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Originally Posted by blackssr View Post

Breaking Dawn Part 2 Redbox Rental

Correct Playlist

15) 00706.mpls, 1:55:13
[504+516+503+508+513+502+501+506+507+519+511+505+512+515+514].m2ts
- Chapters, 18 chapters
- h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- DTS Master Audio, English, multi-channel, 48kHz
- AC3, Spanish, multi-channel, 48kHz

I wish someone would create a database full of amazing information like this. I've had to do some re-imports that have been quite frustrating.

Problem with that is that various versions of the same movie will have different playlists in those different versions. Sometimes different in the different US versions not even mentioning the different international versions that all have different specs and playlists.
post #2252 of 5693
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

I wish someone would create a database full of amazing information like this. I've had to do some re-imports that have been quite frustrating.

You probably know this...but this thread has a lot of that info
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1155731/new-unofficial-blu-ray-audio-and-video-specifications-thread/4800#post_22896945

not as easy to find info in as a database, but still useful.
post #2253 of 5693
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Originally Posted by blackssr View Post

Breaking Dawn Part 2 Redbox Rental

Correct Playlist

15) 00706.mpls, 1:55:13
[504+516+503+508+513+502+501+506+507+519+511+505+512+515+514].m2ts
- Chapters, 18 chapters
- h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- DTS Master Audio, English, multi-channel, 48kHz
- AC3, Spanish, multi-channel, 48kHz

So does that title have a rental only version?
post #2254 of 5693
Mine has 1.55.12 for 706 and 19 chapters.
Just ripped DVDFAB with out a problem.
Just quickly advancing in my computer seems to be ok.
Have to watch the movie to see if it worked.
post #2255 of 5693
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

So does that title have a rental only version?

Yes. Rental only. DTS HD Master at least. No Extras.
post #2256 of 5693
Anyone already subscribed would have gotten the email as well, but the latest update of AnyDVD has, among other things -

- New: Option to disable Cinavia detection when using AnyDVD with ArcSoft
TMT 5.3, TMT 6.0 or PowerDVD 12
post #2257 of 5693
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Anyone already subscribed would have gotten the email as well, but the latest update of AnyDVD has, among other things -

- New: Option to disable Cinavia detection when using AnyDVD with ArcSoft
TMT 5.3, TMT 6.0 or PowerDVD 12

Yeah, just checked the forum. So instead of going after Cinavia/infected disc it appears that AnyDVD instead is going after the players (affecting their ability to detect Cinavia). Very interesting (obviously only impacts HTPC users and there is always the risk that the software players themselves update to counteract this, so not really a permanent solution)
post #2258 of 5693
I was wondering what that was about. I saw it over in the SlySoft Forums but did't get around to reading about it since I have never been too concerned about Cinavia.
post #2259 of 5693
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Yeah, just checked the forum. So instead of going after Cinavia/infected disc it appears that AnyDVD instead is going after the players (affecting their ability to detect Cinavia). Very interesting (obviously only impacts HTPC users and there is always the risk that the software players themselves update to counteract this, so not really a permanent solution)

It could mean that an HTPC solution may be the best option for the future. On the other hand, perhaps an individual with some programming expertise could accomplish the same for Dune or PCH players.
post #2260 of 5693
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Originally Posted by EVT View Post

It could mean that an HTPC solution may be the best option for the future. On the other hand, perhaps an individual with some programming expertise could accomplish the same for Dune or PCH players.

Well, really depends. There is talk/speculation of having the Cinavia detection being built in to the graphics of an HTPC. Also, Cinavia only really matters IMO for those who want to play back full discs with full disc functionality. If BD Lite ever gets the few nagging issues fixed then BD support becomes much less import to many people.

I think the question as well will be how hard will the cinavia/studios push to have the hardware/software developers release updates as Cinavia workarounds come out. I would think from the software side the best option would just be to leave things as is and not try to chase workarounds (as I figure sales have been lost once these players implemented Cinavia)
post #2261 of 5693
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

If BD Lite ever gets the few nagging issues fixed then BD support becomes much less import to many people.

For some reason I do not have any BD-Lite issues on a PH C-200 when I use the new options on AnyDVD HD that essentially create a BD-Lite version by stripping everything else and creating its own menu. I used to get stuttering until I did a pause/play and have not noticed any issues even with Disney stuff.
post #2262 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

For some reason I do not have any BD-Lite issues on a PH C-200 when I use the new options on AnyDVD HD that essentially create a BD-Lite version by stripping everything else and creating its own menu. I used to get stuttering until I did a pause/play and have not noticed any issues even with Disney stuff.

You use the BD Lite settings on the PCH C200? The C200 supports full bd support, so if that is what is being used for playback then you wouldn't have any issues. BD Lite does not support forced subtitles or seamless branch (never has) so I can't imagine somehow PCH managed a fix for that in the 200 series (I assume you are just using their Full BD engine)
post #2263 of 5693
Only players, hard or soft, with BD licenses enforce Cinevia, only those players will be the target of workarounds and then, correspondingly, countermeasures by content owners.

Right?
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is there a resource that shows which mpls it is for which blu-ray.

for example finding nemo has 4 mpls tracks and I do not know which one to rip.

Thanks.

It would be great to start a google doc with this info to help people out. In the htpc section there is a Forced audio track google doc that people are keeping updated.
post #2265 of 5693
I've seen this mentioned before and maybe there already is a resource that does that? Search this thread a bit for "playlists" or some such term.

Jeff
post #2266 of 5693
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

You use the BD Lite settings on the PCH C200? The C200 supports full bd support, so if that is what is being used for playback then you wouldn't have any issues. BD Lite does not support forced subtitles or seamless branch (never has) so I can't imagine somehow PCH managed a fix for that in the 200 series (I assume you are just using their Full BD engine)

No I use Full BD playback on the C-200 on the AnyDVD HD stripped version with AnyDVD menu.
post #2267 of 5693
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Originally Posted by space2001 View Post

is there a resource that shows which mpls it is for which blu-ray.

for example finding nemo has 4 mpls tracks and I do not know which one to rip.

Thanks.

It would be great to start a google doc with this info to help people out. In the htpc section there is a Forced audio track google doc that people are keeping updated.

I use BDRebuilder to sort out the correct playlist.

For Disney movies it is usually easy to find because you can see it right in the opening credits (see my writeup below)

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2011/11/17/guide-choosing-the-right-playlist-for-a-main-movie-rip/

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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

No I use Full BD playback on the C-200 on the AnyDVD HD stripped version with AnyDVD menu.

So that is why. You are not using BD Lite for playback but full BD (completely separate from what AnyDVD does). BD Lite is simply the playback engine that gets using on the hardware device itself.
post #2268 of 5693
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post


So that is why. You are not using BD Lite for playback but full BD (completely separate from what AnyDVD does). BD Lite is simply the playback engine that gets using on the hardware device itself.

And the result is none of the issues I had with BD Lite playback of full rips. And no wading through previews and the like.
post #2269 of 5693
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Yeah, just checked the forum. So instead of going after Cinavia/infected disc it appears that AnyDVD instead is going after the players (affecting their ability to detect Cinavia). Very interesting (obviously only impacts HTPC users and there is always the risk that the software players themselves update to counteract this, so not really a permanent solution)
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I think the question as well will be how hard will the cinavia/studios push to have the hardware/software developers release updates as Cinavia workarounds come out. I would think from the software side the best option would just be to leave things as is and not try to chase workarounds (as I figure sales have been lost once these players implemented Cinavia)
I think they are finally admitting defeat when it comes to Cinavia removal -- it just can't be done. DVDFab has taken a different approach and created their own software player that does full menus and ignores Cinavia. That way they don't have to play cat & mouse like Any DVD will. I played with it a while back and it is pretty good -- it does what it advertises and handled full menus from a BD rip just fine. Looks like the future of full-menu BD players will be HTPC.
post #2270 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Looks like the future of full-menu BD players will be HTPC.

Or the past media players that don't use it.
post #2271 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post


I think they are finally admitting defeat when it comes to Cinavia removal -- it just can't be done. DVDFab has taken a different approach and created their own software player that does full menus and ignores Cinavia. That way they don't have to play cat & mouse like Any DVD will. I played with it a while back and it is pretty good -- it does what it advertises and handled full menus from a BD rip just fine. Looks like the future of full-menu BD players will be HTPC.

My understanding the DVDFab method is something that XBMC is working on as well, so it could very well be that you get full-menu BD playback in non HTPC players as well as long as XBMC gets ported over (this is what Dune is hoping to do with their next gen player).

I think the only other solution I had heard of for Cinavia would be to someone implant an audio signal that would slightly distort the cinavia audio signal that gets detected, but I don't know if that was just a pipe dream. I agree that stripping Cinavia out doesn't sound like it will happen, so now it is about looking for work arounds.
post #2272 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

And the result is none of the issues I had with BD Lite playback of full rips. And no wading through previews and the like.

It's just that the reason people are looking for a fix for bd-lite is to support the new players that don't have full bd playback and your method wouldn't help those individuals. In other words, I can see why it works for you but it's not a fix for the new Dune and PCH players.
post #2273 of 5693
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

My understanding the DVDFab method is something that XBMC is working on as well, so it could very well be that you get full-menu BD playback in non HTPC players as well as long as XBMC gets ported over (this is what Dune is hoping to do with their next gen player).
DVDFab is out of beijing so their method is to ignore any and all license requirements and crack whatever they can't ignore. I'm not familiar with the details of XBMC, but that would be a nice trick for future media players if they can pull it off. Does XBMC already support full menus?
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I think the only other solution I had heard of for Cinavia would be to someone implant an audio signal that would slightly distort the cinavia audio signal that gets detected, but I don't know if that was just a pipe dream.
Pipe dream. So many people on forums have their 30 sec analysis as to how to get rid of Cinavia. DVD Fab has worked on it for 2.5 yr with no demonstrable success. It looks like both they and AnyDVD have thrown in the towel. Cinavia is here to stay.

DVD Fab is particularly sensitive to this because their main customer base is users who want to rip BD and burn them to BD-R for "backup" that can be played in a BD player. With all new players supporting Cinavia, they don't have an answer for these people. So they have been sweeping the issue under the rug of their forums and their moderators have been very zealous about sanitizing any critical posts -- and recently the new moderator recommended solution is to switch to a media player from burning disks.
Edited by Kelson - 3/6/13 at 11:35am
post #2274 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

And the result is none of the issues I had with BD Lite playback of full rips. And no wading through previews and the like.

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Originally Posted by EVT View Post

It's just that the reason people are looking for a fix for bd-lite is to support the new players that don't have full bd playback and your method wouldn't help those individuals. In other words, I can see why it works for you but it's not a fix for the new Dune and PCH players.

Exactly as EVT pointed out, you are only fine because you are using the C200. Let's say you decided to upgrade to the PCH A400, regardless of what you do with AnyDVD you will run into issues on the A400 because it uses BD Lite (so no support for forced subtitles, no seamless branch support, etc...)
post #2275 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

DVDFab is out of beijing so their method is to ignore any and all license requirements and crack whatever they can't ignore. I'm not familiar with the details of XBMC, but that would be a nice trick for future media players if they can pull it off. Does XBMC already support full menus?
Pipe dream. So many people on forums have their 30 sec analysis as to how to get rid of Cinavia. DVD Fab has worked on it for 2.5 yr with no demonstrable success. It looks like both they and AnyDVD have thrown in the towel. Cinavia is here to stay.

DVD Fab is particularly sensitive to this because their main customer base is users who want to rip BD and burn them to BD-R for "backup" that can be played in a BD player. With all new players supporting Cinavia, they don't have an answer for these people. So they have been sweeping the issue under the rug of their forums and their moderators have been very zealous about sanitizing any critical posts -- and recently the new moderator recommended solution is to switch to a media player from burning disks.

I haven't really followed DVDFab closely. I know they had a work around for the PS3 but don't know if that still even works with Cinavia. I do agree with you, I think the developers have moved on from trying to remove Cinavia and instead just looking at alternatives.

XBMC doesn't have full menu support currently, all I had heard is that they were working on it (and possibly along with the DVDFab folks). The other option is what the Dune folks are hoping to do with their upcoming player. Supposedly it would have 2 playback engines. The first playback engine would be for physical Blu rays (so Cinavia would kick in, only issue would be for t hose who burn discs). The second playback engine would be for any ripped media and would allow them to bypass Cinavia completely. Now granted until we actually see this you can take it with a grain of salt, but as of now that is what they are hoping to accomplish with their player.
post #2276 of 5693
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post


Exactly as EVT pointed out, you are only fine because you are using the C200. Let's say you decided to upgrade to the PCH A400, regardless of what you do with AnyDVD you will run into issues on the A400 because it uses BD Lite (so no support for forced subtitles, no seamless branch support, etc...)

Fully aware of that which is why I specifically mentioned the PH C-200.

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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

For some reason I do not have any BD-Lite issues on a PH C-200 when I use the new options on AnyDVD HD that essentially create a BD-Lite version by stripping everything else and creating its own menu. I used to get stuttering until I did a pause/play and have not noticed any issues even with Disney stuff.
post #2277 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

Fully aware of that which is why I specifically mentioned the PH C-200.

Yes, just wanted to be clear the "BD Lite" you are referring to is not the BD Lite we are referring to
post #2278 of 5693
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I haven't really followed DVDFab closely. I know they had a work around for the PS3 but don't know if that still even works with Cinavia.
Has not worked for a long time. They exploited a hole in the PS3 firmware that enabled them to burn a protected disk specifically to be played on the PS3. Then they crowed about it and Sony closed the hole with the next PS3 firmware revision (v4.0). They are still crowing about it as if it were relevant because they have nothing else.
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I haven't really followed DVDFab closely. I know they had a work around for the PS3 but don't know if that still even works with Cinavia. I do agree with you, I think the developers have moved on from trying to remove Cinavia and instead just looking at alternatives.

XBMC doesn't have full menu support currently, all I had heard is that they were working on it (and possibly along with the DVDFab folks). The other option is what the Dune folks are hoping to do with their upcoming player. Supposedly it would have 2 playback engines. The first playback engine would be for physical Blu rays (so Cinavia would kick in, only issue would be for t hose who burn discs). The second playback engine would be for any ripped media and would allow them to bypass Cinavia completely. Now granted until we actually see this you can take it with a grain of salt, but as of now that is what they are hoping to accomplish with their player.

dbone, I suspect that if HDI were to include a separate playback engine to avoid Cinavia it too would have to avoid a blu-ray license would it not? If so, except for physical disc playback wouldn't they be back at square one again in that only bd-lite would be supported? With the recent development by Slysoft I think the way to go would be to for companies like PCH and HDI to sell licensed players affected by Cinavia and make their players susceptible to a user hack that would enable defeating Cinavia detection by the player. If TMT5 and PowerDVD can be hacked surely HDI and PCH can't be expected to be full-proof in that regard? You could argue that HDI has already done that with the Smart series where an unauthorized patch file can be applied to enable multi-channel decoding without the product being licensed.
post #2280 of 5693
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Originally Posted by EVT View Post

dbone, I suspect that if HDI were to include a separate playback engine to avoid Cinavia it too would have to avoid a blu-ray license would it not? If so, except for physical disc playback wouldn't they be back at square one again in that only bd-lite would be supported? With the recent development by Slysoft I think the way to go would be to for companies like PCH and HDI to sell licensed players affected by Cinavia and make their players susceptible to a user hack that would enable defeating Cinavia detection by the player. If TMT5 and PowerDVD can be hacked surely HDI and PCH can't be expected to be full-proof in that regard? You could argue that HDI has already done that with the Smart series where an unauthorized patch file can be applied to enable multi-channel decoding without the product being licensed.

Honestly I don't even know as this is still a bit of speculation. I tried to get a better answer regarding how BD rips would be handled (i.e. if it falls under the Physical BD engine then you are back to square 1 with Cinavia, it it falls back to the separate playback engine then you are possibly back to BD Lite). Their new player though is supposed to be running XBMC, so it could very well be possible that XBMC has bd menu support added by then so BD Lite is not needed. Right now there are too many variables and too many unknowns to honestly know if they can make this work, and my guess we won't even see something until some point in Q3.

I was thinking the same thing regarding workarounds for the Dunes/PCHs, etc... Maybe it just needs to be something where everyone gives up on trying to remove Cinavia and instead just focus purely on workarounds/way to block detection.
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