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Originally Posted by djc11369 View Post

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I didn't experience any drops but two spots where there was a momentary freeze, one spot at almost exactly one hour in an another about 1:26 in. Switching to AC3 eliminates them so obviously tied to the HD audio track. I normally can't tell the difference between lossless and lossy but this movie is an exception.

I switched from DD True HD to DD 5.1, and I didn't noticed much difference between them. The HD track had more background detail. I am currently transferring the ISO to my server. I will be testing all file in 30 min. and report back. I am going to give the "Fast SMB" option from Dune and see if that makes a difference.
post #2012 of 5693
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

So, I ripped Total Recall yesterday with ClownBD as BD Folder structure with HD and AC3 audio track as I always do. I started watching today before going to work, and I notice tiny audio drops through out the movie about 10 min. apart. I switch to AC3 audio track, and the audio drops went away. Anyone else noticed this? I re-ripped the movie with ClownBD again, and I am also doing a FULL BD folder structure with AnyDVD HD, and I will be also doing a MKV file with HD and AC3 sound track to see if I notice the same issues.

This movie is giving fits to most players, and it won't matter what you do with it, (you'll still have dropouts). Been there, done that. The only solution will probably be to do the decoding in the player and sent LPCM to your system, or use the lossy alternate audio.

If you bought the movie on BD, you should return it as defective, because it is. Something about the TrueHD encoding. See also "Brave" and "Finding Nemo" which have similar issues but not as bad.
post #2013 of 5693
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

This movie is giving fits to most players, and it won't matter what you do with it, (you'll still have dropouts). Been there, done that. The only solution will probably be to do the decoding in the player and sent LPCM to your system, or use the lossy alternate audio.
If you bought the movie on BD, you should return it as defective, because it is. Something about the TrueHD encoding. See also "Brave" and "Finding Nemo" which have similar issues but not as bad.

I am agreeing with you on this. I just finished testing the movie in BD Folder structure (ripped with clownBD), MKV and ISO files, and they all have the same audio drops exactly at the same time. I am going to have to re-rip the file, and only use the AC3 track so I don't have to keep switching.
post #2014 of 5693
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

This movie is giving fits to most players, and it won't matter what you do with it, (you'll still have dropouts). Been there, done that. The only solution will probably be to do the decoding in the player and sent LPCM to your system, or use the lossy alternate audio.
If you bought the movie on BD, you should return it as defective, because it is. Something about the TrueHD encoding. See also "Brave" and "Finding Nemo" which have similar issues but not as bad.

Running it from an SSD directly connected to my media player eliminated most audio drops for me. Playing it over the network produced alot more of split second audio dropouts.
post #2015 of 5693
Yeah, I don't use any type of hard drive in my media players at all. So, I'll just have to resort to switching to AC3 track.
post #2016 of 5693
Guys...save me scanning through 68 pages of posts? After ripping many, many TV-on-DVD episodes...I'm about to take my first stab at TV-on-BD. Rather than make an ISO of the entire disc, I'd like to stick with a file-per-episode format. I have ToNMT and BD_Clown...and would like to not have to download/learn anything new.

Little help? TIA
post #2017 of 5693
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Guys...save me scanning through 68 pages of posts? After ripping many, many TV-on-DVD episodes...I'm about to take my first stab at TV-on-BD. Rather than make an ISO of the entire disc, I'd like to stick with a file-per-episode format. I have ToNMT and BD_Clown...and would like to not have to download/learn anything new.
Little help? TIA
Start with this post (#1986)
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1336046/ripping-blu-rays-ii/1900_100#post_22713110
and read forward to catch up on the discussion of the past week on BD TV episodes.

Then you will be in a better position to ask specific questions on items of concern to you that were not discussed.
post #2018 of 5693
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Guys...save me scanning through 68 pages of posts? After ripping many, many TV-on-DVD episodes...I'm about to take my first stab at TV-on-BD. Rather than make an ISO of the entire disc, I'd like to stick with a file-per-episode format. I have ToNMT and BD_Clown...and would like to not have to download/learn anything new.
Little help? TIA

This still applies ...

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010/07/16/mkvmania-converting-tv-box-sets-to-mkv-episodes/
post #2019 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Start with this post (#1986)
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1336046/ripping-blu-rays-ii/1900_100#post_22713110
and read forward to catch up on the discussion of the past week on BD TV episodes.
Then you will be in a better position to ask specific questions on items of concern to you that were not discussed.

Ah; turns out it wasn't that far back, huh. wink.gif

So...sounds like a conundrum. eek.gif I don't care about subtitles (much; I mean, it would be nice); format is more important. I'm either .m2ts or ISO, for movies; sounds like my only option for individual episodes...is mkv? Hmm, wonder is BD TV is really worth it.
Edited by CDLehner - 12/24/12 at 6:46am
post #2020 of 5693
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Ah; turns out it wasn't that far back, huh. wink.gif
So...sounds like a conundrum. eek.gif I don't care about subtitles (much; I mean, it would be nice); format is more important. I'm either .m2ts or ISO, for movies; sounds like my only option for individual episodes...is mkv? Hmm, wonder is BD TV is really worth it.

All my TV shows are DVD ISO's. With the exception of the first 4 seasons of True Blood. I did those individual MKV's. I am thinking of selling my PCH-A210 and getting another Dune to replace it so I can continue to rip my DVD TV Show in ISO and only use one jukebox. If YAMJ were to support the same file naming as the Zappiti or vise versa it would be great, but that won't happen.
post #2021 of 5693
I will always be a fan of individual episodes ripped to mkv (DVD or BluRay, doesn't matter)
post #2022 of 5693
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I will always be a fan of individual episodes ripped to mkv (DVD or BluRay, doesn't matter)

Yeah; I think I'm just going back to SD. redface.gif
post #2023 of 5693
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I will always be a fan of individual episodes ripped to mkv (DVD or BluRay, doesn't matter)

It's too later for me to go to single file since I've got complete seasons already in ISO format, which is much easier to do and name. Once I get my 2nd Dune player I won't have any issues with the jukebox when using ISO files.
post #2024 of 5693
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

So...sounds like a conundrum. eek.gif I don't care about subtitles (much; I mean, it would be nice); format is more important. I'm either .m2ts or ISO, for movies; sounds like my only option for individual episodes...is mkv? Hmm, wonder is BD TV is really worth it.
There is nothing wrong with leaving BD TV episodes as native .m2ts. The only thing MKV buys you is chapter support.
Regardless of format, the biggest time sink with ripping BD TV episodes is matching up the file with the episode number/title. This has to be done manually by playing them and comparing them to what is on the original disk.
post #2025 of 5693
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Yeah; I think I'm just going back to SD. redface.gif

Why, HD wasn't much more involved then SD (and if you use a program like MakeMKV it is the same exact process_
post #2026 of 5693
Ok just got a BD drive and I've downloaded Makemkv. Do I need Anydvdhd to strip the protection or does makemkv do that? To save disc space which program would be better to use. Sorry for the newb questions
post #2027 of 5693
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Originally Posted by johnnyknoxsvill View Post

Ok just got a BD drive and I've downloaded Makemkv. Do I need Anydvdhd to strip the protection or does makemkv do that? To save disc space which program would be better to use. Sorry for the newb questions

No, makemkv decrypts
post #2028 of 5693
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Why, HD wasn't much more involved then SD (and if you use a program like MakeMKV it is the same exact process_

I actually still use DVDShrink for SD biggrin.gif and it couldn't be easier.
post #2029 of 5693
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I will always be a fan of individual episodes ripped to mkv (DVD or BluRay, doesn't matter)

Me too. I use TV Rename and it's great to be able to see each show with a description before playing.
post #2030 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

So...sounds like a conundrum. eek.gif I don't care about subtitles (much; I mean, it would be nice); format is more important. I'm either .m2ts or ISO, for movies; sounds like my only option for individual episodes...is mkv? Hmm, wonder is BD TV is really worth it.
There is nothing wrong with leaving BD TV episodes as native .m2ts. The only thing MKV buys you is chapter support.
Regardless of format, the biggest time sink with ripping BD TV episodes is matching up the file with the episode number/title. This has to be done manually by playing them and comparing them to what is on the original disk.

They are usually in order.
post #2031 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

I am deciding with the cinavia threat to move away from full bluray copies.
Movies are easy and generally none hassle, but i am wondering if people in the community ever buy bluray tv shows. I find very little information on this and i have no idea if people are spending copious amounts of time i assume this would require to do bluray tv shows. Movies are easy. Doing a 13-26 episode per season tv show is going to take time. Right now I am likely looking at hundreds of episodes. Specifically finding a needle in a haystack which is forced subtitles. Odd episodes need forced subtitles. I have no idea which episodes would need them, all I know is even english tv shows on bluray often have occasional episodes with some foreign dialogue and forced subtitles.
My plan is to use xbmc.
I have a bunch of bluray tv folder rips, i am starting here. It also makes little sense in xbmc to click on a tv episode and then launch a disc with an entirely separate menu so I am remuxing each episode to mkv.
My issue and fear is forced subtitles. Originally I hoped to take the mt2s files per episode and could just use those. That however leaves me without chapters, and no forced subtitle detection.
I found another eac3to gui and it looked like the holy grail for what i wanted, but for some reason this apparently is 2 year old software no longer works. From what i can tell when it did work, it automatically muxed forced subtitles and chapters into a nice mkv with one touch and could do large batches. Blurip does this and its great, but I cant do or add multiple streams (tv episodes) per disc to the queue, and i dont want to sound lazy, but if i buy a bluray tv series, I dont want to be spending my entire weekend muxing 80 some episodes. . If blurip could do batch jobs, or the Queue option would actually do multiple streams (tv episode) per disc, I would be happy, since instead of doing 80 some episodes individually, i would instead only have to do 12 discs for example, but as of now, it only seems to allow you to do one stream (tv episode) at a time per disc and many bluray tv shows can have 3-7 episodes per disc. I just dont have that much free time on my hands to be doing this whenever I add a new tv show.
So I am hoping the users on here can recommend the least time consuming option, Clownbd looks closest but I am assuming I would have to do each single remux one by one still even if i do a batch demux it wont do it all like eac3to gui?
I am a bit overwhelmed I was looking at season 5 of the office for instance on bluray with 24 episodes alone in that season. To find forced subtitles, and then mux these seems to be a daunting task. Blurip would be the answer if it could do multiple steams per disc with one click, like makemkv but it cant, yet makemkv has no forced subtitle solution....I just wonder if anyone has experience with tv bluray shows and what would be the easiest quickest solution?
And yes i read all dbones guides, another eac3to gui was exactly what I wanted, but that option is gone.

If you have them as separate m2ts files it only takes about 5 minutes of wait time to check for forced subs. When encoding takes hours to do, 5 minutes is nothing imo smile.gif
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I'm having an issue ripping Ocean's Thirteen. I always use Clown_BD to rip to BDMV folder, movie only. I'm having two issues.

1) When ClownBD is done, the resulting movie in the BDMV STREAM directory is 13 hours long. At least that's what MediaInfo says. I played the movie in MPC-HC. It played fine, but it too reports the movie being 13 hours long?

2) The "Movies with Forced Subs" thread says that this movie has forced subs. I haven't watched from the disc itself to confirm, but ClownBD doesn't find any forced subs. There are 3 english tracks. Two are really large and one is 1KB. When I try to open the small file with BDSup2Sub, it fails to read it.

Any ideas guys?
post #2033 of 5693
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Originally Posted by ejhuzy View Post

I'm having an issue ripping Ocean's Thirteen. I always use Clown_BD to rip to BDMV folder, movie only. I'm having two issues.
2) The "Movies with Forced Subs" thread says that this movie has forced subs. I haven't watched from the disc itself to confirm, but ClownBD doesn't find any forced subs. There are 3 english tracks. Two are really large and one is 1KB. When I try to open the small file with BDSup2Sub, it fails to read it.
Any ideas guys?
I run Clown_BD but only run the demux stage -- clear the TSMUXER checkbox. When the stream dialog box comes up I de-select the audio/video streams and only select all the English subtitle tracks. When Clown_BD has finished, the demux directory contains all the English subtitle streams -- runs pretty quick since I'm pulling out only the subtitles. If any of those subtitle tracks contains forced subtitles, Clown-BD has created a separate track that contains only those forced subtitles. That tells me what subtitle track I want when I go back and do the full process for real. Clown will create the forced subtitle stream and mux it in first in the subtitle list.

I have found that if Clown_BD doesn't create a forced sub file, then the title doesn't have forced subs. I use SupRip to display the subtitle streams. It has an option to display only forced subs.
post #2034 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I run Clown_BD but only run the demux stage -- clear the TSMUXER checkbox. When the stream dialog box comes up I de-select the audio/video streams and only select all the English subtitle tracks. When Clown_BD has finished, the demux directory contains all the English subtitle streams -- runs pretty quick since I'm pulling out only the subtitles. If any of those subtitle tracks contains forced subtitles, Clown-BD has created a separate track that contains only those forced subtitles. That tells me what subtitle track I want when I go back and do the full process for real. Clown will create the forced subtitle stream and mux it in first in the subtitle list.
I have found that if Clown_BD doesn't create a forced sub file, then the title doesn't have forced subs. I use SupRip to display the subtitle streams. It has an option to display only forced subs.

Kelson,

Thanks for the tip. I followed your instructions and got 3 subtitle tracks as expected. What's interesting is that track 14 wasn't written until the very end. After demuxing. Here's a snippet of the eac3to_PASS3_LOG:
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[s07] Extracting subtitle track number 7...
[s08] Extracting subtitle track number 8...
[s14] Extracting subtitle track number 14...
[s08] Creating file "F:\Ripspace\Subtitles_8_English.sup"...
[s07] Creating file "F:\Ripspace\Subtitles_7_English.sup"...
[s14] Creating file "F:\Ripspace\Subtitles_14_English.sup"...
Video track 2 contains 175725 frames.
Subtitle track 7 contains 1339 captions.
Subtitle track 8 contains 1488 captions.
eac3to processing took 14 minutes, 44 seconds.
Done.

Notice how it doesn't report any captions in track 14.

I don't know what's up with this movie.
post #2035 of 5693
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Originally Posted by ejhuzy View Post

Kelson,
Thanks for the tip. I followed your instructions and got 3 subtitle tracks as expected. What's interesting is that track 14 wasn't written until the very end. After demuxing. Here's a snippet of the eac3to_PASS3_LOG:
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[s07] Extracting subtitle track number 7...
[s08] Extracting subtitle track number 8...
[s14] Extracting subtitle track number 14...
[s08] Creating file "F:\Ripspace\Subtitles_8_English.sup"...
[s07] Creating file "F:\Ripspace\Subtitles_7_English.sup"...
[s14] Creating file "F:\Ripspace\Subtitles_14_English.sup"...
Video track 2 contains 175725 frames.
Subtitle track 7 contains 1339 captions.
Subtitle track 8 contains 1488 captions.
eac3to processing took 14 minutes, 44 seconds.
Done.
Notice how it doesn't report any captions in track 14.
I don't know what's up with this movie.
That's not unusual for BD. I have done movies where there are 5 or more english subtitle tracks. I use SupRip to inspect each stream to see which is the right one to use. Here is an example: 5 english subtitle tracks
2 tracks contain directors comments
1 track for hard of hearing and includes [sound effect] text.
1 track with normal subtitles -- the one I want when I do the full rip
1 track that does not appear to have any subtitles and crashes SupRip -- analogous to your track #14

With some titles I have found the forced subs to already be in their own separate stream file. Those are a pain because Clown_BD will still generate a separate forced_sub file which is just a duplicate. When that gets remuxed, the final .m2ts file will have 2 forced subtitle streams -- there is no way to tell Clown_BD to not create a forced subtitle track. I then have to re-run TSMUXER on it to get rid of one of the forced subtitle tracks.
post #2036 of 5693
Ever since DVDFab added the ability to rip out the MOVIE ONLY of a 3D Bluray, with the full frame packed video untouched, I've been going back and re-ripping my 3D Blurays to movie only ISO's. It's been working great for the Blurays that it's actually worked on, but a few of them (I'd say close to half) won't play in 3D after I rip them. It's as if whatever tag or other file the file needs to play as 3D isn't there. Not sure if it's something with my player (Mede8er MED600X3D) or what, but a good bit of them play fine.

Two of the movies I tried that I know have this problem are Hugo and A Christmas Carol.

Anyone ever experience this?
post #2037 of 5693
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Originally Posted by ScoHo View Post

Ever since DVDFab added the ability to rip out the MOVIE ONLY of a 3D Bluray, with the full frame packed video untouched, I've been going back and re-ripping my 3D Blurays to movie only ISO's. It's been working great for the Blurays that it's actually worked on, but a few of them (I'd say close to half) won't play in 3D after I rip them. It's as if whatever tag or other file the file needs to play as 3D isn't there. Not sure if it's something with my player (Mede8er MED600X3D) or what, but a good bit of them play fine.
Two of the movies I tried that I know have this problem are Hugo and A Christmas Carol.
Anyone ever experience this?

Yes. I only tried Hugo and John Carter though. Fab failed with both of them, or to be more precise, my LG BD670 refused to play the backups. I tried movie-only and full disc re-encodes. With full disc, my standalone would actually display the top menu, but that's it.

Mind you, I haven't tried an ISO full disc rip and burn to a double-layer BDR. Blanks are too pricey and it's not like I *need* backups of my 3D Blu-Rays, as I only have one 3D TV anyway. From what I've read, that method is reasonably reliable.

I put it down to Fab not being ready for prime time with 3D Blu-Rays.
post #2038 of 5693
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Originally Posted by ScoHo View Post

Ever since DVDFab added the ability to rip out the MOVIE ONLY of a 3D Bluray, with the full frame packed video untouched, I've been going back and re-ripping my 3D Blurays to movie only ISO's. It's been working great for the Blurays that it's actually worked on, but a few of them (I'd say close to half) won't play in 3D after I rip them. It's as if whatever tag or other file the file needs to play as 3D isn't there. Not sure if it's something with my player (Mede8er MED600X3D) or what, but a good bit of them play fine.
Two of the movies I tried that I know have this problem are Hugo and A Christmas Carol.
Anyone ever experience this?

I wonder if those are seamless branch (although I guess it shouldn't matter since DVDFab doesn't t ouch the branch). Did you try making a 3D mvc mkv with MakeMKV to see if you get the same problem?
post #2039 of 5693
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I wonder if those are seamless branch (although I guess it shouldn't matter since DVDFab doesn't t ouch the branch). Did you try making a 3D mvc mkv with MakeMKV to see if you get the same problem?

I did try one of them (A Christmas Carol) with MakeMKV with the same result, so I don't think it's only DVD Fab. Must be something about the way some of these 3D discs are authored. My full, untouched rips that I did originally using AnyDVD work fine.
post #2040 of 5693
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Originally Posted by ScoHo View Post

I did try one of them (A Christmas Carol) with MakeMKV with the same result, so I don't think it's only DVD Fab. Must be something about the way some of these 3D discs are authored. My full, untouched rips that I did originally using AnyDVD work fine.
How are you ripping this (ripping just the movie only in 3D ISO)? I don't see any ISO file rip function from Blu-Ray 3D ripper in DVDFab!?
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