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post #241 of 3068
6/6/11 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Both, I have several HTPCs which I use WMC + MediaBrowser for playback.

I also have 2 Dunes, 2 PCHs, etc...

Everything is streamed from my WHS

I have used a Divico M6500 (older file formats- not BD-ISO) and lately a SageTV HD300.

The SageTV is acting up and I am trying to decide whether to go to a Oppo 93, a Dune or an HTPC with the latest Video Card of Choice.

Basically, a HTPC with a SW Decoder(?) or a Media Streamer with a Hardware Decoder(?)

I have XXTB's of Network Storage and have a growing library of BD-.ISO's.
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post #242 of 3068
6/6/11 at 10:17am
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I have used a Divico M6500 (older file formats- not BD-ISO) and lately a SageTV HD300.

The SageTV is acting up and I am trying to decide whether to go to a Oppo 93, a Dune or an HTPC with the latest Video Card of Choice.

Basically, a HTPC with a SW Decoder(?) or a Media Streamer with a Hardware Decoder(?)

I have XXTB's of Network Storage and have a growing library of BD-.ISO's.

Really is a tough call. For just pure video playback ( no gaming, pvr functionality, etc...) I have found that a media streamer such as the Dune is a much more stable platform versus an HTPC. I had been using solely HTPCs but slowly I found I kept running into instabilities that weren't huge for me but caused a big it with the WAF. Now a large amount of my video playback is done via the Dunes and the WAF has gone back up.
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post #243 of 3068
6/6/11 at 10:24am
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Really is a tough call. For just pure video playback ( no gaming, pvr functionality, etc...) I have found that a media streamer such as the Dune is a much more stable platform versus an HTPC. I had been using solely HTPCs but slowly I found I kept running into instabilities that weren't huge for me but caused a big it with the WAF. Now a large amount of my video playback is done via the Dunes and the WAF has gone back up.

How does the Oppo 93 compare to the Dune as a Media Streamer (and which Dune do you have)?

Did you see a big PQ difference between AMD/Nvidia HTPC Playback and Sigma/RealTek etc. HW Decoders in BD/Media Streamers?
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post #244 of 3068
6/6/11 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by mkerdman View Post

How does the Oppo 93 compare to the Dune as a Media Streamer (and which Dune do you have)?

Did you see a big PQ difference between AMD/Nvidia HTPC Playback and Sigma/RealTek etc. HW Decoders in BD/Media Streamers?

Never used an Oppo but from a pure media streamer standpoint I would assume the Oppo is inferior to the Dune or other (based on file support, jukebox support, etc...)

I honestly have had no issues with PQ between my HTPCs (running AMD and Intel gpus) and that of Sigma (Dune, PCH, etc...)

I have the Dune BD Prime and Dune Smart D1
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post #245 of 3068
6/6/11 at 12:38pm
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How does the Oppo 93 compare to the Dune as a Media Streamer (and which Dune do you have)?
I'm very curious about this as well, I have a new Oppo BDP-95
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post #246 of 3068
6/6/11 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post
I'm very curious about this as well, I have a new Oppo BDP-95
From what I have read others state there is no discernible difference in PQ between the Dune and Oppo when it comes to BluRays. The only area where you may/may not see a difference is in SD content and the ability to upconvert (I assume the question is in regards to PQ or are you asking about the other media streamer duties as well?)
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post #247 of 3068
6/6/11 at 12:55pm
Yes, that's pretty much an excepted given these days. Image quality will be the same, or at least way too close to call, no matter what you're using to play back blu-rays. It's in all the other aspects; feature set, SD upconversion quality, player reliability, etc., that differences may be found.
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post #248 of 3068
6/6/11 at 12:57pm
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Yes, that's pretty much an excepted given these days. Image quality will be the same no matter what you're using to play back blu-rays. It's in all the other aspects; feature set, SD upconversion quality, reliability, etc., that differences may be found.
I would expect reliability as far as playing back an actual disc to be better on the Oppo as the Dune does at times have issues with certain discs. However, as far as playing back streamed content I would expect the Dune to be superior.
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post #249 of 3068
6/6/11 at 2:21pm
I have an Oppo 93 and a Dune H1. I can't detect any picture quality differences for BR as others have already mentioned. SD upconvertion is better on the Oppo. As a media streamer, the Dune is far superior to the Oppo. The ability to play iso files is a big plus for the dune. Can't say either streaming interface is very elegant, but I haven't set up Zapiti yet for the Dune. I also had issues with the Oppo stuttering when streaming m2ts files (wired connection). No problems with the Dune.

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How does the Oppo 93 compare to the Dune as a Media Streamer (and which Dune do you have)?
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post #250 of 3068
6/6/11 at 5:09pm
After ripping some blu-rays into an mkv file I find that I'm having a problem with DTS audio and streaming. I'm using handbrake to make the mkv and the only audio option for a DTS track is DTS pass thru, the throughput to my BD 570 is not good enough to handle audio without causing the playback to stutter. So now I'm looking at other options and would appreciate any advice. I know I have the option of connecting a usb external hd and playing the movies off that. Wanted to know is there a media streaming device such as a Roku, Wd Live or similar device you would recommend that would let me stream content from my computer, looking for one that supports a wide range of video and audio codecs. Thanks in advance
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post #251 of 3068
6/6/11 at 5:41pm
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After ripping some blu-rays into an mkv file I find that I'm having a problem with DTS audio and streaming. I'm using handbrake to make the mkv and the only audio option for a DTS track is DTS pass thru, the throughput to my BD 570 is not good enough to handle audio without causing the playback to stutter. So now I'm looking at other options and would appreciate any advice. I know I have the option of connecting a usb external hd and playing the movies off that. Wanted to know is there a media streaming device such as a Roku, Wd Live or similar device you would recommend that would let me stream content from my computer, looking for one that supports a wide range of video and audio codecs. Thanks in advance
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Easy,look at the dune players
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post #252 of 3068
6/7/11 at 12:01am
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As a media streamer, the Dune is far superior to the Oppo. The ability to play iso files is a big plus for the dune. I also had issues with the Oppo stuttering when streaming m2ts files (wired connection). No problems with the Dune.

what about comparing equal files while streaming on both players? say an FLAC file? How is it that the Dune yields improved sound quality?
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post #253 of 3068
6/8/11 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

From what I have read others state there is no discernible difference in PQ between the Dune and Oppo when it comes to BluRays. The only area where you may/may not see a difference is in SD content and the ability to upconvert (I assume the question is in regards to PQ or are you asking about the other media streamer duties as well?)

I am still working on setup tweaks to my Dune HD Base 3.0 and probably haven't found the right set-up yet. The Dune is connected through an IScan Duo to my Sim2 C3X Lite projector. I've made dramatic improvements to PQ through recent config changes to IScan Duo, but it still darker and grainier than I'd like. I haven't tried going directly from the Dune to the Sim2. That may be my next test.

Last night I streamed both Blu Ray and SD (Mkv and M2ts) through my Oppo BDP-83SE and found the PQ clearly far superior compared to the Dune and extremely close to playing the disc through the Oppo.

The interface for the Oppo is it's biggest drawback to me for both audio and video. But I can live with it until I get the Dune to equal the Oppo's PQ.

Max
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post #254 of 3068
6/8/11 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by maxfli View Post

I am still working on setup tweaks to my Dune HD Base 3.0 and probably haven't found the right set-up yet. The Dune is connected through an IScan Duo to my Sim2 C3X Lite projector. I've made dramatic improvements to PQ through recent config changes to IScan Duo, but it still darker and grainier than I'd like. I haven't tried going directly from the Dune to the Sim2. That may be my next test.

Last night I streamed both Blu Ray and SD (Mkv and M2ts) through my Oppo BDP-83SE and found the PQ clearly far superior compared to the Dune and extremely close to playing the disc through the Oppo.

The interface for the Oppo is it's biggest drawback to me for both audio and video. But I can live with it until I get the Dune to equal the Oppo's PQ.

Max

Thanks for sharing. I don't have an Oppo so I can't comment. I would be curious though for those who have said that the Dune is basically on par with the Oppo in terms of HD content if they made any adjustments to their Dune settings or other.. I think the one thing you lose with the Dune right now that you get with the Oppo is source direct
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post #255 of 3068
6/8/11 at 9:31am
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Originally Posted by maxfli View Post

I am still working on setup tweaks to my Dune HD Base 3.0 and probably haven't found the right set-up yet. The Dune is connected through an IScan Duo to my Sim2 C3X Lite projector. I've made dramatic improvements to PQ through recent config changes to IScan Duo, but it still darker and grainier than I'd like. I haven't tried going directly from the Dune to the Sim2. That may be my next test.

Last night I streamed both Blu Ray and SD (Mkv and M2ts) through my Oppo BDP-83SE and found the PQ clearly far superior compared to the Dune and extremely close to playing the disc through the Oppo.

The interface for the Oppo is it's biggest drawback to me for both audio and video. But I can live with it until I get the Dune to equal the Oppo's PQ.

Max

I'd love to see both. My Dune Smart looks the same to me as if I were playing the content directly from a BR player (except without all the annoying advertisements, trailers, warnings, menus, etc.). So it's hard for me to see how the PQ could be improved. Although for the price difference between the Dune players and the Oppo, I would certainly hope for a difference of some kind.

You mentioned the Oppo's interface. Does Oppo offer any type of interface using video jukebox software?
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post #256 of 3068
6/8/11 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by maxfli View Post

I am still working on setup tweaks to my Dune HD Base 3.0 and probably haven't found the right set-up yet. The Dune is connected through an IScan Duo to my Sim2 C3X Lite projector. I've made dramatic improvements to PQ through recent config changes to IScan Duo, but it still darker and grainier than I'd like. I haven't tried going directly from the Dune to the Sim2. That may be my next test.

Last night I streamed both Blu Ray and SD (Mkv and M2ts) through my Oppo BDP-83SE and found the PQ clearly far superior compared to the Dune and extremely close to playing the disc through the Oppo.

The interface for the Oppo is it's biggest drawback to me for both audio and video. But I can live with it until I get the Dune to equal the Oppo's PQ.

Max

How extensive are the BD-.MKV, BD-.ISO and BD-Folder streaming capabilities of the Oppo 93?
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post #257 of 3068
6/8/11 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Thanks for sharing. I don't have an Oppo so I can't comment. I would be curious though for those who have said that the Dune is basically on par with the Oppo in terms of HD content if they made any adjustments to their Dune settings or other.. I think the one thing you lose with the Dune right now that you get with the Oppo is source direct

I have both and the PQ is identical. Source direct is a non issue because I only play 1080P content from BDs. It is identical to the source. I have not used my Oppo 83 in months.
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post #258 of 3068
6/8/11 at 11:01am
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I assume when somebody says PQ is the same or different that this is all based on their own subjective viewing. I mean we don't have anybody running tests on it or anything, right?
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post #259 of 3068
6/8/11 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by agogley View Post

You mentioned the Oppo's interface. Does Oppo offer any type of interface using video jukebox software?

The Oppo interface is a folder/file structure with no ability to display cover art or meta data, or add a software management tool like zappiti or XBMC. At least that I'm aware of. It's functional but awkward and lacking.

As to PQ, my comments are subjective and only because there's an obvious difference in detail and clarity between the two. Subjectively I'd say 10 - 15 % or so in favor of the Oppo, which is better than the 30%+ difference before tweaking the IScan Duo settings.

Max
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post #260 of 3068
6/8/11 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by maxfli View Post

The Oppo interface is a folder/file structure with no ability to display cover art or meta data, or add a software management tool like zappiti or XBMC. At least that I'm aware of. It's functional but awkward and lacking.

As to PQ, my comments are subjective and only because there's an obvious difference in detail and clarity between the two. Subjectively I'd say 10 - 15 % or so in favor of the Oppo, which is better than the 30%+ difference before tweaking the IScan Duo settings.

Max

10-15% is a pretty big difference. 30% difference is huge. It makes me wonder if there isn't something else at play causing that difference.

Just to clarify, we are talking about ripped ISO images or MKV right?
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post #261 of 3068
6/8/11 at 1:40pm
For those who use DVDFab, can you layout a basic idea of how to create ISO files of the blu-ray dvds? Also, it seems like a media media players such as the Dune and similar is a popular choice for playback, is that right? Originally, I had created an m2ts file that I was going to stream to my PS3, but the playback isn't that great of quality (all choppy), so I was thinking about getting a new pc (which I need anyway) and connecting that straight to my tv, or getting a media player such as the Patriot Box Office that I can plug my 1TB external HDD to and play directly from that. Any thoughts? Thanks.
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post #262 of 3068
6/8/11 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by enron29 View Post

For those who use DVDFab, can you layout a basic idea of how to create ISO files of the blu-ray dvds? Also, it seems like a media media players such as the Dune and similar is a popular choice for playback, is that right? Originally, I had created an m2ts file that I was going to stream to my PS3, but the playback isn't that great of quality (all choppy), so I was thinking about getting a new pc (which I need anyway) and connecting that straight to my tv, or getting a media player such as the Patriot Box Office that I can plug my 1TB external HDD to and play directly from that. Any thoughts? Thanks.

Either a PC or a media player is a good option. I have several HTPCs in my house along with Dunes, PCHs, SageTV HD300s, etc... HTPCs are by far the most flexible/powerful solutions, whereas media players are not but are more "Plug and Play". An HTPC is still a PC which means you are require to upkeep, choose software/codecs,etc... Really just go with what you feel most comfortable dealing with. If you need to get a PC anyhow you may want to try that out first, and if that doesn't work for you then look towards a dedicated media player
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post #263 of 3068
6/8/11 at 1:58pm
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Either a PC or a media player is a good option. I have several HTPCs in my house along with Dunes, PCHs, SageTV HD300s, etc... HTPCs are by far the most flexible/powerful solutions, whereas media players are not but are more "Plug and Play". An HTPC is still a PC which means you are require to upkeep, choose software/codecs,etc... Really just go with what you feel most comfortable dealing with. If you need to get a PC anyhow you may want to try that out first, and if that doesn't work for you then look towards a dedicated media player

Only thing with a HTPC is that I don't know too much about computers, so I can't build one myself. And I don't know if they sell ones premade, and if they do, they're probably pretty expensive. I was looking to just get a standard PC tower for $600-700 with HDMI out and wireless networking with i5. All I know is my pc right now is slow with an intel celeron processor with 512MB or RAM.
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post #264 of 3068
6/8/11 at 2:03pm
Damian,

Is there a post somewhere that has your workflow for archiving/streaming blurays? I'm new to this and have ripped four blurays so far. I have been using anydvd hd to rip the bluray to my pc hard drive. Then I use clown bd to save just the main movie, subtitles, and hd audio tracks. Then I offload the movie from the pc to my hp mediasmart 495 server as an iso. I plan on eventually getting a Dune media player. I want to preserve the full quality of the bluray - just get rid of some of the junk to decrease the size somewhat. I want to make sure I'm preserving my movies in a way that the Dune will be able to find/use easily. I'd like to do it "right" from the beginning. I'd really appreciate your insight. Please PM me if you don't think this forum is the appropriate spot for such discussion.

-Will
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post #265 of 3068
6/8/11 at 2:05pm
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Only thing with a HTPC is that I don't know too much about computers, so I can't build one myself. And I don't know if they sell ones premade, and if they do, they're probably pretty expensive. I was looking to just get a standard PC tower for $600-700 with HDMI out and wireless networking with i5. All I know is my pc right now is slow with an intel celeron processor with 512MB or RAM.

An HTPC is just a PC connected to a TV

Pretty much any of the newer PCs out there an handle HTPC duties, and you can easily purchase or build for under $500 (possibly even as low as $300). The 3 I built I spent between $500-$700
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post #266 of 3068
6/8/11 at 2:08pm
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Damian,

Is there a post somewhere that has your workflow for archiving/streaming blurays? I'm new to this and have ripped four blurays so far. I have been using anydvd hd to rip the bluray to my pc hard drive. Then I use clown bd to save just the main movie, subtitles, and hd audio tracks. Then I offload the movie from the pc to my hp mediasmart 495 server as an iso. I plan on eventually getting a Dune media player. I want to preserve the full quality of the bluray - just get rid of some of the junk to decrease the size somewhat. I want to make sure I'm preserving my movies in a way that the Dune will be able to find/use easily. I'd like to do it "right" from the beginning. I'd really appreciate your insight. Please PM me if you don't think this forum is the appropriate spot for such discussion.

-Will

Will,

Your process is exactly what I do for BluRays One thing, you don't need to use AnyDVD first, just make sure AnyDVD is running on your PC and you can just skip right ahead to Clown_BD. Once done save to your Videos Shared folder on your EX495. Make sure each movie is in its own folder and make sure the folder is named exactly the movie. So for example if you just ripped True Grit the folder should be called "True Grit (2010)". I added the year, this isn't necessary but really ensures that when scraping you get the correct details. The dune is an excellent media player and excels better then just about any media player when it comes to playing back BluRay rips.

PM me or hit me up here if you have any other questions.
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post #267 of 3068
6/8/11 at 2:18pm
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An HTPC is just a PC connected to a TV

Pretty much any of the newer PCs out there an handle HTPC duties, and you can easily purchase or build for under $500 (possibly even as low as $300). The 3 I built I spent between $500-$700

OK, thanks. Are there any pre-made pc's out there that you would recommend in this price range? Any specific brands to stay with?
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post #268 of 3068
6/8/11 at 2:19pm
Awesome, Damian. Thanks.
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post #269 of 3068
6/8/11 at 2:30pm
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OK, thanks. Are there any pre-made pc's out there that you would recommend in this price range? Any specific brands to stay with?

Dell and HP are good brands. I would just look at something dual core (maybe core i3) or if you need more horsepower (if you plan to use your PC for encoding, commercial scanning, or other CP Intensive processes) you may want to look at a quad core core i5/core i7. There is a dedicated HTPC thread here and you can find great info on these threads:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post20543099

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post20543240
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post #270 of 3068
6/8/11 at 2:36pm
I never said the Dune yields improved sound quality. I was referring to stability and ease of use. I don't really stream audio only to my HT setup. I have a separate 2 channel system and use a W4S DAC2 for computer audio files. If I wanted to stream audio to other rooms, I would go with a dedicated device like the logitech.

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what about comparing equal files while streaming on both players? say an FLAC file? How is it that the Dune yields improved sound quality?
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