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post #2521 of 5715
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For media storage it makes no difference, and 5400-5900 RPM drives run a lot cooler and quieter.

It can make a difference. I was getting a lot of audio/video stuttering when I was running ZFS with Samsung Green drives. I switched to 7200rpm Hitachis and it reduced that quite a bit. (Then I switched away from ZFS and it got rid of it completely.)

The noise and heat are not an issue with my setup. It's not worth the increased chance of playback problems.

If you were playing non-dxva files then I could see this as being your problem as your zfs is probably being starved of clock cycles.
post #2522 of 5715
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If you were playing non-dxva files then I could see this as being your problem as your zfs is probably being starved of clock cycles.

Playback is on a Dune streamer through a relatively high-latency network from a FreeBSD file server on an Intel Atom CPU. In hindsight, ZFS on an Atom was a mistake. It's working well now, sans ZFS. Might even work well with green drives, but it's not worth the trouble to find out, so I stick with 7200 rpm.
post #2523 of 5715
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=zfs_ext4_btrfs&num=1

This is a good article that shows how bad ZFS is for a media server. ext4 and NTFS are the best choices if you're going to running multiple streams. ext4 is a little faster is read performance than NTFS but not by much. They are both significantly faster than ZFS though. If it's just you playing back to a single device then it doesn't really matter. Any mainstream file system is going to be up for that task.
post #2524 of 5715
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If you were playing non-dxva files then I could see this as being your problem as your zfs is probably being starved of clock cycles.

That's EXACTLY what I was going to say!
(actually I have no idea what the hell he is saying, but it sure sounds impressive!)
post #2525 of 5715
Thanks, I have already decided to go with the Green 2TB drives. The cost per TB is even slightly lower than the bigger drives.

Deciding now on CPU. I only plan to stream audio and video to my PCH - no transcoding, or internet streaming, or processing of any kind. Looks like a 35W Sandy Bridge will do it.

Jeff
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Thanks, I have already decided to go with the Green 2TB drives. The cost per TB is even slightly lower than the bigger drives.

Deciding now on CPU. I only plan to stream audio and video to my PCH - no transcoding, or internet streaming, or processing of any kind. Looks like a 35W Sandy Bridge will do it.

Jeff

A 35w sandy is overkill if you plan on only playing dxva files.
post #2527 of 5715
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

If you were playing non-dxva files then I could see this as being your problem as your zfs is probably being starved of clock cycles.

Playback is on a Dune streamer through a relatively high-latency network from a FreeBSD file server on an Intel Atom CPU. In hindsight, ZFS on an Atom was a mistake. It's working well now, sans ZFS. Might even work well with green drives, but it's not worth the trouble to find out, so I stick with 7200 rpm.

Atom with zfs calcs and non dxva and all other os stuff going on? Yes I'd say this is where the problem lies.
post #2528 of 5715
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

A 35w sandy is overkill if you plan on only playing dxva files.

"dxva?" Streaming BD ISO or folder structure and FLAC to a PCH will be it. The 35w part caught my eye as it was less than 95, 65 and 55. Plus it's already only $80 ... how much money would I be saving by going down the chart, and how much less power would it consume?

Thanks,
Jeff
post #2529 of 5715
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Streaming BD ISO or folder structure and FLAC to a PCH will be it. The 35w part caught my eye as it was less than 95, 65 and 55. Plus it's already only $80 ... how much money would I be saving by going down the chart, and how much less power would it consume?
Having power and speed never hurts. I just built a new media-PC around a 65W I3 ($114) and don't regret it a bit.
post #2530 of 5715
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Having power and speed never hurts. I just built a new media-PC around a 65W I3 ($114) and don't regret it a bit.

What is its duties? Just streaming? The 35w TDP is what attracted me, and it's a core i3 with at least a little snot.

Jeff
post #2531 of 5715
Arrrggghhh, those bastids raised the price of the 2TB Green from $89 to $99. And depending how you get to it, it can be $109. I'm p1ssed.
post #2532 of 5715
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There is free software that will burn in the subtitles. Burning in the subtitles requires recoding the video which will always result in a generational loss so it will never be the same as the original off the disk. All depends on how much of a purist you want to be.

I use Ripbot264 to re-encode the video when I permanently want subs. It seems to handle this better than Handbrake does. I generally try to avoid this solution at all costs because I generally hate the idea of permanently burning subs into the video.

If you have multiple devices around the house that have their own standards and issues then I would use Mezzmo as a DLNA streaming front end. It would pretty much change (or add a 2nd method to) the way you watch your media in your home, but it supports Transcoding on the Fly and sets subtitle streaming depending on the device to which you are streaming. You can also change how it handles them if you don't like the device profile's choices. It has its limitations, but also adds a ton of features as far as Playlist and library controls. I just don't know of any other non-destructive method of handling subtitles to multiple devices. Oh, and it costs $30.

Otherwise, I guess you could just go the re-encode route and have different files that are labelled for each device, i.e. Argo-Popcorn Hour, Argo WD, Argo Mede8or, etc.
post #2533 of 5715
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What is its duties? Just streaming? The 35w TDP is what attracted me, and it's a core i3 with at least a little snot.
Low power I3 is good. Just make sure your BIOS and Windows doesn't throttle the speed back.

My Media-PC is an SMB server (DVD.iso), DLNA server (BD.m2ts), TiVo server (HDTV captures), print server, runs WMC to supplement my TiVo and does Video ReDo batch processing -- that's so far, we'll see what else comes along.

The only thing I don't do with it, and never will, is use it to playback video -- it sits by itself off in the corner and is controlled remotely.
post #2534 of 5715
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I would use Mezzmo as a DLNA streaming front end.
I'm a big fan of Mezzmo. It's the only DLNA server I would recommend.
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A 35w sandy is overkill if you plan on only playing dxva files.

"dxva?" Streaming BD ISO or folder structure and FLAC to a PCH will be it. The 35w part caught my eye as it was less than 95, 65 and 55. Plus it's already only $80 ... how much money would I be saving by going down the chart, and how much less power would it consume?

Thanks,
Jeff

That all depends on the duties it will be performing. I personally use that same chip, assuming it is the i3 2120T, because I don't use dxva compatible files. The biggest attraction I had for this particular chip at the time was the lower idle power vs the atom.

BD iso is dxva compliant so you don't need very much CPU at all as the gpu will be doing the decoding. This means you could get away with using a lower tdp CPU like the atom. I'm not very familiar with amd's lineup so you could check those also.
post #2536 of 5715
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

That all depends on the duties it will be performing. I personally use that same chip, assuming it is the i3 2120T, because I don't use dxva compatible files. The biggest attraction I had for this particular chip at the time was the lower idle power vs the atom.

BD iso is dxva compliant so you don't need very much CPU at all as the gpu will be doing the decoding. This means you could get away with using a lower tdp CPU like the atom. I'm not very familiar with amd's lineup so you could check those also.

I could be misunderstanding what you mean or I am not getting my point across. My unRAID server will only stream to my Popcorn Hour.

Jeff
post #2537 of 5715
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

That all depends on the duties it will be performing. I personally use that same chip, assuming it is the i3 2120T, because I don't use dxva compatible files. The biggest attraction I had for this particular chip at the time was the lower idle power vs the atom.

BD iso is dxva compliant so you don't need very much CPU at all as the gpu will be doing the decoding. This means you could get away with using a lower tdp CPU like the atom. I'm not very familiar with amd's lineup so you could check those also.

I could be misunderstanding what you mean or I am not getting my point across. My unRAID server will only stream to my Popcorn Hour.

Jeff
oh, I'm sorry I must have skipped the part you said this box is only running unraid. I don't run software raid myself so I don't actually know how much CPU power it needs. Regardless, I think you are right in that the savings are minimal we're you to drop down to an atom CPU.
post #2538 of 5715
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

oh, I'm sorry I must have skipped the part you said this box is only running unraid. I don't run software raid myself so I don't actually know how much CPU power it needs. Regardless, I think you are right in that the savings are minimal we're you to drop down to an atom CPU.

np, and if I would wany the server to do more, the mobo would certainly accept a more powerfull CPU. And the 35w Sandy Bridge part could be moved to another PC build around the house.

I just need the 2TB WD Greens to drop back to $90.

Jeff
post #2539 of 5715
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

np, and if I would wany the server to do more, the mobo would certainly accept a more powerfull CPU. And the 35w Sandy Bridge part could be moved to another PC build around the house.

I just need the 2TB WD Greens to drop back to $90.

Jeff


http://www.amazon.com/Green-Desktop-3-5-Inch-Internal-Retail/dp/B00471EYUU/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1366057335&sr=8-6&keywords=2+tb+internal+hard+drive
post #2540 of 5715
Well, I'll be darned. I am guessing that a price drop is in the works. Newegg had them at this price for several days and then raised them - or "lessened" the discount. Thanks!

I might sit back and watch for a week or so. Plus, Amazon charges me sales tax.
post #2541 of 5715
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Well, I'll be darned. I am guessing that a price drop is in the works. Newegg had them at this price for several days and then raised them - or "lessened" the discount. Thanks!

I might sit back and watch for a week or so. Plus, Amazon charges me sales tax.
I was never able to reliably get the WD green drives to work properly due to TLER problems, but I am using hardware raid so you might have better luck.
post #2542 of 5715
Getting ready to "upgrade" from my 2TB WHSv1 and have a couple quesitons:

  • For those with unRaid storage - can I pull a drive out and read it in a normal system or can it only be read from an unRaid array?
  • For those with large systems (8+ discs) have you ever had 2 drives fail at once?
  • Anyone have experience virtualizing unRaid with ESXi. I've read a ton on doing it, but want to hear first hand if it's stable and worthwhile?

Thanks in advance.
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I am slowly moving over from my WHSv1 system (close to 40TB, mix of Seagate 2TB LP drives and WD 2TB Green drives) to Windows Server 2012E. I have 4 3TB WD Red drives set up so far, transfer speeds are much improved (seeing 70-110 Mbps). Hope to start testing streaming performance this weekend
post #2544 of 5715
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I am slowly moving over from my WHSv1 system (close to 40TB, mix of Seagate 2TB LP drives and WD 2TB Green drives) to Windows Server 2012E. I have 4 3TB WD Red drives set up so far, transfer speeds are much improved (seeing 70-110 Mbps). Hope to start testing streaming performance this weekend

To what do you attribute the increaase - the drives or Windoze? And this is strictly data transfer, right? Your streaming wasn't stuttering, was it?

I just used a Newegg discount to pick up two ICY DOCK 5 in 3 SATA Cage Modules for about $95 each. No rush here, and I expect to accumulate the parts I need as Newegg emails me specials/discounts. They do that a lot, but for stuff I don't need. I was very happy when this one appeared in my inbox.

Jeff
post #2545 of 5715
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

To what do you attribute the increaase - the drives or Windoze? And this is strictly data transfer, right? Your streaming wasn't stuttering, was it?

I just used a Newegg discount to pick up two ICY DOCK 5 in 3 SATA Cage Modules for about $95 each. No rush here, and I expect to accumulate the parts I need as Newegg emails me specials/discounts. They do that a lot, but for stuff I don't need. I was very happy when this one appeared in my inbox.

Jeff

Could be hardware and/or software related (I believe the WD Red drives perform better then the Green drives when being written to). Never had issues with streaming, but with WHSv1 I would typically get 20-40Mbps when transferring files over
post #2546 of 5715
Thanks, Damian. Can you tick off a few reasons why you are using full blown enterprise server OS as opposed to something simpler (such as unRAID)?

Jeff
post #2547 of 5715
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I just used a Newegg discount to pick up two ICY DOCK 5 in 3 SATA Cage Modules for about $95 each.
Did you read the recent reviews about this enclosure frying hard drives.
post #2548 of 5715
Kelson that thing has a big fan in it, does the fan die or something?

those reviews could be done by the people who make X brand enclosure.
post #2549 of 5715
If I want to rip movies in perfect 1-1 copies, is there any format I can use that will also play back on appletv/iphone/ipad without having to transcode/use handbrake?

Just starting out here...I don't even know if ripping BDs in surround messes with apple playback ability because all I see are file formats supporting stereo on their website.

Sorry, nood query, I realize but I was shocked to not find a good answer through googling and I don't want to have to backtrack.

thanks

James
post #2550 of 5715
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

If I want to rip movies in perfect 1-1 copies, is there any format I can use that will also play back on appletv/iphone/ipad without having to transcode/use handbrake?

Just starting out here...I don't even know if ripping BDs in surround messes with apple playback ability because all I see are file formats supporting stereo on their website.

Sorry, nood query, I realize but I was shocked to not find a good answer through googling and I don't want to have to backtrack.

thanks

James

You will need to alter the file in some manner. For example, I am not sure if iOS stuff supports HD Audio, so you may have to convert that to AAC or other. Likewise on video, you would need to go with an mp4 format, but not sure if VC1 is supported (so you would need to convert to h264).
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