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post #2641 of 5693
I suppose it depends which route - AnyDVD HD or DVDFab - was taken initially as that tends to be the path one continues on.

More correctly though, I think it is "To rip directly from disk requires AnyDVD or DVDFab." Passkey is a subset of the latter.

Jeff
post #2642 of 5693
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

More correctly though, I think it is "To rip directly from disk requires AnyDVD or DVDFab." Passkey is a subset of the latter.
No, Passkey is a separately licensed product which is their analog to Any DVD. DVD Fab is a stand-alone ripper. Having DVD Fab does not allow me to run Clown_BD to rip a main title directly from the disk.
post #2643 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

No, Passkey is a separately licensed product which is their analog to Any DVD. DVD Fab is a stand-alone ripper. Having DVD Fab does not allow me to run Clown_BD to rip a main title directly from the disk.

Ok, they blur the lines a bit. "Inside" DVDFab is Passkey or at least the code. AnyDVD is more than Passkey and less than DVDFab.

smile.gif But I don't need to 'splain it to you .....
Edited by pepar - 4/24/13 at 7:24pm
post #2644 of 5693
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Originally Posted by RaggedEdge View Post

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Originally Posted by RaggedEdge View Post

Have a ClownBD question for your guys. I usually use MakeMKV to rip my boxsets, but wanted to play around with Clown also. Game of Thrones for example, I end up with a Game of Thrones.ts and a Video_2.h264. I only need the Video_2.h264 in order to make my mkv with mkvmerge. Is there any way to not have it create the ts file?

Okay, figured it out. Uncheck Tsmuxer. Now, how do you guys batch rip your boxsets? If I put it all in the same folder, it over writes the previous rip and at the end I am left with the last files only. I have to chose a different folder for each episode with Clown? I'm guessing MakeMKV is probably the better solution for boxset rips.

Anydvd >> rip to hdd = individual files. Usually one file for each episode. I'm assuming you can then use makemkv on these files? I've never used makemkv so I'm not certain.
post #2645 of 5693
Scanning through the forum I only found an old reference to Aiseesoft BD to MKV.

A few weeks ago BitsDuJour was giving it away, so I grabbed it.

Curious if anyone else has used it, tested it, heard anything about, has any thoughts about, or ortherwise?

Since its technically only switching containers, is there any reason to think there'd be any quality loss by using it vs MakeMKV?

Thanks!
post #2646 of 5693
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

Anydvd >> rip to hdd = individual files. Usually one file for each episode. I'm assuming you can then use makemkv on these files? I've never used makemkv so I'm not certain.

There is no reason to do the AnyDVD part if you are using MakeMKV as MakeMKV can remove the encryption.
post #2647 of 5693
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

I suppose it depends which route - AnyDVD HD or DVDFab - was taken initially as that tends to be the path one continues on.

More correctly though, I think it is "To rip directly from disk requires AnyDVD or DVDFab." Passkey is a subset of the latter.

Jeff
incorrect on multiple counts
post #2648 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

incorrect on multiple counts

Who has time to be right when there are too many better things to do? rolleyes.gif
post #2649 of 5693
Is there anyway to have Clown_BD put the forced track first automatically or even mux ONLY the forced track?

Thanks

Bill
post #2650 of 5693
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Originally Posted by mrfattbill View Post

Is there anyway to have Clown_BD put the forced track first automatically or even mux ONLY the forced track?

Thanks

Bill
In my experience it has put the forced track first in the subtitle list.
post #2651 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

In my experience it has put the forced track first in the subtitle list.

This will depend on the movie's subtitle track order. Some movies will have it first others won't. You can change the order by using MergeMKV I believe, but I've never done it so I don't know if it correct or not.
post #2652 of 5693
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

This will depend on the movie's subtitle track order. Some movies will have it first others won't. You can change the order by using MergeMKV I believe, but I've never done it so I don't know if it correct or not.
When I extract the main title with Clown_BD to an .m2ts file I keep only the single English subtitle track. If that track contains forced subs, Clown_BD extracts them to a separate subtitle track and subsequently remuxes them as the first subtitle track. I put a tag in the filename so I know it contains forced subs and when I play the .m2ts on my WD Live players I select the first subtitle track for display and get the forced subs. If I want all the subtitles, I select the second subtitle track in the list. It has done this with every title I have that contains forced subs.
post #2653 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

When I extract the main title with Clown_BD to an .m2ts file I keep only the single English subtitle track. If that track contains forced subs, Clown_BD extracts them to a separate subtitle track and subsequently remuxes them as the first subtitle track. I put a tag in the filename so I know it contains forced subs and when I play the .m2ts on my WD Live players I select the first subtitle track for display and get the forced subs. If I want all the subtitles, I select the second subtitle track in the list. It has done this with every title I have that contains forced subs.

I do English and Spanish subs. Some movies have force subs first and others don't.
post #2654 of 5693
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Originally Posted by mrfattbill View Post

Is there anyway to have Clown_BD put the forced track first automatically or even mux ONLY the forced track?

You can control this if you are willing to do some hand-holding. Use ClownBD to generate a batch file, but don't run it just yet. In the batch file, there's a demux step followed by the forced sub detection and modify_meta. At that point in the flow, you can edit the meta file to add/remove/rearrange subs before running the remux step.

So you'd have to edit the batch file to comment out everything following the modify_meta step; then run the batch file; then edit the meta file; then edit the batch file to comment out the parts already run and uncomment the remaining parts; then run the batch file again.
post #2655 of 5693
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Originally Posted by ckronengold View Post

Scanning through the forum I only found an old reference to Aiseesoft BD to MKV.

A few weeks ago BitsDuJour was giving it away, so I grabbed it.

Curious if anyone else has used it, tested it, heard anything about, has any thoughts about, or ortherwise?

Since its technically only switching containers, is there any reason to think there'd be any quality loss by using it vs MakeMKV?

Thanks!
Over at MyCE we routinely delete references to it as SPAM.
post #2656 of 5693
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Originally Posted by olyteddy View Post

Over at MyCE we routinely delete references to it as SPAM.

Their Total Video Converter works well.

Bill
post #2657 of 5693
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

This will depend on the movie's subtitle track order. Some movies will have it first others won't. You can change the order by using MergeMKV I believe, but I've never done it so I don't know if it correct or not.

If you mean MKVmerge, then yes you can.
post #2658 of 5693
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Originally Posted by olyteddy View Post

Over at MyCE we routinely delete references to it as SPAM.

I think there's a lot of those "fake" software companies repackaging someone else's engine. And normally I'd be inclined to agree with you.
But since it was free, I took a stab at it.

The rips were very slightly smaller than what I get with MakeMKV, so i was curious if anyone thought it was different in quality (I know it uses a different engine) or just pure garbage.

Spam or not, I'd be curious if anyone had any actual experience with it.

That said, what about the simple extraction of video content into a new container? Should it matter much which program you use? Its not like its doing any actual video encoding.
post #2659 of 5693
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Originally Posted by ckronengold View Post

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Originally Posted by olyteddy View Post

Over at MyCE we routinely delete references to it as SPAM.

I think there's a lot of those "fake" software companies repackaging someone else's engine. And normally I'd be inclined to agree with you.
But since it was free, I took a stab at it.

The rips were very slightly smaller than what I get with MakeMKV, so i was curious if anyone thought it was different in quality (I know it uses a different engine) or just pure garbage.

Spam or not, I'd be curious if anyone had any actual experience with it.

That said, what about the simple extraction of video content into a new container? Should it matter much which program you use? Its not like its doing any actual video encoding.

Just use tsmuxer or eac3to if that's your goal.
post #2660 of 5693
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

Just use tsmuxer or eac3to if that's your goal.

But those are both 3+ years old. Thought I'd try something with a nicer GUI and more up-to-date (if it is, in fact, more up to date)

So I guess I'm still just looking for actual information about it from anyone who has used it or compared it to MakeMKV or similar, not just a suggestion to use something else.

Thanks!
post #2661 of 5693
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Originally Posted by ckronengold View Post

But those are both 3+ years old. Thought I'd try something with a nicer GUI and more up-to-date (if it is, in fact, more up to date)

So I guess I'm still just looking for actual information about it from anyone who has used it or compared it to MakeMKV or similar, not just a suggestion to use something else.

Thanks!

Huh? eac3to was just updated a few months ago and since tsmuxer uses eac3to as the backend then it's only as old as eac3to is.

As a matter of fact, most of anything that uses a GUI will still use eac3to as its core. I would not be surprised if MakeMKV also uses eac3to.

BTW, I still think that MakeMKV is "evil" and should be considered malware.
post #2662 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

Huh? eac3to was just updated a few months ago and since tsmuxer uses eac3to as the backend then it's only as old as eac3to is.

BTW, I still think that MakeMKV is "evil" and should be considered malware.

How come?

BTW, I'm just trying to learn. I don't mean to be argumentative. When I went to Videohelp.com, it said that TSmuxer was no longer being developed.
post #2663 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

Huh? eac3to was just updated a few months ago and since tsmuxer uses eac3to as the backend then it's only as old as eac3to is.

As a matter of fact, most of anything that uses a GUI will still use eac3to as its core. I would not be surprised if MakeMKV also uses eac3to.

BTW, I still think that MakeMKV is "evil" and should be considered malware.

Why would MakeMKV be considered Malware or Evil? Are you thinking of a different program?
post #2664 of 5693
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Why would MakeMKV be considered Malware or Evil? Are you thinking of a different program?

My opinions on MakeMKV are well documented here and on other forums. But the readers digest is the fact that it uses questionable code and more likely uses open sourced backend without any credit to the original source on a potential commercial product (yes, it's free now but that will change one day) and the fact that it creates absolutely sh!tty MKVs with audio synch issues & files that do not seem to be 1:1.

Stick to the core apps; eac3to & mkvmerge or at least apps that you know what method they use to produce MKVs.
post #2665 of 5693
If the app doesn't work or doesn't produce acceptable results, that is one thing, but it hardly makes it malware or ... and wtf? ... Evil. Have you looked at the code? That would be where credit would appear.

Jeff
post #2666 of 5693
How would one go about muxing the audio from one Blu-ray or DVD with the video from another Blu-ray or DVD whilst maintaining the correct time stamps?
post #2667 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

How would one go about muxing the audio from one Blu-ray or DVD with the video from another Blu-ray or DVD whilst maintaining the correct time stamps?

tsMuxeR and mkvmerge are free utilities that will both do this, if you can accept their output formats. Else there are other ways.

What is your target format?

What defines correct timestamp?

-Bill
post #2668 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

My opinions on MakeMKV are well documented here and on other forums. But the readers digest is the fact that it uses questionable code and more likely uses open sourced backend without any credit to the original source on a potential commercial product (yes, it's free now but that will change one day) and the fact that it creates absolutely sh!tty MKVs with audio synch issues & files that do not seem to be 1:1.

Stick to the core apps; eac3to & mkvmerge or at least apps that you know what method they use to produce MKVs.

Interesting, I've been playing around with ClownBD & mkvmerge the last couple of days. I ripped Game of Thrones S01E06 with Clown and used mkvmerge to create the mkv. The file size ended up being identical to the one that I got using MakeMKV. I have ripped countless boxsets with MakeMKV and have never had a "sh!tty" result. Not once have I experienced audio sync issues. As for the 1:1, I only have the one file I described earlier and it was identical. I don't mind using Clown and mkvmerge, but it is definitely more time consuming than using MakeMKV.
post #2669 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

How would one go about muxing the audio from one Blu-ray or DVD with the video from another Blu-ray or DVD whilst maintaining the correct time stamps?

What are you trying to do? Can you give an example?
post #2670 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

My opinions on MakeMKV are well documented here and on other forums. But the readers digest is the fact that it uses questionable code and more likely uses open sourced backend without any credit to the original source on a potential commercial product (yes, it's free now but that will change one day) and the fact that it creates absolutely sh!tty MKVs with audio synch issues & files that do not seem to be 1:1.

Stick to the core apps; eac3to & mkvmerge or at least apps that you know what method they use to produce MKVs.

What a load of crap. If it produced such bad output why is it recommended so freely? You then advise to use the same back end that makeMKV does. All things being equal, both results would be 'sh!tty' rolleyes.gif
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