quite large.

I'm not concern about space, but I am concerned about quality.
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post #1874 of 3051
11/21/12 at 2:16pm
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Interesting, I haven't seen that yet. Gotta love playing games with the actual consumer in a case like that
Next time I'm browsing the disks in BB and I run across another example I'll make sure to make a note of the title.
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post #1875 of 3051
11/21/12 at 4:53pm
Just got my Expendables 2 Blu Ray. Per BDRebuilder the main movie appears to be playlist 00609.mpls
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post #1876 of 3051
11/22/12 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Netflix copy is the same.
I wonder if the use of AC3 audio might eliminate the issues with audio dropouts like those seen with "Brave". This branching navigation really sucks.
Interesting since the Netflix copy has 17 chapters for the movie and a different playlist but still no HD audio.
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post #1877 of 3051
11/24/12 at 7:13pm
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Originally Posted by watchy View Post

Anyone wanna start a website that keeps track of whats the difference between rentail vs retail?

I don't think an entire website is needed. Such things usually merit their own thread here. However, I'd wait until we had more data before starting it.
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

I'm not concern about space, but I am concerned about quality.

That is a worthy concern, but in this case, there isn't anybody who seems to know if there is a difference in quality between the two.
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post #1878 of 3051
11/24/12 at 7:28pm
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I just rented Expendables 2 from RedBox and ran it through the eac3to portion of Clown_BD (steps 1&2) just to take a look at the information for the pertinent discussion in this thread. (I just happened to rent it to watch tonight...I didn't rent it specifically for this thread but when I saw the movie mentioned, I decided just to see if HD Audio was included.)

There are five playlists: 00118, 00005, 00026, 00684, and 00050. I ran each playlist through step 2 and none of them had HD Audio listed (only AC3 5.1). I didn't take it any further than step 2. I do plan on looking at what my receiver says while I'm playing the BD since I leave the audio decoding up to the receiver. Now I'm worried that I will convince myself that I can hear substandard audio...LOL.
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post #1879 of 3051
11/24/12 at 8:14pm
My local blockbuster is out of BD Expendables 2. I want to see if blockbuster rentals have the HD sound track.
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post #1880 of 3051
11/25/12 at 6:51am
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

My local blockbuster is out of BD Expendables 2. I want to see if blockbuster rentals have the HD sound track.

It doesn't, rented it this weekend. I haven't seen this with the other movies mentioned in this thread from Blockbuster. I'm guessing this is just the beginning, at least until they finally go out of business anyway. I wonder if this is an anti-piracy scheme or a cost cutting scheme...I'm betting on the latter.
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post #1881 of 3051
11/25/12 at 6:59am
It's the latter for sure. I've seen more and more titles being produced in two flavors: full BD title and "rental" versions. You'll actually see the word "rental" printed on the disc by the mfg from some of them (Paramount for example) and none of the rentals will have any extras (alternate endings, etc) and 'some' will not have the HD audio. It's a way to make people buy the retail version if they want all the 'goodies'. While I'm not a fan of it, I understand why they're doing it.
With BB going 'down' and Netflix not filling the needs of 3D content I can foresee small mom-and-pop rental stores popping up again in the future. Just like the old days w/VHS tapes.
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post #1882 of 3051
11/25/12 at 7:34am
I wonder how long it will take for a site to pop up where you can download the HD audio track so you can remux...I'm betting not long on that either. smile.gif. Personally I doubt I would have noticed a difference, the audio sounded great to me as it was...the movie on the other hand a little to macho-cheesy for my taste.
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post #1883 of 3051
11/25/12 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by djc11369 View Post

I wonder how long it will take for a site to pop up where you can download the HD audio track so you can remux...I'm betting not long on that either. smile.gif. Personally I doubt I would have noticed a difference, the audio sounded great to me as it was...the movie on the other hand a little to macho-cheesy for my taste.

When ClownBD finishes ripping my movies, it leaves behind the HD, AC3 sound track including the subtitles.
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post #1884 of 3051
11/25/12 at 1:07pm
I was referring to people who rip rental movies that don't have hd audio. They could download the HD audio track and remux to include it. For movies that I find I would watch again I buy personally so it's not an issue for me. Hollywood doesn't make that many movies worth owning that I can't spring for it.
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post #1885 of 3051
11/25/12 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by agogley View Post

There has been a lot of discussion on other forums about the missing HD Audio tracks on some rentals from both RedBox and Netflix, especially with Lionsgate movies. There seems to be cheaper versions being sold (to Rental companies) that simply do not contain the HD audio. Whether this was for cost savings or for some other reason (reduction of piracy from rental stores, an effort to make people buy instead of rent BDs, etc., etc.) has been the subject of rampant speculation.
It isn't on all movies coming out of RedBox, however. So it remains to be seen if there is a difference between a Redbox and a Blockbuster rental.
I do agree that all the shenanigans pulled by the studios aren't making them any friends.

What shenanigans? Most people don't care, or can't tell the difference, about HD audio and in any case the studios have every right to protect their intellectual property. Quite a few players on the iPad have recently dropped support for playing back higher end audio. I assume that is because of licensing issues.

philip
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post #1886 of 3051
11/25/12 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by pmcd View Post

What shenanigans? Most people don't care, or can't tell the difference, about HD audio and in any case the studios have every right to protect their intellectual property. Quite a few players on the iPad have recently dropped support for playing back higher end audio. I assume that is because of licensing issues.
philip

Huh? As a consumer, you are paying to rent a movie, only to have the studios water the product down (in an effort to force you to purchase the product, etc...). Some members have noted this is happening for movies that you buy if you only buy the basic disc. This has nothing to do with the iPad, what most people listen to, etc... it has to do with the studios
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post #1887 of 3051
11/25/12 at 6:52pm
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Huh? As a consumer, you are paying to rent a movie, only to have the studios water the product down (in an effort to force you to purchase the product, etc...). Some members have noted this is happening for movies that you buy if you only buy the basic disc. This has nothing to do with the iPad, what most people listen to, etc... it has to do with the studios

+1. It's all about money nowadays.
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post #1888 of 3051
11/26/12 at 3:25am
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Huh? As a consumer, you are paying to rent a movie, only to have the studios water the product down (in an effort to force you to purchase the product, etc...). Some members have noted this is happening for movies that you buy if you only buy the basic disc. This has nothing to do with the iPad, what most people listen to, etc... it has to do with the studios

I mentioned the iPad because it's clear the owners are becoming stricter regarding the conditions under which certain types of audio can be player. The rental business has to do with preventing piracy and is related to the whole issue of whether or not backing up a disk for playback on another medium is in fact legal. It appears to vary with the country and it certainly seems to not be legal in the US since you have to circumvent the copy protection in order to back it up and that part is illegal.

Now, it would certainly be unacceptable for studios to mislabel the product. If that is what they are doing then there must be some law against it.

philip
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post #1889 of 3051
11/26/12 at 3:29am
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

+1. It's all about money nowadays.

How would you like to have people steal your work? That is what this whole issue is about. It is becoming easier to copy digital work, whether it be books, music, video, ... and the whole world is doing it. The whole media player world, with some exceptions, is based on it.

philip
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post #1890 of 3051
11/26/12 at 5:33am
The studios need to CLEARLY LABEL that the rental version is a DERIVATIVE WORK and is NOT the same as the version that you can purchase. To me, it is a breach of contract that you rent a movie thinking that it is the same movie that you can purchase, when, in fact, it is different. You might as well have a different ending to the movie or be missing key scenes.
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