Ripping Blu-Rays II - Page 76

Originally Posted by BrolicBeast 


I wish someone would create a database full of amazing information like this. I've had to do some re-imports that have been quite frustrating.

Originally Posted by BrolicBeast 

I wish someone would create a database full of amazing information like this. I've had to do some re-imports that have been quite frustrating.

Originally Posted by blackssr 

Breaking Dawn Part 2 Redbox Rental

Correct Playlist

15) 00706.mpls, 1:55:13
[504+516+503+508+513+502+501+506+507+519+511+505+512+515+514].m2ts
- Chapters, 18 chapters
- h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- DTS Master Audio, English, multi-channel, 48kHz
- AC3, Spanish, multi-channel, 48kHz

Originally Posted by aaronwt 

So does that title have a rental only version?

Originally Posted by pepar 

Anyone already subscribed would have gotten the email as well, but the latest update of AnyDVD has, among other things -

- New: Option to disable Cinavia detection when using AnyDVD with ArcSoft
TMT 5.3, TMT 6.0 or PowerDVD 12

Originally Posted by dbone1026 

Yeah, just checked the forum. So instead of going after Cinavia/infected disc it appears that AnyDVD instead is going after the players (affecting their ability to detect Cinavia). Very interesting (obviously only impacts HTPC users and there is always the risk that the software players themselves update to counteract this, so not really a permanent solution)

Originally Posted by EVT 

It could mean that an HTPC solution may be the best option for the future. On the other hand, perhaps an individual with some programming expertise could accomplish the same for Dune or PCH players.

Originally Posted by dbone1026 

If BD Lite ever gets the few nagging issues fixed then BD support becomes much less import to many people.

Originally Posted by Gary J 

For some reason I do not have any BD-Lite issues on a PH C-200 when I use the new options on AnyDVD HD that essentially create a BD-Lite version by stripping everything else and creating its own menu. I used to get stuttering until I did a pause/play and have not noticed any issues even with Disney stuff.

Originally Posted by dbone1026 

You use the BD Lite settings on the PCH C200? The C200 supports full bd support, so if that is what is being used for playback then you wouldn't have any issues. BD Lite does not support forced subtitles or seamless branch (never has) so I can't imagine somehow PCH managed a fix for that in the 200 series (I assume you are just using their Full BD engine)

Originally Posted by space2001 

is there a resource that shows which mpls it is for which blu-ray.

for example finding nemo has 4 mpls tracks and I do not know which one to rip.

Thanks.

It would be great to start a google doc with this info to help people out. In the htpc section there is a Forced audio track google doc that people are keeping updated.

Originally Posted by Gary J 

No I use Full BD playback on the C-200 on the AnyDVD HD stripped version with AnyDVD menu.

Originally Posted by dbone1026 


So that is why. You are not using BD Lite for playback but full BD (completely separate from what AnyDVD does). BD Lite is simply the playback engine that gets using on the hardware device itself.

Originally Posted by dbone1026 

Yeah, just checked the forum. So instead of going after Cinavia/infected disc it appears that AnyDVD instead is going after the players (affecting their ability to detect Cinavia). Very interesting (obviously only impacts HTPC users and there is always the risk that the software players themselves update to counteract this, so not really a permanent solution)

Originally Posted by dbone1026 

I think the question as well will be how hard will the cinavia/studios push to have the hardware/software developers release updates as Cinavia workarounds come out. I would think from the software side the best option would just be to leave things as is and not try to chase workarounds (as I figure sales have been lost once these players implemented Cinavia)

Originally Posted by Kelson 

Looks like the future of full-menu BD players will be HTPC.

Originally Posted by Kelson 


I think they are finally admitting defeat when it comes to Cinavia removal -- it just can't be done. DVDFab has taken a different approach and created their own software player that does full menus and ignores Cinavia. That way they don't have to play cat & mouse like Any DVD will. I played with it a while back and it is pretty good -- it does what it advertises and handled full menus from a BD rip just fine. Looks like the future of full-menu BD players will be HTPC.

Originally Posted by Gary J 

And the result is none of the issues I had with BD Lite playback of full rips. And no wading through previews and the like.

Originally Posted by dbone1026 

My understanding the DVDFab method is something that XBMC is working on as well, so it could very well be that you get full-menu BD playback in non HTPC players as well as long as XBMC gets ported over (this is what Dune is hoping to do with their next gen player).

I think the only other solution I had heard of for Cinavia would be to someone implant an audio signal that would slightly distort the cinavia audio signal that gets detected, but I don't know if that was just a pipe dream.

Originally Posted by Gary J 

And the result is none of the issues I had with BD Lite playback of full rips. And no wading through previews and the like.

Originally Posted by EVT 

It's just that the reason people are looking for a fix for bd-lite is to support the new players that don't have full bd playback and your method wouldn't help those individuals. In other words, I can see why it works for you but it's not a fix for the new Dune and PCH players.

Originally Posted by Kelson 

DVDFab is out of beijing so their method is to ignore any and all license requirements and crack whatever they can't ignore. I'm not familiar with the details of XBMC, but that would be a nice trick for future media players if they can pull it off. Does XBMC already support full menus?
Pipe dream. So many people on forums have their 30 sec analysis as to how to get rid of Cinavia. DVD Fab has worked on it for 2.5 yr with no demonstrable success. It looks like both they and AnyDVD have thrown in the towel. Cinavia is here to stay.

DVD Fab is particularly sensitive to this because their main customer base is users who want to rip BD and burn them to BD-R for "backup" that can be played in a BD player. With all new players supporting Cinavia, they don't have an answer for these people. So they have been sweeping the issue under the rug of their forums and their moderators have been very zealous about sanitizing any critical posts -- and recently the new moderator recommended solution is to switch to a media player from burning disks.

Originally Posted by dbone1026 


Exactly as EVT pointed out, you are only fine because you are using the C200. Let's say you decided to upgrade to the PCH A400, regardless of what you do with AnyDVD you will run into issues on the A400 because it uses BD Lite (so no support for forced subtitles, no seamless branch support, etc...)

Originally Posted by Gary J 

For some reason I do not have any BD-Lite issues on a PH C-200 when I use the new options on AnyDVD HD that essentially create a BD-Lite version by stripping everything else and creating its own menu. I used to get stuttering until I did a pause/play and have not noticed any issues even with Disney stuff.

Originally Posted by Gary J 

Fully aware of that which is why I specifically mentioned the PH C-200.

Originally Posted by dbone1026 

I haven't really followed DVDFab closely. I know they had a work around for the PS3 but don't know if that still even works with Cinavia.

Originally Posted by dbone1026 

I haven't really followed DVDFab closely. I know they had a work around for the PS3 but don't know if that still even works with Cinavia. I do agree with you, I think the developers have moved on from trying to remove Cinavia and instead just looking at alternatives.

XBMC doesn't have full menu support currently, all I had heard is that they were working on it (and possibly along with the DVDFab folks). The other option is what the Dune folks are hoping to do with their upcoming player. Supposedly it would have 2 playback engines. The first playback engine would be for physical Blu rays (so Cinavia would kick in, only issue would be for t hose who burn discs). The second playback engine would be for any ripped media and would allow them to bypass Cinavia completely. Now granted until we actually see this you can take it with a grain of salt, but as of now that is what they are hoping to accomplish with their player.

Originally Posted by EVT 

dbone, I suspect that if HDI were to include a separate playback engine to avoid Cinavia it too would have to avoid a blu-ray license would it not? If so, except for physical disc playback wouldn't they be back at square one again in that only bd-lite would be supported? With the recent development by Slysoft I think the way to go would be to for companies like PCH and HDI to sell licensed players affected by Cinavia and make their players susceptible to a user hack that would enable defeating Cinavia detection by the player. If TMT5 and PowerDVD can be hacked surely HDI and PCH can't be expected to be full-proof in that regard? You could argue that HDI has already done that with the Smart series where an unauthorized patch file can be applied to enable multi-channel decoding without the product being licensed.