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post #2281 of 3027
3/6/13 at 3:58pm
My understanding is that a BDA license is not required for BD menus but is required for BD Live content. So if the user expects the full experience of the BD.iso rip as if he were playing a disk in a player then the media player will require a BDA license to support BD Live -- hence Cinavia.
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post #2282 of 3027
3/6/13 at 4:05pm
Any thoughts on how many media server users do a full rip and use the menus, access the extras, etc versus those that strip out everything except main movie, lossless audio and subs if needed?

Jeff
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post #2283 of 3027
3/6/13 at 4:19pm
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Any thoughts on how many media server users do a full rip and use the menus, access the extras, etc versus those that strip out everything except main movie, lossless audio and subs if needed?

Jeff

I would guess a majority do just main movie (either to mkv/m2ts, or main movie folder/ISO rips). Purely a guess though, just based on what I see people post
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post #2284 of 3027
3/6/13 at 5:10pm
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I would guess a majority do just main movie (either to mkv/m2ts, or main movie folder/ISO rips). Purely a guess though, just based on what I see people post

Keep in mind, it is far simpler to do full-disc rips, and can even be fully automated (e.g. My Movies on WHS). Which means the people doing full-disc rips won't come here asking questions.
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post #2285 of 3027
3/6/13 at 5:46pm
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Keep in mind, it is far simpler to do full-disc rips, and can even be fully automated (e.g. My Movies on WHS). Which means the people doing full-disc rips won't come here asking questions.

People who do full disc rips still frequent avs often asking questions. I am just basing on people i have talked to here, on my blog, or know personally. It is in no way scientific, but the question was posed as an opinion question.
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post #2286 of 3027
3/6/13 at 7:24pm
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Keep in mind, it is far simpler to do full-disc rips, and can even be fully automated (e.g. My Movies on WHS). Which means the people doing full-disc rips won't come here asking questions.

I used My Movies and had it automated for ripping four or five discs concurrently to BD ISOs. All I had to do was stick the disc in the tray and remove it when it was done. I still came here and to other forums to get info. But I would say I got the most useful info from Damian and his articles.
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post #2287 of 3027
3/6/13 at 9:28pm
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I used My Movies and had it automated for ripping four or five discs concurrently to BD ISOs. All I had to do was stick the disc in the tray and remove it when it was done. I still came here and to other forums to get info. But I would say I got the most useful info from Damian and his articles.

 

Looks interesting. So, how do you play BD.iso? Do you get full menus, 1080p, lossless HD sound, Chapters, Forced Subs, etc ... just like a real/pressed BD?
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post #2288 of 3027
3/7/13 at 3:59am
I am all about ease of use i.e., rip - > done so I did full rips. Now AnyDVD HD has options for keeping as much or little as you like so I am configured to discard previews and anything under 2 minutes automatically.
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post #2289 of 3027
3/11/13 at 10:46am
I cannot believe I'm still "scared off" of this process.

I have a 5 year sony vaio that has a BD drive, but I consistently run into problem with it being able to "read" newer discs...long story but the windvd program states that it's missing something.

Anyway, once I get this corrected I should be able to rip the BDs, correct?

Then, I want to put these on a NAS or external HDDs? The nas won't give me the nice menus and what not on my ps3/apple tv, correct? For that I'd need a specialized streamer box that I can download a menu app on, correct?

Personally, I still think HDDs are too pricey and rip times too slow for a 400 disc BD collection like mine, but I think if I got started, I'd just say f' it.

James
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post #2290 of 3027
3/11/13 at 10:57am
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I cannot believe I'm still "scared off" of this process.

I have a 5 year sony vaio that has a BD drive, but I consistently run into problem with it being able to "read" newer discs...long story but the windvd program states that it's missing something.

Anyway, once I get this corrected I should be able to rip the BDs, correct?

Then, I want to put these on a NAS or external HDDs? The nas won't give me the nice menus and what not on my ps3/apple tv, correct? For that I'd need a specialized streamer box that I can download a menu app on, correct?

Personally, I still think HDDs are too pricey and rip times too slow for a 400 disc BD collection like mine, but I think if I got started, I'd just say f' it.

James

I have probably a 400+ BD collection and over 4-5000 tv episodes lol

Sounds like the issue if your BD drive.Most people will run into an issue here and there where for whatever reason a ROM drive won't read a disc

When you say menus, can you clarify what you mean, are you talking about a jukebox similar to the below?



HDD prices have come down considerably. I have seen 3TB drives for under $140
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post #2291 of 3027
3/11/13 at 11:08am
^ Yes. A nice menu system to view my library. I am tempted to grab a nas but that just means my movies will show up in/as folders on my ps3, correct? I'd still need to grab a "specialized" streamer and and a menu app of some sort, right?

thanks

James
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post #2292 of 3027
3/11/13 at 11:12am
Man I just want a huge-TB box I can insert discs into, rip, and connect to my router, lol.

Knobs like me are just so plug and play it drives folks like you crazy. tongue.gifeek.gifbiggrin.gif

James
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post #2293 of 3027
3/11/13 at 11:13am
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^ Yes. A nice menu system to view my library. I am tempted to grab a nas but that just means my movies will show up in/as folders on my ps3, correct? I'd still need to grab a "specialized" streamer and and a menu app of some sort, right?

thanks

James

Correct. The menu/jukebox view will be handled by the streamer, not by the NAS (or some combination of the two). The common media players used by members here are the Mede8ers, Dunes, and PCHs, all of which have some sort of jukebox/menu app
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post #2294 of 3027
3/11/13 at 11:21am
SO I shouldn't really waster my time with a NAS then, but simply an HDD I can connect to my router/media player and use a standalone box.

Wait, did I just describe an NAS or is there functionality beyond just hooking up to a router?

James
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post #2295 of 3027
3/11/13 at 11:23am
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SO I shouldn't really waster my time with a NAS then, but simply an HDD I can connect to my router/media player and use a standalone box.

Wait, did I just describe an NAS or is there functionality beyond just hooking up to a router?

James

Well, a NAS could give you protection in the event of a single drive failure..if you just have a HDD, then all the work ripping would be lost with a drive failure.
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post #2296 of 3027
3/11/13 at 11:27am
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SO I shouldn't really waster my time with a NAS then, but simply an HDD I can connect to my router/media player and use a standalone box.

Wait, did I just describe an NAS or is there functionality beyond just hooking up to a router?

James

Many media players allow for you to install an internal hard drive or connect an external drive via USB. Really depends on how you want to use. If you go this route if something happens to the drive you lose your media (whereas many NAS offer some sort of data protection). Also, a NAS would allow you to stream your media to various locations in your house (as opposed to just the location where the media player is if you use an attached drive).

You could use your router or media player to act as a NAS, but honestly I would not recommend that
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post #2297 of 3027
3/11/13 at 11:35am
Ok, so if I go the route of a NAS and hook it up to router/network I would simply add my chosen MP wherever I want to have playback and they'll access the NAS just fine?

If that's the case, then I'm prolly back behind the 8 ball as far as cost goes. I figure I need about 15 TBs for storage and then, what, double that for back up? These seem alright http://www.amazon.com/Personal-Cloud-Storage-Share-Photos/dp/B0064XAIZY/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1363026781&sr=1-9&keywords=TB+nas but 5 of them at $400+ apiece!?

I don't nearly fully understand RAID, but I don't need to double capacity, necessarily, do I? But then I prolly get in way too far over my head, but the above units seem to be 1:1.

thanks...hopes it's not too far off topic, I think a lot of people looking to start ripping and getting into this could benefit.

James
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post #2298 of 3027
3/11/13 at 11:44am
Hi,

No, you don't need double capacity. It depends on which flavor of RAID you choose, but I have a 4 bay Readynas, all with 3TB drives, and I essentially get to use 3 for storage (so roughly 9TB is available), and I'm protected from a single drive failure.
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post #2299 of 3027
3/11/13 at 11:50am
Ok, not to beat you guys up too much, but how difficult is it to set up a raid array (like yours)? I suppose I could get a few hundred movies out of a set up like yours. But the drives are what, ~$150 apiece and then the NAS itself, $-wise?

Wow, after a quick search on amazon, I'm going to be spending ~$500 on the NAS alone, heh?

Bout a $1,000+ all day, then?

James
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post #2300 of 3027
3/11/13 at 11:55am
I've only ever used a ReadyNas...so for my setup,yeah, about $1000.
It is super simple, add the drives (all similar capacity), pick your type of redundancy, then let it run for ~ 1 day prepping (striping) the drives. Then, just treat it like one big ol' drive and add what you want.
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post #2301 of 3027
3/11/13 at 12:00pm
I appreciate your honesty on the cost front. I've been going back and forth with this for a few years now and it just keeps coming down to two things, assuming I handle the tech side of everything correctly:

1. Time/effort of ripping 400 discs.

2. Cost of storing the above.

I ended up going with a Sony 400 disc BD changer a few years ago which has served me very well, but I keep peeking back in just to see how/if this route is becoming easier and cheaper.

Of course I like the ability of having near instantaneous playback AND multi-room use, but it still seems to come at a pretty hefty monetary and time cost.

James
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post #2302 of 3027
3/11/13 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

I appreciate your honesty on the cost front. I've been going back and forth with this for a few years now and it just keeps coming down to two things, assuming I handle the tech side of everything correctly:

1. Time/effort of ripping 400 discs.

2. Cost of storing the above.

I ended up going with a Sony 400 disc BD changer a few years ago which has served me very well, but I keep peeking back in just to see how/if this route is becoming easier and cheaper.

Of course I like the ability of having near instantaneous playback AND multi-room use, but it still seems to come at a pretty hefty monetary and time cost.

James

As skro mentioned, it really depends on what NAS you go with. The pre built solutions (such as ReadyNas, Synology, QNap) should really be plug and play without the need to really understand or worry about setting up RAID. If you go with a DIY build (such as I did) then of course it gets a bit more involved.

Depending on your PC hardware and how you want to rip will determine how long it will take. I assume you want a lossless copy of each movie (i.e. original quality). If so I would say on average you are looking at 30-45 minutes per movie to rip. If you are concerned about size and want to encode the file down, then you might be looking at 1-2+ hours or move per movie (depending on your PC hardware).
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post #2303 of 3027
3/11/13 at 12:44pm
Well, I wasn't able top find a terribly large (read 12+ TB) "easy" (as in: sets up RAID for you, as far as I could tell like the WD http://www.amazon.com/Personal-Cloud-Storage-Share-Photos/dp/B0064XAIZY/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1363031314&sr=1-3&keywords=WD+nas) NAS, so I figured if I wanted a one case solution I'd have to set up a RAID. I'd LOVE to be wrong, of course, perhaps these pre-built jobs can be easily daisy-chained?

The WD example above is a bit of a joke, imo. Basically, to have your movies backed up, you end up with 3 TBs (about a hundred movies) for $416? Ouch.

45 minutes is doable in the ripping dept. Not too bad.

thanks,
James
Edited by mastermaybe - 3/11/13 at 12:50pm
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post #2304 of 3027
3/11/13 at 12:46pm
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Well, I wasn't able top find a terribly large (read 12+ TB) "easy" NAS, so I figured if I wanted a one case solution I'd have to set up a RAID. I'd LOVE to be wrong, of course, perhaps these pre-built jobs can be easily daisy-chained?

45 minutes is doable in the ripping dept. Not too bad.

thanks,
James

You could go with Synology. Many people like, they are expandable, but can be rather pricey.

http://www.synology.com/products/DX513.php?lang=us
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post #2305 of 3027
3/11/13 at 12:57pm
Doesn't seem too bad compared to other (4) bay units, under $500, actually.

James
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post #2306 of 3027
3/11/13 at 1:20pm
Here's what I use...also under $500
http://www.amazon.com/ReadyNAS-diskless-Attached-generation-RNDU4000/dp/B003V8AL8O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1363032886&sr=8-1&keywords=readynas+ultra+4

---edit---this link is for the Ultra 4, not the Ultra4+ (which I have)....the Ultra4+ runs about ~$100-150 more.

I know a lot of people like they synology software, and it does seem better than Readynas. I chose the readynas because it offered squeezebox integration.

If I could choose any NAS, I'd take the Ultra6+ from Readynas...6 bays and it has the most powerful CPU of any NAS I know of (which will allow on-the-fly media transcoding from server software like Plex to devices that don't support the original format/container, etc.)
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post #2307 of 3027
3/12/13 at 8:49am
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Well, I wasn't able top find a terribly large (read 12+ TB) "easy" (as in: sets up RAID for you, as far as I could tell like the WD http://www.amazon.com/Personal-Cloud-Storage-Share-Photos/dp/B0064XAIZY/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1363031314&sr=1-3&keywords=WD+nas) NAS, so I figured if I wanted a one case solution I'd have to set up a RAID. I'd LOVE to be wrong, of course, perhaps these pre-built jobs can be easily daisy-chained?

The WD example above is a bit of a joke, imo. Basically, to have your movies backed up, you end up with 3 TBs (about a hundred movies) for $416? Ouch.

45 minutes is doable in the ripping dept. Not too bad.

thanks,
James
I have 9 USB drives daisy-chained together and they work perfectly. I have a 4 port USB connector connecting 3 drives at a time. I've been using this set up for over 5 years. I've recently added a 3TB drive to the set up. It's much cheaper then a NAS or RAID since it's just the external drives purchased. If you don't need redundancy etc then I'd suggest my method. I purchase 'green' external drives (every drive but the last one has been a Fantom Green drive) to reduce electricity and, the real reason, to have them last longer so they're not always 'spinning'.
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post #2308 of 3027
3/12/13 at 9:32am
You might consider a Mediasonic ( http://www.mediasonic.ca/ ) - I have three of their 4-Bay (USB/eSATA) enclosures attached to an HP EX490/MSS/WHS... when I need more storage, the Mediasonic models will be on the top of the consideration list

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816322007&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-RAID+Enclosure%2fSubsystems-_-N82E16816322007&gclid=CN6ige3J97UCFckx4Aodv1EADQ
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post #2309 of 3027
3/13/13 at 5:56am
Thanks for all of the options, guys. It seems I'm prolly going to be best off just getting my BD drive straightened out (really, prolly just getting a new external drive, straightaway) and then plan on spending a grand for my storage.

James
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post #2310 of 3027
3/13/13 at 6:13am
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You might consider a Mediasonic ( http://www.mediasonic.ca/ ) - I have three of their 4-Bay (USB/eSATA) enclosures attached to an HP EX490/MSS/WHS... when I need more storage, the Mediasonic models will be on the top of the consideration list

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816322007&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-RAID+Enclosure%2fSubsystems-_-N82E16816322007&gclid=CN6ige3J97UCFckx4Aodv1EADQ

+1 for the Media Sonic enclosures. I've been using seven of the 4-bay enclosures with my WHS for years. I've had no issues with them. They are small because they have an external power supply and they will also turn on and off with my WHS because they sense when it's drawing current to turn on and off. Plus you can access the hard drive by only opening a front cover. Much easier than the SansDigital enclosures I use with my unRAID setup.
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