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post #3241 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I was not arguing, just making a statement as to the distribution in my collection. From the very link you provided, 15% of the titles are True-HD so no-one is denying they exist, but they are a minor fraction of the overall titles. As to how many one has in their collection, well that is entirely a function of ones tastes so it is very easy to understand that most people have a minor number of True-HD titles in their collection. Personally I like True-HD because my WD Lives all bitstream True-HD but not DTS-HD.

No problem getting DTS-HD from content on my wdtv live hubs - I just use the htpc to access the hub rips over the network and playback thru the pc -> receiver -> TV. Dolby Digital + with Vudu is very good audio - good dynamic range for streaming surround sound.
post #3242 of 5693
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Originally Posted by itznfb View Post

It typically only has that when there are out of order playlists mixed in. What does Chronicle look like when you load it up in MakeMKV?

Dunno, I've never used MakeMKV. I think I have it and will have a fiddle with it tomorrow.

I don't think I have Hunger Games; any suggestions for titles that have out of order playlists?
post #3243 of 5693
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Originally Posted by myoda View Post

getting DTS-HD from content on my wdtv live hubs - I just use the htpc to access the hub rips over the network and playback thru the pc -> receiver -> TV. Dolby Digital + with Vudu is very good audio - good dynamic range for streaming surround sound.

You aren't actually using the hub as anything more than a file server if I'm following that correctly.

Bill
post #3244 of 5693
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Dunno, I've never used MakeMKV. I think I have it and will have a fiddle with it tomorrow.

I don't think I have Hunger Games; any suggestions for titles that have out of order playlists?

Cabin in the Woods or Warrior?

Bill
post #3245 of 5693
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Dunno, I've never used MakeMKV. I think I have it and will have a fiddle with it tomorrow.

I don't think I have Hunger Games; any suggestions for titles that have out of order playlists?

I think a lot of Lionsgate releases use some form of this protection.
post #3246 of 5693
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Originally Posted by itznfb View Post

I think a lot of Lionsgate releases use some form of this protection.

Might have something from Lionsgate. No Cabin or Warrior though. Will check tomorrow. Thanks.

Jeff
post #3247 of 5693
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Dunno, I've never used MakeMKV. I think I have it and will have a fiddle with it tomorrow.

I don't think I have Hunger Games; any suggestions for titles that have out of order playlists?
Breaking dawn part 1
Cloud atlas
Dredd
A good day to die hard
Identity thief
The Incredible Hulk
Iron man 2
The last stand
Man with the iron fists
Taken 2
Prince of Persia

If you need more I can list them.
post #3248 of 5693
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

Breaking dawn part 1
Cloud atlas
Dredd
A good day to die hard
Identity thief
The Incredible Hulk
Iron man 2
The last stand
Man with the iron fists
Taken 2
Prince of Persia

If you need more I can list them.

Thanks, got some of those. Amazingly enough, no Lionsgate though.

Jeff
post #3249 of 5693
Yeah I only have 5 or 6 titles that are protected like that but Hunger Games is always the only one I can remember because it was the first one I ran into and it was pretty frustrating at first.
post #3250 of 5693
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Thanks, got some of those. Amazingly enough, no Lionsgate though.

Jeff

Also Expendables 2.
post #3251 of 5693
Hi please excuse me if I use this post, I like to get a informations about the quality of Blu ray ripping process.

I' am an audiofile but I don't have too much experience about blu ray and relative limits.

Yesterday I have purchased the Marantz UD5005 blu ray player and I'am very sodisfate.

The player have a USB front port and can be used with an external hardisk.

I like to purchase a 4-8 TB nas and store all my blu ray collection and connect it to the USB front port of my Marantz UD5005.

But I don' t sure if when I rip my Blu ray disks collections I will lose the quality.

For audio I was used EAC (Exact audio copy) and I'am sure about the result is near the perfection (is very similar to copy and paste).

About the blu ray I see different compromise, the audio and video is always compressed and I don't know when I rip to Harkisk I add other compression ... in this case I like to see the film on traditional disk.

Can someone please explain what I lose when I rip a blu ray ?

My blu ray on USB support these files format:

//
MPEG(.mpg/.mpeg/.mp4/.ts/.m2t)
Video: MPEG1, MPEG2, MPEG4
Audio: MP3, AAC, WMA, AC-3

WMV(.wmv)
Video: WMV9, WMV9AP (VC-1)
Audio: WMA, AAC, AC-3, DTS

AVI(.avi)
Video: MPEG1, MPEG2, MPEG4
Audio: PCM, MP3, AAC, AC-3
//

can someone please tell me when I rip a blu ray there is a software to do an EXACT copy without lose quality ?

I don't sure if this is the right place to post my question, if no please excuse me for this ...
post #3252 of 5693
^^ See Post #1 in this thread.
post #3253 of 5693
Hi Gary,

Thank you for your reply smile.gif

I was read at his page:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1336046/ripping-blu-rays-ii

but I not found a response about my specific question.

Probably you mean another page.
post #3254 of 5693
Yes you will find several links in that post that lead to more detail. You will also find much in this thread by using the Search This Thread function.
post #3255 of 5693
Hi Gary,

Thank you for your informations, but frankly I hope in to a direct response from some expert.

This is the reason why I have ask my question here.
post #3256 of 5693
DVDFab is an all-in-one solution: http://www.dvdfab.com/

It is the perhaps the most simple way to start.

-Bill
post #3257 of 5693
@ alex567 - Honestly if you are looking to play back lossless BD rips then using your Marantz UD5005 blu ray player is a horrible option. First off, you will have to deal with Cinavia which will break playback on any movies you may have that are protected.

Secondly, and as you can see from what you posted, the supported A/V formats are limited, so you will most likely need to encode your files in order for playback (this still won't get you around Cinavia though), which will alter the A/V quality
post #3258 of 5693
before choice the software that is important ,I like to know about the quality of 'blu ray ripping' process and eventual conversion that I hope there it not.

for example I I have input 23.646 MB the output is exactly the some (23.646 MB) ?

I don't sure, for this reason I like to know if there are some limits that can cause difference between original and destination and what are.

for CD audio ripping process there is not any difference (it is a bit to bit copy).
post #3259 of 5693
Hi Damian,

Please confirm if i have understand:

You think that if I rip a blu ray on disk I lose the quality and I have not the exact identical result ?

Only this I like to know, not other ...
post #3260 of 5693
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Originally Posted by alex567 View Post

Hi Damian,

Please confirm if i have understand:

You think that if I rip a blu ray on disk I lose the quality and I have not the exact identical result ?

Only this I like to know, not other ...

No, that is not what I am saying. There are many ways to rip a disk. You can rip it as a perfect 1:1 copy (so no loss, this is what I do). You can also rip it into another format (which may involve encoding, which if it does means there will be A/V loss, the extent of which will be based on the settings used). I don't believe your Marantz will play back a 1:1 Blu ray disc in its native format which is why you would most likely need to re encode into one of those supported formats you posted.
post #3261 of 5693
Hi Damian,

You are certanly an expert and I'am very happy to speak with you !!!

I understand only about audio CD lossless format (WAV and FLAC) other blu ray video and audio format I don't know about their limits.

When I use EAC (Exact Audio Copy) I get the exact result of CD audio (I have compared different time, no difference).

Now, I like to known if I can do the some with the film, but only without compromise as I was do with my CD collections.

Do you suggest me to do it ? Or in my case I lose the quality ?
post #3262 of 5693
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Originally Posted by alex567 View Post

Hi Damian,

You are certanly an expert and I'am very happy to speak with you !!!

I understand only about audio CD lossless format (WAV and FLAC) other blu ray video and audio format I don't know about their limits.

When I use EAC (Exact Audio Copy) I get the exact result of CD audio (I have compared different time, no difference).

Now, I like to known if I can do the some with the film, but only without compromise as I was do with my CD collections.

Do you suggest me to do it ? Or in my case I lose the quality ?

If you use a tool (software) like AnyDVD, DVDFab, or MakeMKV you will get a 1:1 copy of your Blu Ray disc (so same concept as when you use EAC to get an exact Audio copy of your CDs).
post #3263 of 5693
Please exlain me an concept that is the reason why I have posted this question:

Here there are the files supported by my blu ray Marantz UD5005

//
MPEG(.mpg/.mpeg/.mp4/.ts/.m2t)
Video: MPEG1, MPEG2, MPEG4
Audio: MP3, AAC, WMA, AC-3

WMV(.wmv)
Video: WMV9, WMV9AP (VC-1)
Audio: WMA, AAC, AC-3, DTS

AVI(.avi)
Video: MPEG1, MPEG2, MPEG4
Audio: PCM, MP3, AAC, AC-3
//

If I have a film with audio in Dolby True HD or PCM that are all lossless format), how can expect the some quality if all these audio codec are Lossy ? (apart PCM)

a firm in Dolby True HD how I need to rip and don't lose nothing ( MPEG, WMV , AVI ) ?

Please let me know I'am curious ....
post #3264 of 5693
@alex567, if you want to use your Marantz Blu-ray player as a USB playback device then you will not be able to play back exact copy Blu-ray discs. You will have to rip the file to your computer and re-encode it to mp4. You will lose any HD audio and depending on your encoding settings you will lose picture quality as well. If the exact copy is really important to you I suggest you get a different device to playback your videos or just use the disc.
post #3265 of 5693
As itznfb mentioned above and I stated, you can't use your Marantz player for lossless playback of your ripped Blu rays
post #3266 of 5693
OK , now it is all clear.

Only for my curiosity:

What audio format must support another device USB to read the audio in lossless format ?

There is the possibility that my blu ray player on disks with Dolby True HD, PCM , DTS AUDIO MASTER 'read' the information but in output there is a compressed audio becouse it don't support lossless audio ?

If this is true is not a good surprice for me ...
post #3267 of 5693
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Originally Posted by alex567 View Post

OK , now it is all clear.

Only for my curiosity:

What audio format must support another device USB to read the audio in lossless format ?

There is the possibility that my blu ray player on disks with Dolby True HD, PCM , DTS AUDIO MASTER 'read' the information but in output there is a compressed audio becouse it don't support lossless audio ?

If this is true is not a good surprice for me ...

It is highly unlikely that your Blu ray player does not support the lossless audio.It just comes down to the audio settings you set in the blu ray player (depending on whether you connect direct to a TV, to a receiver, etc...)

I don't understand your USB question, audio support has nothing to d with USB, it has to do with the device you are using to play back y our media (in your case this would be your Marantz)
post #3268 of 5693
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Originally Posted by alex567 View Post

OK , now it is all clear.

Only for my curiosity:

What audio format must support another device USB to read the audio in lossless format ?

There is the possibility that my blu ray player on disks with Dolby True HD, PCM , DTS AUDIO MASTER 'read' the information but in output there is a compressed audio becouse it don't support lossless audio ?

If this is true is not a good surprice for me ...
It does not appear that your player DECODES any hi definition audio from a disc, and according to the specs you listed, it does not support Dolby True HD, PCM , DTS AUDIO MASTER through USB.

Therefore, if you want lossless audio, you will need to set your BD player to BITSTREAM to a compatible AVR that can decode lossless audio.

In regard to ripping - if you want lossless audio, you can use any of the tools mentioned above, such as AnyDVD to capture the TrueHD or DTS MA tracks.
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post #3270 of 5693
Just use yo BD player for disc playback and get a media player to play back the ripped content. It will certainly be a better overall experience than trying to deal with the limitations of a disc based player with ripped media.
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