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post #3601 of 5693
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Hey all, I tried using MKVMerge to merge a mts2 file with an existing MKV--while the final file did what I wanted with the Video (place the IMAX trailer in front of a ripped movie), the trailer audio was lost in the merge and the movie audio was shifted forward to the start of the trailer.  Very strange.  Is there something special that must be changed in settings before merging two files in order to combine files seamlessly?  Any help would be most appreciated.
You are sure both the m2ts and mkv files are good on their own? That is to say, you can play both separately and they play fine? Cause it kinda sounds like the video is appending but the audio is not.

Also, in mkvmerge, make sure the correct audio channel under "tracks and chapters" is selected for each of your files. Sometimes one might be deselected.
post #3602 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Megalith View Post

Anyone have a guide to making 1:1 .mkv files with lossless audio?
i don't normally do this so I might be adding an extra step that isn't necessary.
1. Rip disc with anydvd
2. Use eac3to to rip the wanted tracks off your anydvd ripped file and have it mux to mkv.
3. Have a beer.
post #3603 of 5693
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

i don't normally do this so I might be adding an extra step that isn't necessary.
1. Rip disc with anydvd
2. Use eac3to to rip the wanted tracks off your anydvd ripped file and have it mux to mkv.
3. Have a beer.

I use ClownBD + AnyDVD HD for encryption removal. I rip the movie to folder BD folder structure with HD and AC3 sound tracks, and subs. There after, I use MKVMerge GUI, and I use the MPLS files to rip the movie to MKV. The MPLS file has the same information as the M2TS file, but you have to option to get the chapters.
post #3604 of 5693
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

I use ClownBD + AnyDVD HD for encryption removal. I rip the movie to folder BD folder structure with HD and AC3 sound tracks, and subs. There after, I use MKVMerge GUI, and I use the MPLS files to rip the movie to MKV. The MPLS file has the same information as the M2TS file, but you have to option to get the chapters.
My media player uses skip steps so I don't need chapter info. smile.gif
post #3605 of 5693
Just a little technical point, ripping is the process of getting the data off of the disc and all other processes done on/to that data after ripping is conversion.

Jeff
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post #3607 of 5693
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

My media player uses skip steps so I don't need chapter info. smile.gif
Then there is no reason for you to do the extra processing to repackage as MKV. Leave it as the native .m2ts file.
Use Clown_BD to rip the main title with your desired audio and subtitle streams to BDMV folder structure. Go into the BDMV\STREAMS folder and rename the single 0000.m2ts file that Clown creates to the movie's title name.
Done.
I've ripped my entire library that way. All are title_name.m2ts. Have never touched MKV. Have never had a single .m2ts playback issue.
post #3608 of 5693
I suppose one's media player(s) determine what format or formats are the destination. The ripping process, I think, natively generates folder structure? I used to output ISO and then realized I could "stop" at folder structure and save time. My PCH reads a multitude of formats, including folder structure, so why would I go past that point and pack that stuff into a container?

I think I began ripping to ISO because I had some thoughts floating around in my head that I needed ISO in case I wanted to re-burn the disc. Thinking that through further, I decided that if for some reason I would want to re-burn a title, I'd probably want to copy the entire disc so my main movie/lossless audio ISOs were useless and a waste of time. Anyway, that was my journey and others will likely have their own.

Jeff
Edited by pepar - 7/22/13 at 6:50am
post #3609 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Then there is no reason for you to do the extra processing to repackage as MKV. Leave it as the native .m2ts file.
Use Clown_BD to rip the main title with your desired audio and subtitle streams to BDMV folder structure. Go into the BDMV\STREAMS folder and rename the single 0000.m2ts file that Clown creates to the movie's title name.
Done.
I've ripped my entire library that way. All are title_name.m2ts. Have never touched MKV. Have never had a single .m2ts playback issue.

If the folder is named according to the recommended format, what is gained be re-naming the MT2S?

Jeff
Edited by pepar - 7/22/13 at 6:51am
post #3610 of 5693
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

I suppose one's media player(s) determine what format or formats are the destination.
This is probably the most key and most overlooked aspect -- I have commented on this many times. So many people come here asking what is the best format to rip to without having an idea of what their media playback environment will look like.
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

If the folder is named according to the recommended format, what is gained be naming the MT2S?
Many media players (including mine) play files not folders. I delete the folder structure as soon as I pull the .m2ts file out and send it to the server. A folder structure on disk would just present an obstacle course to drill through to get to the title.
post #3611 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

This is probably the most key and most overlooked aspect -- I have commented on this many times. So many people come here asking what is the best format to rip to without having an idea of what their media playback environment will look like.
Many media players (including mine) play files not folders. I delete the folder structure as soon as I pull the .m2ts file out and send it to the server. A folder structure on disk would just present an obstacle course to drill through to get to the title.

Light bulb has just appeared above my head ...

Sooo, there's nothing in the folders my PCH needs ... except for the .mt2s file? The audio and, if present, sub titles are IN the .mt2s? Where is chaptering info stored, also "in* the .mt2s?

The .mt2s would be something like Sucker Punch (2011).mt2s?

Jeff
post #3612 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Then there is no reason for you to do the extra processing to repackage as MKV. Leave it as the native .m2ts file.
Use Clown_BD to rip the main title with your desired audio and subtitle streams to BDMV folder structure. Go into the BDMV\STREAMS folder and rename the single 0000.m2ts file that Clown creates to the movie's title name.
Done.
I've ripped my entire library that way. All are title_name.m2ts. Have never touched MKV. Have never had a single .m2ts playback issue.
Umm, I compress my vids smile.gif this post was a reply to a reply about an mkv guide.
post #3613 of 5693
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Light bulb has just appeared above my head ...

Sooo, there's nothing in the folders my PCH needs ... except for the .mt2s file? The audio and, if present, sub titles are IN the .mt2s? Where is chaptering info stored, also "in* the .mt2s?

The .mt2s would be something like Sucker Punch (2011).mt2s?

Jeff
Correct. All you need is the .m2ts. I would still remux it though to rip out the unwanted tracks. I think someone said chapter info is in the .mpls file. I really am not sure because I've never needed chapter info.
post #3614 of 5693
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Light bulb has just appeared above my head ...

Sooo, there's nothing in the folders my PCH needs ... except for the .mt2s file? The audio and, if present, sub titles are IN the .mt2s? Where is chaptering info stored, also "in* the .mt2s?

The .mt2s would be something like Sucker Punch (2011).mt2s?

Jeff
.m2ts contains video/audio/subtitles. Chapter info is a part of the playlist.mpls. When you play a folder with your PCH, what does it play? If it doesn't process the playlist and just plays the largest .m2ts file, like most players, then you need nothing other than the title_name.m2ts file. If the PCH does give you chapter skip, then it is processing the playlist. To go to .m2ts only would lose chapter skip capability -- if that is important to you.

You can name the .m2ts what ever you want. If you scrape for movie info then I guess it has to have some standard format. I display my titles as lists and name them as:
title_name (runtime) xx Mbps (fs/nfs).m2ts
fs = contains forced subs as track #1
nfs = no forced subs
post #3615 of 5693
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

Correct. All you need is the .m2ts. I would still remux it though to rip out the unwanted tracks. I think someone said chapter info is in the .mpls file. I really am not sure because I've never needed chapter info.

Correct. If you use ClownBD to rip to Folder Structure you will find the .mpls file within BDMV / PLALIST / 0000.mpls. That file has the all the information sound, subs, and chapters.

So, if you want to have chapters like I do, use MKVMerger and remuxe the mpls file.
post #3616 of 5693
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

i don't normally do this so I might be adding an extra step that isn't necessary.
1. Rip disc with anydvd
2. Use eac3to to rip the wanted tracks off your anydvd ripped file and have it mux to mkv.
3. Have a beer.


Thanks for the links. Looks simple enough.

Does anyone know why some people are cropping the black bars out of their rips? Is it actually reducing the size of the rips? I can't think of any other reason to do so.
post #3617 of 5693
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Light bulb has just appeared above my head ...

Sooo, there's nothing in the folders my PCH needs ... except for the .mt2s file? The audio and, if present, sub titles are IN the .mt2s? Where is chaptering info stored, also "in* the .mt2s?

The .mt2s would be something like Sucker Punch (2011).mt2s?

Jeff

As others have said that's all you need to do. I use ANYDVDHD to remove the CSS protection and then use ToNMT to rip just the movie and any audio tracks I want to a .ts file (though I could chose .mt2s if I wanted to). Works great and play fine on my PCHA110 and A400.
post #3618 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

.m2ts contains video/audio/subtitles. Chapter info is a part of the playlist.mpls. When you play a folder with your PCH, what does it play? If it doesn't process the playlist and just plays the largest .m2ts file, like most players, then you need nothing other than the title_name.m2ts file. If the PCH does give you chapter skip, then it is processing the playlist. To go to .m2ts only would lose chapter skip capability -- if that is important to you.

You can name the .m2ts what ever you want. If you scrape for movie info then I guess it has to have some standard format. I display my titles as lists and name them as:
title_name (runtime) xx Mbps (fs/nfs).m2ts
fs = contains forced subs as track #1
nfs = no forced subs

YAMJ scans the named folders and assumes the 0000.mt2s file found there is the movie. However, I just looked and evidently I had already done the renaming a la "Sucker Punch Extended Cut (2011).mt2s" convention.

I just realized that I still need folders to hold the art and NFO scraped by Ember Media Manager. I only have a dozen or so movies ripped until I establish the workflow, so I can easily try having the movie folder with only the .mt2s and EMM-generated files.
post #3619 of 5693
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Correct. If you use ClownBD to rip to Folder Structure you will find the .mpls file within BDMV / PLALIST / 0000.mpls. That file has the all the information sound, subs, and chapters.

So, if you want to have chapters like I do, use MKVMerger and remuxe the mpls file.

Is there a way to output rips just as a .mt2s and avoid all that folder nonsense? What would checking this get me?

post #3620 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Megalith View Post


Thanks for the links. Looks simple enough.

Does anyone know why some people are cropping the black bars out of their rips? Is it actually reducing the size of the rips? I can't think of any other reason to do so.

HandBrake does it by default. I haven't tested with and without, but I doubt if there is much savings. Black bars should compress well, or so I suppose.

-Bill
post #3621 of 5693
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Is there a way to output rips just as a .mt2s and avoid all that folder nonsense? What would checking this get me?

Further on in Clown_BD when you get to the last screen before it runs, you can click a radio button for M2TS file output.

If you have only the .m2ts file and at some point you decide you want the full BDMV folder structure it is easy to do with TSMuxer. You feed TSMuxer the .m2ts file and ask it to generate a BD folder structure. It will give you default 5 min chapter points.
post #3622 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Further on in Clown_BD when you get to the last screen before it runs, you can click a radio button for M2TS file output.

If you have only the .m2ts file and at some point you decide you want the full BDMV folder structure it is easy to do with TSMuxer. You feed TSMuxer the .m2ts file and ask it to generate a BD folder structure. It will give you default 5 min chapter points.

Ahh yes, "Step 3!" Got it.

New question - subtitles ... is there a resource somewhere that will tell me whether I need to check a subtitle box? Or is there another setting somewhere that will include the forced subs, i.e. english when someone is speaking non-English?

Jeff
post #3623 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Megalith View Post


Thanks for the links. Looks simple enough.

Does anyone know why some people are cropping the black bars out of their rips? Is it actually reducing the size of the rips? I can't think of any other reason to do so.
You crop when you compress because you are wasting bits that could be going to the video when you try to compress the black borders. You don't need to keep the black borders because your player will add them a anyway.
post #3624 of 5693
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

YAMJ scans the named folders and assumes the 0000.mt2s file found there is the movie. However, I just looked and evidently I had already done the renaming a la "Sucker Punch Extended Cut (2011).mt2s" convention.

I just realized that I still need folders to hold the art and NFO scraped by Ember Media Manager. I only have a dozen or so movies ripped until I establish the workflow, so I can easily try having the movie folder with only the .mt2s and EMM-generated files.
You should always include the date of the movie you are ripping as part of your naming scheme. Easier yet, just copy what imdb says the title is including the date as most look ups use imdb as reference.
post #3625 of 5693
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

You should always include the date of the movie you are ripping as part of your naming scheme. Easier yet, just copy what imdb says the title is including the date as most look ups use imdb as reference.

Ah do! And I get it from Blu-ray.com or IMDB. Ctrl-C ... Ctrl-V

Jeff
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

New question - subtitles ... is there a resource somewhere that will tell me whether I need to check a subtitle box? Or is there another setting somewhere that will include the forced subs, i.e. english when someone is speaking non-English?

My response is confined to native BD.m2ts files and Clown_BD.
Forced BD subtitles have been a bugaboo for as long as I have been using media players -- it's amazing how often it comes up on various threads as if it were a new issue all over again. Very few media players handle forced subs properly or reliably in an automatic fashion from any container. I have always used WD Live players which fit into that category and require human intervention for BD forced subs so this is how I have approached it and have been very satisfied. Of course, this is my personal workflow -- others won't like it a bit but it serves as an example that could be adapted, modified or ignored as the case may be.

I have found two types of forced subs -- forced subs that are contained within the full subtitle track and forced subs that are contained in a track of their own (less common). In the extraction (demux) phase, Clown_BD will identify and extract forced subs and create a separate subtitle track for them in the demux folder -- they are easily identified because they have "forced" in the filename. If you do not see a new subtitle track with "forced" in the filename then the title does not have forced subs and there is nothing further to worry about. In the case where you have the forced subs embedded in the main subtitle track, you will end up with two sub tracks -- the original main subtitle track and a second "forced" subtitle track containing only the forced subs. In the second phase (remux) Clown_BD will remux the forced subtitle track first and the main subtitle track second so when you play the title you only need to tell your player to play the first subtitle track for you to view the forced subs.

When the forced subs are contained in their own track to start with, that is a bit of a pain. During the demux phase, Clown_BD will still create a forced subtitle track which is now a duplicate of the original forced sub track. So now you have 3 sub tracks -- the full sub track, the original forced sub track and the new duplicate "forced" sub track. I have not found a way to turn off the Clown_BD function and not create a second forced sub track. The remux phase will still locate the forced sub track first in line but now things get confusing if you are looking to select the full sub track. I have not found a way to edit the command script to leave out one of the forced sub tracks during remux phase. The only solution I have is to remux the final BD.m2ts file with TSMuxer and leave out the extra forced sub track.

Refer to the screen shot of Clown_BD you posted above. There is a check-box labeled "Force Subtitles". This is a three-state checkbox. Unchecked does nothing. Checked sets a flag to "force" playback of the first subtitle track. Grayed only sets the flag if the first subtitle track is a forced sub track. I leave that check-box grayed all the time. If your media player understands that flag and can act on it then presumably it will automatically play your forced subs without your intervention. Currently the WD Live doesn't do anything with that flag but who knows what a future firmware update may hold.

Caveat 1: Many titles have multiple English sub tracks for director comments or hearing impaired viewers, so how to identify which one. It's actually straight forward, just requires some time. I do a "pre-rip" with Clown_BD in which I just run the demux phase and only select all the English subtitle tracks. I then use SUPRIP to view all the tracks in the demux folder. It's pretty easy to pick out the main subtitle track from the group. If that main sub track also has embedded forced subs, a "forced" sub track is generated which quickly narrows down the list. Once I have identified the stream number of the main subtitle track I rerun Clown_BD and do the full extraction selecting only the above identified subtitle track. Yes, I know, extra steps -- but it works perfectly and reliably.

Caveat 2: I have run across 1 or 2 titles which had forced subs in their own subtitle track but were not identified by Clown_BD as being forced subs -- so Clown_BD did not make a duplicate "forced" sub track. Here you run the danger of not knowing there is a forced sub track that needs to be included in the extraction if you only depend on Clown_BD for their identification.. The solution here for me is SUPRIP. SUPRIP has a check-box that will only display subtitles marked as forced. It has never failed to identify a forced subtitle track, so even though Clown_BD failed to identify the separate forced subtitle track of those couple titles, SUPRIP did and I was able to include it in the main title extraction.
post #3627 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

When the forced subs are contained in their own track to start with, that is a bit of a pain. During the demux phase, Clown_BD will still create a forced subtitle track which is now a duplicate of the original forced sub track. So now you have 3 sub tracks -- the full sub track, the original forced sub track and the new duplicate "forced" sub track. I have not found a way to turn off the Clown_BD function and not create a second forced sub track. The remux phase will still locate the forced sub track first in line but now things get confusing if you are looking to select the full sub track. I have not found a way to edit the command script to leave out one of the forced sub tracks during remux phase. The only solution I have is to remux the final BD.m2ts file with TSMuxer and leave out the extra forced sub track.

When I run ClownBD, I always check the 'Batch' box so it generates a *.bat file. Then I edit this batch file and add a `pause` line after the Modify_Meta step.

When it reaches this pause, I analyze the extracted subs with BDSup2Sub. I can then edit the *.meta file (in the demux directory) to add/remove sub tracks as needed. Then go back to the window where the batch file is running and hit enter to continue.

No need to "pre-rip" subs, and no need to manually remux with TSMuxer.
post #3628 of 5693
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Originally Posted by ScottJ View Post

When I run ClownBD, I always check the 'Batch' box so it generates a *.bat file. Then I edit this batch file and add a `pause` line after the Modify_Meta step.

When it reaches this pause, I analyze the extracted subs with BDSup2Sub. I can then edit the *.meta file (in the demux directory) to add/remove sub tracks as needed. Then go back to the window where the batch file is running and hit enter to continue.

No need to "pre-rip" subs, and no need to manually remux with TSMuxer.
Thanks, I'll take a look into that. Never looked into the .meta file.
post #3629 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

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Originally Posted by ScottJ View Post

When I run ClownBD, I always check the 'Batch' box so it generates a *.bat file. Then I edit this batch file and add a `pause` line after the Modify_Meta step.

When it reaches this pause, I analyze the extracted subs with BDSup2Sub. I can then edit the *.meta file (in the demux directory) to add/remove sub tracks as needed. Then go back to the window where the batch file is running and hit enter to continue.

No need to "pre-rip" subs, and no need to manually remux with TSMuxer.
Thanks, I'll take a look into that. Never looked into the .meta file.
What a great tip. Checked it out and that is exactly what I had been looking for.
thanks
post #3630 of 5693
Just thought I'd say how I do it ;o)

I use Windows MCE on Windows 7 as my main viewing platform
Through this I watch and record TV, and using "Media Browser" plugin access media files on my NAS. I've categorised them into TV shows, DVD's, BluRay's, and Movies

I use AnyDVD HD to RIP bluray disc to Hard drive purely for speed of second step

I then use DVDFab BluRay ripper on the main movie only
using the following settings
  • 2-pass
  • Video M2TS container using h264 - 0.22 bits/pixel at highest resolution (roughly 7-9GB)
  • Audio AC3 640kbps

M2TS is a just a container, same as whats on the Bluray disc. its the h264 encoding and ac3 thats the important bits for compatibility with players
As for why did I use these encoding formats rather than others, no real reason other than it worked and I could play it my other devices e.g. Apple TV2, iPad etc.

For DVD's I just rip the whole disc with AnyDVD HD and leave it alone

Cheers
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