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So, right now, I de-crypt with DVD-Fab and then grab 1080p main move and 5.1 AC3/DTS core with MakeMKV. Works fine (and pretty fast) but I end up with 25-35gb rips. Space is becoming a problem, and after all, I still have the real Blu-Ray sitting on the shelf ready to be inserted into the real Blu-Ray player.

 

So, going straight from the actual disc ... what would be the prefered way to get just 720p (at a decent bit-rate) and 5.1 sound? Maybe a file-size around 5gb.

post #2192 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 View Post

So, right now, I de-crypt with DVD-Fab and then grab 1080p main move and 5.1 AC3/DTS core with MakeMKV. Works fine (and pretty fast) but I end up with 25-35gb rips. Space is becoming a problem, and after all, I still have the real Blu-Ray sitting on the shelf ready to be inserted into the real Blu-Ray player.

So, going straight from the actual disc ... what would be the prefered way to get just 720p (at a decent bit-rate) and 5.1 sound? Maybe a file-size around 5gb.

Have a look at HandBrake. Using the constant quality defaults the savings are variable; I've seen "nothing" and 10:1 and everything between. 3:1 and 4:1 savings are typical.

Note that many people hate it when you recompress Blu-ray, but it's up to you and your specific need. I find the results quite good.

-Bill
post #2193 of 5693
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Originally Posted by DiabloZoe View Post

I guess it would depend on your setup! I have a Sony 929 and everything is connected to a pioneer sc37. All my 3D movies are SBS and look amazing! This setup is active shutter! I don't even own a 3D BD player!

That sounds promising. Are you using DVDFab? Also, what does DVDFab do? Does it just convert to MKV SBS or does it also compress it? Ideally I wouldn't want to alter the bit rate.
post #2194 of 5693
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Hopefully someone else can chime in, I have never done a side by side comparison of a 3B Blu Ray to a sbs mkv equivalent to say how close it comes to the original

Thanks dbone.
post #2195 of 5693
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Originally Posted by EVT View Post

That sounds promising. Are you using DVDFab? Also, what does DVDFab do? Does it just convert to MKV SBS or does it also compress it? Ideally I wouldn't want to alter the bit rate.

If you're converting to SBS it necessarily has to scale the image to half-resolution, which requires decoding and recoding. I would assume it has some kind of control for the compression rate.
post #2196 of 5693
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Originally Posted by EVT View Post

That sounds promising. Are you using DVDFab? Also, what does DVDFab do? Does it just convert to MKV SBS or does it also compress it? Ideally I wouldn't want to alter the bit rate.

I have been using Fab for years!! I have not made a SBS MKV for a while so I can't remember the settings offhand. I will be converting the new Dredd over to SBS in a week or so, I will let you know the specifics then!
post #2197 of 5693
This may be a silly question and I apologize if it is - but I was curious if you need to rip blu-ray movies to a solid state drive to get artifact free rips. The reason I ask is that I was looking to buy a Media PC and one of the companies I spoke to represented that you need to rip to a solid state drive to get good rips. This doesn't make sense to me as I would assume that the blu-ray drive is the bottleneck for speed, not a standard hard drive.

Thanks
post #2198 of 5693
No, that's nonsense.

-Bill
post #2199 of 5693
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Originally Posted by akopperl View Post

 - but I was curious if you need to rip blu-ray movies to a solid state drive to get artifact free rips. The reason I ask is that I was looking to buy a Media PC and one of the companies I spoke to represented that you need to rip to a solid state drive to get good rips.
 

No. A computer file is a computer file. It's doesn't matter where it's written to .

post #2200 of 5693
So I realized from the Oppo 103 thread that my Oppo can playback Full HD 3D blu-ray's over SMB. I used AnyDVD to rip to a BDMV folder - however a very strange thing happened, I'm getting ridiculously large file sizes - 80 - 90GB. Does anyone know why this is happening?
post #2201 of 5693
Thanks - didn't seem right.
post #2202 of 5693
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Originally Posted by akopperl View Post

The reason I ask is that I was looking to buy a Media PC and one of the companies I spoke to represented that you need to rip to a solid state drive to get good rips.

Please tell us who this was, so we can avoid them.
post #2203 of 5693
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Originally Posted by EVT View Post

So I realized from the Oppo 103 thread that my Oppo can playback Full HD 3D blu-ray's over SMB. I used AnyDVD to rip to a BDMV folder - however a very strange thing happened, I'm getting ridiculously large file sizes - 80 - 90GB. Does anyone know why this is happening?

Something with ANyDVD shows the filesize twice the normal (it is recommended to rip Blu-ray 3Ds to ISO with AnyDVD)
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Something with ANyDVD shows the filesize twice the normal (it is recommended to rip Blu-ray 3Ds to ISO with AnyDVD)

I did get the warning from AnyDVD but my Oppo doesn't really support ISO - it does support BDMV though. Perhaps I'll give DVDFab a try. Having said that, I do realize that unlike my Dune the Oppo has Cinavia so I'm sure I won't be able to playback all my 3D titles.
post #2205 of 5693
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Originally Posted by EVT View Post

I do realize that unlike my Dune the Oppo has Cinavia so I'm sure I won't be able to playback all my 3D titles.
Here is a list of Cinavia titles.
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Here is a list of Cinavia titles.

Thanks, that's a very helpful link. It looks like only three of my 3D blu-ray's are affected (all Sony) so my Oppo should be able to playback the clear majority of my current 3D blu-ray titles. I'm still thinking of giving DVDFab SBS a try to see what it will look like - if the degradation isn't very noticeable I may go that route as I've become spoiled using the very nice inteface of the MyMovies app on my iPad which initiates playback on my Dune. Going from that to the rudimentary menus on the Oppo isn't that appealing.
post #2207 of 5693
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Originally Posted by EVT View Post

Thanks, that's a very helpful link. It looks like only three of my 3D blu-ray's are affected (all Sony) so my Oppo should be able to playback the clear majority of my current 3D blu-ray titles. I'm still thinking of giving DVDFab SBS a try to see what it will look like - if the degradation isn't very noticeable I may go that route as I've become spoiled using the very nice inteface of the MyMovies app on my iPad which initiates playback on my Dune. Going from that to the rudimentary menus on the Oppo isn't that appealing.

Mm - Paranorman should be on that list - I know for sure since playback stopped on my PS3!
post #2208 of 5693
Greetings fellow rippers, I am currently ripping most of my bluray library onto a standalone usb hd.
My workflow goes like this:
1. Decrypt the bluray and rip with MakeMKV into a MKV file.
2. Re-encode and compress the mkv with Handbrake which takes approximately 3-5 hours depending on the movie. Handbrake settings are same for all bluray movies (high profile).

A normal 2-hour bluray movie ends up as a 5-10 gb mkv onto my hd. However, I've run into somewhat of a conumdrum with one movie specifically Saving Private Ryan. SPR is just a 2hr 50min film with DTS-HD MA audio and MPG4/AVC video encode. Handbrake took about 7 hours to re-encode the mkv file (originally 40gb in size) to a 30gb file size! Handbrake took the same amount of time re-encoding The Ten Commandments (4-hour movie) down to 20gb size.

Does anyone have any insight as to why Handbrake took so long to re-encode Saving Private Ryan and why the resulting mkv file is 30gb in size?
post #2209 of 5693
Saving Private Ryan is very grainy. With the settings you use for HB it makes every effort to accurately render every spec of grain. Thus...large file size and long transcode time.
post #2210 of 5693
^^^ thanks for the insight. I never would've suspected that the grainier the image> the longer the transcoding time for HB. You learn something new everyday---thanks to this forum.smile.gif
post #2211 of 5693
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Originally Posted by EVT View Post

That sounds promising. Are you using DVDFab? Also, what does DVDFab do? Does it just convert to MKV SBS or does it also compress it? Ideally I wouldn't want to alter the bit rate.

Had a quick look EVT ; there are a few ways to shrink a 3d mkv file ; by compressing [ hit edit and change the bit rate or gb size you want ] and also by foregoing the lossless track and selecting a lossy alternative profile smile.gif Lossless tracks can be 5/6 gbs on some 3d bds ;it all adds up . Or ramp the bit rate slider to something where its virtually passthrough ; try the free trial to be sure maybe .

It also has profiles for active or passive display rips but dont know about the quality of the passive version of these[ active system here] ; I do 3d main movie isos shrunk to 25gb size ; notwithstanding seamless branching ;fixed subtitles issues wink.gif fab is good at picking the main title as was mentioned ..
post #2212 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 View Post

So, right now, I de-crypt with DVD-Fab and then grab 1080p main move and 5.1 AC3/DTS core with MakeMKV. Works fine (and pretty fast) but I end up with 25-35gb rips. Space is becoming a problem, and after all, I still have the real Blu-Ray sitting on the shelf ready to be inserted into the real Blu-Ray player.

So, going straight from the actual disc ... what would be the prefered way to get just 720p (at a decent bit-rate) and 5.1 sound? Maybe a file-size around 5gb.

Hi Tesla. Try using Vidcoder to compress to H.264 MKV. Vidcoder uses Handbrake as its encoding engine and the GUI works perfectly for grabbing the main movie out of the blu ray folder. I had originally ripped Shutter Island with MakeMKV and the file size of the main movie was over 28GB but when I then ran it through Vidcoder I got it down to just over 5GB without any noticeable difference in picture or audio quality.

Remember MakeMKV doesn't compress at all so if you're using it on a M2TS blu ray rip the file size is going to be a lot bigger than if you use an encoder to save it as an H.264 MKV instead.
post #2213 of 5693
HI

I think I read to much about ripping BD that now I am completely at lost.

I am about to buy a Qnap NAS and the Mede8er Me600x3D. So my question for you is : If I want to rip BD and BD3d without any compression or loss in video quality and audio quality what apps should I use? There seems to be some that compress the video no matter what.I downloaded some and rip DVD in M4V format, not sure that it is the best quality though

Thanks for your help
post #2214 of 5693
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Originally Posted by stephrich1 View Post

HI

I think I read to much about ripping BD that now I am completely at lost.

I am about to buy a Qnap NAS and the Mede8er Me600x3D. So my question for you is : If I want to rip BD and BD3d without any compression or loss in video quality and audio quality what apps should I use? There seems to be some that compress the video no matter what.I downloaded some and rip DVD in M4V format, not sure that it is the best quality though

Thanks for your help

I have been using DVDFab for years. I rip all my movies as movie only and output to an MKV I get no loss of quality and all the movies play flawlessly.
post #2215 of 5693
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Originally Posted by DiabloZoe View Post

I have been using DVDFab for years. I rip all my movies as movie only and output to an MKV I get no loss of quality and all the movies play flawlessly.

Well, if your talking about 3D and MKV are you doing conversion to SBS which would involve resolution loss?

Also, for your regular 2D movies what are you doing for subtitles - I think DVDFab is great except that unless your re-encode and burn subtitles into the video it rips the forced subtitles to 1080p Sub/IDX which my media players (Dune) can't handle - I know I raised this issue years ago on their forum but they never did add PGS subtitle support so I wouldn't expect that they ever will.

By the way, since you seem to be familiar with DVDFab - have you been able to figure out how to successfully rip a 3D BD to a movie only BDMV folder (without compression) - I can't seem to accomplish this successfully, the resulting BDMV folders I get are 2D - for that matter even full-disc rips of 3D BDs to BDMV have been hit and miss with DVDFab. Also, if anyone has software that they have used to successfully create a movie-only 3D BDMV folder your thoughts would be appreciated.
Edited by EVT - 2/11/13 at 8:33am
post #2216 of 5693
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Originally Posted by EVT View Post

Well, if your talking about 3D and MKV are you doing conversion to SBS which would involve resolution loss?

Also, for your regular 2D movies what are you doing for subtitles - I think DVDFab is great except that unless your re-encode and burn subtitles into the video it rips the forced subtitles to 1080p Sub/IDX which my media players (Dune) can't handle - I know I raised this issue years ago on their forum but they never did add PGS subtitle support so I wouldn't expect that they ever will.

By the way, since you seem to be familiar with DVDFab - have you been able to figure out how to successfully rip a 3D BD to a movie only BDMV folder (without compression) - I can't seem to accomplish this successfully, the resulting BDMV folders I get are 2D - for that matter even full-disc rips of 3D BDs to BDMV have been hit and miss with DVDFab. Also, if anyone has software that they have used to successfully create a movie-only 3D BDMV folder your thoughts would be appreciated.

I only rip my movies that are 3D to SBS, because I have a Dune so yes there is loss of quality but on my system it's very hard to notice! Up until recently you had the option remux the subtitles into the stream. Now I'm from the states so displaying forced sub picture is all I need for the forced subtitles. As for your other issues I only make SBS MKVs and don't mess with BMDV folders. Have you tried posting on the Fab forum?
post #2217 of 5693
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Originally Posted by DiabloZoe View Post

I only rip my movies that are 3D to SBS, because I have a Dune so yes there is loss of quality but on my system it's very hard to notice! Up until recently you had the option remux the subtitles into the stream. Now I'm from the states so displaying forced sub picture is all I need for the forced subtitles. As for your other issues I only make SBS MKVs and don't mess with BMDV folders. Have you tried posting on the Fab forum?

What profile and settings are you using - I see a multitude of options but not much of a description. So far I have settled on 3D MKV+audiocopy using the SBS setting and 50% and setting the size to maximum under custom. Is that pretty much the best quality setting I can use for the Dune? It looks good to me - indistinguishable from the blu-ray - at least from my regular seating position but I'd like to use the settings that would produce the best result possible.

Incidentally, do you know what the point of the SBS option is under blu-ray copy and whether that play's on the Dune?
post #2218 of 5693
Well, it looks like blu-ray sbs is essentially a 3D blu-ray converted to sbs 3D it plays back as a blu-ray folder or iso. This works very well on my Dune HD Max. However, there is one downside - subtitles do not show up properly.

Is anyone aware of how a sbs blu-ray can be created with subtitles displayed properly?
post #2219 of 5693
Sorry to be OT, but I think the folks here may have comments. Does anybody turn their server off between uses? I should qualify that and say that my home theater usage is only once a week, maybe two times. And then some times it is two weeks between uses. My concerns are power usage as well as wear on the drives.
post #2220 of 5693
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Sorry to be OT, but I think the folks here may have comments. Does anybody turn their server off between uses? I should qualify that and say that my home theater usage is only once a week, maybe two times. And then some times it is two weeks between uses. My concerns are power usage as well as wear on the drives.

I pretty much leave mine on 24/7. I could be wrong, but I have seen some people comment that turning on/off actually puts more wear on a drive then leaving running.

However, the main reason why I leave on is simply out of convenience, since my server may be used at any point throughout the day by family members. If I knew that possibly the only time I would use would be let's say on the weekend I would probably leave off during the week.
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